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<< I’m currently on Levothroid at .137 mg.  I’ve also taken synthroid and the dosages have been changed a couple of times over the years. Hi Barb–have you found any difference between the meds?  Synthroid is the generic for Levothroid, I believe—but was wondering if you reacted any differently with either of them?

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Hi Kaye, I’m currently on Levothroid at .137 mg.  I’ve also taken synthroid and the dosages have been changed a couple of times over the years.  My Dr. checks the thyroid hormone levels once a year at the time of my yearly physical. Barb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Barb–which medication are you on for your hypothyroid and what dosage? Thanks in advance.

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<<  I also was diagnosed as hypothyroid a few years after chemo and had dismissed the symptoms as being caused by any number of other things.  The diagnosis and subsequent medication made a new woman of me!  Wishing the best for her. Barb Hi Barb–which medication are you on for your hypothyroid and what dosage? Thanks in advance.

This is my even-busier time of the year, so I’m only popping in here occasionally, but I thought I would add my 2c to this discussion.  And I missed the beginning, so forgive me if my answers don’t make sense. I am one of the gals that was diagnosed with hyperthyroid problems after radiation.  One of the many characteristics was my joints hurt badly.  I also had trouble with dry skin, my hair & nails not growing back very quickly, depression, huge mood swings and chemo-like fatigue.  Being a woman, I of course had explanations for all these symptoms.  I blamed most of the symptoms on either the chemo, or the fact that no one loved me and no one paid attention to me and no one appreciated all I did and no one helped me with my housework and and and.  (Did I mention huge mood swings??) The test for thyroid is simply a blood test, and the cure is a little white miracle pill that you take daily (and is relatively cheap).  I’m on 100 (units) of synthoid. Hope this helps someone! Peg

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<<  I also was diagnosed as hypothyroid a few years after chemo and had dismissed the symptoms as being caused by any number of other things.  The diagnosis and subsequent medication made a new woman of me!  Wishing the best for her. Barb Hi Barb–which medication are you on for your hypothyroid and what dosage? Thanks in advance.

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My wife recently finished 6 months of CMF and now has developed achy joints to the point that she can bearly open her hands and the pain is wearing her down.  The oncologist says it isn’t a side effect of chemo and we should look else where for the cause.  The time frame of appearing 3 weeks after chemo has us suspicious. Thanks, Jim

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 The time frame of appearing 3 weeks after chemo has us suspicious.

Yes, but remember that correlation does not imply causality.  How old is your wife?  Could this be osteoarthritis or, G-d forbid, rheumatoid arthritis?  I think a visit to the family doctor and possibly an X-rray of her hands is in order. — Aloha, Catharine titubant sed non decidunt wiblia

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Jim.. My oncologist told me to expect this after chemo. {also had cmf for 6 months from 99/00} He told me that the chemo doesn’t cause this directly, but the chemo drugs just bring it on sooner. I found that mine came and went…nothing that I had to go through on a daily basis. I don’t know how old your wife is, but I was 49 when I was dx in 4/99. But there’s arthritis in my family on my Mom’s side. So at some point I’d have had some trouble anyway. Has she asked or does she know whether family members have had any trouble with this? I just had a recur last Nov and finished treatments this last week. {4 rounds of Ac and 4 rounds of Taxotere for recur} I’m dealing with this again…but I’m sure this will subside over the next few months. {I’ve heard 5-6} The Taxotere cause’s what they call "neuropathy" in hands,legs, and the feet.   But we’re still here, so that’s really the most important thing that has come from all of this treatments and side effects. Please tell your wife that I hope she’s feeling better soon. Take care there God bless you annie Ultimately…..we know deeply that the other side of every fear is a freedom. "Courage"…is *fear* that has said it’s prayers.

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Have you tried glucosamine/chondroitin combo – it takes about six weeks before you feel a difference.

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My wife recently finished 6 months of CMF and now has developed achy joints to the point that she can bearly open her hands and the pain is wearing her down.

Couple of thoughts: I had a significantly increased incidence of various musculo-skeletal things after chemo . . . I put it down mainly to the general debilitation chemo causes, plus the effects of inactivity attributable to fatigue, etc. Also, it is — for some reason — more common to be diagnosed as hypothyroid after treatment for breast cancer . . . or so I’ve read. Several of us here are hypothyroid!  Aching joints can be one of the symptoms, along with morning stiffness, fatigue, and more.  (Type "hypothyroid symptoms" into google for a many lists.)  It’s a simple blood test to diagnose. Hope you’re able to find something that can help her! Ann T.

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I had a significantly increased incidence of various musculo-skeletal things after chemo

I also noticed an increase in musculo-skeletal things.  Additionally, I had to have massive dental work done – crowns falling off – that type of thing.

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" I had a significantly increased incidence of various musculo-skeletal things after chemo . . . I put it down mainly to the general debilitation chemo causes, plus the effects of inactivity attributable to fatigue, etc. Also, it is — for some reason — more common to be diagnosed as hypothyroid after treatment for breast cancer . . . or so I’ve read. Several of us here are hypothyroid!  Aching joints can be one of the symptoms, along with morning stiffness, fatigue, and more.  (Type "hypothyroid symptoms" into google for a many lists.)  It’s a simple blood test to diagnose.

Yep, I had the musculo-skeletal problems for a while too.  Remember not wanting to buy a van that was difficult for me to get into at the time.  Now have a high four wheel drive SUV and do fine with it.  I also was diagnosed as hypothyroid a few years after chemo and had dismissed the symptoms as being caused by any number of other things.  The diagnosis and subsequent medication made a new woman of me!  Wishing the best for her. Barb

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you are a witty old thing, Mary!

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| oh, mary, you poor old thing! | | OY! Less of the old. Mature … wise … | | OK, old it is | |  you simply must treat yourself to something | excellent to make up for this procedure…now what would you like???  so | hard to say. | | Not at all. Black pudding would be nice if I could swallow, Yorkshire | pudding is far too scratchy just now. | | I had some spotting | | Mine started as spotting but now it’s more like a very light period. Would | that my periods had been like that | | and had a bit of an investigatory thingy…spotting was | due to uterine lining being, get this, .5 MM (yes, MM) too thick…it was | the old "well, if you hadn’t had cancer, we would let it go…" so I had a | D&C  (dilation and cheetos)… | | LOL! | | I had a D+C last time, I saw it in my notes today. I wrote on my hand "no | needles or cuff" which caused a lot of comment – but was observed. Should | have added "No Cheetos …" | | Mary | | |

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that sore throat post-surgery is a bit of a bear, isn’t it?  I found that Tylenol or something like that removed that horrid feeling…

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| Mary, I’m so sorry you’re having to do this.  Do give yourself a treat | after — maybe chocolate covered cheetos and some chocolate covered | yorkshire pudding ;o) | | You know, you can go right off people! I wouldn’t adulterate Yorkshires with | chocolate! | | I did sneak a couple of hand made chocolates earlier this evening though – | to help ease the throat of course. The liqueur fillings were very soothing | | | Mary | | |

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you see, they never bother to mention, that after you are put to sleep (well, not like a dog) they stick a big tube down your throat, and that often leaves one with a sore raw throat afterwards…

| with a sore throat ??? | Did they approach it from the wrong end? I can imagine that WOULD  be | painful!!! | Or perhaps they hung you by a noose for the op? | Please explain , as I’m very confused. | | Sorry about the rain … but you WILL live in England ….  having said that | … I probably would prefer to drown , than get burnt to death ! ( Mind you | shark!?) | You cant win ! | Even | worse , just imagine a ’seasoned YP’ with sweet stuff on it ! YUK! | And what the h-ll are Cheetos??? | | Yours forever confused , | Mazza | xxx | | | | Poor you Mary.  It never rains but it pours! | | Yes, it’s raiing here. | | Again. | | Hope you get on OK with the Hysto-thingy. | | My throat feels as though it’s been gouged with a rasp and I’m a bit tired | (had to be up at 6 am) but otherwise I’m fine. | | Sorry ,but I  cant give you any personal experiences , as I’m not old | enough | to be in the "2ND" menopause !!! (Ha!Ha!) | | Bitch. | | If I were you , I would eat more Yorkshire Puddings . This theory hasn’t | had | clinical trials ofcourse , but who knows ……  YP could be the cure | for | everything !!!??? | | That’s a well known fact but if they decide to do clinical trials I’ll be | first in the queue. Move over, Mazza … | | Chin Up , | | Can’t, it hurts … | | XMary | Luv Mazza | xxx | | | I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more | than | ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem | right | so | I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an | hysteroscopy. | | So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day | surgery | (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have | without | a | general) to see what’s up there. | | I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do | anything other than go to bed. | | In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related | to | bc | medication? | | Mary | | | | | | | |

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you are very kind, Ann, to think of me…slaving away over the computer, with NO Cheetos…all my reports tend to have orange finger smudges on them, however…

| | . . . If we keep mentioning cheetos, more people will | buy them and there will be less for us!  Why, the machine at work has been | out of Cheetos twice in the last week.  I am considering wearing a sign | "Will work for Cheetos." | | Y’know, I’m thinking we need an "Emergency Virtual Cheetos Supply" | (EVCS) for this news group, maybe in a virtual glass box with a sign | that says "In case of Cheetos emergency, break glass."  Naturally, these | would not be as soul-satisfying (or fingers-orangifying) as the Real | Thing, but they would have the dual adantages of (1) not aggravating | nausea, and (2) not emptying the machine at crosem’s job of the crispy | orange blobules of Cheeto-yummyhood that she so clearly craves. Whadda | ya think? | | Ann T. |

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Ann T wrote<< Y’know, I’m thinking we need an "Emergency Virtual Cheetos Supply" (EVCS) for this news group, maybe in a virtual glass box with a sign that says "In case of Cheetos emergency, break glass."  Naturally, these would not be as soul-satisfying (or fingers-orangifying) as the Real Thing, but they would have the dual adantages of (1) not aggravating nausea, and (2) not emptying the machine at crosem’s job of the crispy orange blobules of Cheeto-yummyhood that she so clearly craves. Whadda ya think?   mmm, sounds good to me, mouth watering…thinking I should get dressed and do a real Cheetos run…

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mmm, sounds good to me, mouth watering…thinking I should get dressed and do a real Cheetos run…

Sounds like you’re recovering from your post-Zometa yucky feelings of yesterday.  Congratulations — perhaps Cheetos cravings are a good sign that that the worst is over? Take care, Ann T.

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with a sore throat ???

Because I had a general anaesthetic and they wait until you’re asleep from the prick then stick a nasty big thing down your trachea. And up your nose. And I’m still picking terminals off my torso … Did they approach it from the wrong end? I can imagine that WOULD  be painful!!!

OUCH! Or perhaps they hung you by a noose for the op? Please explain , as I’m very confused.

Hope you’re less confused now. Sorry about the rain … but you WILL live in England ….  having said that … I probably would prefer to drown , than get burnt to death ! ( Mind you shark!?) You cant win !

I think on the whole I’m on the winnig side Even worse , just imagine a ’seasoned YP’ with sweet stuff on it ! YUK!

I know … although it can be nice with sugar or golden syrup … And what the h-ll are Cheetos???

Ah. There I can’t help you except that they’re addictive and stain your fingers orange. Mary

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that sore throat post-surgery is a bit of a bear, isn’t it?  I found that Tylenol or something like that removed that horrid feeling…

It’s almost gone now but my voice, normally deep and booming, is thin, wavering and high. I hope it comes back, how can I be formidable like this? Mary

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you are a witty old thing, Mary!

OY! Less of the old … Mary

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It’s almost gone now but my voice, normally deep and booming, is thin, wavering and high. I hope it comes back, how can I be formidable like this?

Squeak authoritatively until the effect passes? It seems to work for operatic sopranos, who are a pretty formidable bunch . . . . Ann T.

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It’s almost gone now but my voice, normally deep and booming, is thin, wavering and high. I hope it comes back, how can I be formidable like this? Squeak authoritatively until the effect passes?

It’s hard to speak authoritatively with a voice which sounds like an adolescent boy! It seems to work for operatic sopranos, who are a pretty formidable bunch . . . .

