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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:20:15 +1000, "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net wrote: Thanks for the articles. Two or three years ago, I mentioned to the doc. that I had at that time, that I felt like the fibromyalgia I had was a result of  the HCV.  My

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became very irate.  I think he was tired of me having opinions about my care.  He pretty much raised his voice and stated their was absolutely no relationship between fibromyalgia and HCV and that it was totally two different distinct diseases. I was right according to this, and the last doc. I had was up-to-date

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to agree with me. Susie Despite all their years of school, internship, residency and experience doctors hardly know it all but perhaps they forget that sometimes.  They’re wrong all the time.  I remember going to an opthamologist many years back for inflamed eyes who looked at me for approx 1 minute and without asking me any questions diagnosed me with conjunctivitis and prescribed medication to treat it.  The medication was no help.  I then went to an optometrist who asked me some questions about my contacts and found I was using a thimerosol based cleaning solution which some patients developed an allergy to.  He switched me off that and problem solved.  I think of the doctor who discovered not too long ago that peptic ulcers were caused by bacteria and not what was commonly believed and how he was attacked by so many learned medical scholars.   Too bad their medical knowledge was dwarfed by their grossly inflated egos.  Your doctor sounds like a buffon and I think you did well to get rid of him.

I didn’t have a whole lot of choices on docs  at the time, still don’t since mine just left here..  At least the first doc.  was someone I could battle and get him educated on some things.  That episode was pretty frustrating though. Susie —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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wrote: Thanks for the articles. Two or three years ago, I mentioned to the doc. that I had at that time, that I felt like the fibromyalgia I had was a result of  the HCV.  My doc. became very irate.  I think he was tired of me having opinions about my care.  He pretty much raised his voice and stated their was absolutely no relationship between fibromyalgia and HCV and that it was totally two different distinct diseases. I was right according to this, and the last doc. I had was up-to-date enough to agree with me. Susie

Despite all their years of school, internship, residency and experience doctors hardly know it all but perhaps they forget that sometimes.  They’re wrong all the time.  I remember going to an opthamologist many years back for inflamed eyes who looked at me for approx 1 minute and without asking me any questions diagnosed me with conjunctivitis and prescribed medication to treat it.  The medication was no help.  I then went to an optometrist who asked me some questions about my contacts and found I was using a thimerosol based cleaning solution which some patients developed an allergy to.  He switched me off that and problem solved.  I think of the doctor who discovered not too long ago that peptic ulcers were caused by bacteria and not what was commonly believed and how he was attacked by so many learned medical scholars.   Too bad their medical knowledge was dwarfed by their grossly inflated egos.  Your doctor sounds like a buffon and I think you did well to get rid of him.  

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Russ: Just hearing that you have an abundance of energy almost makes me want to try treatment.. Fatigue has been my nemesis with this sickness for years..even to the point of not being able to work. Paul2 "Russ" <NOSPAMsourd…@yahoo.com

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fatigue was the number one reason I did treatment. It’s been over two

months > post tx, man my energy is right up there with the moon!! > A good buddy of mine started seeing the doc a while back, complaining of > fatigue. He was later dx’ed with HepC… > — > Russ > Remove "NOSPAM" for replies. > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net

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> > news:ec181702.0408090753.4953e8f6@posting.google.com… > > > Fatigue in patients with chronic hepatitis C. > > > Poynard T, Cacoub P, Ratziu V, Myers RP, Dezailles MH, Mercadier A, > > > Ghillani P, Charlotte F, Piette JC, Moussalli J; Multivirc group. > > > Departments of Hepatogastroenterology, Hopital La Pitie-Salpetriere, > > > Paris, France. tpoyn…@teaser.fr > > > In numerous studies of symptoms in patients with chronic hepatitis C > > > there has been no systematic assessment of both fatigue and > > > extrahepatic manifestations. Our objective was to assess the > > > prevalence of fatigue in patients with hepatitis C virus (HCV) > > > infection, and to identify associations between fatigue and clinical > > > and biological hepatic and extrahepatic manifestations. We studied > > > 1614 patients. Data were prospectively recorded during the first visit > > > of patients infected with HCV and the prevalence of fatigue and its > > > association with dermatological, rheumatological, neurological and > > > nephrological manifestations; diabetes; arterial hypertension; > > > auto-antibodies, and cryoglobulinaemia were assessed. Then, using > > > multivariate analysis, we identified demographic, biochemical, > > > immunological, virological, and histological factors associated with > > > the presence of fatigue. Fatigue was present in 53% of patients (95% > > > confidence interval 51-56). In 17% of patients (95% confidence > > > interval 15-19) fatigue was severe, impairing activity. Five other > > > extrahepatic manifestations had a prevalence above 10% including, in > > > decreasing order: arthralgia, paresthesia, myalgia, pruritus, and > > > sicca syndrome. In univariate and multivariate analyses, fatigue, in > > > comparison with the absence of fatigue, was associated with female > > > gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. > > > Independent of these associations, fatigue was associated with > > > arthralgia, myalgia, paresthesia, sicca syndrome and pruritus. The > > > prevalence of fibromyalgia (as defined by the association of fatigue > > > with arthralgia or myalgia) was 19% (95% confidence interval 17-21). > > > There was no significant association between fatigue and the following > > > characteristics: viral load or genotype, alcohol consumption, abnormal > > > thyroid function, and type and level of cryoglobulinaemia. Hence, > > > fatigue is the most frequent extrahepatic manifestation in patients > > > infected with HCV. Fatigue is independently associated with female > > > gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. > > > PMID: 12081607 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > Thanks for the articles. > > Two or three years ago, I mentioned to the doc. that I had at that time, > > that I felt like the fibromyalgia I had was a result of  the HCV.  My doc.

became very irate.  I think he was tired of me having opinions about my care.  He pretty much raised his voice and stated their was absolutely

no

relationship between fibromyalgia and HCV and that it was totally two different distinct diseases. I was right according to this, and the last doc. I had was up-to-date enough to agree with me. Susie —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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fatigue was the number one reason I did treatment. It’s been over two

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post tx, man my energy is right up there with the moon!! A good buddy of mine started seeing the doc a while back, complaining of fatigue. He was later dx’ed with HepC…

There are lots of folkes with normal alts that have HCV and still don’t know it.  Docs just don’t check this for complaints of fatigue generally unless the alts are high.  I’m so hoping I get some energy back after this is over with.  I’d do almost anything to wake up feeling rested. Susie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Russ > Remove "NOSPAM" for replies. > "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net

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> > news:ec181702.0408090753.4953e8f6@posting.google.com… > > > Fatigue in patients with chronic hepatitis C. > > > Poynard T, Cacoub P, Ratziu V, Myers RP, Dezailles MH, Mercadier A, > > > Ghillani P, Charlotte F, Piette JC, Moussalli J; Multivirc group. > > > Departments of Hepatogastroenterology, Hopital La Pitie-Salpetriere, > > > Paris, France. tpoyn…@teaser.fr > > > In numerous studies of symptoms in patients with chronic hepatitis C > > > there has been no systematic assessment of both fatigue and > > > extrahepatic manifestations. Our objective was to assess the > > > prevalence of fatigue in patients with hepatitis C virus (HCV) > > > infection, and to identify associations between fatigue and clinical > > > and biological hepatic and extrahepatic manifestations. We studied > > > 1614 patients. Data were prospectively recorded during the first visit > > > of patients infected with HCV and the prevalence of fatigue and its > > > association with dermatological, rheumatological, neurological and > > > nephrological manifestations; diabetes; arterial hypertension; > > > auto-antibodies, and cryoglobulinaemia were assessed. Then, using > > > multivariate analysis, we identified demographic, biochemical, > > > immunological, virological, and histological factors associated with > > > the presence of fatigue. Fatigue was present in 53% of patients (95% > > > confidence interval 51-56). In 17% of patients (95% confidence > > > interval 15-19) fatigue was severe, impairing activity. Five other > > > extrahepatic manifestations had a prevalence above 10% including, in > > > decreasing order: arthralgia, paresthesia, myalgia, pruritus, and > > > sicca syndrome. In univariate and multivariate analyses, fatigue, in > > > comparison with the absence of fatigue, was associated with female > > > gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. > > > Independent of these associations, fatigue was associated with > > > arthralgia, myalgia, paresthesia, sicca syndrome and pruritus. The > > > prevalence of fibromyalgia (as defined by the association of fatigue > > > with arthralgia or myalgia) was 19% (95% confidence interval 17-21). > > > There was no significant association between fatigue and the following > > > characteristics: viral load or genotype, alcohol consumption, abnormal > > > thyroid function, and type and level of cryoglobulinaemia. Hence, > > > fatigue is the most frequent extrahepatic manifestation in patients > > > infected with HCV. Fatigue is independently associated with female > > > gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. > > > PMID: 12081607 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > > Thanks for the articles. > > Two or three years ago, I mentioned to the doc. that I had at that time, > > that I felt like the fibromyalgia I had was a result of  the HCV.  My doc.

became very irate.  I think he was tired of me having opinions about my care.  He pretty much raised his voice and stated their was absolutely

no

relationship between fibromyalgia and HCV and that it was totally two different distinct diseases. I was right according to this, and the last doc. I had was up-to-date enough to agree with me. Susie —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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From: "Susie Quill" sus…@vzpacifica.net Date: 09/08/2004 8:20 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <411814b…@corp.newsgroups.com Two or three years ago, I mentioned to the doc. that I had at that time, that I felt like the fibromyalgia I had was a result of  the HCV.  My doc. became very irate.  I think he was tired of me having opinions about my

Hey, I know, I talk to many people who suffer this disease on both sides of the border. I send people studies and tell them to print them out and tell thier doctors to read them if they have similar problems like you did with their docs. One would assume the doctor knows, but so many times the doc got it wrong! Take Care, if you need anything at all, I’ll be happy to pull it up for you. Kim

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fatigue was the number one reason I did treatment. It’s been over two months post tx, man my energy is right up there with the moon!! A good buddy of mine started seeing the doc a while back, complaining of fatigue. He was later dx’ed with HepC… — Russ Remove "NOSPAM" for replies. "Susie Quill" <sus…@vzpacifica.net

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> news:ec181702.0408090753.4953e8f6@posting.google.com… > > Fatigue in patients with chronic hepatitis C. > > Poynard T, Cacoub P, Ratziu V, Myers RP, Dezailles MH, Mercadier A, > > Ghillani P, Charlotte F, Piette JC, Moussalli J; Multivirc group. > > Departments of Hepatogastroenterology, Hopital La Pitie-Salpetriere, > > Paris, France. tpoyn…@teaser.fr > > In numerous studies of symptoms in patients with chronic hepatitis C > > there has been no systematic assessment of both fatigue and > > extrahepatic manifestations. Our objective was to assess the > > prevalence of fatigue in patients with hepatitis C virus (HCV) > > infection, and to identify associations between fatigue and clinical > > and biological hepatic and extrahepatic manifestations. We studied > > 1614 patients. Data were prospectively recorded during the first visit > > of patients infected with HCV and the prevalence of fatigue and its > > association with dermatological, rheumatological, neurological and > > nephrological manifestations; diabetes; arterial hypertension; > > auto-antibodies, and cryoglobulinaemia were assessed. Then, using > > multivariate analysis, we identified demographic, biochemical, > > immunological, virological, and histological factors associated with > > the presence of fatigue. Fatigue was present in 53% of patients (95% > > confidence interval 51-56). In 17% of patients (95% confidence > > interval 15-19) fatigue was severe, impairing activity. Five other > > extrahepatic manifestations had a prevalence above 10% including, in > > decreasing order: arthralgia, paresthesia, myalgia, pruritus, and > > sicca syndrome. In univariate and multivariate analyses, fatigue, in > > comparison with the absence of fatigue, was associated with female > > gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. > > Independent of these associations, fatigue was associated with > > arthralgia, myalgia, paresthesia, sicca syndrome and pruritus. The > > prevalence of fibromyalgia (as defined by the association of fatigue > > with arthralgia or myalgia) was 19% (95% confidence interval 17-21). > > There was no significant association between fatigue and the following > > characteristics: viral load or genotype, alcohol consumption, abnormal > > thyroid function, and type and level of cryoglobulinaemia. Hence, > > fatigue is the most frequent extrahepatic manifestation in patients > > infected with HCV. Fatigue is independently associated with female > > gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. > > PMID: 12081607 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] > Thanks for the articles. > Two or three years ago, I mentioned to the doc. that I had at that time, > that I felt like the fibromyalgia I had was a result of  the HCV.  My doc. > became very irate.  I think he was tired of me having opinions about my > care.  He pretty much raised his voice and stated their was absolutely no > relationship between fibromyalgia and HCV and that it was totally two > different distinct diseases. > I was right according to this, and the last doc. I had was up-to-date enough

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Before treatments, I used to get frequent episodes of fatigue that went well beyond what you’d call ‘tired’.  Since finsishing this last time, I’ve not once felt the same brand of fatigue.  Most days i’ve got more energy than I’ve had in decades.   Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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Thanks Kim, I don’t think the research was available on this a couple years ago because I had done plenty of searches on HCV and fibro. and found very little at that time.   Thanks for the research material. Susie "Hepautornagic" <hepautorna…@aol.com

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From: "Susie Quill" sus…@vzpacifica.net Date: 09/08/2004 8:20 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <411814b…@corp.newsgroups.com Two or three years ago, I mentioned to the doc. that I had at that time, that I felt like the fibromyalgia I had was a result of  the HCV.  My

doc.

became very irate.  I think he was tired of me having opinions about my Hey, I know, I talk to many people who suffer this disease on both sides

of the

border. I send people studies and tell them to print them out and tell

thier

doctors to read them if they have similar problems like you did with their docs. One would assume the doctor knows, but so many times the doc got it wrong! Take Care, if you need anything at all, I’ll be happy to pull it up for

you.

