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We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon.
Sherry — if you don’t have insurance — did someone mention that WalMart has a good meter and their strips are pretty cheap? Good luck. bj
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged.
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: I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the : last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was : probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. NOT GOOD : : I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I : need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. NOT GOOD : : We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical : bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. You do not want to rack up medical bills but yet you dont test your sugar, you dont watch what you eat. seems to me you are taking the path to high medical bills. : : I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice : cold Coke. was it diet coke? i am thinking NO… NOT GOOD : : I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. : It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. NOT GOOD : : I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Pretty high price to pay for eating the wrong way? kinda takes the fun out of not watching what you eat. Can anyone : tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period : of time and NOT have damage? From what i know..IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD. :What would the symptoms be? i am sure someone will tell you the symptoms. however they will be the least of your problems Is it possible : for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? YES. start by not drinking coke unless it is diet. you only told us one meal wonder what your other meals and snacks look like. Any advice? where do you live that you do not have health insurance? : : Thank you!
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Julie, I know I haven’t been smart about how I have handled my health, I am really just trying to find the courage inside to make the damned doctor appointment. I need some kind of positive moral support and don’t know where to find it. I need to find some encouragement to do the right thing. I am 34 years old and have 2 young children. I feel like the biggest loser
Not Julie, (sorry) Well I am a little older, and have no kids myself, so I can’t comment on that, but I know the rest of the feelings. Amongst my other ailments, I am agoraphobic with a side of bi-polar disorder. The one benefit I did have,( and quite the benefit it is I’ll tell ya) is having T1, and T2 on both sides of my family tree, so that, in and of itself, held no particular fear for me. My teeth were one of my things. I had so many abcesses, tooth aches, lost fillings, and everything else wrong with my teeth, that I never smiled, and I was afraid to go to the dentist because I was afraid of what he or she would think of me. Got so bad I had to go eventually, and ended up having all but 5 teeth pulled. No fun I assure you. and am SO depressed! I don’t know if I can mentally face my doctor at all! I feel like they all look down on me because I have been so careless. I am not here looking for tough love, just some advice. I feel like going to the doctor now is just hopeless and she will just give me a bad diagnosis. After reading your reply, I feel even more stupid about going back to the doctor. I am sure she will share your opinion. I wish to god my kids were older, because if they were, I wouldn’t give a rats crap about just dying.
In some of my lower moments, I think the only thing keeping me alive, is that my mom is 78 and I couldn’t put her through it. I still think sometimes, that when she goes, I go, and even rationalize that the family would have to go through less mourning if we both die at the same time. Pretty morbid huh? The mind can do terrible things to us. I just really would like to know what the symptoms are? If it is even heard of to allow your blood sugar to read very high numbers like this for a long period of time and have NO damage? Is there a possibility? Or am I doomed for sure?
Diabetes is a crap shoot all the way. Kinda like the guy that smokes 5 packs a day, lives on junk food, drinks like a fish, and get runs over by a beer truck leaping out of his girlfriends window, being chased by a jealous husband at age 103. Then there is the flip side, that being the person who does all the right things, and dies of a heart attack at 25.. Most certainly, taking care of yourself, and doing the right things will help minimize your chances of anything bad happening, but nothing is written. (sorry bad inside joke). You are by no means doomed. There are a lot of people here who suffer from depression and diabetes, amongst other things. You found your way here didn’t you? Sure as hell is a good start. Hang in there…. Sleepy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. Oh dear. That’s very bad. You could have done all sorts of damage to your body and not even know it. You really must get to the Dr. ASAP! I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. Why are you discouraged? Do you value your legs? Your eyes? Your life? These are the things you can lose of you don’t get your BG under control. And dying of diabetes isn’t pretty. It’s a slow and VERY painful death. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. Yes, unfortunately you will have to. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. A Coke? Not a diet Coke? Well, there was just NO excuse for that at all. That was a choice that you made. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. No doubt! Did you use a strip that was not expired? Since you say you haven’t checked your blood for 2 years, I would think you probably wouldn’t have a good strip. If so, your BG could well be even higher than that. And if it was that high at 4 hours after eating, it was probably WAY higher at the 2 hour mark. You should probably check your urine for ketones. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? You might not have any symptoms at all. Neuropathy tends to come on slowly. Kidney failure has no symptoms in the beginning. Retinopathy has no symptoms wither. My advice is to cut the carbs at least for now. Test your BG and see your Dr. ASAP! You should probably be on meds. or insulin. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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Sherry, I see that you are very depressed and that depression could be caused by consistent high blood sugars, If I were you and have been you, being depressed is a very bad thing, I would see a doctor about that, You seem to feel hopeless, and could care whether you lived or died, You are too young and you have two small children, You dont mention a husband and perhaps that is part of the cause of the depression, I do know that getting numbers under control lessewns the depressed feeling we have, A professional who will give you therapy and perhaps medication willl make the sun shine about your head again, Of all the diseases, even though it wont kill you, depressions is a horror. No one should have to live that way and with todays psychiatrists and meds, there is no reason to. Please see a professional and see your doctor, You pay him. he doesnt pay you so you shouldnt be worrying what he will say because you have not been compliant, He will be glad that you have returned sooner than later and will extend a helping hand. good luck and stay with us, Welcome to our group , the one each of us never thought we would belong to, but are glad is here for us. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