… but I’m normally an alto … Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ann T.

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Hah Hah ! So its like when the dentist’s nurse sucks all the water and saliva from your mouth ? Or is it a continous anesthetic they’re pumping in you ? Whatever…  I’m sorry that your throat hurt so much…. Now what’s this about losing your deep voice? I sympathise with you …  remember when I lost mine for about 2-3 weeks because of thrush? It will come back soon I’m sure:-) At least you can talk to us all here painlessly ! See Yer, Luv Mazza xxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you with a sore throat ??? Because I had a general anaesthetic and they wait until you’re asleep from the prick then stick a nasty big thing down your trachea. And up your nose. And I’m still picking terminals off my torso … Did they approach it from the wrong end? I can imagine that WOULD  be painful!!! OUCH! Or perhaps they hung you by a noose for the op? Please explain , as I’m very confused. Hope you’re less confused now. Sorry about the rain … but you WILL live in England ….  having said that … I probably would prefer to drown , than get burnt to death ! ( Mind you shark!?) You cant win ! I think on the whole I’m on the winnig side Even worse , just imagine a ’seasoned YP’ with sweet stuff on it ! YUK! I know … although it can be nice with sugar or golden syrup … And what the h-ll are Cheetos??? Ah. There I can’t help you except that they’re addictive and stain your fingers orange. Mary

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Jackie, you are shameless!  If we keep mentioning cheetos, more people will buy them and there will be less for us!  Why, the machine at work has been out of Cheetos twice in the last week.  I am considering wearing a sign "Will work for Cheetos."

| Mary, I’m so sorry you’re having to do this.  Do give yourself a treat | after — maybe chocolate covered cheetos and some chocolate covered | yorkshire pudding ;o) | | Jackie S.

| oh, mary, you poor old thing!  you simply must treat yourself to something | excellent to make up for this procedure…now what would you like???  so | hard to say. | I had some spotting and had a bit of an investigatory thingy…spotting | was | due to uterine lining being, get this, .5 MM (yes, MM) too thick…it was | the old "well, if you hadn’t had cancer, we would let it go…" so I had a | D&C  (dilation and cheetos)… | | | I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more | than | | ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem right | so | | I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an | hysteroscopy. | | | | So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day surgery | | (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have without | a | | general) to see what’s up there. | | | | I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do | | anything other than go to bed. | | | | In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related to | bc | | medication? | | | | Mary | | | | | | | |

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Poor you Mary.  It never rains but it pours!

Yes, it’s raiing here. Again. Hope you get on OK with the Hysto-thingy.

My throat feels as though it’s been gouged with a rasp and I’m a bit tired (had to be up at 6 am) but otherwise I’m fine. Sorry ,but I  cant give you any personal experiences , as I’m not old enough to be in the "2ND" menopause !!! (Ha!Ha!)

Bitch. If I were you , I would eat more Yorkshire Puddings . This theory hasn’t had clinical trials ofcourse , but who knows ……  YP could be the cure for everything !!!???

That’s a well known fact but if they decide to do clinical trials I’ll be first in the queue. Move over, Mazza … Chin Up ,

Can’t, it hurts … XMary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Luv Mazza xxx I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more than ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem right so I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an hysteroscopy. So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day surgery (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have without a general) to see what’s up there. I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do anything other than go to bed. In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related to bc medication? Mary

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Mary, I had my first chemo menopause at the age of thirty five when I took a year of CMF chemo.  This was 19 years ago.  Probably 12 years after the treatment I also began to bleed and had a hysteroscopy as well.  The surgery revealed nothing, but about two weeks after that the surgeon called to tell me that a piece of lab work had come back just then and I was fairly severely hypothyroid.  He had me see my general practicioner for synthroid and the bleeding went away  (as did a number of other pretty classic hypothyroid symptoms that I’d been ignoring).  I’m having the hot flashes again now, as I’m probably at the right age for my natural menopause.  I’ve spoken to my general practicioner about them, but she hasn’t prescribed anything (the thyroid is on an even keel now and has been for years).

That’s very interesting and good to know.  Good luck with your procedure.  I also had general anaesthesia for mine and am glad I did.

Yes, I’ve done it without and it’s awful. Recuperation was uneventful for me and I wish the same for you.  Let us know how you’re doing.

Just sore and tired. I’m fine – and the surgeon says there was nothing nasty up there. I’ll have some blood tests done in a few weeks. I never had chemo. Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Barb

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oh, mary, you poor old thing!

OY! Less of the old. Mature … wise … OK, old it is  you simply must treat yourself to something excellent to make up for this procedure…now what would you like???  so hard to say.

Not at all. Black pudding would be nice if I could swallow, Yorkshire pudding is far too scratchy just now. I had some spotting

Mine started as spotting but now it’s more like a very light period. Would that my periods had been like that and had a bit of an investigatory thingy…spotting was due to uterine lining being, get this, .5 MM (yes, MM) too thick…it was the old "well, if you hadn’t had cancer, we would let it go…" so I had a D&C  (dilation and cheetos)…

LOL! I had a D+C last time, I saw it in my notes today. I wrote on my hand "no needles or cuff" which caused a lot of comment – but was observed. Should have added "No Cheetos …" Mary

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Mary, I’m so sorry you’re having to do this.  Do give yourself a treat after — maybe chocolate covered cheetos and some chocolate covered yorkshire pudding ;o)

You know, you can go right off people! I wouldn’t adulterate Yorkshires with chocolate! I did sneak a couple of hand made chocolates earlier this evening though – to help ease the throat of course. The liqueur fillings were very soothing Mary

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Jackie, you are shameless!  If we keep mentioning cheetos, more people will buy them and there will be less for us!

HURRAH!  Why, the machine at work has been out of Cheetos twice in the last week.

<smirk I am considering wearing a sign "Will work for Cheetos."

I used to want to work in a Lego factory … when I was in my 20s and 30s. Mary Thanks to everyone!

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. . . If we keep mentioning cheetos, more people will buy them and there will be less for us!  Why, the machine at work has been out of Cheetos twice in the last week.  I am considering wearing a sign "Will work for Cheetos."

Y’know, I’m thinking we need an "Emergency Virtual Cheetos Supply" (EVCS) for this news group, maybe in a virtual glass box with a sign that says "In case of Cheetos emergency, break glass."  Naturally, these would not be as soul-satisfying (or fingers-orangifying) as the Real Thing, but they would have the dual adantages of (1) not aggravating nausea, and (2) not emptying the machine at crosem’s job of the crispy orange blobules of Cheeto-yummyhood that she so clearly craves. Whadda ya think? Ann T.

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with a sore throat ??? Did they approach it from the wrong end? I can imagine that WOULD  be painful!!! Or perhaps they hung you by a noose for the op? Please explain , as I’m very confused. Sorry about the rain … but you WILL live in England ….  having said that … I probably would prefer to drown , than get burnt to death ! ( Mind you shark!?) You cant win ! worse , just imagine a ’seasoned YP’ with sweet stuff on it ! YUK! And what the h-ll are Cheetos??? Yours forever confused , Mazza xxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Poor you Mary.  It never rains but it pours! Yes, it’s raiing here. Again. Hope you get on OK with the Hysto-thingy. My throat feels as though it’s been gouged with a rasp and I’m a bit tired (had to be up at 6 am) but otherwise I’m fine. Sorry ,but I  cant give you any personal experiences , as I’m not old enough to be in the "2ND" menopause !!! (Ha!Ha!) Bitch. If I were you , I would eat more Yorkshire Puddings . This theory hasn’t had clinical trials ofcourse , but who knows ……  YP could be the cure for everything !!!??? That’s a well known fact but if they decide to do clinical trials I’ll be first in the queue. Move over, Mazza … Chin Up , Can’t, it hurts … XMary Luv Mazza xxx I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more than ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem right so I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an hysteroscopy. So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day surgery (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have without a general) to see what’s up there. I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do anything other than go to bed. In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related to bc medication? Mary

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I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more than ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem right so I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an hysteroscopy. So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day surgery (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have without a general) to see what’s up there. I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do anything other than go to bed. In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related to bc medication? Mary

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Poor you Mary.  It never rains but it pours! Hope you get on OK with the Hysto-thingy. Sorry ,but I  cant give you any personal experiences , as I’m not old enough to be in the "2ND" menopause !!! (Ha!Ha!) If I were you , I would eat more Yorkshire Puddings . This theory hasn’t had clinical trials ofcourse , but who knows ……  YP could be the cure for everything !!!??? Chin Up , Luv Mazza xxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more than ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem right so I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an hysteroscopy. So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day surgery (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have without a general) to see what’s up there. I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do anything other than go to bed. In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related to bc medication? Mary

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Hello Mary, I had my first chemo menopause at the age of thirty five when I took a year of CMF chemo.  This was 19 years ago.  Probably 12 years after the treatment I also began to bleed and had a hysteroscopy as well.  The surgery revealed nothing, but about two weeks after that the surgeon called to tell me that a piece of lab work had come back just then and I was fairly severely hypothyroid.  He had me see my general practicioner for synthroid and the bleeding went away  (as did a number of other pretty classic hypothyroid symptoms that I’d been ignoring).  I’m having the hot flashes again now, as I’m probably at the right age for my natural menopause.  I’ve spoken to my general practicioner about them, but she hasn’t prescribed anything (the thyroid is on an even keel now and has been for years).  Good luck with your procedure.  I also had general anaesthesia for mine and am glad I did. Recuperation was uneventful for me and I wish the same for you.  Let us know how you’re doing. Barb

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more than ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem right so I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an hysteroscopy. So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day surgery (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have without a general) to see what’s up there. I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do anything other than go to bed. In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related to bc medication? Mary

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oh, mary, you poor old thing!  you simply must treat yourself to something excellent to make up for this procedure…now what would you like???  so hard to say. I had some spotting and had a bit of an investigatory thingy…spotting was due to uterine lining being, get this, .5 MM (yes, MM) too thick…it was the old "well, if you hadn’t had cancer, we would let it go…" so I had a D&C  (dilation and cheetos)…

| I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more than | ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem right so | I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an hysteroscopy. | | So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day surgery | (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have without a | general) to see what’s up there. | | I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do | anything other than go to bed. | | In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related to bc | medication? | | Mary | |

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Mary, I’m so sorry you’re having to do this.  Do give yourself a treat after — maybe chocolate covered cheetos and some chocolate covered yorkshire pudding ;o) Jackie S.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – oh, mary, you poor old thing!  you simply must treat yourself to something excellent to make up for this procedure…now what would you like???  so hard to say. I had some spotting and had a bit of an investigatory thingy…spotting was due to uterine lining being, get this, .5 MM (yes, MM) too thick…it was the old "well, if you hadn’t had cancer, we would let it go…" so I had a D&C  (dilation and cheetos)… | I keep having hot flushes (like the ones I had first time round, more than | ten years ago) and I’ve also been bleeding. At 63 this didn’t seem right so | I contacted my research nurse who arranged for me to have an hysteroscopy. | | So tomorrow at 8 am (WHAT??????) I’ll be at the hospital for day surgery | (it’s too painful for me although I know it shouldn’t be to have without a | general) to see what’s up there. | | I’ll keep you posted but might be too washed out in the evening to do | anything other than go to bed. | | In the meantime, has anyone else had these symptoms, possibly related to bc | medication? | | Mary | |

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But there again, even though I didn’t think of telling my consultants about it, should they have not considered it relevant? I mean, if there is a connection, wouldn’t they have examined for that possibility?