Kim

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Fatigue in patients with chronic hepatitis C. Poynard T, Cacoub P, Ratziu V, Myers RP, Dezailles MH, Mercadier A, Ghillani P, Charlotte F, Piette JC, Moussalli J; Multivirc group. Departments of Hepatogastroenterology, Hopital La Pitie-Salpetriere, Paris, France. tpoyn…@teaser.fr In numerous studies of symptoms in patients with chronic hepatitis C there has been no systematic assessment of both fatigue and extrahepatic manifestations. Our objective was to assess the prevalence of fatigue in patients with hepatitis C virus (HCV) infection, and to identify associations between fatigue and clinical and biological hepatic and extrahepatic manifestations. We studied 1614 patients. Data were prospectively recorded during the first visit of patients infected with HCV and the prevalence of fatigue and its association with dermatological, rheumatological, neurological and nephrological manifestations; diabetes; arterial hypertension; auto-antibodies, and cryoglobulinaemia were assessed. Then, using multivariate analysis, we identified demographic, biochemical, immunological, virological, and histological factors associated with the presence of fatigue. Fatigue was present in 53% of patients (95% confidence interval 51-56). In 17% of patients (95% confidence interval 15-19) fatigue was severe, impairing activity. Five other extrahepatic manifestations had a prevalence above 10% including, in decreasing order: arthralgia, paresthesia, myalgia, pruritus, and sicca syndrome. In univariate and multivariate analyses, fatigue, in comparison with the absence of fatigue, was associated with female gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. Independent of these associations, fatigue was associated with arthralgia, myalgia, paresthesia, sicca syndrome and pruritus. The prevalence of fibromyalgia (as defined by the association of fatigue with arthralgia or myalgia) was 19% (95% confidence interval 17-21). There was no significant association between fatigue and the following characteristics: viral load or genotype, alcohol consumption, abnormal thyroid function, and type and level of cryoglobulinaemia. Hence, fatigue is the most frequent extrahepatic manifestation in patients infected with HCV. Fatigue is independently associated with female gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. PMID: 12081607 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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Fatigue in patients with chronic hepatitis C. Poynard T, Cacoub P, Ratziu V, Myers RP, Dezailles MH, Mercadier A, Ghillani P, Charlotte F, Piette JC, Moussalli J; Multivirc group. Departments of Hepatogastroenterology, Hopital La Pitie-Salpetriere, Paris, France. tpoyn…@teaser.fr In numerous studies of symptoms in patients with chronic hepatitis C there has been no systematic assessment of both fatigue and extrahepatic manifestations. Our objective was to assess the prevalence of fatigue in patients with hepatitis C virus (HCV) infection, and to identify associations between fatigue and clinical and biological hepatic and extrahepatic manifestations. We studied 1614 patients. Data were prospectively recorded during the first visit of patients infected with HCV and the prevalence of fatigue and its association with dermatological, rheumatological, neurological and nephrological manifestations; diabetes; arterial hypertension; auto-antibodies, and cryoglobulinaemia were assessed. Then, using multivariate analysis, we identified demographic, biochemical, immunological, virological, and histological factors associated with the presence of fatigue. Fatigue was present in 53% of patients (95% confidence interval 51-56). In 17% of patients (95% confidence interval 15-19) fatigue was severe, impairing activity. Five other extrahepatic manifestations had a prevalence above 10% including, in decreasing order: arthralgia, paresthesia, myalgia, pruritus, and sicca syndrome. In univariate and multivariate analyses, fatigue, in comparison with the absence of fatigue, was associated with female gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. Independent of these associations, fatigue was associated with arthralgia, myalgia, paresthesia, sicca syndrome and pruritus. The prevalence of fibromyalgia (as defined by the association of fatigue with arthralgia or myalgia) was 19% (95% confidence interval 17-21). There was no significant association between fatigue and the following characteristics: viral load or genotype, alcohol consumption, abnormal thyroid function, and type and level of cryoglobulinaemia. Hence, fatigue is the most frequent extrahepatic manifestation in patients infected with HCV. Fatigue is independently associated with female gender, age over 50 years, cirrhosis, depression and purpura. PMID: 12081607 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Thanks for the articles. Two or three years ago, I mentioned to the doc. that I had at that time, that I felt like the fibromyalgia I had was a result of  the HCV.  My doc. became very irate.  I think he was tired of me having opinions about my care.  He pretty much raised his voice and stated their was absolutely no relationship between fibromyalgia and HCV and that it was totally two different distinct diseases. I was right according to this, and the last doc. I had was up-to-date enough to agree with me. Susie —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Hi, you might remember me as Siri* or Affinity. I started posting here 2-3 years ago (I think). I’ve been diagnosed with Social Anxiety, Major Depression and a few other anxiety disorders since I was twenty-three (possibly sub-clinical from age eighteen to twenty-one). I am currently twenty-seven years old. Anyway, I’ve just been diagnosed with thyroid disease (today), which might account for what I thought was a shift towards OCD and Anorexia. Having lost over 15% of my body weight in the last six months, and a further six pounds in the last two weeks, I was starting to get a little worried.  Also the fatigue, racing body (paradoxically) and crazy/intrusive thoughts have not been all that pleasant, to say the least. Anyway, the point of my post is that while I may, or may not, have some underlying anxiety disorder, I *do* have a fucked up thyroid (not yet sure if it’s Graves’, Hashimoto’s, or something ‘else’). Which means that I need to take hormones for the rest of my life; but I figure the danger of hair-loss and liver disease is better than my heart suddenly stopping. The mental anguish of thyrotoxicosis isn’t fun, either. To anyone who is suffering anxiety and/or mood disorders; either by medical diagnoses or self-decree; get thyself to a doctor and have thyself a thyroid test (simple blood test). It may just save your life and might offer you the ‘key’ to the way you’re feeling. It’s a *fact* that thyroid disease mimics anxiety and depression/mania and it can be just as fatal. For more information, check these links: http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles.htm http://www.endocrinologist.com/thyroid.htm http://www.the-thyroid-society.org http://www.endo-society.org/ http://www.thyroidfoundation.org/ http://www.studentbmj.com/back_issues/0300/education/62.html

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To anyone who is suffering anxiety and/or mood disorders; either by medical diagnoses or self-decree; get thyself to a doctor and have thyself a thyroid test (simple blood test). It may just save your life and might offer you the ‘key’ to the way you’re feeling. It’s a *fact* that thyroid disease mimics anxiety and depression/mania and it can be just as fatal. For more information, check these links:

This is very true. This is one of the first things I had done to find out what was wrong with me. It is a simple test. I don’t have Thyroid problems but at least I never have to consider it. Richard

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[Angst and possibly incorrect clinical details--always ask yer GP]

To anyone who is suffering anxiety and/or mood disorders; either by medical diagnoses or self-decree; get thyself to a doctor and have thyself a thyroid test (simple blood test). It may just save your life and might offer you the ‘key’ to the way you’re feeling. It’s a *fact* that thyroid disease mimics anxiety and depression/mania and it can be just as fatal. For more information, check these links: This is very true. This is one of the first things I had done to find out what was wrong with me. It is a simple test. I don’t have Thyroid problems but at least I never have to consider it.

My anxiety stuff didn’t actually lead me to a GP who seemed aware of the possibility until last year. I had an abnormal thyroid test result back then, but that was not enough (in itself) to lead to a diagnoses. Subsequently, I missed the follow-up. NOT a good idea. <d’oh!

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Not too long ago when I was in my twenties my doctor diagnosed me with a thyroid problem, put me on medication. Then he retired and sent me to another doctor, unfortunately when the time came to re-new my medication this new *asshole* doctor wouldn’t re-new the meds for me. He said that I don’t have a thyroid problem. I went to different doctors and had the test done several times and the tests came back normal every time. Strange because my Dad has a thyroid problem and has been on these meds for most of his life. I actually did feel better back when I was taking them. Crissy "Affinity" <c…@trojanmedia.org

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Hi, you might remember me as Siri* or Affinity. I started posting here 2-3 years ago (I think). I’ve been diagnosed with Social Anxiety, Major Depression and a few other anxiety disorders since I was twenty-three (possibly sub-clinical from age eighteen to twenty-one). I am currently twenty-seven years old. Anyway, I’ve just been diagnosed with thyroid disease (today), which might account for what I thought was a shift towards OCD and Anorexia. Having lost over 15% of my body weight in the last six months, and a further six pounds in the last two weeks, I was starting to get a little worried.  Also the fatigue, racing body (paradoxically) and crazy/intrusive thoughts have not been all that pleasant, to say the least. Anyway, the point of my post is that while I may, or may not, have some underlying anxiety disorder, I *do* have a fucked up thyroid (not yet sure if it’s Graves’, Hashimoto’s, or something ‘else’). Which means that I need to take hormones for the rest of my life; but I figure the danger of hair-loss and liver disease is better than my heart suddenly stopping. The mental anguish of thyrotoxicosis isn’t fun, either. To anyone who is suffering anxiety and/or mood disorders; either by medical diagnoses or self-decree; get thyself to a doctor and have thyself a thyroid test (simple blood test). It may just save your life and might offer you the ‘key’ to the way you’re feeling. It’s a *fact* that thyroid disease mimics anxiety and depression/mania and it can be just as fatal. For more information, check these links: http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles.htm http://www.endocrinologist.com/thyroid.htm http://www.the-thyroid-society.org http://www.endo-society.org/ http://www.thyroidfoundation.org/ http://www.studentbmj.com/back_issues/0300/education/62.html

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spake: Not too long ago when I was in my twenties my doctor diagnosed me with a thyroid problem, put me on medication. Then he retired and sent me to another doctor, unfortunately when the time came to re-new my medication this new *asshole* doctor wouldn’t re-new the meds for me. He said that I don’t have a thyroid problem. I went to different doctors and had the test done several times and the tests came back normal every time. Strange because my Dad has a thyroid problem and has been on these meds for most of his life. I actually did feel better back when I was taking them.

From the little I know, thyroid problems can and do have a genetic component. There’s a debate within the thyroid community regarding the accuracy of tests and the unique ways in which thyroid disease can present itself in different individuals. Have you actually had a thyroid antibody test? This is not just measuring the level of TSH (thyroid-stimulating hormone) in your body, which apparently is not always accurate, but looks to see whether your body is having an immunological response against your thyroid gland. I’m by no means a doctor, but I would recommend getting in touch with an endocrinologist. Explain the difference between how you felt on and off medication, that might offer some clue. Further reading: http://www.thyroid.org.au/Information/NormalTSH.html [...]

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J Pediatr Endocrinol Metab 2003 Jan;16(1):111-3 Transient neonatal hypothyroidism due to a maternal vegan diet. We report a 10 day-old infant with a goitre, who presented with raised TSH on dried blood spot screening. It was observed that her mother also had a goitre. The mother was a vegan and, on dietary assessment, her iodine intake was extremely low.

    Since this was a totally isolated incident; that is, these deficiencies do not occur in the great majority of veg*ns, oe even a significant number, there is no logical reason to conclude that the unspecified "vegan" diet was the sole cause.  This incident seems to be genetically-based.     Veg*ns can get sufficient iodine from sea vegetables, such as dulse, so your anti-veg*n propaganda is simply false.     Please stop cross-posting this hysterical nonsense to alt.food.vegan. science.     Pubmed searches for "goiter and vegan" and "goiter and vegetarian" brings up no significant correlation.     However, PMID: 9464451 indicates that "The soybean has been implicated in diet-induced goiter by many studies."     Other info on the hazards of eating soy are at: http://www.ecologos.org/ttdd.html "Seaweed is particularly rich in iodine: that is, concentrations are 100-1000 times higher than in fish." http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:c4_X3wXkZmQC:www.nature.com/cgi-… aPage.taf%3Ffile%3D/ejcn/journal/v56/n5/full/1601380a.html+dietary+iodine&h l =en&ie=UTF-8 — Laurie Forti  Moderator alt.food.vegan.science

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J Pediatr Endocrinol Metab 2003 Jan;16(1):111-3 Transient neonatal hypothyroidism due to a maternal vegan diet. Shaikh MG, Anderson JM, Hall SK, Jackson MA. New Cross Hospital, Wolverhampton, Birmingham Children ’s Hospital, That is right = eat nothing but triple Macs and die young of a heart attack!