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I do have a husband and he is a very good guy. I don’t want to talk to him about how I feel because he gets too upset and worries about me. I do care that I live or die, because of my children! I love my kids with all of my heart and don’t want them to be motherless. I am going to go to my doctor, I am going to force myself to do it. Thank you Sherry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sherry, I see that you are very depressed and that depression could be caused by consistent high blood sugars, If I were you and have been you, being depressed is a very bad thing, I would see a doctor about that, You seem to feel hopeless, and could care whether you lived or died, You are too young and you have two small children, You dont mention a husband and perhaps that is part of the cause of the depression, I do know that getting numbers under control lessewns the depressed feeling we have, A professional who will give you therapy and perhaps medication willl make the sun shine about your head again, Of all the diseases, even though it wont kill you, depressions is a horror. No one should have to live that way and with todays psychiatrists and meds, there is no reason to. Please see a professional and see your doctor, You pay him. he doesnt pay you so you shouldnt be worrying what he will say because you have not been compliant, He will be glad that you have returned sooner than later and will extend a helping hand. good luck and stay with us, Welcome to our group , the one each of us never thought we would belong to, but are glad is here for us. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
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I do care. I am just afraid. Afraid of everything that has to do with making and going to a doctor appointment. I don’t know why I am so dang depressed! I know this is part of why I am taking this so bad! I guess I was ok till I checked my blood sugar and when I saw it was crazy like that, omg, I couldn’t believe it! I have no idea how long it has been like this, maybe for years. I will call my doctor tomorrow. God, I hate even thinking about going in there! I feel like I am going to have a panic attack just thinking about it! I do need to research more on diabetes, I mean, I know I shouldn’t eat carbs and sugary stuff, but don’t realy understand my more than that. Thank you all for your replies, maybe within the next few days I can feel "rational" again and post without so much emotions. By the way, I quit smoking 2 weeks ago too, so perhaps this is another reason for my high blood sugar level and for my out of control emotions….. At any rate, I will be calling the doc. Blessings Sherry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My vision continually goes blurry then ok blurry then double vision…. it is awful. I just tested my blood again and the only thing I have consumed since eating around 5 or so hours ago was water…. My blood sugar is now up to 367. Why is it still going up? Oh, I checked the date on the strips and they are expired by a year. Could this cause it to read too high? You are probably getting readings that are *lower* than what you really are at if you’re using expired strips. As for why your BG went up, it’s probably because you didn’t eat. Keep in mind that with numbers that high, you probably have glucose poisoning and they might remain wacky until you get some meds or insulin. oldAl could give you a better explanation of this than I could. Never skip a meal. This will just make your BG go up. For the time being, try to nix as many carbs as you can. No bread, pasta, cereal, fruit, juice, milk, peas, corn, dried beans, sugar, etc. Eat protein like meat, fish, chicken, cheese, eggs and add some non-starchy veggies like salad, green beans, celery, cucumbers, etc. You are probably going to feel VERY hungry. High BG does that to you. And you want to drink a LOT of fluid to prevent dehydration. The best things to drink are water, hot tea, and hot broth. Do not go any longer than 4-5 hours between eating. This will help prevent your liver from dumping glucose and causing you to go higher. Keep in mind that you are only doing this until you can get your BG down. You’ll probably feel REALLY sick as your BG begins to come down. If you do have neuropathy, you can expect that to cause you more pain as your BG goes down. But once you get things under control, your vision will come back, your pain (if any) will decrease, your energy level will go up and you’ll feel better in general. You also should not try to exercise with BG that high. Doing so could make it higher. Rest, cut the carbs, drink fluids, get some new strips, make an appointment with the Dr. and if you can’t get right in, you might consider going to the hospital. There, you could get insulin to get your BG back down quickly. But you’ll still need to see your Dr. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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I am really sorry that you have become your own worst enemy, I have been told that we do damage to our body every time we go over 160 so I imagine you would do permanent damage with numbers running like that all the time,. You say you dont have insurance and therefore dont want to have to spend money on preventive care, But I guess you havent thought about the consequences of that behavior By not going to the doctor and putting yourself in harms way,. you will surely have much. much higher medical bills had you been a controlled diabetic, Please see a doctor asap and get on the program before you develoop those complications like blindness, kidney failure,. neuropathy, amputation that comes with terrible control. You will be doing more harm to your family later than if you take charge now. Please see your doctor, You have come to us because you need help, We are here for that, but you have to take the first step and get the ball rolling, We are here for support and information and ask us any question you want, We have all been there and done that so we can help. Again, do yourself and your family a favor and go see a doctor . Please dont destroy your life. Loretta — In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism.