Black apple,   You are sounding a little naive to me.  If you are going to try to figure out what is wrong, I recommend asking for copies of all your blood tests.   That is a start.  Understanding them all is next.  Then you can start trying to figure out which other ones you need.  Don’t hesitate to come back here or alt.support.thyroid to get help with the blood tests. Also, keep in mind that 1. even though doctors often do screening tests, there are always others that go into more depth, 2. reference ranges for normal values are very wide, and individual differences are great, 3. not everything actually shows up on blood tests.   Yes, outright diabetes should probably have shown up in the blood tests, but if only screening blood sugars was done, even that could have been missed.  After hanging around health related newsgroups, I have learned to take nothing for granted. And, yes, sometimes doctors themselves screw up. L

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Thank you sincerely to the people who replied to this. I have to admit some of the things mentioned (all this "T" business) are a bit over my head at the moment – I had only read up on brief overviews about diabetes, and then when they said "no, it’s not that", I didn’t bother reading up any detail. However, I shall investigate forthwith. What has really given me "food for thought" (so to speak) is the mentioning of thyroid glands. As it happens, I have had something of a peculiarity about me all my life (there’s a confession!), namely my inability to feel cold when all around me do, yet I suffer from discomfort even in "mildly warm" weather. As for "hot sunny" weather, I’m a recluse indoors for most of the summer, whilst everyone else is basking in it. I’ve always been that way. Low temperatures seem to have no effect on me whatsoever. I’ve always wondered why I was different, and many years ago I’m sure someone said "probably your thyroid gland", but I never followed anything up. Hmmmm! But there again, even though I didn’t think of telling my consultants about it, should they have not considered it relevant? I mean, if there is a connection, wouldn’t they have examined for that possibility? Btw, as for the blood tests, I was told that I was tested for diabetes insipidus(?) and diabetes militus(?) – just those 2 types, as far as I know.

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Check out diabetes insipidus.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a bit of a medical mystery to two consultants who have been seeing me for over 6 months. I have severe urological and renal problems, together with a string of nearly 20 side-effects from all over my body, (but at the moment they are all minor, so I live with them, although I certainly don’t want my blurred vision to get worse!) If you read a list of "diabetes symptoms" you would say "Aha! They all prove you have diabetes!" and this is certainly what everyone first thought – BUT – several blood tests have all proved negative. They are all stumped. Is  there any condition that mimics diabetes, or alternatively, masks the evidence of diabetes in the blood? I’m clean-living btw, never touched drugs etc. Interested to know if anyone can relate to this. Thanks.

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I am a bit of a medical mystery to two consultants who have been seeing me for over 6 months.

Ugh.  Have you had really complete hormone workups?   I don’t really have an answer for you but maybe just a few suggestions, and hopefully others here will chime in. First, buy an inexpensive blood glucose monitor and check your blood sugar at various times, eg, fasting, an hour after a meal, etc., and after various foods, particularly carbohydrates.  You may be able to find some pattern, just anything. Second, get various thyroid hormones checked, NOT JUST TSH!!  I am talking about Total T4, Total T3, and Free T4 and Free T3– not just T3 uptake. Hypothyroid symptoms are very similar to diabetes symptoms.  An argument can be made that Free T3 levels most closely approximate cellular levels of thyroid hormone– though you could have thyroid hormone resistance, even. There is a condition called metabolic syndrome or Syndrome X, in which circulating insulin levels are high, though blood sugars are normal.  Sometimes people have this condition before they get diabetes.  How are your triglyceride levels, both fasting and after a meal?  This condition is marked by "bad" lipid levels.  This condition can be treated with diet and some use Naturally, I have ideas on alternative type treatments and so forth, but many people aren’t interested in those (no I don’t sell ANYTHING).  Just email me if you want any additional ideas. In any case, good luck in figuring this out. BL

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As far as I know, the only evidence of diabetes IS in the blood. The condition causes your body to stop handling sugar properly, resulting in a build up of glucose in your blood stream. All the symptoms are caused by this increase in glucose. So if your symptoms were caused by diabetes, then your blood tests would have shown this. Do you happen to know what kind of blood test they did, though? If they did an HbA1c test, that would measure your glucose levels for the last 3 months, and would be pretty conclusive, whereas if they did a ‘random’ test, then that only measures current levels, which could well be in the ‘normal’ range even if you are diabetic, because that would just measure glucose levels at that moment. I would hope they did the hba1c, but it’s worth checking, and asking for one if they didn’t. Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a bit of a medical mystery to two consultants who have been seeing me for over 6 months. I have severe urological and renal problems, together with a string of nearly 20 side-effects from all over my body, (but at the moment they are all minor, so I live with them, although I certainly don’t want my blurred vision to get worse!) If you read a list of "diabetes symptoms" you would say "Aha! They all prove you have diabetes!" and this is certainly what everyone first thought – BUT – several blood tests have all proved negative. They are all stumped. Is  there any condition that mimics diabetes, or alternatively, masks the evidence of diabetes in the blood? I’m clean-living btw, never touched drugs etc. Interested to know if anyone can relate to this. Thanks.

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I am a bit of a medical mystery to two consultants who have been seeing me for over 6 months. I have severe urological and renal problems, together with a string of nearly 20 side-effects from all over my body, (but at the moment they are all minor, so I live with them, although I certainly don’t want my blurred vision to get worse!) If you read a list of "diabetes symptoms" you would say "Aha! They all prove you have diabetes!" and this is certainly what everyone first thought – BUT – several blood tests have all proved negative. They are all stumped. Is  there any condition that mimics diabetes, or alternatively, masks the evidence of diabetes in the blood? I’m clean-living btw, never touched drugs etc. Interested to know if anyone can relate to this. Thanks.

If they are simply relying on a fasting blood test then you aren’t getting a true picture. Many diabetics can ace a fasting blood test, myself included.. You need either a glucose tolerance test or a Hba1c test. — Dave – 7:07:11 PM T2 – 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic Visit: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org – Davors Daily Aphorism: Woody Allen – - – "Having sex is like playing bridge.  If you don’t have a good partner, you’d better have a good hand." — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I am a bit of a medical mystery to two consultants who have been seeing me for over 6 months. I have severe urological and renal problems, together with a string of nearly 20 side-effects from all over my body, (but at the moment they are all minor, so I live with them, although I certainly don’t want my blurred vision to get worse!) If you read a list of "diabetes symptoms" you would say "Aha! They all prove you have diabetes!" and this is certainly what everyone first thought – BUT – several blood tests have all proved negative. They are all stumped. Is  there any condition that mimics diabetes, or alternatively, masks the evidence of diabetes in the blood? I’m clean-living btw, never touched drugs etc. Interested to know if anyone can relate to this. Thanks.

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"Dont girls have the ability to get wet even before puberty ?" I don’t think they get wet BEFORE puberty, but I also think some women don’t know how to masturbate after puberty even.  Have you asked her if she has ever masturbated?  If not, that could be part of the problem. She needs to know what sexual arousal feels like, and I think most people learn that by self-exploration long before they’re with someone else .  It may take a long time before she begins to relax and lose control of herself enough to let these feelings come out.  You may have to be very patient with her, such as spending alot more time on foreplay and just getting her to relax.  If you’re not up to that, a sex counselor (female of course) may be able to help her.  I still think she should have a hormone test, along with a thorough physical exam, to rule out other problems.

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i have known her from 2 years before marriage. but not sexual contact. At her home they discuss with siblings their experiences about their sex lives We discussed on length about the matters before marriage. she even knows what how her father did it with her mom the first time etc. so no repression of any kind. Dont girls have the ability to get wet even before puberty ?   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I agree with the comment that she needs to see if her hormone levels of T especially are normal. As she has not had interest or masturbated, the lack of sex drive could be very significant. The wife got pellet therapy for ERT which included 3 pellets of E and 2 pellets of T. The result was very pleasantly a boost in sex interest. Talking with local OBGYN that treats the wife, he has several patients that receive a couple of pellets of T every 4 months to give them back their lost sex drive. It worked he said. There can be a jillion reasons but most will not consider hormone levels before psychological testing. Ernie

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Hi, I’m not a Dr. but a patient that has learned a lot about hormone therapy in the last 10 years because the wife and I both receive ERT and TRT respectively. Yes, a woman should normally be tormented with sex drive as she enters puberty. She should have sex drive that makes her do risky things because it excites her to do them like flashing neighbors for instance. The lack of wetness could be a unique family characteristic but more than likely she has never experienced this interest in sex that the normal levels of testosterone in woman provides. Does the rest of her family enjoy good sex? T level sometimes drop after child birth in some women making them hate sex from that time on. This can sometimes be restored with T therapy and perhaps E as well. A good endocrinologist is very much needed. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have known her from 2 years before marriage. but not sexual contact. At her home they discuss with siblings their experiences about their sex lives We discussed on length about the matters before marriage. she even knows what how her father did it with her mom the first time etc. so no repression of any kind. Dont girls have the ability to get wet even before puberty ?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I agree with the comment that she needs to see if her hormone levels of T especially are normal. As she has not had interest or masturbated, the lack of sex drive could be very significant. The wife got pellet therapy for ERT which included 3 pellets of E and 2 pellets of T. The result was very pleasantly a boost in sex interest. Talking with local OBGYN that treats the wife, he has several patients that receive a couple of pellets of T every 4 months to give them back their lost sex drive. It worked he said. There can be a jillion reasons but most will not consider hormone levels before psychological testing. Ernie

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Hi, I agree with the comment that she needs to see if her hormone levels of T especially are normal. As she has not had interest or masturbated, the lack of sex drive could be very significant. The wife got pellet therapy for ERT which included 3 pellets of E and 2 pellets of T. The result was very pleasantly a boost in sex interest. Talking with local OBGYN that treats the wife, he has several patients that receive a couple of pellets of T every 4 months to give them back their lost sex drive. It worked he said. There can be a jillion reasons but most will not consider hormone levels before psychological testing. Ernie

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hi married 6 months back . she is 24. i am 32. she never got wet by any means. she doesnt know what is getting wet like. she only read about that. she never experienced it. never masturbated. right from day one i used ky jelly. otherwise intercourse would have been impossible. there was no problem of hymen breaking , because it broke during gyne chek for some infection in teens. we used all positions . i did oral on her. foreplay etc. symptoms : no sexual behaviour like desire, arousal , hornyness. no change in breasts like nipple erection no change in clitoris size , swelling etc no change in labia minora like swelling with blood no sign of any wetness. vulva is totally dry. now i use saliva for entering her. i know without it intercourse is impossible with her. she gets tired within 2 minutes . tells me to finish off. used vibrator on her . no use. gave viagara to her . no use. gave vitamin E for a month. her menses became thin. but no change in any sexual thing. pls help.

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Have you checked for other obvious signs of life such as breathing and pupil reaction? Sorry… very flippant of me! Has your wife always been like this, back into her teens and before you were married? What was her childhood like? Was she brough up in a house where sex was seen as disgusting..? i.e. was she sexually repressed as a child by parents or guardians? I know little about what possible medical causes could display themselves in symptoms such as these, but to be honest, it does look cerebral to me! Have you or she considered counselling? This appears to be quite deep-rooted and I think that you should BOTH seek qualified medical help. A.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi married 6 months back . she is 24. i am 32. she never got wet by any means. she doesnt know what is getting wet like. she only read about that. she never experienced it. never masturbated. right from day one i used ky jelly. otherwise intercourse would have been impossible. there was no problem of hymen breaking , because it broke during gyne chek for some infection in teens. we used all positions . i did oral on her. foreplay etc. symptoms : no sexual behaviour like desire, arousal , hornyness. no change in breasts like nipple erection no change in clitoris size , swelling etc no change in labia minora like swelling with blood no sign of any wetness. vulva is totally dry. now i use saliva for entering her. i know without it intercourse is impossible with her. she gets tired within 2 minutes . tells me to finish off. used vibrator on her . no use. gave viagara to her . no use. gave vitamin E for a month. her menses became thin. but no change in any sexual thing. pls help.

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Duh did you ever try seeking some reputable medical solution to your problem instead of fucking around on your own.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi married 6 months back . she is 24. i am 32. she never got wet by any means. she doesnt know what is getting wet like. she only read about that. she never experienced it. never masturbated. right from day one i used ky jelly. otherwise intercourse would have been impossible. there was no problem of hymen breaking , because it broke during gyne chek for some infection in teens. we used all positions . i did oral on her. foreplay etc. symptoms : no sexual behaviour like desire, arousal , hornyness. no change in breasts like nipple erection no change in clitoris size , swelling etc no change in labia minora like swelling with blood no sign of any wetness. vulva is totally dry. now i use saliva for entering her. i know without it intercourse is impossible with her. she gets tired within 2 minutes . tells me to finish off. used vibrator on her . no use. gave viagara to her . no use. gave vitamin E for a month. her menses became thin. but no change in any sexual thing. pls help.