If you know anything about nutrition you would be a vegan too.  The healthiest diets in the world contain very little or no meat products. As for the parent who won’t let his daughter(s) become vegetarian before they’re 18…I have very little to say to you.  With proper research done by your daughters on a vegetarian diet, their health is of little concern.   Maybe if you knew that the director of John Hopkins University was vegan and promotes a vegan diet then your opinion would change. As someone who has seen people pass away at a ripe old age of less than 60 years of age I can protest a meat based diet.  Research presented to the public on the dangers of eating meat should be more availible than it is now.  If it were known that poor diet is the single most significant factor towards death in this country (at least twice as much as cigarettes) then more people would take their diets seriously. Additionally, more people will die of starvation than people who died in all of world war II (including the Holocaust).  I, for one, choose to not be responsible for the mass murders of either humans or animals. Where do your ethics lie?  Oh, and check out my website. www.2by2.net/shusonic/veganism.html

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animals. Where do your ethics lie?  Oh, and check out my website. www.2by2.net/shusonic/veganism.html

I got a dead link message when I clicked that url Graham

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Well SHIT…they are ALL showing up now.  Fucking RoadRunner news server!!! LOL! Deb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:46:58 GMT, Loon Atick <ds…@mn.rr.com

wrote: I have ZERO side effects from synthroid.  It only replaces the natural hormone you are lacking.  It’s just a synthetic form.  They just have to get the dose adjusted so that you feel better ….and you WILL feel much better!  I started feeling better right away…but I saw an Endocrinologist who had an excellent idea of what doseage to put me on.  I doubt you’ll have any problems!! Love you too, girl! Deb On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:14:35 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote: I’m wonderin what kind of side effects I can expect.  And how long will it take for me to feel better?  Thanks for your support, sister.  Much love. Ang "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com wrote in message news:sfkb7uoo1hlh0sueijal98k9pmdccd9srt@4ax.com… Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely before ya know it Big hugs and lots of love, Deb On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote:    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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I’m wonderin what kind of side effects I can expect.  And how long will it take for me to feel better?  Thanks for your support, sister.  Much love. Ang "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com wrote in message news:sfkb7uoo1hlh0sueijal98k9pmdccd9srt@4ax.com… Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely before ya know it Big hugs and lots of love, Deb On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote:    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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Ang….I sent you several replies to this….did you get any of them? If not, I’ll write via email. Hugs, Deb p.s.   fucking servers!!! On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:55:57 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net

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Thanks Dee.  I’m sure the sun will shine again soon.  Keep us posted on the results of your trip to the Doc. Angie "Personalized Creations" <particl…@earthlink.net wrote in message news:inqd8.7843$ZC3.615511@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… Hiya hon! LMAO ….. I hear ya on the ‘Hippie Instinct" !!!  I grew up in the 60’s …. I was 16 …. and a flower child …. I understand!  Free Love! LOL!! Anyway ……. I’m calling the doctor today too … make an appt. for next week … ugh!  I also hate to go …. don’t know why …. maybe cause it’s so far away .. 1 hour … and that to go … I have to get up at 5:30 a.m. to take Jim to work …. and I HATE to wait in the office …. ugh!  All of it!! But I know I need to be tested for Thyroid also …. and Sugar too …. been REAL thirsty lately.  Also my b/p won’t go down ….. hmmm?? I wonder why …. living with THIS man!  LOL!! But, sorry to hear you have to take meds …. but maybe you’ll start feeling better ……. I pray you do!  ’wink’ Take care hon, Dee "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote in message news:0Ajd8.740$rR1.289046@news.uswest.net…     Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!     So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?     I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,     Angie

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I replied to this, but it didn’t show up.  Lost in the ozone. I didn’t have any side effects at all from Synthroid.  All it is, is a synthetic version of the thyroid hormone your body produces.  I started feeling better almost instantly!  They should be able to adjust the dose as needed…but a good doctor should be able to tell how much for you to take by your abnormal thyroid reading.  I saw an Endocrinologist for this…but I know regular medical doctors prescribe it as well.  Let me know if you have questions! Love, Deb On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:14:35 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net

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I’m wonderin what kind of side effects I can expect.  And how long will it take for me to feel better?  Thanks for your support, sister.  Much love. Ang "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com wrote in message news:sfkb7uoo1hlh0sueijal98k9pmdccd9srt@4ax.com… Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely before ya know it Big hugs and lots of love, Deb On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote:    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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I have ZERO side effects from synthroid.  It only replaces the natural hormone you are lacking.  It’s just a synthetic form.  They just have to get the dose adjusted so that you feel better ….and you WILL feel much better!  I started feeling better right away…but I saw an Endocrinologist who had an excellent idea of what doseage to put me on.  I doubt you’ll have any problems!! Love you too, girl! Deb On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:14:35 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net

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I’m wonderin what kind of side effects I can expect.  And how long will it take for me to feel better?  Thanks for your support, sister.  Much love. Ang "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com wrote in message news:sfkb7uoo1hlh0sueijal98k9pmdccd9srt@4ax.com… Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely before ya know it Big hugs and lots of love, Deb On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote:    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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Sorry to but in, But YAY!!! that’s great to hear *big hugs* Demon. "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net

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news:A8Rd8.38$Bn2.44373@news.uswest.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am already starting to feel a bit better.  Good enough to go to the > library and sign my son up for baseball.  Thank you for your best wishes. > Love, > Ang > my-maggie-mae <my-maggie-…@yahoo.com

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> news:B89C3E6E.1A68%my-maggie-mae@yahoo.com… > > It’s hard to hear these things, but I hope you get well now and that your

really feel better. love, v From: "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net Newsgroups: alt.support.personality Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800 Subject: Visiit to the Doc and other ramblings Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I

go

to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium

pushed

me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would

have

known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again,

conceiving

may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.

Maybe

I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh! So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against

every

natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with

my

mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why

I

don’t go to the doctor’s? I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight, Angie

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Thanx Ang,,,,        Your situation is just as importaint hun,,,its your health your worried about.. I do hope all works out well there,,         It has been a rough day,,but I am feeling good right now cause im with all three kids,,,thank god he let me have them today,,,its just so unsure day to day what mood my ex is in,,,I divorced him for controlling me,,,,and now divorced hes controlling even worse,,I want to scream,,,,,,,,,aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaahh hhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh Ok ,,I fell better now,,,,,,             Thanx for being there                     Helen

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Oh Sweetie, what I have to contend with is minor compared to your situation. Makes me want to scream because I’ve been there too.  I know your rage. "Rage" is too general a term for what you’re feeling.  I think undefiable righteous indignation works well.  Please let me know if there’s anything I can do. Love, Angie HelenOdm <helen…@aol.com

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Hi hun,,, Sorry I did not write sooner,,,,just wanted to let you know that I hope everything works out for you,,,,and I am herefor you hun,,,,,,,,   ( v )                    /   Helen                   V

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I am already starting to feel a bit better.  Good enough to go to the library and sign my son up for baseball.  Thank you for your best wishes. Love, Ang my-maggie-mae <my-maggie-…@yahoo.com

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It’s hard to hear these things, but I hope you get well now and that your really feel better. love, v From: "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net Newsgroups: alt.support.personality Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800 Subject: Visiit to the Doc and other ramblings Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been

umm……6

years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have

Hypothyroidism.

I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed

me

over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work

on

having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving

may

be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong

direction

and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again.

Again?

That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe

I’ll

lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I

have a

goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My

husband

doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh! So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s? I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight, Angie

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That’s good to hear *hugs* Demon. "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net

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news:8iyd8.79$Lf1.74322@news.uswest.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You’re truly welcome.  I had a blast.  Enough with the "Hippo" shit, > alright?  I’m not laughin’.  Hypo means my thyroid is underactive and yes > it’s treatable.  Have to take the meds for life though.  But seeing as I > think Jesus is comin’ back pretty soon, I’m not fretting over it just yet. > Love ya sister. > Angie > "_Demon_Eyes_" <a…@nowhere.com

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> news:%7nd8.22309$N31.1138693@ozemail.com.au… > > Ditto about the relief. I am sorry to hear it though, don’t know much > about > > "hypo" I know about Hippo’s every day when I look in the mirror, lol, but

not "Hypo" Is it treatable? *hugs* Take care and thank you both for really truly lifting my spirits

yesterday > > ) > > Demon. > > "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com

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> > news:sfkb7uoo1hlh0sueijal98k9pmdccd9srt@4ax.com… > > > Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I > > > take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up > > > first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like > > > cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely > > > before ya know it > > > Big hugs and lots of love, > > > Deb > > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" > > > <sangu…@uswest.net> wrote: > > > >    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted

I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t

work

on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.

Maybe

I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the

meat

grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes

against

every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with

my

mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why

I

don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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It’s hard to hear these things, but I hope you get well now and that your really feel better. love, v – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

From: "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net Newsgroups: alt.support.personality Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800 Subject: Visiit to the Doc and other ramblings Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again.  Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh! So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s? I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight, Angie

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Hi hun,,, Sorry I did not write sooner,,,,just wanted to let you know that I hope everything works out for you,,,,and I am herefor you hun,,,,,,,,   ( v )                    /   Helen                   V

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You’re truly welcome.  I had a blast.  Enough with the "Hippo" shit, alright?  I’m not laughin’.  Hypo means my thyroid is underactive and yes it’s treatable.  Have to take the meds for life though.  But seeing as I think Jesus is comin’ back pretty soon, I’m not fretting over it just yet. Love ya sister. Angie "_Demon_Eyes_" <a…@nowhere.com

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Ditto about the relief. I am sorry to hear it though, don’t know much

about > "hypo" I know about Hippo’s every day when I look in the mirror, lol, but > not "Hypo" Is it treatable? > *hugs* > Take care and thank you both for really truly lifting my spirits yesterday > ) > Demon. > "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com

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> news:sfkb7uoo1hlh0sueijal98k9pmdccd9srt@4ax.com… > > Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I > > take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up > > first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like > > cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely > > before ya know it > > Big hugs and lots of love, > > Deb > > On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" > > <sangu…@uswest.net> wrote: > > >    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I

go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been

umm……6

years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium

pushed

me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would

have

known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work

on

having babies for a while and even when I start trying again,

conceiving

may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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Thanks Dee.  I’m sure the sun will shine again soon.  Keep us posted on the results of your trip to the Doc. Angie "Personalized Creations" <particl…@earthlink.net

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Hiya hon! LMAO ….. I hear ya on the ‘Hippie Instinct" !!!  I grew up in the 60’s …. I was 16 …. and a flower child …. I understand!  Free Love!

LOL!!

Anyway ……. I’m calling the doctor today too … make an appt. for next week … ugh!  I also hate to go …. don’t know why …. maybe cause it’s so far away .. 1 hour … and that to go … I have to get up at 5:30 a.m. to take Jim to work …. and I HATE to wait in the office …. ugh!  All

of

it!! But I know I need to be tested for Thyroid also …. and Sugar too ….

been

REAL thirsty lately.  Also my b/p won’t go down ….. hmmm?? I wonder why …. living with THIS man!  LOL!! But, sorry to hear you have to take meds …. but maybe you’ll start

feeling > better ……. I pray you do!  ’wink’ > Take care hon, > Dee > "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net

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> news:0Ajd8.740$rR1.289046@news.uswest.net… > >     Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I > go > > to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6

years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have

Hypothyroidism.

I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work

on

having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again.

Again?

That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I

have

a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!     So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?     I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,     Angie

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I’ve replied to this twice, but I’m not seeing it.  Did you get it, Ang? Love, Deb On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:14:35 -0800, "Sanguine" <sangu…@uswest.net

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I’m wonderin what kind of side effects I can expect.  And how long will it take for me to feel better?  Thanks for your support, sister.  Much love. Ang "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com wrote in message news:sfkb7uoo1hlh0sueijal98k9pmdccd9srt@4ax.com… Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely before ya know it Big hugs and lots of love, Deb On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote:    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again. Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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Hiya hon! LMAO ….. I hear ya on the ‘Hippie Instinct" !!!  I grew up in the 60’s …. I was 16 …. and a flower child …. I understand!  Free Love!  LOL!! Anyway ……. I’m calling the doctor today too … make an appt. for next week … ugh!  I also hate to go …. don’t know why …. maybe cause it’s so far away .. 1 hour … and that to go … I have to get up at 5:30 a.m. to take Jim to work …. and I HATE to wait in the office …. ugh!  All of it!! But I know I need to be tested for Thyroid also …. and Sugar too …. been REAL thirsty lately.  Also my b/p won’t go down ….. hmmm?? I wonder why …. living with THIS man!  LOL!! But, sorry to hear you have to take meds …. but maybe you’ll start feeling better ……. I pray you do!  ’wink’ Take care hon, Dee "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net

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    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I

go

to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed

me

over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving

may

be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong

direction

and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again.  Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe

I’ll

lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have

a

goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My

husband

doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!     So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against

every

natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?     I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,     Angie

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I’m wonderin what kind of side effects I can expect.  And how long will it take for me to feel better?  Thanks for your support, sister.  Much love. Ang "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com

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Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely before ya know it Big hugs and lots of love, Deb On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote:    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I

go

to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have

Hypothyroidism.