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I concur with all of Julie’s advice. Once I started eating correctly, meaning more than one long binge in the evening on some very bad food, my numbers started leveling out, but not before they went crazy for a couple days. Through the roof, then through the floor. It was my body telling me it wasn’t used to getting nutrition in normal amounts at normal intervals. Also, lots of water, keep hydrated. Main thing though is just to hang out here a lot, read the posts that help you, and ignore the ones that don’t. Ask questions, lots of questions about anything. The answers will come to you. Bonita
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My vision continually goes blurry then ok blurry then double vision…. it is awful. I just tested my blood again and the only thing I have consumed since eating around 5 or so hours ago was water…. My blood sugar is now up to 367. Why is it still going up? Oh, I checked the date on the strips and they are expired by a year. Could this cause it to read too high? You are probably getting readings that are *lower* than what you really are at if you’re using expired strips. As for why your BG went up, it’s probably because you didn’t eat. Keep in mind that with numbers that high, you probably have glucose poisoning and they might remain wacky until you get some meds or insulin. oldAl could give you a better explanation of this than I could. Never skip a meal. This will just make your BG go up. For the time being, try to nix as many carbs as you can. No bread, pasta, cereal, fruit, juice, milk, peas, corn, dried beans, sugar, etc. Eat protein like meat, fish, chicken, cheese, eggs and add some non-starchy veggies like salad, green beans, celery, cucumbers, etc. You are probably going to feel VERY hungry. High BG does that to you. And you want to drink a LOT of fluid to prevent dehydration. The best things to drink are water, hot tea, and hot broth. Do not go any longer than 4-5 hours between eating. This will help prevent your liver from dumping glucose and causing you to go higher. Keep in mind that you are only doing this until you can get your BG down. You’ll probably feel REALLY sick as your BG begins to come down. If you do have neuropathy, you can expect that to cause you more pain as your BG goes down. But once you get things under control, your vision will come back, your pain (if any) will decrease, your energy level will go up and you’ll feel better in general. You also should not try to exercise with BG that high. Doing so could make it higher. Rest, cut the carbs, drink fluids, get some new strips, make an appointment with the Dr. and if you can’t get right in, you might consider going to the hospital. There, you could get insulin to get your BG back down quickly. But you’ll still need to see your Dr. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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My vision continually goes blurry then ok blurry then double vision…. it is awful. I just tested my blood again and the only thing I have consumed since eating around 5 or so hours ago was water…. My blood sugar is now up to 367. Why is it still going up? Oh, I checked the date on the strips and they are expired by a year. Could this cause it to read too high?
You are probably getting readings that are *lower* than what you really are at if you’re using expired strips. As for why your BG went up, it’s probably because you didn’t eat. Keep in mind that with numbers that high, you probably have glucose poisoning and they might remain wacky until you get some meds or insulin. oldAl could give you a better explanation of this than I could. Never skip a meal. This will just make your BG go up. For the time being, try to nix as many carbs as you can. No bread, pasta, cereal, fruit, juice, milk, peas, corn, dried beans, sugar, etc. Eat protein like meat, fish, chicken, cheese, eggs and add some non-starchy veggies like salad, green beans, celery, cucumbers, etc. You are probably going to feel VERY hungry. High BG does that to you. And you want to drink a LOT of fluid to prevent dehydration. The best things to drink are water, hot tea, and hot broth. Do not go any longer than 4-5 hours between eating. This will help prevent your liver from dumping glucose and causing you to go higher. Keep in mind that you are only doing this until you can get your BG down. You’ll probably feel REALLY sick as your BG begins to come down. If you do have neuropathy, you can expect that to cause you more pain as your BG goes down. But once you get things under control, your vision will come back, your pain (if any) will decrease, your energy level will go up and you’ll feel better in general. You also should not try to exercise with BG that high. Doing so could make it higher. Rest, cut the carbs, drink fluids, get some new strips, make an appointment with the Dr. and if you can’t get right in, you might consider going to the hospital. There, you could get insulin to get your BG back down quickly. But you’ll still need to see your Dr. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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Go to a doctor – do it today – don’t delay…… You are exhibiting classic diabetic symptoms…… Your blood sugar is high because of what you are eating and because you aren’t being treated……never mind the dates on the strips, you are looking for an "excuse"…..! You have a serious disease – get treated! Get to a doctor, get treated, watch your diet – you can EASILY control your disease….. It’s chronic, it won’t go away, but it can be treated…… See a doctor – TODAY! PC
| My vision continually goes blurry then ok blurry then double vision…. it | is awful. I just tested my blood again and the only thing I have consumed | since eating around 5 or so hours ago was water…. My blood sugar is now up | to 367. Why is it still going up? | Oh, I checked the date on the strips and they are expired by a year. Could | this cause it to read too high? |
| | I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, | the | last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was | probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. | | I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I | need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. | | We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of | medical | bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. | | I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice | cold Coke. | | I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood | sugar. | It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. | | I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone | tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long | period | of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible | for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? | | Thank you! | | Gees uncontrolled BG’s for about 4 years. BG of 346 after 4 hours. | Could you see anything? I would say you need to see a doctor like | tomorrow. | | http://www.tcainternet.com/retired/index.html | | |