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Sham Ben, Clearly you have shown that you are very frustrated with this problem. My question is this.  Is your wife frustrated with the problem? Only she can make progress in this area, but she has to be motivated to do so.  She needs to seek counseling or a group where she can learn how to pleasure herself.  She is disassociated from her own sexual feelings and needs to get reconnected.  But if she is satisfied with her current state, she won’t do the work required to learn the pleasures of her own body.  - David If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   – A. Maslow

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi married 6 months back . she is 24. i am 32. she never got wet by any means. she doesnt know what is getting wet like. she only read about that. she never experienced it. never masturbated. right from day one i used ky jelly. otherwise intercourse would have been impossible. there was no problem of hymen breaking , because it broke during gyne chek for some infection in teens. we used all positions . i did oral on her. foreplay etc. symptoms : no sexual behaviour like desire, arousal , hornyness. no change in breasts like nipple erection no change in clitoris size , swelling etc no change in labia minora like swelling with blood no sign of any wetness. vulva is totally dry. now i use saliva for entering her. i know without it intercourse is impossible with her. she gets tired within 2 minutes . tells me to finish off. used vibrator on her . no use. gave viagara to her . no use. gave vitamin E for a month. her menses became thin. but no change in any sexual thing. pls help.

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sounds medical to me.  find an md who treats hypothyroid symptoms with Armour (check your pharmacies for who) and get started looking.  A few hormones out of balance would cause this

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi married 6 months back . she is 24. i am 32. she never got wet by any means. she doesnt know what is getting wet like. she only read about that. she never experienced it. never masturbated. right from day one i used ky jelly. otherwise intercourse would have been impossible. there was no problem of hymen breaking , because it broke during gyne chek for some infection in teens. we used all positions . i did oral on her. foreplay etc. symptoms : no sexual behaviour like desire, arousal , hornyness. no change in breasts like nipple erection no change in clitoris size , swelling etc no change in labia minora like swelling with blood no sign of any wetness. vulva is totally dry. now i use saliva for entering her. i know without it intercourse is impossible with her. she gets tired within 2 minutes . tells me to finish off. used vibrator on her . no use. gave viagara to her . no use. gave vitamin E for a month. her menses became thin. but no change in any sexual thing. pls help.

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Ben, I’ve been there myself.  Here’s my advice.  Look at her a lot.  Tell her she is pretty.  When she washes dishes, stand behind her and kiss her neck.  Take her out for an evening, just the two of you.  Kiss her again. Try stroking her; her arms; later, her legs.  Look at her.  Tell her you adore her.  Mean it.  Get her a little gift, surprise her.  Make her know that you are thinking of her.  Kiss her again, hug her, sit next to her, and love her. I’m over 50 yrs old, have trouble with my own erections, but these ideas have never failed to arouse a woman I’ve been with. Joe Bruzzo

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi married 6 months back . she is 24. i am 32. she never got wet by any means. she doesnt know what is getting wet like. she only read about that. she never experienced it. never masturbated. right from day one i used ky jelly. otherwise intercourse would have been impossible. there was no problem of hymen breaking , because it broke during gyne chek for some infection in teens. we used all positions . i did oral on her. foreplay etc. symptoms : no sexual behaviour like desire, arousal , hornyness. no change in breasts like nipple erection no change in clitoris size , swelling etc no change in labia minora like swelling with blood no sign of any wetness. vulva is totally dry. now i use saliva for entering her. i know without it intercourse is impossible with her. she gets tired within 2 minutes . tells me to finish off. used vibrator on her . no use. gave viagara to her . no use. gave vitamin E for a month. her menses became thin. but no change in any sexual thing. pls help.

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"pls help." Your question isn’t exactly relevent to this discussion group, but I’m enough of a dumb extrovert to wade in with my unprofessional opinions. Did you have intercourse with her before you married?  Was she different then?  Did she have sexual experiences with other men before meeting you? Do you come from a society where there was no contact with your bride-to-be before marriage?  I ask this because I would think you’d have some sense of her sexual responsiveness before you married her if you came from the US.  That’s alot of why we have dating here. Is there any possibility she could have been sexually abused as a child or was raised in a repressive environment regarding sex? Maybe she’s gay? Why did she marry you? Why did you marry her? Some women have hormone deficiencies just as those of us on this NG.  If she’s asexual, she could have a testosterone deficiency, but I don’t know enough about either of you to know what’s happening. Maybe she should see a doctor for a complete physical, including hormone tests. Maybe your mannerisms are all wrong. If you believe in marriage, it doesn’t matter the causes; you’re both going to have to do alot of work.

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oh, and eddie? CONGRATS ON YOUR HOF!

Thank you kindly rosie.  You are part of the reason I’ve got that HOF to wave all over.  Take a bow girl. Eddie

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this newsgroup is the bomb, ain’t it? — read and post daily, it works! rosie ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7th,  I WILL VOTE FOR AL GORE ! http://www.algore2000.com/byoc/campaign/39ac3eb7b527b.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – oh, and eddie? CONGRATS ON YOUR HOF! Thank you kindly rosie.  You are part of the reason I’ve got that HOF to wave all over.  Take a bow girl. Eddie

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Postive thinking, and positive doing, you’ve got what it takes to overcome this Rosie.  (it sucks, but no point focusing on that) -Sass

you people are something else! thanks for all your well wishes and thoughts and prayers! i was talking to tom (husband) this evening about the fact that i think i am still in shock about this diagnosis, but that i will get a hold of it, and i will do my exercise, and i will NOT get

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – before bed, i check my messages and there you all are! the BENEFITS of being part of this group, never stop! goodnite! rosie

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thanks eddie! you have given my a great big SMILE! — read and post daily, it works! rosie ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7th,  I WILL VOTE FOR AL GORE ! http://www.algore2000.com/byoc/campaign/39ac3eb7b527b.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Rosie, I’m tagging on here because I didn’t get your original, but thankfully Elle was kind enough to reproduce it.  I wish there was something I could do to take this away Rosie.  It’s just not fair. You’ve quit for cripe’s sake, and you are doing the right thing. OK, it will serve as an example to other people, but it’s still unfair.  I know, I know… life isn’t fair.  That still isn’t going to stop me from saying that sometimes it bites.  FWIW Rosie, you have nothing but my thanks for all that you have done for the group in general, and me in particular, AND, my very best wishes and hopes for you to cope and handle this thing.  Have a nice day girl.  You deserve it. Eddie Just logging on quickly before I leave, and I saw this Thank God you quit when you did!  I know this isn’t good news, but it could have been much, much worse by now, I suspect I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Hugs, Elle 6m well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital airway disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< begin 666 adrin volden.vcf ` end Before you buy.

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oh, and eddie? CONGRATS ON YOUR HOF! — read and post daily, it works! rosie ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7th,  I WILL VOTE FOR AL GORE ! http://www.algore2000.com/byoc/campaign/39ac3eb7b527b.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Rosie, I’m tagging on here because I didn’t get your original, but thankfully Elle was kind enough to reproduce it.  I wish there was something I could do to take this away Rosie.  It’s just not fair. You’ve quit for cripe’s sake, and you are doing the right thing. OK, it will serve as an example to other people, but it’s still unfair.  I know, I know… life isn’t fair.  That still isn’t going to stop me from saying that sometimes it bites.  FWIW Rosie, you have nothing but my thanks for all that you have done for the group in general, and me in particular, AND, my very best wishes and hopes for you to cope and handle this thing.  Have a nice day girl.  You deserve it. Eddie Just logging on quickly before I leave, and I saw this Thank God you quit when you did!  I know this isn’t good news, but it could have been much, much worse by now, I suspect I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Hugs, Elle 6m well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital airway disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< begin 666 adrin volden.vcf ` end Before you buy.

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well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after

Rosie, I am so very sorry to hear this.  Did the doctor give you inhalers? Exercise is important, but I do believe it can be prevented from getting any worse.  Take care, hon. Katie 9M <b<font color="#0000FF"~*~Katie~*~</font color <font color="#FF0000"I believe that if I should die, and you were to walk near my grave, from the very depths of the earth I would hear your footsteps.~~B Galdos</b</font color

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Hi Rosie, I’m tagging on here because I didn’t get your original, but thankfully Elle was kind enough to reproduce it.  I wish there was something I could do to take this away Rosie.  It’s just not fair. You’ve quit for cripe’s sake, and you are doing the right thing. OK, it will serve as an example to other people, but it’s still unfair.  I know, I know… life isn’t fair.  That still isn’t going to stop me from saying that sometimes it bites.  FWIW Rosie, you have nothing but my thanks for all that you have done for the group in general, and me in particular, AND, my very best wishes and hopes for you to cope and handle this thing.  Have a nice day girl.  You deserve it. Eddie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just logging on quickly before I leave, and I saw this Thank God you quit when you did!  I know this isn’t good news, but it could have been much, much worse by now, I suspect I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Hugs, Elle 6m well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital airway disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< begin 666 adrin volden.vcf ` end Before you buy.

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*Dear* Rosie, Am very sorry to hear of your diagnosis.  It can’t be easy to speak of  this kind of news, but I’ll bet the farm that you kept some folks off the weed for another day by doing so.  You are an inspiration to untolled numbers of quitters. You are in my thoughts and prayers, Rosie. Tammy

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while my grandmother was dying from END STAGE EMPHYSEMA (a terrible death) she was begging for a cigarette, squeezing my hand, with tears in her eyes, because she knew i had cigarettes! i would smoke BIG TIME all the way home!  :( unfortunately, smoking related illnesses, NEVER slowed my damn smoking down! ADDICTS HAVE THICK HEADS! rosie vof — read and post daily, it works! rosie ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 7th,  I WILL VOTE FOR AL GORE ! http://www.algore2000.com/byoc/campaign/39ac3eb7b527b.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m really sorry to hear this.  You’ve been an inspiration to many, and I expect that this will inspire even more to read and post and stick with their quits.  Good luck and strength. Diane M. well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<   adrin volden   Additional Information:   Version   2.1   Last Name volden   First Nameadrin   Revision  20000923T143037Z

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big hugs to you, Rosie. I will not puff. I do not puff. I read instead. And post from time to time, too. Rosie, I’m hoping you’ve caught it at an early stage, and that through exercise, good living and not smoking, that it will not progress further. Best of my wishes to you. …pat. (31-07-00) — Pat & Ash http://www3.sympatico.ca/patash

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you people are something else! thanks for all your well wishes and thoughts and prayers! i was talking to tom (husband) this evening about the fact that i think i am still in shock about this diagnosis, but that i will get a hold of it, and i before bed, i check my messages and there you all are! the BENEFITS of being part of this group, never stop! goodnite! rosie

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A very sobering reminder indeed of the reality of what this is all about. bobf 6m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Dear Rosie, Sorry to read your news.  This is the one of the types of messages most of us just dread.  The better news, though, is that since you’ve been quit for a VOF time, the progress of the disease isn’t as advanced as it could have been. I see my doc Monday.. All my best thoughts with you. Morgan OF One year, eight months, one week, two days, 20 hours, 54 minutes and 42 seconds. saving $4,726.31

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Rosie, I can’t add anything much new to what others have said. You welcomed me first back in Mar. 98, and you’ve been a friend and supporter ever since. I hope you and the rest of us in this newsgroup have caught whatever we’re going to catch in time, if anything…especially a brighter future than we would have had otherwise! My prayers are with you… RayB DOF + 1/2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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I am so sorry to hear this Rosie.  I too have COPD.  I am just too chicken to get the tests done.  My doc did say to exercise and stay away from smoking.  He claims I will not get worse nor will I get better.  Did they put you on meds? Heather Eleven months, one week, five days, 14 hours, 1 minute and 10 seconds. 10457 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,882.35. Life saved: 5 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 25 minutes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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I’m really sorry to hear this.  You’ve been an inspiration to many, and I expect that this will inspire even more to read and post and stick with their quits.  Good luck and strength. Diane M.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<   adrin volden   Additional Information:   Version   2.1   Last Name volden   First Nameadrin   Revision  20000923T143037Z