I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed

me

over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving

may

be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong

direction

and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again.

Again?

That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe

I’ll

lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I

have a

goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My

husband

doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against

every

natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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Ditto about the relief. I am sorry to hear it though, don’t know much about "hypo" I know about Hippo’s every day when I look in the mirror, lol, but not "Hypo" Is it treatable? *hugs* Take care and thank you both for really truly lifting my spirits yesterday ) Demon. "Loon Atick" <ds…@mn.rr.com

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Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely before ya know it Big hugs and lots of love, Deb On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" <sangu…@uswest.net wrote:    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I

go

to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have

Hypothyroidism.

I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed

me

over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving

may

be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong

direction

and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again.

Again?

That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe

I’ll

lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I

have a

goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My

husband

doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against

every

natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again.  Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!     So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?     I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,     Angie

Response:

Oh Ang!!  So sorry, damn fucking doctors!!!  I have "hypo" also.  I take synthroid.  Feel free to ask me any questions…but wake me up first, OK?  LOL!!!  I’m just relieved you don’t have anything like cancer!!!  This is easily treated and you’ll be ‘boinking’ freely before ya know it Big hugs and lots of love, Deb On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:14:38 -0800, "Sanguine – Angie Bull" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<sangu…@uswest.net

wrote:    Well after being in bed for two weeks, my husband finally insisted I go to the doctor.  I HATE going to the doctor.  I think it’s been umm……6 years since I last went.  Anyway, it turns out that I have Hypothyroidism. I’ve always thought I was on the verge but I think taking Lithium pushed me over the edge.  It’s a excellent cause they say.  Sure wish I would have known about this possible side effect beforehand.  So now I can’t work on having babies for a while and even when I start trying again, conceiving may be difficult.  That’s a new one for me.  The wind blows the wrong direction and I get pregnant!!  The upside…perhaps I’ll have energy again.  Again? That’s silly to say because I don’t remember EVER having energy.  Maybe I’ll lose weight.  Maybe I won’t feel like putting my head through the meat grinder all of the time.  Maybe, maybe, maybe.  Oh! AND!!  She said I have a goider (sp)!!!!!  I do NOT!!  Do you see one?  I don’t see one.  My husband doesn’t see one.  Tellin’ me I have a goider.  Sheesh!    So now we have to do the protected sex thing….which goes against every natural (Deb would say "Hippie") instinct we have.  grrr.  Mess with my mind, if you must but for God’s sake don’t mess with my sex!  See why I don’t go to the doctor’s?    I’m tired and my hand held video poker is calling my name. Salut and goodnight,    Angie

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Question:

I don’t know what the "cat" exercises are…maybe that post hasn’t come up for me yet.  I just wanted to say that , unlike Val, I find that using tampons keeps my cramps to a minimum.  I’ve always heard to avoid caffeine at this time and to consume dark green vegetables, such as spinach.

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Everything written below is helpful…. plus, I found that doing the "cat" exercises several times a day, esp. when the cramps were at their worst helped… In other words, I would do my floors on my hands and knees with a rag.  (It also helps in early labor, too!) — Eileen [The world will go as it wills; not as you or I would have it.  MZB] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Athena, I really feel for you.  I have had "I’m gonna die" cramps every month for 41 years.  Let’s see that’s 41 x 12 minus 18 (two pregnancies) = 474 times.  I know I am not supposed to, but I take my migraine medicine to help me sleep when I have cramps.  I can’t take it during the day or when I have to work, though, because it makes me so nauseus. A soak in a hot bath will definitely help. A heating pad on your stomach and/or back helps. Hot tea may help. Also I have found that I absolutely cannot use Tampons during my cramps or it makes them feel like I sat on a knife.  I have to wait until the pain subsides. My doctors have suggested ibuprofen but it makes me throw up when I have cramps.  Tylenol works best.  You might call your doctor and find out just how much you can really take.  My doctor told me that while two ibuprofen is the dose on the bottle, you can take up to 4 every 4-6 hours.  Maybe Tylenol would be the same. A walk around the neighborhood might help, too.  At least take your mind off for awhile.  The bath, though, is my savior.  That and someone rubbing my lower back. Good luck.  I hope you can find a doctor that can help you, but I doubt it. Doctors do not seem to sympathize with pain that doesn’t kill you. Good luck. Val in Boise

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If you feel it is Lithium related, stop taking it immediately (10 days in isn’t going to hurt) and call your doctor (any ER doctor will tell you this).  You have to look at other things as well as the addition of Lithium.  Have you started any other meds during this time? Are you positive they are menstrual cramps?  Have you always had cramps?  Have they ever been this bad before?  Whatever the answers are to these questions, consult your doctor IMMEDIATELY. Here is what Health-Center.com says: Most common side effects diarrhea, dizziness, drowsiness, increased thirst and urine volume, increase white blood cells, nausea, tremors, weight gain, abnormal changes in heart rate Occasional side effects blurry vision, skin problems, metallic taste, joint pain, ringing in ears, unsteadiness, loss of bladder control, abnormal thyroid function, low potassium, inhibited erection, edema (excessive fluid accumulation in body tissues) Least common side effects parkinsonism, hair loss, abnormal movements, elevated blood calcium or sugar, "blackout" spells, seizures To answer your question, No… I take Lithium and have never had menstrual cramps. Good Luck. Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am sufferring major menstrual cramps right now and I’m wondering if this is a side effect of the Lithium.  I just started taking it about ten days ago.  Anyone have this happen to them?  I feel like I’m gonna die, my cramps are so bad! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Athena, I really feel for you.  I have had "I’m gonna die" cramps every month for 41 years.  Let’s see that’s 41 x 12 minus 18 (two pregnancies) = 474 times.  I know I am not supposed to, but I take my migraine medicine to help me sleep when I have cramps.  I can’t take it during the day or when I have to work, though, because it makes me so nauseus. A soak in a hot bath will definitely help. A heating pad on your stomach and/or back helps. Hot tea may help. Also I have found that I absolutely cannot use Tampons during my cramps or it makes them feel like I sat on a knife.  I have to wait until the pain subsides. My doctors have suggested ibuprofen but it makes me throw up when I have cramps.  Tylenol works best.  You might call your doctor and find out just how much you can really take.  My doctor told me that while two ibuprofen is the dose on the bottle, you can take up to 4 every 4-6 hours.  Maybe Tylenol would be the same. A walk around the neighborhood might help, too.  At least take your mind off for awhile.  The bath, though, is my savior.  That and someone rubbing my lower back. Good luck.  I hope you can find a doctor that can help you, but I doubt it. Doctors do not seem to sympathize with pain that doesn’t kill you. Good luck. Val in Boise

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I am sufferring major menstrual cramps right now and I’m wondering if this is a side effect of the Lithium.  I just started taking it about ten days ago.  Anyone have this happen to them?  I feel like I’m gonna die, my cramps are so bad! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Question:

Hey, can anyone help!!!  I have no problem with erection, but the glans of penis will not get hard.  

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hi,i have the same probs…. i have a venous leack,when i squeeze the vein,the glas is getting hard. should the vein be removed? sorry,for my poor english i think – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, can anyone help!!!  I have no problem with erection, but the glans of penis will not get hard.

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I know how it feels to have ED. Assuming you can talk to your husband (not at) discuss the possibilities that he has ED, if his leg was broken he’d go to a leg doctor; if his dick is broken he has to go see a dick doctor, a Urologist. Internists see thyroid problems differently. Tyhroid problems can drastically effect ED and libido. Get to a good doc and do it before you/he grow any further aprart. Trust me, we’ve all been there, and with a little help, my wife and I are enjoying giving each other pleasure again.

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this has become a common problem in our relationship.  encounters are mostly normal during foreplay, but as soon as penetration the erection is gone.  my husband has several excuses but doesn’t want to admit there may be a problem. it’s either too late at night, too early in the morning, too much stress, not enough sleep or too much to drink.  the last 4 attempts have ended this way. this has been a sporadic problem for over 5 years and now seems to the a constant situation every time we attempt to make love.  his last physical was 18 months ago.  he is 48  years old. at his last physical his blood work revealed anitbodies for hepatitus C and an abnormal thyroid.  his dr. only recommended be watchful of both situations, no treatment necessary at the time.  i know this is not normal and it is very frustrating.  help?

Well, as you’ve figured out, it’s normal for men who develop erectile problems to go through a period of not knowing how to handle it. Denial, avoidance of the problem, trying to forget, deep humiliation are all things your husband may be going through. If you can be strong, I recommend that you very delicately and sensitively have an open conversation with your husband. Help is only a step away; assuming there aren’t any medication conflicts, a well known little diamond shape pill often helps immensely. It’s very important that your husband discuss this matter with his physician, as thyroid problems (if I recall correctly) can lead to erectile problems. Perhaps someone on this group with more knowledge of thyroid hormones and ED could speak up. Usually when a man goes through an ED problem, the problem isn’t the ED per se, but the denial and other problems the denial and avoidance of intimacy that causes the relationship to deteriorate. Good luck to you, and be strong. C/

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He needs to go to his doctor about THIS problem – ED – and get it all on the table! I have a little pre-written message for your husband: ==== The person who brought you this message thinks that you are worth the effort. Don’t let her down! What you have is so common that you’d be surprised. A full third of the men that you know who are acting like studs have a problem similar to yours. Many are hiding the truth, pretending that it isn’t a problem. They are being very foolish, because they can get it solved by seeing a doctor. Do you want to be foolish and miserable – or will you be the one that sees his doctor? Don’t let your doctor simply hand you some Viagra and call it done! Viagra might be your answer, but you could lose weeks and even months if your ED signaled something else that could and should be treated. Write down a history of your medical problems. Leave NOTHING out! Be ruthless to yourself! Don’t leave yourself in denial. 99% of ED problems can be resolved IF AND ONLY IF your doctor works with you to solve the problem. Bring that history to your doctor. Keep a copy with you. Think of any questions that you want answered up front and WRITE THEM DOWN!! Then do the following: 1.Get a hormonal screening. I advise you as someone with training and education in biochemistry – this is a must. 2. Get a FULL physical.    ED can be triggered by any number of things. Some are scary, most are    just annoying. A worsening case of ED is a signal that there’s something        else wrong.    Example:    Have you gained weight recently – particularly as a "spare tire"? That’s      a signal of a  very specific problem. 3.If your hormonal screening shows nothing and your physical doesn’t uncover anything request a referral to a urologist – preferably an andrological urologist.     The good urologist will do more than throw Viagra at you. He’ll check     out blood flow and other possible problems. 4. If your hormone screening shows a problem, request an    andrological-if-possible endocrinologist. As to your hormone screening, unless you have libido problems or have a problem in development reaching back to childhood, there’s usually less than a 30% chance that it’s hormonal, but it’s a good idea to get this out off the way immediately. Many doctors see "normal" and don’t question it. Remember the following: 1.Testosterone levels can be normal and  still inadequate, since the test covers a  range from 20-year-olds thru 80-year-olds and doesn’t assure that erectile dysfunction isn’t a problem in the sample patients. 2.Prolactin can be "normal" and at the high end. This can signal a problem  when taken with the results from the other tests and the full physical. 3.Estradiol is rarely reported with the range for men. As for what hormone tests to request, all of the following have been key to one form of  ED or another. Try to persuade your doctor to do all of them. Test for:     Total Testosterone.     Free Testosterone – *NOT* SHBG only.     SHBG     LH     FSH     Prolactin     Estradiol     Total Estrogen     Zinc     TSH     Free T3     Free T4     Liver Function Make sure that you bring the results and test ranges back here. They’ll be added to the "data base" of results for the next guy that needs a test. Note the Free testosterone. Simply measuring the SHBG is inadequate, since Free T is affected by other factors. Free T AND SHBG give a very useful picture to an andrologist. VIAGRA:         It’s quite possible that Viagra will be your answer even                 after all is said and done. It has proven successful for 70%                 of the general  population and 50% of  diabetics. BUT!                 Make sure! Injections:     These are virtually painless, although you may be                 squeamish at first.  I’m the clumsiest user around and I got                    it to work.                 Your doctor will test you for response and "titrate" you,                     figuring out the best dosage.                 Don’t accept the advice of untrained non-professionals, even in a               Newsgroup. Constriction Rings:  These gently squeeze the base of your penis to help                    the blood stay in. Pumps:  A pump uses vacuum to pull blood into your penis and then                 a constriction ring keeps it in. You can keep the ring in place or up              to 30 minutes. The ring is usually tighter than the constriction ring            alone. Implants:       The very last resort. An implant replaces your own mechanism with                 either a mechanical one or an hydraulic one.                 Once an implant is installed, you can’t go back to any other method,                 because your erectile tissue is removed to make room for the pump. Other medical substances:  There are other substances which you either ingest                 or rub on. Many will be available over the next few years.                 There are also herbal remedies. Some work sometimes. Some                 are no better than placebos and some are dangerous.                 If you want to find out which ones have any track record of success,                 ask in alt.support.impotence.                 Even those that actually work or help are often marketed in a way                 that is worthless and simply takes advantage of the track record                 without all of the conditions required. Again –                 alt.support.impotence for help! Although not doctors, there are a few                 people here with the necessary training in researching which ones will                 work. Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

erectile dysfunction: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – this has become a common problem in our relationship.  encounters are mostly normal during foreplay, but as soon as penetration the erection is gone.  my husband has several excuses but doesn’t want to admit there may be a problem. it’s either too late at night, too early in the morning, too much stress, not enough sleep or too much to drink.  the last 4 attempts have ended this way. this has been a sporadic problem for over 5 years and now seems to the a constant situation every time we attempt to make love.  his last physical was 18 months ago.  he is 48  years old. at his last physical his blood work revealed anitbodies for hepatitus C and an abnormal thyroid.  his dr. only recommended be watchful of both situations, no treatment necessary at the time.  i know this is not normal and it is very frustrating.  help?