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Sherry, I didn’t get your post but will post off Bonita just to let you know that I am beside you 100 percent. I know what it is like to be where you are now and how you feel so alone. Julie is a kind person and doesn’t mean to hurt you and I got to looking at my reply and thought how I sounded too and I am sorry. I know the physical and emotional pain I have when my numbers are really high. Sherry, just two months or so ago my numbers for a very very long time had stayed around the 500 range and I had such physical pain and swelling in my legs to the point I would pray that if I was saved for God to take me home. I was an emotional mess and an even bigger physical mess. My only support I felt was right here in ASD. I lurked for weeks and then would post and left for a while but kept coming back because I knew this group "really" cared about me. About two months ago I looked at my six year old Grandson, I am only 52 years old myself and I thought , Oh how the years have slipped by and I was missing out on his entire childhood by never feeling good. I then decided that I had to care about "me" before anyone could help me. "I" had to help "me" before others could join in and so I started on my venture to make Diana a well and healthy person and agreed to go on Insulin as well as oral meds and now I am doing really good. Just a couple weeks ago I started trying to walk to become stronger. I am determined to not miss out on any more of my Grandson’s life. I want to play with and take him places so he will enjoy his Memaw before it is too late. I tell you this because I have been you. I have insurance but I have NO co-pay and I have to pay for everything up front. My medications alone cost over 1000 dollars a month not counting the oxygen and the nebulizer breathing treatments I am on. My goal is to become medication free and I have that determination to make it happen. I hope with our help you too can find that same determination. Just don’t give up. Hang in here with us and let us help you. Some do lean toward tough love. I myself , like you, need a more gentle approach. Take care and know that you are not alone and we do not want you to die. God knows we have already lost three people we grew to care about and know from in here and we don’t want to lose more so sometimes we may sound harsh but it isn’t intended to hurt you. We want you to be well. So do your children. Di
Sherry, each of us here have a different way of expressing our
concern about you, and believe me, your message will have touched more than a few hearts. Do you know why? Because we were just like you, in the same boat, feeling just as lost, scared, and yes, even dumb. If someone’s answer may seem sharp, remember the love and
understanding that goes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – into that reaction. If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t even bother to post a reply. Sometimes we need a big hug, and sometimes we need a boot in the ass. I’m one of those who need the boot a bit more often than others because I’m a stubborn mule when it comes to my food. When I got more scared than stubborn, I didn’t even care whether I looked dumb or not. I just wanted help. And help I got, not always what I wanted to hear, sometimes things I wasn’t ‘ready’ to hear, but I stayed and I stayed and I listened even when it hurt me. You stay too, okay? We can be newbies together. Bonita Julie, I know I haven’t been smart about how I have handled my health, I am really just trying to find the courage inside to make the damned doctor appointment. I need some kind of positive moral support and don’t know where to find it. I need to find some encouragement to do the right thing. I am 34 years old and have 2 young children. I feel like the biggest loser and am SO depressed! I don’t know if I can mentally face my doctor at all! I feel like they all look down on me because I have been so careless. I am not here looking for tough love, just some advice. I feel like going to the doctor now is just hopeless and she will just give me a bad diagnosis. After reading your reply, I feel even more stupid about going back to the doctor. I am sure she will share your opinion. I wish to god my kids were older, because if they were, I wouldn’t give a rats crap about just dying. I just really would like to know what the symptoms are? If it is even heard of to allow your blood sugar to read very high numbers like this for a long period of time and have NO damage? Is there a possibility? Or am I doomed for sure? I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. Oh dear. That’s very bad. You could have done all sorts of damage to your body and not even know it. You really must get to the Dr. ASAP! I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. Why are you discouraged? Do you value your legs? Your eyes? Your life? These are the things you can lose of you don’t get your BG under control. And dying of diabetes isn’t pretty. It’s a slow and VERY painful death. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. Yes, unfortunately you will have to. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. A Coke? Not a diet Coke? Well, there was just NO excuse for that at all. That was a choice that you made. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. No doubt! Did you use a strip that was not expired? Since you say you haven’t checked your blood for 2 years, I would think you probably wouldn’t have a good strip. If so, your BG could well be even higher than that. And if it was that high at 4 hours after eating, it was probably WAY higher at the 2 hour mark. You should probably check your urine for ketones. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? You might not have any symptoms at all. Neuropathy tends to come on slowly. Kidney failure has no symptoms in the beginning. Retinopathy has no symptoms wither. My advice is to cut the carbs at least for now. Test your BG and see your Dr. ASAP! You should probably be on meds. or insulin. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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Julie, I know I haven’t been smart about how I have handled my health, I am really just trying to find the courage inside to make the damned doctor appointment. I need some kind of positive moral support and don’t know where to find it. I need to find some encouragement to do the right thing. I am 34 years old and have 2 young children. I feel like the biggest loser and am SO depressed! I don’t know if I can mentally face my doctor at all! I feel like they all look down on me because I have been so careless.