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Miss Maggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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This hits all of us because it’s this sort of thing that made us want to quit. To be honest, we’re all at risk for this same thing and much worse and all we can do is hope that we’ve stopped our stupidity in time but there are no guarantees. I’m sorry you have to pay such a rotten price. I wish you the best and hopefully you’ve caught it in time. Take care, LadyNan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<                           Name: adrin volden.vcf    adrin volden.vcf       Type: VCard (text/x-vcard)                       Encoding: x-uuencode

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Rosie! I’m shattered to hear about this.  My prayers are with you. On the positive side, if you passed your treadmill at thirty pounds overweight, your lungs must be in pretty fair shape.  Also, you said "recently" started having some shortness of breath…  Perhaps this "condition" is being agravated by seasonal pollen or something and things will improve.  Do *LOTS* of exercise, and make them lungs do some work! We are all rooting for you! Read and post everyday, but do it on a treadmill! Joe L. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well, folks, my damn smoking history, has caught up with me, after i passed all of my physical (mammo, treadmill, thallium scan and tons of blood work) with flying colors, even with a 30 pound weight gain, all except i have recently started having some SHORTNESS OF BREATH, while doing my daily yoga, so i mentioned that to my doctor and WHAMO i am at the hospital disease". one doctor (my hubby) calls "small airway disease" and my doctor calls it EMPHYSEMA with either of these diagnosis’s, there is no cure! i can hopefully keep it from progressing, by increasing my exercise and staying away from smoke, completely! <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NOT ONE DAMN  PUFF! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE   VOF How Long Smober 190w 1d 9h 27m Cigarettes Not Smoked 66569 Money Saved $11,649.58 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< begin 666 adrin volden.vcf

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hell Rosie I can’t add anymore than has already been said …. Hugs and best wishes to you Rose you really are an inspiration to others. padders (

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How bout something non-nutrative like Guinness-for the record! It’ll gain weight on anybody. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What low carb foods are high in calories Bill (serious) Butter, sour cream, olive oil, many nuts, duck… — Alice F posting from a new account

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The carbs are from the barley malt in European beer not from corn syrup and straight sugar in Budweiser.  Makes a big difference in blood glucose. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, the USDA data-base (see my sig), doesn’t have Guinness in it. However, a regular (as opposed to light) beer has 13.1 grams of carb (150 calories). Hardly low carb, alas. I’d imagine that Guinness is higher carb than average. Those carbs’ll get you every time.

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(and no, dammit, didn’t gain a single ounce ) Well I don’t know of a single diet that produces results in a single day wombn. Have you not lost this need for everything to happen NOW thing yet? Hell no!  I’m American!

That ses it all Patience is one of the first thing I needed to learn when I was dx’d. Everything takes time, and eating carbs apparently makes you MORE hungry, the more of them you eat, but gaining weight from them isn’t any easier for "thinny" than losing it is for a "fatty" who cuts back on ‘em. this is true. You do realize, of course, that much of my whining is tongue in cheek, especially when there’s a smiley anywhere in the post.

I know that:-) Beav

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Beav posted (An aside.. A neighbour of mine (not diabetic) has been struggling with her weight for a few years, but recently discovered she was hypothyroid and wasn’t burning/converting hardly any of the calories she ate, but since she’s been on meds, her weight has started to drop for the first time ever. Have you had a thyroid test at all?)

Most of my thyroid was removed when I was 25 so I have been on Synthroid for the last 30 years.  My weight does not seem to be affected by the amount I take.  I do take enough to keep my readings for T3, T4, and TSH in the high normal range.  Prior to my surgery when I was hyperthyroid I gained weight and felt tired all the time. It was probably because my usual reaction to stress is to try and sleep it off. Thank goodness the doctor did a thyroid test before starting me on supplemental thyroid!! Me  Come to Denver sometime during the Stock Show so I can show you!) BeavWill you supply a nice big fat gun? If so then I’m there dudette You asked the wrong person there Beav.  I’m off to the Million Mom March in Washington this weekend. Take care, Cindy Type 2 Diabetes controlled by low carbing

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ME?? On a HORSE??. The closest you’ll ever see me to a horse is if it’s on a plate in front of me! and even then I wouldn’t touch it. Me and horses don’t mix. And one once bit my sons arm and nearly took it off.

Oh, my gosh.  Once when I was twelve and thought I could do anything my friends could do I actually tried to ride a horse bareback.  Yeooow.  Can’t believe I am still around to tell about it.  The only way I could stay on the %^$$& thing was to throw my arms around it’s neck.  To the horse, that meant, "Go faster." We came to a fence– as I could no longer guide the thing.  Fortunately the horse had a lot more sense than I did and stopped. I slipped off, rather shaken. I’ve always kind of liked horses after that– at a distance!!!!  Picture of horses I actually like a lot. Beav, you don’t hunt the fox, then.  I sort of pictured you on this country estate, dressed in red—— BL

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iow, "low carb" does NOT (necessarily) mean low calorie. What low carb foods are high in calories Bill (serious) to: beav, there is a VERY long list of foods that have zero carb.

I know that, but what low carb foods are high in calories? all of the following have ZERO carb: any pure fat, or pure meat, or ethyl alcohol. iow, the food is not "enhanced" or "sweetened" in any way. fat has 9 calories/gm.

Is that a high calorie count? (I don’t know as I don’t count calories) protein is nominally 4 calories/gm  (but there is variability depending on the specific   protein food) and vodka is 7 calories/gm (for the ethyl alcohol content)

A little old non drinker me —– fwiw, alice farber mentioned nuts.  but all nuts happen to have a small bit of carb content. 2 low carb nuts that i sometimes eat (at bedtime when my b/g is a bit high) are pecans and walnuts. pignolia nuts (a.k.a. pine nuts) and macadamia nuts are also low carb.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t see how you’re going to gain weight on a low carb diet myself, but then I’m just a bloke. to: beav, for weight, calories are a primary factor. Agreed. iow, "low carb" does NOT (necessarily) mean low calorie. What low carb foods are high in calories Bill (serious) Butter, sour cream, olive oil, many nuts, duck…

I don’t eat any of those. Will I survive I wonder Beav

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How bout something non-nutrative like Guinness-for the record! It’ll gain weight on anybody.

Not me, I’m tea-total Beav

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ME?? On a HORSE??. The closest you’ll ever see me to a horse is if it’s on a plate in front of me! and even then I wouldn’t touch it. Me and horses don’t mix. same here.  ever since that fall off the horse.  wanna see the pictures? they’re gross.

Not if there’s a horse in the picture I don’t. I don’t even like LOOKING at horses. They make good glue though Beav

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I don’t see how you’re going to gain weight on a low carb diet myself, but then I’m just a bloke. to: beav, for weight, calories are a primary factor.

Agreed. iow, "low carb" does NOT (necessarily) mean low calorie.

What low carb foods are high in calories Bill (serious) Beav

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iow, "low carb" does NOT (necessarily) mean low calorie. What low carb foods are high in calories Bill (serious)

to: beav, there is a VERY long list of foods that have zero carb. all of the following have ZERO carb: any pure fat, or pure meat, or ethyl alcohol. iow, the food is not "enhanced" or "sweetened" in any way. fat has 9 calories/gm. protein is nominally 4 calories/gm   (but there is variability depending on the specific    protein food) and vodka is 7 calories/gm (for the ethyl alcohol content) —– fwiw, alice farber mentioned nuts.  but all nuts happen to have a small bit of carb content. 2 low carb nuts that i sometimes eat (at bedtime when my b/g is a bit high) are pecans and walnuts. pignolia nuts (a.k.a. pine nuts) and macadamia nuts are also low carb. bill

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Beav posted Y’know, we get a LOT of posts on here about how low-carbing (even just LOWER-carbing) has resulted in good sugar levels, but we also here that massive weight loss is experienced by the low-carbers. I don’t see how you’re going to gain weight on a low carb diet myself, but then I’m just a bloke. Beav Beav, Not everyone who low carbs loses "massive" amounts of weight.

I know, which is why I didn’t say EVERYONE My own weight loss is extremely slow even on 30 gr of carb per day.  As a Type 2 bg control was almost instant.

But you ARE losing weight, even if it IS slow. (An aside.. A neighbour of mine (not diabetic) has been struggling with her weight for a few years, but recently discovered she was hypothyroid and wasn’t burning/converting hardly any of the calories she ate, but since she’s been on meds, her weight has started to drop for the first time ever. Have you had a thyroid test at all?) I obviously don’t have any experience with Type 1 but Dr. Bernstein is a Type 1 and before he started low carbing he was extremely underweight with many diabetic complications.  He says in his book that he gained weight while low carbing.  Since I’m not Type 1 and definitely not underweight I didn’t pay much attention to how this works but it was explained.

Explanations abound for everything we want to happen Caprice, yet we still have thin people who want to gain weight, and heavy people who want to lose it, so all the explanations in the world aren’t working. If you can get a copy of the book you might want to read it.

Please, no I don’t go much for fad diets and I CERTAINLY don’t go along with lo-carbing for T1’s. I tried it and it wasn’t just a waste of my time, it was actually bloody hard work staying up on my feet an hour after eating, and I had NO energy to speak of. I won’t be taking a trip down that road again.  Right now you have a plan that works for you but more information can’t hurt.

Agreed, but the lo-carb fraternity seem to believe that lo-carbing is responsible for the weight control as well as helping their sugar control. I can’t see how it can work both ways, (gaining and losing) but like I said, I’m just a bloke and know bugger all about food. (I’m married and don’t even know how to turn the cooker on:-) The more tools and options we have the better our chances are of taming the diabetes beast.(The picture in my mind is of rodeo bronco riding.  I see you as staying on thru the timer and kicking with flair.

ME?? On a HORSE??. The closest you’ll ever see me to a horse is if it’s on a plate in front of me! and even then I wouldn’t touch it. Me and horses don’t mix. And one once bit my sons arm and nearly took it off.  Come to Denver sometime during the Stock Show so I can show you!)

Will you supply a nice big fat gun? If so then I’m there dudette Take care,

Ditto Beav

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I should weight myself and see if I gained anything yesterday.  Wouldn’t that be cool????  (I can hope, can’t I?) Y’know, we get a LOT of posts on here about how low-carbing (even just LOWER-carbing) has resulted in good sugar levels, but we also here that massive weight loss is experienced by the low-carbers. I don’t see how you’re going to gain weight on a low carb diet myself, but then I’m just a bloke. oh no, you misunderstood!  Yesterday, because I was hungry ALL DAY, I ate a TON of carbs.  Just a ton. A whole ton. not half a ton.  :-) (and no, dammit, didn’t gain a single ounce )

Well I don’t know of a single diet that produces results in a single day wombn. Have you not lost this need for everything to happen NOW thing yet? Patience is one of the first thing I needed to learn when I was dx’d. Everything takes time, and eating carbs apparently makes you MORE hungry, the more of them you eat, but gaining weight from them isn’t any easier for "thinny" than losing it is for a "fatty" who cuts back on ‘em. Beav

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Beav posted Y’know, we get a LOT of posts on here about how low-carbing (even just LOWER-carbing) has resulted in good sugar levels, but we also here that massive weight loss is experienced by the low-carbers. I don’t see how you’re going to gain weight on a low carb diet myself, but then I’m just a bloke. Beav

Beav, Not everyone who low carbs loses "massive" amounts of weight.  My own weight loss is extremely slow even on 30 gr of carb per day.  As a Type 2 bg control was almost instant. I obviously don’t have any experience with Type 1 but Dr. Bernstein is a Type 1 and before he started low carbing he was extremely underweight with many diabetic complications.  He says in his book that he gained weight while low carbing.  Since I’m not Type 1 and definitely not underweight I didn’t pay much attention to how this works but it was explained.  If you can get a copy of the book you might want to read it.  Right now you have a plan that works for you but more information can’t hurt.  The more tools and options we have the better our chances are of taming the diabetes beast.(The picture in my mind is of rodeo bronco riding.  I see you as staying on thru the timer and kicking with flair.  Come to Denver sometime during the Stock Show so I can show you!) Take care, Cindy Type 2 Diabetes controlled by low carbing

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iow, "low carb" does NOT (necessarily) mean low calorie. What low carb foods are high in calories Bill (serious)

hmmm…   calories.   that did get shuffled under the carpet.   <wry grin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -to: beav, there is a VERY long list of foods that have zero carb. all of the following have ZERO carb: any pure fat, or pure meat, or ethyl alcohol. iow, the food is not "enhanced" or "sweetened" in any way. fat has 9 calories/gm. protein is nominally 4 calories/gm  (but there is variability depending on the specific   protein food)

<snip remaining the highest calorie foods in my diet are pure fats like: olive oil, and wheat germ oil, and cod liver oil. they are at least 120 calories/tablespoon. red meat (that has high fat), is another high calorie food with zero carb. salami also has high fat and high calories and little or no carb. etc. etc. bill

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Wombn wrote not preggers (T.O.M. in progress) ***Why*** am I so hungry?  My stomach is STUFFED.   I’ve been eating ALL DAY.