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this has become a common problem in our relationship.  encounters are mostly normal during foreplay, but as soon as penetration the erection is gone.  my husband has several excuses but doesn’t want to admit there may be a problem. it’s either too late at night, too early in the morning, too much stress, not enough sleep or too much to drink.  the last 4 attempts have ended this way. this has been a sporadic problem for over 5 years and now seems to the a constant situation every time we attempt to make love.  his last physical was 18 months ago.  he is 48  years old. at his last physical his blood work revealed anitbodies for hepatitus C and an abnormal thyroid.  his dr. only recommended be watchful of both situations, no treatment necessary at the time.  i know this is not normal and it is very frustrating.  help?

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For a long time they thought that blood transfusions, etc was the only way to get Hepatitus C, however as of a few years ago they concluded that intercourse the implications! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – this has become a common problem in our relationship.  encounters are mostly normal during foreplay, but as soon as penetration the erection is gone. my husband has several excuses but doesn’t want to admit there may be a problem. it’s either too late at night, too early in the morning, too much stress, not enough sleep or too much to drink.  the last 4 attempts have ended this way. this has been a sporadic problem for over 5 years and now seems to the a constant situation every time we attempt to make love.  his last physical was 18 months ago.  he is 48  years old. at his last physical his blood work revealed anitbodies for hepatitus C and an abnormal thyroid.  his dr. only recommended be watchful of both situations, no treatment necessary at the time. i know this is not normal and it is very frustrating.  help?

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Sorry I made no such claim. I posted out of the fact that I know most about my own condition .I therefore draw your attention to this part of the post.                 Prepared by Trevor Bass, volunteer student researcher, and Mark Forrest                 Gordon, M.D., Department of Neurology, Long Island Jewish Medical Center,                 New Hyde Park, NY. Reviewed by Mahlon R. DeLong, M.D., Scientific Director                 of the Dystonia Medical Research Foundation.

               gary: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You have made quite a remarkable study of this syndrome. Would you happen to know what thyroid or parathyroid tests would indicate a disturbance in dystonia and other symptoms such as excessive swelling around the lower face and neck and excessive sweating and A FEELING of general uneasiness. I get the opinion from other peoples postings that you can have thyroid troubles which do not show on regular tests performed by a general M.D. I also know that abnormal thyroid can cause ST. Your friend, Aidan Since I was not really familiar with what this was exactly I thought that others may like to know also.           gary: What is Paroxysmal Dystonia?                 Paroxysmal dystonia refers to relatively brief attacks of dystonic movements and                 postures with a return to normal posture between episodes. It is a form of                 paroxysmal dyskinesias.                 The paroxysmal dyskinesias are movement disorders in which the abnormal                 movements are present only during the attacks. Between the attacks the person is                 generally neurologically normal, and there is no loss of consciousness during the                 attacks.                 The paroxysmal dyskinesias are classified as action-induced (kinesigenic) or                 non-action induced (non-kinesigenic).                 The most common and best recognized paroxysmal dyskinesias are paroxysmal                 kinesigenic choreoathetosis (PKC) and paroxysmal dystonic non-kinesigenic                 choreoathetosis (PDC), also know as paroxysmal dystonia.                 Paroxysmal kinesigenic choreoathetosis consists of debilitating attacks of abnormal                 movements that are triggered by sudden movements, startles, hyperventilation, and                 stress.                 The movements may be choreoathetoid (a nervous disturbance marked by                 involuntary and uncontrollable movements characteristic of chorea and athetosis),                 with flowing, dancelike, or slow writhing features, or dystonic with sustained turning                 or twisting movements. The attacks can even cause the person to fall. Speech can                 sometimes be affected due to dystonia, but there is never any alteration of                 consciousness.                 The attacks may vary in frequency but are generally brief, lasting seconds to five                 minutes. There can be as many as 100 attacks per day. A refractory period lasting                 about five minutes may occur after an attack, during which it is not possible to induce                 another attack. Approximately 50 percent of people with PKC experience a change                 in sensation, such as tightness, numbness, pins and needles, or tingling before the                 attack.                 Paroxysmal dystonic choreathetosis consists of debilitating attacks of primarily                 dystonic movements but can also involve choreathetosis. The attacks range in length                 from minutes to several hours and may occur up to three or four times a day. Attacks                 in PDC can be precipitated by a number of factors, including alcohol, caffeine,                 fatigue, stress, or excitement. The attacks are often preceded by a sensory change                 such as tightness, numbness, pins and needles, or tingling in the affected region.                 The majority of cases of PKC and PDC are idiopathic (of unknown cause) or familial                 (either autosomal dominant or occasionally sporadic).                 The paroxysmal dyskinesias are usually dominantly inherited, but this is not always                 the case. When it is an autosomal dominant disorder, a child of one affected parent                 has a 50 percent chance of having the disorder. A child whose parents both have the                 autosomal dominant PKC or PDC will have a 75 percent chance of inheriting the                 gene for the disorder.                 When it is a sporadic (recessive) inherited disorder, parents who both carry the                 disorder in their genes have a 25 percent chance of passing it on to their children. If                 only one parent is a carrier of the sporadic disorder, his or her child will have a 50                 percent chance of becoming a carrier as well but will not actually have the disorder.                 Even if one does have the genes for this disorder, paroxysmal dystonia will not                 always express itself.                 Secondary causes of the paroxysmal dyskinesias are abnormal blood sugars,                 overactive thyroid, parathyroid disorders, focal seizures, multiple sclerosis,                 encephalitis, head injury, cerebral anoxia, local basal ganglia or thalamic lesions (such                 as strokes or tumors.                 The most common conditions associated with symptomatic or secondary PKC are                 multiple sclerosis and head injury, whereas those with symptomatic PDC are multiple                 sclerosis, and perinatal encephalopathy (i.e., due to anoxia).                 In extremely rare cases PDC may be a manifestation of a psychiatric disorder. This                 diagnosis should be made only by a qualified psychiatric professional. Unfortunately,                 PDC, as well as numerous other poorly understood movement disorders, have been                 too often inappropriately labeled "psychogenic" until the true cause is determined.                 Such a diagnosis not only causes unnecessary suffering but precludes appropriate                 treatment.                 Age of onset of idiopathic (of unknown origin) cases of PKC and PDC is usually in                 childhood, between ages 6 and 16 years, although onset can range from a few                 months to 40 years old. Secondary cases may occur at any age. PKC and PDC                 occur more frequently in men than women.                 The work-up for the paroxysmal dyskinesias can include an electroencephalogram                 (brain wave test), brain image (such as MRI or CT scan), blood chemistries, and                 calcium tests. In the idiopathic forms, these tests are generally normal whereas in the                 secondary forms a focal brain lesion may be found.                 Back to Paroxysmal Dystonias Index                 What are the Current Forms of Treatment?                 Unfortunately at this time, there is no cure for dystonia, but treatments are available.                 Treatment is designed to help the symptoms of spasms, pain, and disturbed posture                 and function.                 The goal of any treatment, including that of paroxysmal dystonia, is to achieve the                 greatest benefits while incurring the fewest risks.                 Our poor understanding of the pathophysiology and biochemistry of PKC and PDC                 makes development of specific therapies difficult. Establishing a satisfactory                 treatments scheme requires patience on the part of both the physician and the patient,                 and treatment should be tailored to the individual person.                 Back to Paroxysmal Dystonias Index                 Medication                 People with paroxysmal kinesigenic choreoathetosis respond best to anticonvulsants                 such as phenytoin, primidone, carbamazepine, phenobarbital, and diazepam. People                 with paroxysmal dystonic choreoathetosis, however, generally have poor responses to                 anticonvulsants. Benzodiazepines, such as clonazepam and oxazepam, the carbonic                 anhydrase inhibitor, acetazolamide, and the anticholinergics may be beneficial for                 PDC.                 The intermittent and transient nature of the paroxysmal dysknesias usually prevents                 the use of therapies like botulinum toxin injections and surgeries in most people.                 Back to Paroxysmal Dystonias Index                 Supportive Forms of Treatment                 Many people have reported that in a stressful situation, symptoms may worsen.                 Unfortunately, it is not possible to get rid of all stress, but a course of stress                 management or relaxation techniques is beneficial.                 By educating yourself with information, you have taken the first step in dealing with                 dystonia. Reassurance from family, friends, and others who have paroxysmal                 dystonia is beneficial. Support groups offer encouragement, camaraderie, and                 information about new treatments and medical advances. The Dystonia Medical                 Research Foundation maintains a network of support groups throughout North                 America.

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Since I was not really familiar with what this was exactly I thought that others may like to know also.           gary: What is Paroxysmal Dystonia?                 Paroxysmal dystonia refers to relatively brief attacks of dystonic movements and                 postures with a return to normal posture between episodes. It is a form of                 paroxysmal dyskinesias.                 The paroxysmal dyskinesias are movement disorders in which the abnormal                 movements are present only during the attacks. Between the attacks the person is                 generally neurologically normal, and there is no loss of consciousness during the                 attacks.                 The paroxysmal dyskinesias are classified as action-induced (kinesigenic) or                 non-action induced (non-kinesigenic).                 The most common and best recognized paroxysmal dyskinesias are paroxysmal                 kinesigenic choreoathetosis (PKC) and paroxysmal dystonic non-kinesigenic                 choreoathetosis (PDC), also know as paroxysmal dystonia.                 Paroxysmal kinesigenic choreoathetosis consists of debilitating attacks of abnormal                 movements that are triggered by sudden movements, startles, hyperventilation, and                 stress.                 The movements may be choreoathetoid (a nervous disturbance marked by                 involuntary and uncontrollable movements characteristic of chorea and athetosis),                 with flowing, dancelike, or slow writhing features, or dystonic with sustained turning                 or twisting movements. The attacks can even cause the person to fall. Speech can                 sometimes be affected due to dystonia, but there is never any alteration of                 consciousness.                 The attacks may vary in frequency but are generally brief, lasting seconds to five                 minutes. There can be as many as 100 attacks per day. A refractory period lasting                 about five minutes may occur after an attack, during which it is not possible to induce                 another attack. Approximately 50 percent of people with PKC experience a change                 in sensation, such as tightness, numbness, pins and needles, or tingling before the                 attack.                 Paroxysmal dystonic choreathetosis consists of debilitating attacks of primarily                 dystonic movements but can also involve choreathetosis. The attacks range in length                 from minutes to several hours and may occur up to three or four times a day. Attacks                 in PDC can be precipitated by a number of factors, including alcohol, caffeine,                 fatigue, stress, or excitement. The attacks are often preceded by a sensory change                 such as tightness, numbness, pins and needles, or tingling in the affected region.                 The majority of cases of PKC and PDC are idiopathic (of unknown cause) or familial                 (either autosomal dominant or occasionally sporadic).                 The paroxysmal dyskinesias are usually dominantly inherited, but this is not always                 the case. When it is an autosomal dominant disorder, a child of one affected parent                 has a 50 percent chance of having the disorder. A child whose parents both have the                 autosomal dominant PKC or PDC will have a 75 percent chance of inheriting the                 gene for the disorder.                 When it is a sporadic (recessive) inherited disorder, parents who both carry the                 disorder in their genes have a 25 percent chance of passing it on to their children. If                 only one parent is a carrier of the sporadic disorder, his or her child will have a 50                 percent chance of becoming a carrier as well but will not actually have the disorder.                 Even if one does have the genes for this disorder, paroxysmal dystonia will not                 always express itself.                 Secondary causes of the paroxysmal dyskinesias are abnormal blood sugars,                 overactive thyroid, parathyroid disorders, focal seizures, multiple sclerosis,                 encephalitis, head injury, cerebral anoxia, local basal ganglia or thalamic lesions (such                 as strokes or tumors.                 The most common conditions associated with symptomatic or secondary PKC are                 multiple sclerosis and head injury, whereas those with symptomatic PDC are multiple                 sclerosis, and perinatal encephalopathy (i.e., due to anoxia).                 In extremely rare cases PDC may be a manifestation of a psychiatric disorder. This                 diagnosis should be made only by a qualified psychiatric professional. Unfortunately,                 PDC, as well as numerous other poorly understood movement disorders, have been                 too often inappropriately labeled "psychogenic" until the true cause is determined.                 Such a diagnosis not only causes unnecessary suffering but precludes appropriate                 treatment.                 Age of onset of idiopathic (of unknown origin) cases of PKC and PDC is usually in                 childhood, between ages 6 and 16 years, although onset can range from a few                 months to 40 years old. Secondary cases may occur at any age. PKC and PDC                 occur more frequently in men than women.                 The work-up for the paroxysmal dyskinesias can include an electroencephalogram                 (brain wave test), brain image (such as MRI or CT scan), blood chemistries, and                 calcium tests. In the idiopathic forms, these tests are generally normal whereas in the                 secondary forms a focal brain lesion may be found.                 Back to Paroxysmal Dystonias Index                 What are the Current Forms of Treatment?                 Unfortunately at this time, there is no cure for dystonia, but treatments are available.                 Treatment is designed to help the symptoms of spasms, pain, and disturbed posture                 and function.                 The goal of any treatment, including that of paroxysmal dystonia, is to achieve the                 greatest benefits while incurring the fewest risks.                 Our poor understanding of the pathophysiology and biochemistry of PKC and PDC                 makes development of specific therapies difficult. Establishing a satisfactory                 treatments scheme requires patience on the part of both the physician and the patient,                 and treatment should be tailored to the individual person.                 Back to Paroxysmal Dystonias Index                 Medication                 People with paroxysmal kinesigenic choreoathetosis respond best to anticonvulsants                 such as phenytoin, primidone, carbamazepine, phenobarbital, and diazepam. People                 with paroxysmal dystonic choreoathetosis, however, generally have poor responses to                 anticonvulsants. Benzodiazepines, such as clonazepam and oxazepam, the carbonic                 anhydrase inhibitor, acetazolamide, and the anticholinergics may be beneficial for                 PDC.                 The intermittent and transient nature of the paroxysmal dysknesias usually prevents                 the use of therapies like botulinum toxin injections and surgeries in most people.                 Back to Paroxysmal Dystonias Index                 Supportive Forms of Treatment                 Many people have reported that in a stressful situation, symptoms may worsen.                 Unfortunately, it is not possible to get rid of all stress, but a course of stress                 management or relaxation techniques is beneficial.                 By educating yourself with information, you have taken the first step in dealing with                 dystonia. Reassurance from family, friends, and others who have paroxysmal                 dystonia is beneficial. Support groups offer encouragement, camaraderie, and                 information about new treatments and medical advances. The Dystonia Medical                 Research Foundation maintains a network of support groups throughout North                 America.                 Though the exact cause of dystonia is unknown, continued research offers hope that                 answers will be found.                 Prepared by Trevor Bass, volunteer student researcher, and Mark Forrest                 Gordon, M.D., Department of Neurology, Long Island Jewish Medical Center,                 New Hyde Park, NY. Reviewed by Mahlon R. DeLong, M.D., Scientific Director                 of the Dystonia Medical Research Foundation.