Your Dr. isn’t going to look down on you. They are there to help you. And you’d be surprised how many diabetics do NOT watch what they eat or check their BG. Probably a lot more than those that do. Those of us in this NG are really in the minority. The courage you need to find could stem from the fact that you *do* have two children. You need to take care of yourself for their sake. And another thing. If your BG is out of countrol you may well not be thinking clearly. High BG can wreck havoc on the emotions. I am not here looking for tough love, just some advice. I feel like going to the doctor now is just hopeless and she will just give me a bad diagnosis. After reading your reply, I feel even more stupid about going back to the doctor. I am sure she will share your opinion. I wish to god my kids were older, because if they were, I wouldn’t give a rats crap about just dying.
It’s not my opinion. I am just trying to spur you into getting this taken care of. I have a friend who is elderly. His is diabetic. I am worried now because I haven’t heard from him in a while. His kidneys are bad, he has CHF, neuropathy, and has been told on more than one occasion that they’ll probably have to amputate his leg. He does not watch what he eats and he does not test his BG unless I hound him to do it. And I *only* hound him to do it when his behavior starts getting really strange. It’s not my place to tell him what to eat or when to test. He doesn’t care. He really doesn’t. It sounds to me like you *do* care. That’s why you came here. If you don’t want to carry on the path you’ve been on, there are only certain things you can do. Those things are to watch what you eat. More specifically cut the carbs WAY back until you get this under control. See your Dr. ASAP. And finally, test your blood frequently. I just really would like to know what the symptoms are? If it is even heard of to allow your blood sugar to read very high numbers like this for a long period of time and have NO damage? Is there a possibility? Or am I doomed for sure?
Nobody here knows. Unfortunately damage isn’t always diagnosed by symptoms. I had GD. Was diagnosed just over a year after giving birth with type 2. And why was I diagnosed? Because I couldn’t walk. At least not very well. I had constant horrible pain. My legs were swollen badly. I had no sense of balance. I could go on and on with symptoms. But I won’t bore you with that. Was eventually told I had moderate neuropathy (nerve damage) in my lower feet and legs due to the diabetes. And yet I was also told that I didn’t fit the pattern of someone with neuropathy because I was young (41 at the time), never had a period of time where BG was wildly high, and had been recently diagnosed. Later, a heart problem cropped up. This too was said to have been caused by the neuropathy. Now I’ve since moved to another state and have been given totally different diagnosis’s. Drs. here now tell me that I have stasis dermatitis caused by venous insufficiency. This was the problem with my legs. Not related to diabetes they said. It was also discovered that the thyroid problem that cropped up during pregnancy was being overtreated making me hyper (high) thyroid. After some dosage adjustments, no more hyper thyroid. My symptoms went away. No more heart problem. Now, do I have neuropathy? The Drs. here say I don’t. And yet the standard test for it indicates that I did have it. Could my nerves have been compressed from all the swelling? Perhaps. So you see, symptoms are really pretty meaningless. For me to give you a list of possible symptoms (and there would be a ton) would do more harm than good. You must get to the Dr. ASAP. There are a whole slew of things that can crop up if you let your BG rage out of control. Some are merely bothersome and some are serious. You could have yeast infections, boils, other infections and skin problems, heart problems, kidney problems, eye problems, nerve damage, the list goes on and on. Nobody knows who is going to have the problems. Some people do everything within their power and still have complications. Others take the carefree approach and have no complications at all. There is just so much we don’t know about diabetes. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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Sherry, each of us here have a different way of expressing our concern about you, and believe me, your message will have touched more than a few hearts. Do you know why? Because we were just like you, in the same boat, feeling just as lost, scared, and yes, even dumb. If someone’s answer may seem sharp, remember the love and understanding that goes into that reaction. If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t even bother to post a reply. Sometimes we need a big hug, and sometimes we need a boot in the ass. I’m one of those who need the boot a bit more often than others because I’m a stubborn mule when it comes to my food. When I got more scared than stubborn, I didn’t even care whether I looked dumb or not. I just wanted help. And help I got, not always what I wanted to hear, sometimes things I wasn’t ‘ready’ to hear, but I stayed and I stayed and I listened even when it hurt me. You stay too, okay? We can be newbies together. Bonita