I vote for T.O.M.  It always used to spike my appetite!  As for why – I don’t know. Take care, Cindy

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Wombn. I can’t remember if you were the one who wrote in elsewhere that you are very thin and actually have trouble gaining weight and that you are eating 3000 calories a day and still cannot gain?  If you are, then I wonder if changing your eating patterns drastically has had some kind of effect on you that now makes your appetite different. Dolores

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – said: Wombn. I can’t remember if you were the one who wrote in elsewhere that you are very thin and actually have trouble gaining weight and that you are eating 3000 calories a day and still cannot gain? that was pre-diagnosis.  Last summer. but yes, I’m still far too thin.  My body seems to be stuck betwen 115 and 117. If you are, then I wonder if changing your eating patterns drastically has had some kind of effect on you that now makes your appetite different. Actually, I did radically change my eating habits.  Went lo-carb.  For the past 7 months.  Somewhat more carbs now that I’m on insulin, but still far lower than the ADA recommends. I should weight myself and see if I gained anything yesterday.  Wouldn’t that be cool????  (I can hope, can’t I?)

Y’know, we get a LOT of posts on here about how low-carbing (even just LOWER-carbing) has resulted in good sugar levels, but we also here that massive weight loss is experienced by the low-carbers. I don’t see how you’re going to gain weight on a low carb diet myself, but then I’m just a bloke. Beav

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How bout something non-nutrative like Guinness-for the record! It’ll gain weight on anybody. What low carb foods are high in calories Bill (serious) Butter, sour cream, olive oil, many nuts, duck…

Well, the USDA data-base (see my sig), doesn’t have Guinness in it. However, a regular (as opposed to light) beer has 13.1 grams of carb (150 calories). Hardly low carb, alas. I’d imagine that Guinness is higher carb than average. Those carbs’ll get you every time. — AF For accurate info about nutritional content of a gazillion foods, go to the USDA database at http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

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I don’t see how you’re going to gain weight on a low carb diet myself, but then I’m just a bloke.

to: beav, for weight, calories are a primary factor. iow, "low carb" does NOT (necessarily) mean low calorie. bill t1 since ‘57

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t see how you’re going to gain weight on a low carb diet myself, but then I’m just a bloke. to: beav, for weight, calories are a primary factor. Agreed. iow, "low carb" does NOT (necessarily) mean low calorie. What low carb foods are high in calories Bill (serious)

Butter, sour cream, olive oil, many nuts, duck… — Alice F posting from a new account

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What exactly did you eat, maybe that has something to do with the way you feel. Please let us know. Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thought maybe it was lack of carbs.  Ate a bunch nope.  not that. ate fat. nope.  not that. ate protein nope. not that. drank a buncha water. nope. not that. not preggers (T.O.M. in progress) ***Why*** am I so hungry?  My stomach is STUFFED.   I’ve been eating ALL DAY. I did have more coffee this morning than usual.  Ever heard of that? Is this something normal humans go through? (I freely admit that I’m not normal.  If only because I’ve rarely felt hungry for the past 25 years or so). bg high of course then down then up then down What is *going on*?? — Type 1  since 10/99, 10L & 2R (using GentleJet) since Mar 00 HbA1c: 10/99: 12.1, 3/00: 5.6 lo-carb, increasingly Paleolithic "never never give up", Winston Churchill. "or find another way", wombn http://www.mindspring.com/~wombn

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I did have more coffee this morning than usual.  Ever heard of that?

Could be this.  It can raise your metabolism, which could make you hungry. Is this something normal humans go through?   (I freely admit that I’m not normal.  If only because I’ve rarely felt hungry for the past 25 years or so).

Well, I usually eat before I get too hungry. My daughter with diabetes isn’t hungry when her thyroid medication is too low.  It is a weird thing– she is a little too thin, and if she gets hypothyroid she doesn’t feel like eating.   So, I vote for the coffee for causing this. But it could be something else.  Let us know. BL

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I know they did a TSH test.  Maybe I should look at those numbers again. Just in case.

Look at my latest posts under the "depression" thread– a couple of them–TSH is certainly not enough to diagnose hypothyroidism.  Did you know that’s a pituitary hormone, not a thyroid hormone?????  If you have hypothyroid symptoms, you need to get everything checked, including "Free T3" and "Total T3" (T3 uptake is NOT the same thing). Furthermore, if Free T3, Free T4 are in the lower third of normal, and you have hypothyroid symptoms, you might be well advised to get a TRH stimulation test. BL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Thought maybe it was lack of carbs.  Ate a bunch nope.  not that. ate fat. nope.  not that. ate protein nope. not that. drank a buncha water. nope. not that. not preggers (T.O.M. in progress) ***Why*** am I so hungry?  My stomach is STUFFED.   I’ve been eating ALL DAY.

The more you have, the more you want. I did have more coffee this morning than usual.  Ever heard of that?

I wouldn’t think it’s got anything to do with coffee, but I could be wrong. Is this something normal humans go through?  

What’s normal (I freely admit that I’m not normal.  If only because I’ve rarely felt hungry for the past 25 years or so). bg high of course then down then up then down What is *going on*??

Carbs have the added luxury of making you feel hunger AFTER you’ve eaten them. Or so I’ve heard. Beav

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I’ve been to my doctor and tried all kinds of drugs to clear my sinus passages (he’s now thinking I may be allergic to my two cats, which I’ve had for quite some time). I’ll stand on my head if I have to; does anyone have any alternative suggestions? Thanks, Talion

Well, it could be the cats, but have you tried eliminating milk?  It  can be mucous forming.  Also, my daughter has been helped by thyroid hormone. (despite normal blood tests).  Do you have chronically low body temperatures or other hypothyroid symptoms?  BL

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BL1204      Try stinging nettles.  Take a max of two freeze dried caps every two hours as needed.  It works well Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been to my doctor and tried all kinds of drugs to clear my sinus passages (he’s now thinking I may be allergic to my two cats, which I’ve had for quite some time). I’ll stand on my head if I have to; does anyone have any alternative suggestions? Thanks, Talion Well, it could be the cats, but have you tried eliminating milk?  It  can be mucous forming.  Also, my daughter has been helped by thyroid hormone. (despite normal blood tests).  Do you have chronically low body temperatures or other hypothyroid symptoms?  BL

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Try aromatherapy.  Great book with many remedies is Aromatherapy by Valerie Gennari Cooksley.  Eucalyptus is best essential oil, also tea tree, hyssop, juniper, lavender, lemon, pine, rosemary and sandalwood.  Put a few drop in boiling water; make tent with towel and inhale.  Many other remedies in her book.  Everything I have used it for so far has worked! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been to my doctor and tried all kinds of drugs to clear my sinus passages (he’s now thinking I may be allergic to my two cats, which I’ve had for quite some time). I’ll stand on my head if I have to; does anyone have any alternative suggestions? Thanks, Talion

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I’ve been to my doctor and tried all kinds of drugs to clear my sinus passages (he’s now thinking I may be allergic to my two cats, which I’ve had for quite some time). I’ll stand on my head if I have to; does anyone have any alternative suggestions? Thanks, Talion

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suffer quite a bit. Not severe infections where antibiotics are necessary, but continuous over production of mucous accoring to the specialist I saw. I was put on a c..steroid inhaler which helped tremendously fro the first few months. However the problem persists, but not quite as bad. I have  tried everything. I take all the right nutritional supplements, but I can’t cut out dairy produce, I like them too much.  Steam inhalation with some mixtures of essential oils certainly help but only temporarily. I have come to the conclusion I am stuck with it. Guess I just have to quit smoking. But what about everything else in the air? Howdy. You are NOT stuck with chronic sinusitis. First, dairy has NOTHING to do with mucus production.  That is an old wive’s tale.  Several well designed studies have proved the supposed link between dairy and sinusitis  (and otitis) to be a bunch of baloney, now mostly promulgated by the sort of weirdos who don’t want anyone else to eat foods they don’t find politically correct.  Unless you have a rare and specific dairy allergy, you can eat dairy until the cows come home with no negative effects on your sinuses.  I get so tired or reading this folkloric nonsense on the internet.  MILK DOES NOT CAUSE MUCUS PRODUCTION OR THICKENING, PERIOD.

allergic reactions to milk are rare? do you have proof of this? and don’t those allergic reactions often include mucus production? Remove one ‘m’ from mpinet to use your reply option….. "Very funny, Scotty. Now beam down my clothes." Life may have no meaning. Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove. Ashleigh Brilliant

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So Unless you have a rare and specific dairy allergy, you can eat So dairy until the cows come home with no negative effects on your So sinuses.  I get so tired or reading this folkloric nonsense on the So internet.  MILK DOES NOT CAUSE MUCUS PRODUCTION OR THICKENING, So PERIOD. Shakyes   replied: Sh I’d have to agree with this except that allergy to milk isn’t all that Sh rare and worth considering if it’s a year-round problem.  Given that Sh this person’s problems are cyclical, it’s probably more likely to be an Sh inhalant problem which could be treated with several forms of allergy Sh treatment. Sh When I was allergic to milk, I used to have a horrible time with my Sh sinuses when I’d eat or drink milk products.  Even the smallest amount Sh hidden in a vitamin pill would cause me to stuff up.  Now that I am no Sh longer allergic to it, I can eat it all day without problem.     Gaylen, how did you become no longer allergic to milk?     P.S.  After I gave up drinking cow’s milk, my twice yearly strep     throats seemed to have dis-appeared. .. End  of  message  19 Mar 00  23:54:58 ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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Well, the belief that dairy products cause an increase or thickening of mucus certainly COULD be widespread because of experiences like mine, because the way I avoid sinus problems is precisely by avoiding dairy!   Let me have something with milk or ice cream in it, and sinus stuffiness and headaches are extremely predictable, like clockwork.   I never get indigestion from them – I haven’t yet met a food that gave me indigestion, except maybe cheeseburgers, which I don’t like to eat anyway and haven’t had in many years – but the reaction always happens *after* the milk or ice cream has completely passed through my system. So if I want sinus problems on Saturday, having a milkshake on Friday is the best way I know to guarantee it.  Very small amounts of butter or hard cheese don’t bother me at all, and I can even handle one slice of cheese pizza or a (small) piece of veggie lasagna without reaction, provided that I don’t do it again for the next few days.  Yogurt in moderate amounts is okay too, but not mllk or ice cream!  Guess everybody’s different and unique, after all. FWIW, I had more than my share of sinus and earache problems as a kid, being brought up in a milk drinking family. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice post AF. What makes it real is that you have been there and done that. This a always where one can find the best info. However the diary products may have a different effect on each person. Jan Thanks Jan.  Yes, SOME people are allergic to dairy products, although the commonest symptoms of that allergy are gasto-intestinal, not respiratory.  But other than allergy-mediated cases, which are not all that common in the US,  there is simply no mechanism whereby dairy could cause mucus production or mucus thickening, and quite a few careful studies prove it.  The belief that dairy causes sinus congestion, sore throats, or ear infections in otherwise non-allergic individuals is widespread and utterly false.  