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I know of a person who has been diagnosed with this dystonia. The definition of paroxysmal according to the dictionary is sudden onset.  The symptom that this person has is not being able to sleep/being woke up from sleep and not being able to get back to sleep.  Have never run across this term in any of the information I have obtained or seen it discussed on this n/g.  Does anyone have any info?

Found the following on the Internet. paroxysmal dystonia My son,  age 5 has been diagnosed with "recessive ataxia of unknown cause with paroxysmal dystonia".  We are trying to learn more about related research and new treatments.  The following is a brief summary of his symptoms: 1)  General ataxia affecting walking and hand control 2)  Infrequent spasms involving muscle contractions in arm/leg, facial/neck movements, contorting of the toes and/or wrist.  The spasms occur on average 1 time per week (range of 1 to 15 days between) and last 15 to 120 minutes. 3)  Drooling 4)  Slightly slowed speech, but apparent retained mental ability 5)  Sensitivity to chocolate and caffeine, which may bring on an episode of spasms within a few hours The first sign of anything abnormal was 12/5/94.  The first 3 episodes involved painful contractions on the right side.  Later episodes have been less intense and usually involve the left side. We are currently working with Dr. Michael Katz, of San Jose. If you have any leads or interest in this case please contact me at

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I know of a person who has been diagnosed with this dystonia. The definition of  paroxysmal according to the dictionary is sudden onset.  The symptom that this  person has is not being able to sleep/being woke up from sleep and not being  able to get back to sleep.  Have never run across this term in any of the  information I have obtained or seen it discussed on this n/g.  Does anyone  have any info?

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Same here….   *sigh* I always think I have something wrong with me.  Some ailment of some sort or another that makes me feel the way I do.  I have tried lots of different doctors, chiropractors, and the like as if I am on some mysterious quest. One such "quack" talked me into buying $70 worth of herbal treatments and powders to be taken on a daily basis.  You see the answer to all of my ailments was that my body was not functioning properly.  These $70 little packets and bottles were the answer to everything.  I would lose weight.  My energy level would sky rocket.  No more head aches.  More restful sleep. All that for $70?  Sounded pretty cheap to me.  The "tasty" concoction was to cleanse the impurities of my body so it could function more efficiently. Well cleanse it did…I had diarrhea so bad that I couldn’t go to work for two days. At another point, I had several tests run on my Thyroid because I was certain that an abnormal Thyroid was the answer.  Who knew there was absolutely nothing wrong with my Thyroid??  Imagine that. I have even gone so far as to have a tonsillectomy and septoplasty.   I was convinced that my problems were the result of Sleep Apnea.  I was not sleeping well at night due to a lack of oxygen to my brain….therefore causing me to have strange thoughts and not be able to think clearly…etc. etc. etc.  Sleep Apnea was not the answer either.  On a positive note, the surgeries did improve my breathing therefore resulting in improved sleep however the "problem" remained.   . The list goes on and on. I think though after all my travels I have finally found the answer….its just another aspect of my OCD. And you know…I find that strangely comforting to a point. TEN "naomi" <nm…@execulink.com

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Ditto. I’m one hell of a hypochondriac. I wonder how many different cancers a person can have at once, cause I’m sure I obsess about most of them. naomi On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:51:35 -0500, "Bill & Ida Kern" <clooney…@mindspring.com wrote: Yes, I am a mild hypochondriac too. I used to be worse but working in a hospital has taught me a lot so I know what to worry about and what not

to. > >If I really am freaking, I can ask one of the docs for advice. > >Ida > >Aimee Harms <ai…@starpower.net

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> >news:86mtqj$jf8$1@bob.news.rcn.net… > >> Hi Carol- I sometimes have fears along this line. When I get severe > >> headaches/sinus infections I fear I have a tumor or that I am gonna have

an aneurysm or something. Or when I am really congested in my lungs…I

fear

that maybe I have a tumor or pneumonia. Sometimes when I watch the news and I hear about these outbreak of viruses, etc…I think that I have it

too

because I think that I suffer the same symptoms. When I go to the doc’s

I > >> pray that they give me an MRI or an xray to find out if I do. > >> Aimee > >> Carol <Cyber-Ch…@worldnet.att.net

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> >> news:86lpk0$op2$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net… > >> > I’d like to hear from anyone that suffers from hypochondriasis; please

respond via e-mail. Carol

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 03:17:11 GMT, "TEN" <tali…@hotmail.com

wrote:

 <snip

At another point, I had several tests run on my Thyroid because I was certain that an abnormal Thyroid was the answer.  Who knew there was absolutely nothing wrong with my Thyroid??  Imagine that.

Actually, this is seriously not a bad idea. Thyroid abnormalities can cause all KINDS of symptoms. Particularly if you have depression as well, getting your thyroid checked is a very good idea, as you are then a LOT more treatable. naomi (i should practice what i preach, haven’t had a thyroid test yet)

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Naomi, I had a thyroid test last year just part of a yearly physical and would you know I have hypo-thyroid. Get tested!!!!!!!!!! Annmarie The brown eyed lady

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Go to:  http://aquarianctr.org/altmed/hypochondria.html Your site was given to a group:  alt.discuss.health.toxicity If you can reach us – come on in – we’re a website…

Alternative Medicine Member – Allexperts.com The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest hispatients in the care of the human frame in diet, and in the cause andprevention of disease” -Thomas Edison (1847-1931)

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OK! naomi On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:40:09 -0700 (MST), MAMi…@webtv.net (M+A B.) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Naomi, I had a thyroid test last year just part of a yearly physical and would you know I have hypo-thyroid. Get tested!!!!!!!!!! Annmarie The brown eyed lady

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Naomi, Great, now go get one, Hypo-thyroid causes depression and if you are depressed already some of it could be your thyroid . Good Luck, Annmarie The brown eyed lady

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Thanks Annmarie. naomi On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:29:08 -0700 (MST), MAMi…@webtv.net (M+A B.) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Naomi, Great, now go get one, Hypo-thyroid causes depression and if you are depressed already some of it could be your thyroid . Good Luck, Annmarie The brown eyed lady

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Hi Carol, I was a very bad hypochondriac for most of my life but since being on meds, I’m not as obsessed about dying of a horrible disease as I use to be.  I feared cancer, aids, gangrene, heart attacks (I had open heart surgery when I was a kid) and flesh eating disease.   I still fear some of them, but they don’t consume my life as much except for the flesh eating disease.  I tend to pick my fingers and when they start to bleed and I don’t disinfect the area with alcohol right away, I fear that I’m going to get flesh eating disease and it’s in the back of my mind for at least an hour or two (if I’m nowhere near some kind of antiseptic). Regards, Nance   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Carol wrote:

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Hi, We haven’t been hearing in the news lately much about the flesh-eating bacteria.  I wonder if maybe it’s not as prevalent as it once was.   When I don’t hear about it, I don’t obsess. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Hi Carol, I was a very bad hypochondriac for most of my life but since being on meds, I’m not as obsessed about dying of a horrible disease as I use to be.  I feared cancer, aids, gangrene, heart attacks (I had open heart surgery when I was a kid) and flesh eating disease.   I still fear some of them, but they don’t consume my life as much except for the flesh eating disease.  I tend to pick my fingers and when they start to bleed and I don’t disinfect the area with alcohol right away, I fear that I’m going to get flesh eating disease and it’s in the back of my mind for at least an hour or two (if I’m nowhere near some kind of antiseptic). Regards, Nance   Carol wrote: I’d like to hear from anyone that suffers from hypochondriasis; please respond via e-mail. Carol

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Ditto. I’m one hell of a hypochondriac. I wonder how many different cancers a person can have at once, cause I’m sure I obsess about most of them. naomi On Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:51:35 -0500, "Bill & Ida Kern" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<clooney…@mindspring.com

wrote: Yes, I am a mild hypochondriac too. I used to be worse but working in a hospital has taught me a lot so I know what to worry about and what not to. If I really am freaking, I can ask one of the docs for advice. Ida Aimee Harms <ai…@starpower.net wrote in message news:86mtqj$jf8$1@bob.news.rcn.net… Hi Carol- I sometimes have fears along this line. When I get severe headaches/sinus infections I fear I have a tumor or that I am gonna have an aneurysm or something. Or when I am really congested in my lungs…I fear that maybe I have a tumor or pneumonia. Sometimes when I watch the news and I hear about these outbreak of viruses, etc…I think that I have it too because I think that I suffer the same symptoms. When I go to the doc’s I pray that they give me an MRI or an xray to find out if I do. Aimee Carol <Cyber-Ch…@worldnet.att.net wrote in message news:86lpk0$op2$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net… I’d like to hear from anyone that suffers from hypochondriasis; please respond via e-mail. Carol

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Hi Carol- I sometimes have fears along this line. When I get severe headaches/sinus infections I fear I have a tumor or that I am gonna have an aneurysm or something. Or when I am really congested in my lungs…I fear that maybe I have a tumor or pneumonia. Sometimes when I watch the news and I hear about these outbreak of viruses, etc…I think that I have it too because I think that I suffer the same symptoms. When I go to the doc’s I pray that they give me an MRI or an xray to find out if I do. Aimee Carol <Cyber-Ch…@worldnet.att.net

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Yes, I am a mild hypochondriac too. I used to be worse but working in a hospital has taught me a lot so I know what to worry about and what not to. If I really am freaking, I can ask one of the docs for advice. Ida Aimee Harms <ai…@starpower.net

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Hi Carol- I sometimes have fears along this line. When I get severe headaches/sinus infections I fear I have a tumor or that I am gonna have

an

aneurysm or something. Or when I am really congested in my lungs…I fear that maybe I have a tumor or pneumonia. Sometimes when I watch the news

and > I hear about these outbreak of viruses, etc…I think that I have it too > because I think that I suffer the same symptoms. When I go to the doc’s I > pray that they give me an MRI or an xray to find out if I do. > Aimee > Carol <Cyber-Ch…@worldnet.att.net

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> news:86lpk0$op2$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net… > > I’d like to hear from anyone that suffers from hypochondriasis; please > > respond via e-mail. > > Carol

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I’d like to hear from anyone that suffers from hypochondriasis; please respond via e-mail. Carol

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tim <tim_…@ihug.co.nz

wrote:

: Get drysol, or hydrosol as its called here. Nothing else works, nothing from : the supermarket even comes close. This stuff is usually prescription but its : worth the hassle. Believe me when i say u will never have to worry about : perspiration again!!! It’s a solution of aluminium chloride. If you want this Drysol but can’t deal with doctors, you could conceivably develop a homebrew version by getting the aluminium chloride from a chem supply place online. But this topical solution will solve the hyperhidrosis but not fix the underlying problem of an overactive sympathetic nervous system. If I had the hyperhidrosis but was not shy, I would develop the homebrew Drysol. But since I have the shyness problem too, that’s why I want the sympathectomy done. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4965762 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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tim <tim_…@ihug.co.nz wrote: : Get drysol, or hydrosol as its called here. Nothing else works, nothing

from

: the supermarket even comes close. This stuff is usually prescription but

its

: worth the hassle. Believe me when i say u will never have to worry about : perspiration again!!! It’s a solution of aluminium chloride. If you want this Drysol but can’t deal with doctors, you could conceivably develop a homebrew version by getting the aluminium chloride from a chem supply place online.