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Julie, I know I haven’t been smart about how I have handled my health, I am really just trying to find the courage inside to make the damned doctor appointment. I need some kind of positive moral support and don’t know where to find it. I need to find some encouragement to do the right thing. I am 34 years old and have 2 young children. I feel like the biggest loser and am SO depressed! I don’t know if I can mentally face my doctor at all! I feel like they all look down on me because I have been so careless. I am not here looking for tough love, just some advice. I feel like going to the doctor now is just hopeless and she will just give me a bad diagnosis. After reading your reply, I feel even more stupid about going back to the doctor. I am sure she will share your opinion. I wish to god my kids were older, because if they were, I wouldn’t give a rats crap about just dying. I just really would like to know what the symptoms are? If it is even heard of to allow your blood sugar to read very high numbers like this for a long period of time and have NO damage? Is there a possibility? Or am I doomed for sure? I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. Oh dear. That’s very bad. You could have done all sorts of damage to your body and not even know it. You really must get to the Dr. ASAP! I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. Why are you discouraged? Do you value your legs? Your eyes? Your life? These are the things you can lose of you don’t get your BG under control. And dying of diabetes isn’t pretty. It’s a slow and VERY painful death. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. Yes, unfortunately you will have to. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. A Coke? Not a diet Coke? Well, there was just NO excuse for that at all. That was a choice that you made. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. No doubt! Did you use a strip that was not expired? Since you say you haven’t checked your blood for 2 years, I would think you probably wouldn’t have a good strip. If so, your BG could well be even higher than that. And if it was that high at 4 hours after eating, it was probably WAY higher at the 2 hour mark. You should probably check your urine for ketones. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? You might not have any symptoms at all. Neuropathy tends to come on slowly. Kidney failure has no symptoms in the beginning. Retinopathy has no symptoms wither. My advice is to cut the carbs at least for now. Test your BG and see your Dr. ASAP! You should probably be on meds. or insulin. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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I don’t have insurance either, so I know it’s a challenge, but you can do a great deal for yourself after the initial doctor visits. Start with learning all you can about foods and how they affect you by using Jennifer’s advice and testing often. Buy a cheap Relion Meter at Wal-Mart for that. Once you get your BG under better control, you won’t have to see a doctor as often as you need to at first. In a perfect world, you would be able to get the medical care you need without worrying about it, but this isn’t a perfect world, and sometimes cuts have to be made in other areas in order to make sure that you get vital things like testing supplies medications etc., Not developing some of the health problems which you are surely headed for if you don’t take action, will be much cheaper in the long run. I wish you the best and reading the groups will be a big help, at least it has been for me. Cheri – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? Thank you!
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Oh, Sherry, my heart just goes out to you, hon. I’m you, two weeks ago. I came in here to these people desperate but hoping I could continue to eat whatever I wanted to and ignore that I am a diabetic. My serious spikes also went into the range you mentioned, sometimes even higher. All I can say to you is this — if you are serious about gaining control over your blood sugars, you will find a way, and it can be done. I’m living proof, right here before you. My numbers are falling on a daily basis, my average keeps creeping on down. How? I listened to these people and stopped trying to fool myself that if I just didn’t think about my diabetes, it didn’t matter. It does matter. You know that. It’s why you’re here. Listen to these people, let them help you, and know that you can get better starting this very day, but only if you want it badly enough. If you’re all finished playing around with diabetes, you do have more than a chance at a decent life. You have a hope and all our prayers. Bonita
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? Thank you!