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.  Great to see you, Kingoff, ka&g, Karuna,  Nightfall, Rich and a few others still holding the reasonable fort.

… well, sorta trying to… (hold the reasonable…) Really good to see you too.   The little bit of news I shared here a  few months ago continues to be  a happy story and the greatest miracle I have ever witnessed  -  a miracle of nature in my world view.

Very Best to you all. AF

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before the candida and parasite scares (now both fading into obscurity like the malarkey they were). I see you are still at it. You think they are fading. Not so….and they never were malarkey. Jan

Ahhhhh Jan – Can’t you just Let it Be – even just one time?? You’re incorrigible… k

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In article The belief that dairy causes sinus congestion, sore throats, or ear infections in otherwise non-allergic individuals is widespread and utterly false.   The poster in question suggested that s/he consumes a lot of dairy, and always has.  Presumably s/he has not always had sinus problems.  The poster also indicated that s/he smoked.  That is a *much* more likely and common cause of sinus and other respiratory problems

Thanks for letting me know it’s OK to keep with the dairy products. By the way I think it was me who said I smoked, not the original poster. Wishing you an abundance of all you desire, Regards, Ray ?: http://communities.msn.co.uk/RAYSNEWAYS ?: www.sixfigureincome.com/?160200 ?: http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=KBK864

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What is recommended for sinus problems?  PLEASE HELP!!!! Cindy

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Two yrs ago I developed chronic sinusitus (never had one before in my life) and it can be nasty. I use nasal irrigation regularly and it has been very effective. There are several methods but I use a stnd Water Pik with a special attachment (called a Grossman irrigator- found it thru a web site) that you place in your nostril. The basin is isotonic saline- just salt added to warm water.  Homeopathic remedies and other meds weren’t effective. Nasal irrigation sound gross but I even have my 6 yr old daughter do it and she didnt get a single cold this entire winter!! frank What is recommended for sinus problems? PLEASE HELP!!!! Cindy

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I’ll second that!  It can be messy and at first uncomfortable, but if you can get the gunk out, you’ll feel tons better. Also, a steam inhaler with tea tree oil, eucalyptus, and myhrr (just a drop of each) will also clear out your sinuses, and the oils have antibacterial effects which help prevent infections from taking hold.  If you don’t have a steam inhaler, a pot of boiled water and a bath towel draped over your head and the pot works just as well (just be careful and do not do it while the pot is on the stove!)  Breathe in through your nose, you may even feel the steam go right up between your eyes…then you know you’ve started to clear out. Orally, you can try a goldenseal root capsule with a 500mg tablet of vitamin C.  I don’t know why, but that seems to work as well for me as taking something like Sudafed.  And if your problems stem from allergies, try stinging nettle capsules.  Safe and they do wonders. Hugs, PJ. Astrology & New Age Garnered Images Astrology [ Where beauty moves and wit delights and signs of kindness bind me, there, oh there, wher'ere I go, I leave my heart behind me. (Thomas Ford, 1607) [

  Two yrs ago I developed chronic sinusitus (never had one before in my   life) and it can be nasty. I use nasal irrigation regularly and it has   been very effective. There are several methods but I use a stnd Water   Pik with a special attachment (called a Grossman irrigator- found it   thru a web site) that you place in your nostril. The basin is isotonic   saline- just salt added to warm water.  Homeopathic remedies and   other meds weren't effective. Nasal irrigation sound gross but I   even have my 6 yr old daughter do it and she didnt get a single cold   this entire winter!!   frank   What is recommended for sinus problems? PLEASE HELP!!!!     Cindy       Before you buy.

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Thanks for the tips!! frank Also, a steam inhaler with tea tree oil, eucalyptus, and myhrr (just a = drop of each) will also clear out your sinuses, and the oils have = antibacterial effects which help prevent infections from taking hold. = Orally, you can try a goldenseal root capsule with a 500mg tablet of = vitamin C. I don't know why, but that seems to work as well for me as = taking something like Sudafed. Hugs, PJ.

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I have had great results with a product called Defendol.  My symptoms have been gone for 5 years. There are no side effects. Click on the link below and then go to Product Catalog to read about it. It's a Natural Medicine regulated by FDA. Alan -- http://www.futureopportunity.com

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-- A few weeks ago, I got some excellent results using a product I'd never tried before, J's Nose Drops, after having a really rough time with sinuses and allergies that weekend and not getting much relief with anything tried.  After the 3rd application (spaced over a number of hours), the relief was considerable. ... A doctor friend questions the safety of one of the ingredients, which contains iodine, but she is also sensitive to iodine. Cliff Gieseke, San Antonio, Texas Before you buy.

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Which problem ? My problem was dry sinus in the winter that resulted in a bloody nose when I awoke. Tobasco sauce once a day stopped that. Gene - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - What is recommended for sinus problems?  PLEASE HELP!!!! Cindy

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I have had great results with a product called Defendol. My symptoms have been gone for 5 years. There are no side effects. Click on the link below and then go to Product Catalog to read about it. It's a Natural Medicine regulated by FDA. Alan

I've suffered horrible sinus problems for nearly 20 years. The reason: poor nutrition. Sinuses can be a canary in the coal mine kind of indicator. More fruits and vegetables, less dairy and sucrose should serve as a tonic. For extra insurance, I recommend a formula called Respir-All from Now Foods. It contains quercetin, nettle extract, bromelain and licorice. It's a tad expensive (around $14 for a 3 week supply, but worth it. I'm now completely symptom-free. Before you buy.

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Ze I've suffered horrible sinus problems for nearly 20 years. The reason: Ze poor nutrition. Sinuses can be a canary in the coal mine kind of Ze indicator. More fruits and vegetables, less dairy and sucrose should Ze serve as a tonic. For extra insurance, I recommend a formula called Ze Respir-All from Now Foods. It contains quercetin, nettle extract, Ze bromelain and licorice. It's a tad expensive (around $14 for a 3 week Ze supply, but worth it. I'm now completely symptom-free.     There are several companies which make quercetin plus bromelain     products. .. End  of  message ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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I agree with you about the importance of proper nutrition. Defendol is a medicine which deals with removing the effects of environmental pollutants. Pollution is a problem which seems to be getting worse all the time, and this is a way to help deal with that. It’s another approach. Alan — http://www.futureopportunity.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have had great results with a product called Defendol. My symptoms have been gone for 5 years. There are no side effects. Click on the link below and then go to Product Catalog to read about it. It’s a Natural Medicine regulated by FDA. Alan I’ve suffered horrible sinus problems for nearly 20 years. The reason: poor nutrition. Sinuses can be a canary in the coal mine kind of indicator. More fruits and vegetables, less dairy and sucrose should serve as a tonic. For extra insurance, I recommend a formula called Respir-All from Now Foods. It contains quercetin, nettle extract, bromelain and licorice. It’s a tad expensive (around $14 for a 3 week supply, but worth it. I’m now completely symptom-free. Before you buy.

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before the candida and parasite scares (now both fading into obscurity like the malarkey they were).

I see you are still at it. You think they are fading. Not so….and they never were malarkey. Jan

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AF Said person also said s/he smoked, an incredibly common cause of sinus AF problems.  And said person said s/he ate dairy all the time, yet the AF sinus problems were "cyclical."  Some sort of interaction between AF smoking and seasonal allergic triggers (hayfever, cedar fever, etc.) is AF the likeliest cause.  the Grossan irrigation method, plus quitting AF smoking, is the most natural alternative therapy.  Seasonal allergies     Aaron, a recent poster said their sinus problem was helped by taking     bromelain; quercitin; nettles; and licorence (sp). AF On another note, latest figures now show alternative medicine to be a AF 27 billion dollar unregulated, unaccountable industry with no ethical AF obligations to treat the needy, no standards for professional AF accreditation, and incredibly sloppy standards for scientific AF verification of claims. If it quacks like a duck, it is a duck.     Based largely because of a lack of an industry friendly regulatory     agency, say like a "Natural Health Administration."  Having the     same agency regulate both pharm drugs and nutritional supplements     does not appear to work in practice.  Alt health heads do not     want a pharm drug oriented agency to regulate nutri supplements.     Plus medical schools still do not teach much nutritional medicine     at the lower educational levels.     If the medical community really took natural/nutritional medicine     to their heart, many medical problems would disappear. AF Guess I’m sorta back.  But only for a day or two.  I won’t get sucked AF into this quicksand of a newsgroup again! Warm regards to old friends. AF Cheers!     Actually no one should get involved in endless arguments on any     topic.  Much better to say a few words of wisdom about good health     ideas. .. End of message             19 Mar 00  23:37 ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]

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Milk allergy is not uncommon, but not as common as the anti-milk PC police would have you believe.  It concentrates in certain ethnic populations, and generally causes severe gastro-intestinal distress that is unmistakable and generally causes a smart person to realize they shouldn’t be eating dairy products.

I agree here.  My son is very allergic to milk and not only has severe gastro-intestional distress, but his eczema flairs up.  I wonder about the digestive iritation affecting the sinuses negatively?  Just a thought. <snipped Guess I’m sorta back.  But only for a day or two.  I won’t get sucked into this quicksand of a newsgroup again! Warm regards to old friends.  Cheers!

More like viper pit lately.   Wear heavy rubber boots.  : ) So nice to see you, Foxy, no matter the duration of stay.   And, I hope your life is going as well as your stock portfolio.  : ) Connie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice post AF. What makes it real is that you have been there and done that. This a always where one can find the best info. However the diary products may have a different effect on each person. Jan Thanks Jan.  Yes, SOME people are allergic to dairy products, although the commonest symptoms of that allergy are gasto-intestinal, not respiratory.  But other than allergy-mediated cases, which are not all that common in the US,  there is simply no mechanism whereby dairy could cause mucus production or mucus thickening, and quite a few careful studies prove it.  The belief that dairy causes sinus congestion, sore throats, or ear infections in otherwise non-allergic individuals is widespread and utterly false.   The poster in question suggested that s/he consumes a lot of dairy, and always has.  Presumably s/he has not always had sinus problems.  The poster also indicated that s/he smoked.  That is a *much* more likely and common cause of sinus and other respiratory problems (also in the people who live with the smoker).  When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. Most of the time you’ll be right. Hope you are doing well.  Re our previous conversation, the stock of Elan PLC, the drug company I recommended for investment here several months ago, has risen from 27 to 44 since then, for a gain of 17 points, or roughly 40 percent since late November.  They have just had their new Alzheimer’s drug (betabloc) approved for clinical trials in England, and their revolutionary new pain medication is on  the FDA fast-track for approval in the US for — you guessed it — neuralgia and neuropathy, because early evidence shows it is a better drug for those kinds of pain

Great news and it has been tested against Neurotin? than anything else on the market  and it is an utterly new class of analgesic.  Elan has recently begun research in cancer therapy (they partnered with Liposome Inc.).  I say there’s probably still upside on this stock, though it is now trading at a 52-week (and all time) high and the big fast gain has already been realized.   While alts keep guessing and basing opinions on personal experience, massive advances are coming in proper, scientific medical research.  And you can make money on this trend to boot, if you invest in well-managed companies with promising new technologies. AF

Thanks for the info. If it’s better than Neurotin, I would like to try it.  Wonder how long it will take to have it approved?  Hope you are doing well too! Jan

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Unless you have a rare and specific dairy allergy, you can eat dairy until the cows come home with no negative effects on your sinuses.  I get so tired or reading this folkloric nonsense on the internet.  MILK DOES NOT CAUSE MUCUS PRODUCTION OR THICKENING, PERIOD.  