LOL, just deal with the doctor. Take about 10m max, they are health professionals, they understand it. The most that they will do is take some blood (to check for abnormal thyroid functioning) and ask a few questions, like how long this has been going on for and whether u have sweaty feet, etc. My god, I urge all who sweat alot to bite the bullet and just go to the doctors!

But this topical solution will solve the hyperhidrosis but not fix the underlying problem of an overactive sympathetic nervous system. If I had the hyperhidrosis but was not shy, I would develop the homebrew Drysol. But since I have the shyness problem too, that’s why I want the sympathectomy done.

Overactive… blah! nah, most people just sweat because they’re nervous, I find I hardly even need it now because i don’t sweat in social situations any more because I don’t find them stressful (i actually quite enjoy them now, ehehehe). It was self perpetuating before. Like i would think i was sweating, then i would get nervous which would make me sweat more, hence making me more nervous, which would …etc etc. LOL…ahh funny to laugh at now i guess symp… blah! that is overkill!!! Tip for dealing with life:       Don’t project your thoughts inwards!!! I suspect those of u who have read books on shyness and stuff will know exactly what i mean

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Get drysol, or hydrosol as its called here. Nothing else works, nothing from the supermarket even comes close. This stuff is usually prescription but its worth the hassle. Believe me when i say u will never have to worry about perspiration again!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<ren…@dave-world.net

wrote in message news:84m2di$m56$1@nnrp1.deja.com… I’m finding, more and more, that I plan my wardrobe around my work schedule so as to ensure I’m wearing "perspiration-proof" clothing on stressful days.  For example, if I have a meeting with people outside my usual work group or anticipate needing to defend my work, I plan to wear a jacket of some kind, or at least a dark sweater. If I don’t follow my gut instinct and wear just a blouse with no jacket, I’m sure to start dripping and then have to be super conscious to try to conceal it…Regular antipersperants don’t help and it sometimes seems that it just makes it worse.  Maybe because they usually don’t work if you apply when you’re already perspiring… Anyway, it’s extremely embarrassing – I’ve heard that there are "prescription antiperspirants".  Does anyone know how, and how well they work? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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YeYaH!! "Bloody Viking" <nos…@masu.wwa.com

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LOL!!!   Get motivated and live life a little Challenge. Noun 1. A demanding or stimulating situation 2. A call to engage in a contest or fight 3. Questioning a statement and demanding an explanation "Bloody Viking" <nos…@masu.wwa.com

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tim <tim_…@ihug.co.nz wrote: : Tip of the day: "It just doesn’t matter" : small talk, mistakes, regrets, etc etc etc…who cares? move on,

challenge

: yourself everyday But it might help to drop a hit of Xanax! (or other anxiety drug) Drugs aside, do you REALLY think "challenging yourself" every day will ever do good? We all do that every day at work… snd notice how it’s not working for anyone. It’s obvious as the day is long that exposure therapy does not work. Consider Donny Osmond. He’s been performing since childhood, but recently started getting panic attacks during performances. If anything, it was exposure that triggered the shyness. Exposure therapy would be like trying to remove a bullet from your leg by shooting a second bullet in the opposite direction in the hopes that it will be removed a la billiard balls. Also, something like CBT or social skills training won’t work. Consider how in an acting class, they teach how auditions are normally done. Now, try going to a real audition after the mock auditions. It might be the same procedure, but becuse it’s the real-deal, the training does no good. And someone with an anxiety problem will have an impossible time relaxing, so relaxation techniques ang hypnosis will not work either. And even if you could relax, in a job interview you wouldn’t be able to say "Excuse, but I need 10 minutes to meditate before answering that question" without ending up without the job. In other words, if you need meds, you will need them for life, just like a blood pressure patient. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4965762 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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pRoZaC need i say more?!? "Bloody Viking" <nos…@masu.wwa.com

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tim <tim_…@ihug.co.nz wrote: : Tip of the day: "It just doesn’t matter" : small talk, mistakes, regrets, etc etc etc…who cares? move on,

challenge

: yourself everyday But it might help to drop a hit of Xanax! (or other anxiety drug) Drugs aside, do you REALLY think "challenging yourself" every day will ever do good? We all do that every day at work… snd notice how it’s not working for anyone. It’s obvious as the day is long that exposure therapy does not work. Consider Donny Osmond. He’s been performing since childhood, but recently started getting panic attacks during performances. If anything, it was exposure that triggered the shyness. Exposure therapy would be like trying to remove a bullet from your leg by shooting a second bullet in the opposite direction in the hopes that it will be removed a la billiard balls. Also, something like CBT or social skills training won’t work. Consider how in an acting class, they teach how auditions are normally done. Now, try going to a real audition after the mock auditions. It might be the same procedure, but becuse it’s the real-deal, the training does no good. And someone with an anxiety problem will have an impossible time relaxing, so relaxation techniques ang hypnosis will not work either. And even if you could relax, in a job interview you wouldn’t be able to say "Excuse, but I need 10 minutes to meditate before answering that question" without ending up without the job. In other words, if you need meds, you will need them for life, just like a blood pressure patient. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4965762 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Michael Snyder wrote:

Well, but look — I perspire WAY more when I dance than I do when I work out at the gym.  That kind of perspiring isn’t based on the body’s needs, it’s at least partly nervous.  Surely cutting down on it couldn’t hurt me?

So do I.  When I dance, I get drenched. Obviously, it’s your body, and your decision.  But dancing to me is much more aerobic than anything I’ve done at the gym.  While dancing, I frequently get the "second wind" phenomenon–I never get that at the gym. I’m going to let myself sweat–I figure that when the body does something that dramatic, it probably has some idea what it’s doing. -Eric "It’s actually kind of fun to do the impossible."  -Walt Disney

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nah they don’t work by cloging up the sweat pores… But yeah…not a good idea to apply them all over. Tip of the day: "It just doesn’t matter" small talk, mistakes, regrets, etc etc etc…who cares? move on, challenge yourself everyday "Eric Pepke" <pe…@gnv.fdt.net

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, shanihn wrote: Certian-Dry is a strong aluminum chloride anti-perspirant.  It used to be perscription only, but is now available over-the-counter.  The one I use is a roll-on that you apply at night.  I’m not aware of anything that can be used over a large area of the body, although a "home-brew" is mentioned here.  I don’t know if I would advise using it all over your body, as it is quite strong, and can cause irritation. All of the aluminum salt anti-perspirants work by clogging up the sweat glands with gunk.  It would be a very bad idea to use them all over the body, not necessarily because of irritation (which can occur) but because perspiration is a necessary bodily function and should probably not be stopped. -Eric "It’s actually kind of fun to do the impossible."  -Walt Disney

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On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, tim wrote:

nah they don’t work by cloging up the sweat pores…

Yeah, they do, at least they do if my Chemistry prof at MIT had anything on the ball. He was an amusing guy–he used to say that when we got an ice-cream cone we should only pay half-price, because it’s a half-cone. -Eric "It’s actually kind of fun to do the impossible."  -Walt Disney

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Eric Pepke <pe…@gnv.fdt.net

wrote:

: All of the aluminum salt anti-perspirants work by clogging up the sweat : glands with gunk.  It would be a very bad idea to use them all over the : body, not necessarily because of irritation (which can occur) but because : perspiration is a necessary bodily function and should probably not be : stopped. That is a hazard of trying to use Certain-Dry (or homebrew thereof) over large areas of the body. It’s like how people who take atropine run the risk of heatstroke from drug-induced non-sweating. It’s also a hazard of when people have no sweat glands. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4965762 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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tim <tim_…@ihug.co.nz

wrote:

: Tip of the day: "It just doesn’t matter" : small talk, mistakes, regrets, etc etc etc…who cares? move on, challenge : yourself everyday But it might help to drop a hit of Xanax! (or other anxiety drug) Drugs aside, do you REALLY think "challenging yourself" every day will ever do good? We all do that every day at work… snd notice how it’s not working for anyone. It’s obvious as the day is long that exposure therapy does not work. Consider Donny Osmond. He’s been performing since childhood, but recently started getting panic attacks during performances. If anything, it was exposure that triggered the shyness. Exposure therapy would be like trying to remove a bullet from your leg by shooting a second bullet in the opposite direction in the hopes that it will be removed a la billiard balls. Also, something like CBT or social skills training won’t work. Consider how in an acting class, they teach how auditions are normally done. Now, try going to a real audition after the mock auditions. It might be the same procedure, but becuse it’s the real-deal, the training does no good. And someone with an anxiety problem will have an impossible time relaxing, so relaxation techniques ang hypnosis will not work either. And even if you could relax, in a job interview you wouldn’t be able to say "Excuse, but I need 10 minutes to meditate before answering that question" without ending up without the job. In other words, if you need meds, you will need them for life, just like a blood pressure patient. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4965762 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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Eric Pepke wrote in message …

On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, shanihn wrote: Certian-Dry is a strong aluminum chloride anti-perspirant.  It used to be perscription only, but is now available over-the-counter.  The one I use is a roll-on that you apply at night.  I’m not aware of anything that can be used over a large area of the body, although a "home-brew" is mentioned here.  I don’t know if I would advise using it all over your body, as it is quite strong, and can cause irritation. All of the aluminum salt anti-perspirants work by clogging up the sweat glands with gunk.  It would be a very bad idea to use them all over the body, not necessarily because of irritation (which can occur) but because perspiration is a necessary bodily function and should probably not be stopped.

Well, but look — I perspire WAY more when I dance than I do when I work out at the gym.  That kind of perspiring isn’t based on the body’s needs, it’s at least partly nervous.  Surely cutting down on it couldn’t hurt me?

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, shanihn wrote:

Certian-Dry is a strong aluminum chloride anti-perspirant.  It used to be perscription only, but is now available over-the-counter.  The one I use is a roll-on that you apply at night.  I’m not aware of anything that can be used over a large area of the body, although a "home-brew" is mentioned here.  I don’t know if I would advise using it all over your body, as it is quite strong, and can cause irritation.

All of the aluminum salt anti-perspirants work by clogging up the sweat glands with gunk.  It would be a very bad idea to use them all over the body, not necessarily because of irritation (which can occur) but because perspiration is a necessary bodily function and should probably not be stopped. -Eric "It’s actually kind of fun to do the impossible."  -Walt Disney

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shanihn <smullinaxNOsmS…@sprynet.com.invalid

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: I use Certain-Dry.  My perspiration is just naturally copious. After the ETS job, if my feet are sweaty, I’ll use aluminium chloride in a homebrew version of Certain-Dry. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4965762 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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, "Michael

Snyder" <msny…@ispchannel.com

wrote: Pardon my ignorance — what’s Certain-Dry? I have a problem with copious perspiration when I dance; not just the under-arms, but my whole upper body.  It would certainly be nice to find some sort of anti-perspirant lotion that could be used over a large area of the body.

Certian-Dry is a strong aluminum chloride anti-perspirant.  It used to be perscription only, but is now available over-the-counter.  The one I use is a roll-on that you apply at night.  I’m not aware of anything that can be used over a large area of the body, although a "home-brew" is mentioned here.  I don’t know if I would advise using it all over your body, as it is quite strong, and can cause irritation. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Bloody Viking wrote in message …

shanihn <smullinaxNOsmS…@sprynet.com.invalid wrote: : I use Certain-Dry.  My perspiration is just naturally copious. After the ETS job, if my feet are sweaty, I’ll use aluminium chloride in a homebrew version of Certain-Dry.

Pardon my ignorance — what’s Certain-Dry? I have a problem with copious perspiration when I dance; not just the under-arms, but my whole upper body.  It would certainly be nice to find some sort of anti-perspirant lotion that could be used over a large area of the body.