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Hi Sherry! It sounds like a grim situation. I’m recently diagnosed, so I don’t think I have the answers to your questions and can just offer empathy and maybe some encouragement. First off, the Doctor isn’t going to give you a bad diagnosis — that happened four years ago when you were diagnosed with diabetes. The only thing that’s going to happen this time is that the doctor is going to try to get you back "on the wagon," and give you an assessment of your health today. In any event, my endo says that "many" of his patients don’t take good care of themselves, so you won’t be alone — many of us here in this newsgroup have been or are in the same situation. Make the appointment and go. It’s an excellent investment. Second, you need to make some lifestyle changes so that you’ll have a good quality of life as you (and your children) get older. A dietitian or diabetes educator could give you good guidance on how you need to eat to lower your blood glucose, but if you can’t afford that, I know there are a number of places on the internet where you could begin a "self-help" plan. Perhaps the doctor will have some ideas when you see him. Finally, I don’t know if it’s possible to have high bG and no damage — but I do know that as soon as you get the blood glucose under control, the sooner your odds get much better. I’m glad you came to this newsgroup, and I hope you can find some inspiration to take action from the others here! — Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure? http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=personal&fr_id=1058&px=1626087
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Julie, I know I haven’t been smart about how I have handled my health, I am really just trying to find the courage inside to make the damned doctor appointment. I need some kind of positive moral support and don’t know where to find it. I need to find some encouragement to do the right thing. I am 34 years old and have 2 young children. I feel like the biggest loser and am SO depressed! I don’t know if I can mentally face my doctor at all! I feel like they all look down on me because I have been so careless. I am not here looking for tough love, just some advice. I feel like going to the doctor now is just hopeless and she will just give me a bad diagnosis. After reading your reply, I feel even more stupid about going back to the doctor. I am sure she will share your opinion. I wish to god my kids were older, because if they were, I wouldn’t give a rats crap about just dying. I just really would like to know what the symptoms are? If it is even heard of to allow your blood sugar to read very high numbers like this for a long period of time and have NO damage? Is there a possibility? Or am I doomed for sure? I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. Oh dear. That’s very bad. You could have done all sorts of damage to your body and not even know it. You really must get to the Dr. ASAP! I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. Why are you discouraged? Do you value your legs? Your eyes? Your life? These are the things you can lose of you don’t get your BG under control. And dying of diabetes isn’t pretty. It’s a slow and VERY painful death. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. Yes, unfortunately you will have to. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. A Coke? Not a diet Coke? Well, there was just NO excuse for that at all. That was a choice that you made. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. No doubt! Did you use a strip that was not expired? Since you say you haven’t checked your blood for 2 years, I would think you probably wouldn’t have a good strip. If so, your BG could well be even higher than that. And if it was that high at 4 hours after eating, it was probably WAY higher at the 2 hour mark. You should probably check your urine for ketones. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? You might not have any symptoms at all. Neuropathy tends to come on slowly. Kidney failure has no symptoms in the beginning. Retinopathy has no symptoms wither. My advice is to cut the carbs at least for now. Test your BG and see your Dr. ASAP! You should probably be on meds. or insulin. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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My vision continually goes blurry then ok blurry then double vision…. it is awful. I just tested my blood again and the only thing I have consumed since eating around 5 or so hours ago was water…. My blood sugar is now up to 367. Why is it still going up? Oh, I checked the date on the strips and they are expired by a year. Could this cause it to read too high?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? Thank you! Gees uncontrolled BG’s for about 4 years. BG of 346 after 4 hours. Could you see anything? I would say you need to see a doctor like tomorrow. http://www.tcainternet.com/retired/index.html
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Di, Would you email me personally, please? I wanted to ask a few questions, but feel foolish doing it publically. My email is Thank you! Sherry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Sherry, You ARE doing damage to your organs and the only way you will rack up medical bills is if you have hospital stays that are diabetes related. Trust me as one who knows. I wasn’t taking my medicine due to no insurance and stuff too and had my first hospital stay from my kidneys and I said then NO MORE ! I am not saying I started to take care of myself right away but now I am and it is so much cheaper to get the doctor bill and medicine than getting the five day stay at the hospital and the 8 hour stay in the emergency room. Please do yourself and your family the biggest favor ever and start NOW taking care of yourself. Please. Di I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? Thank you!
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Hi Sherry, You ARE doing damage to your organs and the only way you will rack up medical bills is if you have hospital stays that are diabetes related. Trust me as one who knows. I wasn’t taking my medicine due to no insurance and stuff too and had my first hospital stay from my kidneys and I said then NO MORE ! I am not saying I started to take care of myself right away but now I am and it is so much cheaper to get the doctor bill and medicine than getting the five day stay at the hospital and the 8 hour stay in the emergency room. Please do yourself and your family the biggest favor ever and start NOW taking care of yourself. Please. Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? Thank you!
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Julie, I know I haven’t been smart about how I have handled my health, I am really just trying to find the courage inside to make the damned doctor appointment. I need some kind of positive moral support and don’t know where to find it. I need to find some encouragement to do the right thing. I am 34 years old and have 2 young children. I feel like the biggest loser and am SO depressed! I don’t know if I can mentally face my doctor at all! I feel like they all look down on me because I have been so careless. I am not here looking for tough love, just some advice. I feel like going to the doctor now is just hopeless and she will just give me a bad diagnosis. After reading your reply, I feel even more stupid about going back to the doctor. I am sure she will share your opinion. I wish to god my kids were older, because if they were, I wouldn’t give a rats crap about just dying. I just really would like to know what the symptoms are? If it is even heard of to allow your blood sugar to read very high numbers like this for a long period of time and have NO damage? Is there a possibility? Or am I doomed for sure?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. Oh dear. That’s very bad. You could have done all sorts of damage to your body and not even know it. You really must get to the Dr. ASAP! I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. Why are you discouraged? Do you value your legs? Your eyes? Your life? These are the things you can lose of you don’t get your BG under control. And dying of diabetes isn’t pretty. It’s a slow and VERY painful death. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. Yes, unfortunately you will have to. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. A Coke? Not a diet Coke? Well, there was just NO excuse for that at all. That was a choice that you made. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. No doubt! Did you use a strip that was not expired? Since you say you haven’t checked your blood for 2 years, I would think you probably wouldn’t have a good strip. If so, your BG could well be even higher than that. And if it was that high at 4 hours after eating, it was probably WAY higher at the 2 hour mark. You should probably check your urine for ketones. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? You might not have any symptoms at all. Neuropathy tends to come on slowly. Kidney failure has no symptoms in the beginning. Retinopathy has no symptoms wither. My advice is to cut the carbs at least for now. Test your BG and see your Dr. ASAP! You should probably be on meds. or insulin. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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Julie, I know I haven’t been smart about how I have handled my health, I am really just trying to find the courage inside to make the damned doctor appointment. I need some kind of positive moral support and don’t know where to find it. I need to find some encouragement to do the right thing. I am 34 years old and have 2 young children.
Well, Sherry….. You just gave two excellent reasons to take control of your life and your health right now. You are only 34 and have a lot of living to do….and most of all "2 young children". Keep on ignoring the problem and you can probably expect real trouble. When you make and keep your appointment…..remember that YOU are the consumer of his services he/ she is the provider…..He works for YOU. I wish you great strength to face what needs to be faced and get on with your healthier happier life. Fear can destroy any of us…if we let it. Best, Patricia
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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? Thank you!
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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor.
Oh dear. That’s very bad. You could have done all sorts of damage to your body and not even know it. You really must get to the Dr. ASAP! I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged.
Why are you discouraged? Do you value your legs? Your eyes? Your life? These are the things you can lose of you don’t get your BG under control. And dying of diabetes isn’t pretty. It’s a slow and VERY painful death. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon.
Yes, unfortunately you will have to. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke.
A Coke? Not a diet Coke? Well, there was just NO excuse for that at all. That was a choice that you made. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating.
No doubt! Did you use a strip that was not expired? Since you say you haven’t checked your blood for 2 years, I would think you probably wouldn’t have a good strip. If so, your BG could well be even higher than that. And if it was that high at 4 hours after eating, it was probably WAY higher at the 2 hour mark. You should probably check your urine for ketones. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice?
You might not have any symptoms at all. Neuropathy tends to come on slowly. Kidney failure has no symptoms in the beginning. Retinopathy has no symptoms wither. My advice is to cut the carbs at least for now. Test your BG and see your Dr. ASAP! You should probably be on meds. or insulin. — Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? Thank you!
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I give you credit for deciding to do something. You can only go forward and prevent what could become some major health problems. A doctor will cost you a lot more the more you delay caring for yourself. I’m not going to go into the ins and outs of getting this under control because Jennifer will be posting her golden advice shortly and her post pretty well covers the basics of what you need to know. I can tell you this. Making the changes necessary to get your diabetes under control will improve your life exponentially to the improvement in your health. There is no time like the present to start. Welcome to the group. c
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about 4 years ago, I guess. Well, the last time I checked my blood sugar was at least 2 years ago and it was probably 6 months before that that I saw my doctor. I have not been watching what I eat at all. I keep telling myself that I need to be more careful, but I am too discouraged. We don’t have health insurance, so I don’t want to rack up a ton of medical bills, although I know I am going to have to soon. I ate 2 hotdogs in buns about 4 hours ago and washed it down with a nice cold Coke. I feel unusually tired and weak. I get the courage to check my blood sugar. It is 346. 346 four hours after eating. I am now really scared that I have done damage to my organs. Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have this high of blood sugar for a long period of time and NOT have damage? What would the symptoms be? Is it possible for me lower this blood sugar without going to the doctors? Any advice? Thank you!
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points them in the direction of Thyroid problems, but it always comes out normal. I am rambling, but just thought that I would ask. J always knows where to tell me to look.:) Have a good day. Cindy 
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