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Yes, fellow-secreters, it’s no fun, as if it isn’t enough to have to cop being the ‘S’ word, soaking wet armpits, errk!  just one more way life has of sticking it in & breaking it off.  I had a surgical procedure to help with this & never regretted having it done.  It hasn’t entirely stopped the problem but it is so much reduced that it is no longer a problem & as a bonus, being a girl, I don’t have to shave my armpits these days as the tissue removed included the bulk of the hair-bearing follicles, bonus! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -tim wrote in message <947044000.980…@ham.ihug.co.nz

… "Bloody Viking" <nos…@miles.wwa.com wrote in message news:wCUb4.2778$h3.76458@ord-read.news.verio.net… tim <tim_…@ihug.co.nz wrote: : Get drysol, or hydrosol as its called here. Nothing else

works, nothing

from : the supermarket even comes close. This stuff is usually

prescription but

its : worth the hassle. Believe me when i say u will never have

to worry about

: perspiration again!!! It’s a solution of aluminium chloride. If you want this

Drysol but can’t

deal with doctors, you could conceivably develop a homebrew

version by

getting the aluminium chloride from a chem supply place

online.

LOL, just deal with the doctor. Take about 10m max, they are

health

professionals, they understand it. The most that they will do

is take some

blood (to check for abnormal thyroid functioning) and ask a few

questions,

like how long this has been going on for and whether u have

sweaty feet,

etc. My god, I urge all who sweat alot to bite the bullet and just

go to the

doctors! But this topical solution will solve the hyperhidrosis but

not fix the

underlying problem of an overactive sympathetic nervous

system. If I had

the hyperhidrosis but was not shy, I would develop the

homebrew Drysol.

But since I have the shyness problem too, that’s why I want

the

sympathectomy done. Overactive… blah! nah, most people just sweat because they’re

nervous, I

find I hardly even need it now because i don’t sweat in social

situations

any more because I don’t find them stressful (i actually quite

enjoy them

now, ehehehe). It was self perpetuating before. Like i would think i was

sweating, then i

would get nervous which would make me sweat more, hence making

me more

nervous, which would …etc etc. LOL…ahh funny to laugh at

now i guess

symp… blah! that is overkill!!! Tip for dealing with life:       Don’t project your thoughts

inwards!!!

I suspect those of u who have read books on shyness and stuff

will know

exactly what i mean

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I use Certain-Dry.  My perspiration is just naturally copious. Certian-Dry is used at night, and really keeps my perspiration under control.  Before I found it, I ruined so many clothes.  I can usually find it at Wal-Greens drug stores. In article <20000101190903.15117.00000…@ng-fw1.aol.com

,

cf1791…@aol.com (CF1791118) wrote:

There’s an antipersperant called "Certain-Dry."  It’s basically a super-antipersperant.  In my area, it’s hard to find, but it is OTC.  Works really well.

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Tip for dealing with life:       Don’t project your thoughts inwards!!! I suspect those of u who have read books on shyness and stuff will know exactly what i mean

We all know exactly what you mean;-)

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: LOL, just deal with the doctor. Take about 10m max, they are health : professionals, they understand it. The most that they will do is take some : blood (to check for abnormal thyroid functioning) and ask a few questions, : like how long this has been going on for and whether u have sweaty feet, : etc. I got my thyroid checked. It’s normal. Otherwise, I would have made it into a glass parking lot with radioactive iodine. (I-131) — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4965762 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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I’m finding, more and more, that I plan my wardrobe around my work schedule so as to ensure I’m wearing "perspiration-proof" clothing on stressful days.  For example, if I have a meeting with people outside my usual work group or anticipate needing to defend my work, I plan to wear a jacket of some kind, or at least a dark sweater. If I don’t follow my gut instinct and wear just a blouse with no jacket, I’m sure to start dripping and then have to be super conscious to try to conceal it…Regular antipersperants don’t help and it sometimes seems that it just makes it worse.  Maybe because they usually don’t work if you apply when you’re already perspiring… Anyway, it’s extremely embarrassing – I’ve heard that there are "prescription antiperspirants".  Does anyone know how, and how well they work? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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There’s an antipersperant called "Certain-Dry."  It’s basically a super-antipersperant.  In my area, it’s hard to find, but it is OTC.  Works really well.

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ren…@dave-world.net wrote:

: I’m finding, more and more, that I plan my wardrobe around my work : schedule so as to ensure I’m wearing "perspiration-proof" clothing on : stressful days.  For example, if I have a meeting with people outside : my usual work group or anticipate needing to defend my work, I plan to : wear a jacket of some kind, or at least a dark sweater. : If I don’t follow my gut instinct and wear just a blouse with no : jacket, I’m sure to start dripping and then have to be super conscious : to try to conceal it…Regular antipersperants don’t help and it : sometimes seems that it just makes it worse.  Maybe because they : usually don’t work if you apply when you’re already perspiring… : Anyway, it’s extremely embarrassing – I’ve heard that there are : "prescription antiperspirants".  Does anyone know how, and how well : they work? I have always fought the problem by staying cold on purpose. I’m a real-life Mr. Freeze as a result. Until you get ETS done, refrigeration is your friend. I have always depended on refrigeration to prevent the sweating problem. If people came with manuals upon birth, mine would have said "operate in a cool dry place". Winter is a good source of cold to cut down on the sweating, and you’ll need to learn how to use it a la Mr. Freeze. As it stands, I need to develop A/C clothing for my mission to Texas to get my ETS job done. Being a Mr. Freeze sucks. When you are a Mr. Freeze, it’s always "summer" – even in the dead of winter, due to normal people wanting to set the heat too high. — Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, ‘227, any and all unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US.  E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms.

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  ren…@dave-world.net wrote:

I’m finding, more and more, that I plan my wardrobe around my work schedule so as to ensure I’m wearing "perspiration-proof" clothing on stressful days.  For example, if I have a meeting with people outside my usual work group or anticipate needing to defend my work, I plan to wear a jacket of some kind, or at least a dark sweater. If I don’t follow my gut instinct and wear just a blouse with no jacket, I’m sure to start dripping and then have to be super conscious to try to conceal it…Regular antipersperants don’t help and it sometimes seems that it just makes it worse.  Maybe because they usually don’t work if you apply when you’re already perspiring…

If that is the case, try a spray. — Joe Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Anyway, I thought it was Type I people who were typically thin.

Nope. T2s also often have weight loss prior to diagnosis.  Too much glucose in the blood causes the kidneys to dump excess (over 150 or so, depending on the individual) into the bladder and out in urine. (In the middle ages, diabetes was diagnosed by the sweet taste.  And you think your doctor has unpleasant tasks today?) What it means is that the food you eat is immediately tossed, and so the energy to run the body has to come from somewhere.  Fat burning being the next best thing.  Except for the ketones… So you pee constantly, lose weight and have sweet breath. In my case – a year ago Friday – the 20 lbs I dropped in the last three weeks before diagnosis, left me about only about 10lbs overweight.   It all depends on where you start and how fast the onset is… —–Burton — My life is lived soley for the support of the cats! The cat is not part of my e-mail address

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RE: Weight loss: I was down to 57 pounds when I was diagnosed.  Weight loss was certainly a symptom for me.  (Keep in mind that I was younger and smaller…my ideal weight for the time was around 70-75lb.)  Has something to do with your body breaking down fat reserves to feed itself (ketones).

I could’ve lived with the loss of the fat Mookie, but when the fat disappeared (all 10-15lbs of it) and I was STILL losing weight, but now it was my muscles that were disappearing, I got seriously concerned that this "Eat and Piss" diet wasn’t exactly what I was looking for:-) In 6 weeks I dropped from 196lbs to 120lbs and my waist went from a nice 36" to a VERY nice 28". I didn’t have a THING to wear:-) Now I’m stable (and have been for 10 years) at 165lb on a 5′10" bod. Beav

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Just to add to this, and correct one misstatement: losing weight IS one of the classic symptons, at least for Type 2’s,and I believe that, together with feeling bad as you describe, indicate you should see a doctor promptly.   But keep in mind you can turn this around if it is diabetes, so don’t despair.

Oh yeah, the glorious three weeks before diagnosis.  Eating everything in sight, drinking gallons of water a day, peeing every thirty minutes all night and having 20 pounds melt off. Can it be a year now?  Wow… See the doctor.  Be a pest about the symptoms and make sure they test for diabetes AND other likely problems. —–Burton T2 8/14/1999 – Diet & Exercise since 11/1998 – waiting for the latest HgbA1c (drawn Saturday) — My life is lived soley for the support of the cats! The cat is not part of my e-mail address

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Thanks to all that answered.  Yes, I will be running, not walking, to my doc –Sherm

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I would suggest that you RUN, not walk to your doctor and tell him/her what you have just told us.  This sounds like the situation I was in for about nine mouths prior to being diagnosed with Type II.  When it was discovered, I had a BG of 400 and A1C of 12.1.  Not good.

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RE: Weight loss: I was down to 57 pounds when I was diagnosed.  Weight loss was certainly a symptom for me.  (Keep in mind that I was younger and smaller…my ideal weight for the time was around 70-75lb.)  Has something to do with your body breaking down fat reserves to feed itself (ketones). — ~ Mookie ~ T1 since 10/80, MDI – Humalog & NPH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "J" == "JungleDDD" writes: J Just to add to this, and correct one misstatement: losing weight IS one of J the J classic symptons, at least for Type 2’s,and I believe that, together J with J feeling bad as you describe, indicate you should see a doctor J promptly. But keep in mind you can turn this around if it is diabetes, so J don’t despair. I was diagnosed about 3 weeks ago. I was getting a bit on the chubby side over the years. But after the hospital gave me some preliminary dietary suggestions (I’m starting an eight-week diabetes management course tomorrow) I followed it and lost 12 lbs in two weeks. Much too quickly. But…hmm…I wasn’t hungry or missing any sweets or anything. Maybe I have good will power or something. Anyway, I thought it was Type I people who were typically thin. Bob — * Associate Professor of Horn/Theory/Composition * *  Lionel Hampton School of Music/Univ of Idaho  * * USDA Zone 5 http://www.uidaho.edu/~dickow/     *

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Just to add to this, and correct one misstatement: losing weight IS one of the classic symptons, at least for Type 2’s,and I believe that, together with feeling bad as you describe, indicate you should see a doctor promptly.   But keep in mind you can turn this around if it is diabetes, so don’t despair.

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"J" == "JungleDDD" writes:

J Just to add to this, and correct one misstatement: losing weight IS one of J the J classic symptons, at least for Type 2’s,and I believe that, together J with J feeling bad as you describe, indicate you should see a doctor J promptly. But keep in mind you can turn this around if it is diabetes, so J don’t despair. I was diagnosed about 3 weeks ago. I was getting a bit on the chubby side over the years. But after the hospital gave me some preliminary dietary suggestions (I’m starting an eight-week diabetes management course tomorrow) I followed it and lost 12 lbs in two weeks. Much too quickly. But…hmm…I wasn’t hungry or missing any sweets or anything. Maybe I have good will power or something. Anyway, I thought it was Type I people who were typically thin. Bob — * Associate Professor of Horn/Theory/Composition * *  Lionel Hampton School of Music/Univ of Idaho  * * USDA Zone 5 http://www.uidaho.edu/~dickow/     *

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Get thee to a doctor quickly! All these _can_ be symptoms of diabetes. About the only ones you have left out are unquenchable thirst and frequent urination. Why screw around? Nobody here can diagnose you on our computer monitors. Go get some tests done. For more info visit http://www.diabetes.org/ Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys and gals.  I think something is up regarding my blood sugar, but I don’t know what.  I’m usually tired, and throught the day I crave sweets or foods high in carbohydrates.  But once I consume sugar or carbos, I’m even more tired and can’t concentrate.  Over the last 18 months I’ve lost 15 pounds without change in diet or appetite, and I look a little sickly.  I know these aren’t classic diabetes symptoms, but I know something isn’t right.  If anyone has had a similar experience, I’d greatly appreciate the input. Thanks, Sherm

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Hi guys and gals.  I think something is up regarding my blood sugar, but I don’t know what.  I’m usually tired, and throught the day I crave sweets or foods high in carbohydrates.  But once I consume sugar or carbos, I’m even more tired and can’t concentrate.  Over the last 18 months I’ve lost 15 pounds without change in diet or appetite, and I look a little sickly.  I know these aren’t classic diabetes symptoms, but I know something isn’t right.  If anyone has had a similar experience, I’d greatly appreciate the input. Thanks, Sherm

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There are many conditions that can look that way.  You may have diabetes, but it would not be the first thing that would come to my mind.  The typical diabetic symptoms are excessive thirst, frequent urination and excessive hunger.  The first thing I thought was that you had abnormal thyroid hormone levels, or your diet is not correct and you have a deficiency in something. Best thing to do is go talk to a doctor.  They are the only ones that can diagnose this stuff for you.  That weight loss is concerning to me and I think you really need to talk that over with your doctor.

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Sherm… I’m sure I’ll be the first of many to say:  Go see your doctor. Good luck! Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi guys and gals.  I think something is up regarding my blood sugar, but I don’t know what.  I’m usually tired, and throught the day I crave sweets or foods high in carbohydrates.  But once I consume sugar or carbos, I’m even more tired and can’t concentrate.  Over the last 18 months I’ve lost 15 pounds without change in diet or appetite, and I look a little sickly.  I know these aren’t classic diabetes symptoms, but I know something isn’t right.  If anyone has had a similar experience, I’d greatly appreciate the input. Thanks, Sherm

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