I’d have to agree with this except that allergy to milk isn’t all that rare and worth considering if it’s a year-round problem.  Given that this person’s problems are cyclical, it’s probably more likely to be an inhalant problem which could be treated with several forms of allergy treatment. When I was allergic to milk, I used to have a horrible time with my sinuses when I’d eat or drink milk products.  Even the smallest amount hidden in a vitamin pill would cause me to stuff up.  Now that I am no longer allergic to it, I can eat it all day without problem. Gaylen

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I suffer quite a bit. Not severe infections where antibiotics are necessary, but continuous over production of mucous accoring to the specialist I saw. I was put on a c..steroid inhaler which helped tremendously fro the first few months. However the problem persists, but not quite as bad. I have  tried everything. I take all the right nutritional supplements, but I can’t cut out dairy produce, I like them too much.  Steam inhalation with some mixtures of essential oils certainly help but only temporarily. I have come to the conclusion I am stuck with it. Guess I just have to quit smoking. But what about everything else in the air? Wishing you an abundance of all you desire, Regards, Ray ?: http://communities.msn.co.uk/RAYSNEWAYS ?: www.sixfigureincome.com/?160200 ?: http://alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=KBK864

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Nice post AF. What makes it real is that you have been there and done that. This a always where one can find the best info. However the diary products may have a different effect on each person. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You are NOT stuck with chronic sinusitis. First, dairy has NOTHING to do with mucus production.  That is an old wive’s tale.  Several well designed studies have proved the supposed link between dairy and sinusitis  (and otitis) to be a bunch of baloney, now mostly promulgated by the sort of weirdos who don’t want anyone else to eat foods they don’t find politically correct.  Unless you have a rare and specific dairy allergy, you can eat dairy until the cows come home with no negative effects on your sinuses.  I get so tired or reading this folkloric nonsense on the internet.  MILK DOES NOT CAUSE MUCUS PRODUCTION OR THICKENING, PERIOD.   Steam inhalation is only  a mild help, at best, for most people. Smoking is a *very* bad thing to do in any case, but ESPECIALLY with chronic sinus disease.  It will *never* get better if you keep smoking. Period. Once you quit smoking, you have basically three *proven* options, or "alternatives"  for effective sinus therapy. 1) Drugs (not always  good over the long term, but for many people with seasonal or occasional sinusitis and rhinitis,  it is perfectly rational to use steroidal inhalers and oral (not spray) decongestants and antihistamines, and antibiotics ONLY in the case of a documented bout of acute infectious sinusitis secondary to chronic structural problems).  There is, unfortunately, virtually no evidence that the frequently mentioned herbal medicines (goldenseal, echinacea, astragalus, ephedra) are any better than proper pharmaceutical drugs.  In fact, only goldenseal and ephedra appear to have any real effect on sinus disease, and then only as mild decongestants easily trumped by OTC pseudoephedrine and guaefenesin preparations.  No solid evidence exists that echinacea and astragalus, supposed "immune system boosters," can alleviate sinusitis.    * On the subject of drugs, NEVER use Afrin-type (oxymatazoline) inhaled decongestant products for more than one day in a row, or more than a few days a month.  These drugs have some place in the treatment of sinus disease, but they are "addictive" and cause "rebound" effects — the more you use, the worse your underlying disease gets and the more you need the drug, just like cocaine.  Oral decongestants — especially standard 60 mg (2x 30 mg) pseudoephedrine tablets (Sinutab, Sudafed) are fine for most people, but are also contraindicated for some patients. 2) Surgery: the gold standard, and what cured me and many people I know of life-wrecking sinus problems.  Functional Endoscopic (and now laser-guided) Sinus Surgery, or FESS, is used to reshape the structural anatomy of the sinus cavity, straighten the septum, remove dead and diseased tissue . . .  it can be a miracle.  But it is expensive and painful, though low risk.  If you do it, find an ENT surgeon who has done it *hundreds* of times and your odds of a good outcome increase dramatically.  Sometimes it needs to be done twice or three times to really take.  I worship my surgeon, who gave me my head back. 3) Pulsatile irrigation.  Saving the best for last, Dr. Murray Grossan has come up with a cheap, all-natural alternative therapy for chronic sinusitis.  It is a simple tip that attaches to a standard "Waterpik" device and delivers a pulsed stream of saline solution (you can make this yourself) through the sinus cavity. This not only cleans out the accumulated mucus, but also cleans surfaces, opens passages, and most importantly, the pulsatile stream restores proper ciliary motion, which is damaged by mucus accumulation (and, for you, by smoking.) Do it once or even twice a day and you may find that your sinus problems disappear or are massively alleviated very quickly.  The tip is about $17, a waterpik device is less than $50.  The setup will last a year at least, and saline is virtually free if you make it yourself. Read about the Grossan method at: http://www.ent-consult.com Note: I am in no way affiliated with Dr. Grossan or his company (although he is a nice guy), and have no financial interest in the Grossan tip.  I merely endorse it as a very satisfied customer.  It is the best "alternative" approach to sinus disease I am aware of. Note also: I am a layperson, not a medical doctor or medical professional of any kind. I am not even a chiropracter with a delinquent license.  This is informal advice based on personal experience. ANYONE with serious sinus problems should see a medical professional, particularly an ENT or Allergist.   AF

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Does anyone have any info if Tegretol causes excessive tooth decay? Sincerely, John

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Tegretol can cause dry mouth in some people…that can lead to tooth decay In article <38D1575A.3BC09…@wildapache.net

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John My daughter has taken tegretol & epilim (sodium valporate) for about 12 years now….. and so far only 2 fillings! HTH Babs John <jb…@wildapache.net

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********Both my Neuro and the Drugstore I get my Tegretol at had ‘Healthwatch’ printouts which advised to Keep all Dental Appointments. Apparently in SOME people it can rob Calcium (including from teeth). My DENTIST increased my RECALL Rate from each 6 months to each 4 months. Since 1995, I’ve had *NO* problems like some people reported. G.

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hello, I have complex partial,I have had It all my life (45yrs),I  was on tegretol,but not for long as I felt physically ill every morning,my teeth felt loose and my hair thinned on top and I have never had trouble with my hair before I started taking tegretol.I am now on lamictal,I feel better but my hair is still thin. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Evaluation of bone mineral density in children receiving antiepileptic drugs. Akin R, Okutan V, Sarici U, Altunbas A, Gokcay E Department of Pediatrics, Gulhane Military Medical Academy, Ankara, Turkey. The effects of the valproic acid and carbamazepine monotherapies on bone mineral density were evaluated. Bone mineral density was measured in 53 children with primary epilepsy taking either valproic acid (n = 25) or carbamazepine (n = 28) for longer than 1 year and in a healthy control group (n = 26) by the dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry method at L2-L4 levels of lumbar vertebrae. The mean serum levels of valproic acid and carbamazepine were 66 +/- 2.2 microg/mL and 7.0 +/- 9.3 microg/mL, respectively, and the mean duration of treatment for each drug was 2.4 +/- 0.2 years and 2.6 +/- 0.5 years, respectively. Calcium intakes in diet were similar in both the control and study groups. The serum levels of calcium and phosphorus in all groups were normal. Bone mineral density values of both valproic acid and carbamazepine groups were not statistically different from that of the control group (P

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I have been on Tegretol CR for several years and before that I was on Dilantin for a couple months.  After I had started on the Tegretol, I noted that my teeth were decaying in a weird way, even though I am almost anal by taking care of them and going to the dentist.  My dentist said it was a sign of decalcification.  The body is lacking calcium at dangerous levels so the body protects itself by taking calcium from the teeth and bones. Dilantin, and to a lesser extent, Tegretol, leach calcium and many other important vitamins and minerals, from the body.  Being on anticonvulsants, people should be taking multivitamins as supplements and extra folic acid. Ever since I have started on multivitamins and taking extra supplements of folic acid, my teeth have stopped the decaying process.  I hope soon to have a dentist reconstruct the teeth that were damaged before. I hope this helps from my experiences . . . Carrie

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One side effect of Tegretol is causing thyroid hormone to metabolize more quickly, causing a slight hypothyroid condition that could result in hair loss – just an idea. Other hypothyroid symptoms are tiredness, weightgain, dry skin, etc…might be worth asking about. As for the nightmares – I do not have that, but it certainly affects the quality of my sleep and I dream much more and seem to sleep so lightly and feel constantly tired. Yes, I have also woken crying. I think it is from frustration myself. I can’t sleep past 5am anymore. I hate these drugs. I am at 800mg daily. Take care and hope you feel better, Lisa. Debbie @}–

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I used to take depicote and that would make me almost jump out of bed at night with my heart pounding sometimes scared to death! Hope you all dont go through that.    Take care, stay healthy, your not alone!                    Andreas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -frnd2me wrote:

Hi…does anyone have these problems with their tegretol use? I have 2-3 nightmares per night…usually between 3-5 am….the last one just before 5 am usually is so bad i wake up screaming and crying……I also have oticed my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a bald spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening fullness in my hair…….. ….since the begininning side effects have lessened now….these and the fatigue i get are pretty much the only ones I seem to be dealing with right now….I am on 600mg per day total… Lisa

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…..I also have oticed my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a bald spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening fullness in my hair…….

First my hair started to thin, then it became dull and brittle, then my scalp became very sore all the time, then my skin on my face started becoming hard and brittle like an eggshell and it peeled, cracked and bled. Things got much worse after that. These are all signs that you are having a toxic reaction to the drug. donna Next mood swing: 10 minutes

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Hi all, I have been taking tegretol, 600mg per day, for ten years and have had no hair loss.  I still have to get it cut every three weeks.  No nightmares either but still feel unnecessarily drowsy sometimes. — With regards from…… Chris Little littlesoluti…@cableinet.co.uk SMS / Mobile Phone 0410-721075 Mobile Fax 07712-588866 frnd2me <frnd…@mhtc.net

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This is interesting.  I had a bad case of eczema for 9 years and my family doctor finally put me on a thyroid medication (Eltroxin) because he said that there was an imbalance with my thyroid gland.  I’ve been taking Carbamazepine (generic form of tegretol) for several years and over a period of (say 7 years I’m not quite sure though) my hair has thinned a bit and I do have a small bald spot on the back of my head (but so does my dad).   So I don’t know if the thinning hair is a result of Heredity, or because of the medication;  Upon my last physical,  the doctor said that everything is fine now (ie no more imbalances physically/medically).   Chris — "Tell me and I may forget, show me and I may remember,Involve me and I will understand"  - Chinese Proverb

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Hi Lisa, as far as I know all the epilepsy medication can have all kinds of depressive effects. In your situation  a low dosage of an antidepressant – e.g. amitriptilyne (Elavil) – may help to reduce the bad nightmares. Just an idea, you should discuss this with your neurologist. Dieter frnd2me <frnd…@mhtc.net

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Hi…does anyone have these problems with their tegretol use? I have 2-3 nightmares per night…usually between 3-5 am….the last one just before

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am usually is so bad i wake up screaming and crying……I also have

oticed

my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a bald spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening fullness in my hair…….. ….since the begininning side effects have lessened now….these and the fatigue i get are pretty much the only ones I seem to be dealing with right now….I am on 600mg per day total… Lisa

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    As one who has taken Tegretol for over twenty years now, I feel that I can comment on some of the side effects.  I am a male, 45 years old who has no problem with baldness from it.  When I first began taking it, I noticed a tendency to be tired more often, but then again, that is par for the course with  most seizure medications. I take 1600 mgms a day of  Tegretol C.R. As for nightmares, I can’t say I have them to any degree, other than the odd nocturnal aura.   Hope this helps,   Rod – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– "frnd2me" <frnd…@mhtc.net

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am usually is so bad i wake up screaming and crying……I also have

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my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a bald spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening fullness in my hair…….. ….since the begininning side effects have lessened now….these and the fatigue i get are pretty much the only ones I seem to be dealing with right now….I am on 600mg per day total… Lisa

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Hi, I used to take 600 mg of tegretol. I  noticed that I seemed to lose more hair than I used to, it was definitely  weaker and broke easily. I don’t have nightmares though, but I do dream very vividly! I now only take 300 mg of tegretol, and have noticed a slight improvement in the condition of my hair- but only now you have mentioned it! Fran – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -frnd2me wrote:

Hi…does anyone have these problems with their tegretol use? I have 2-3 nightmares per night…usually between 3-5 am….the last one just before 5 am usually is so bad i wake up screaming and crying……I also have oticed my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a bald spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening fullness in my hair…….. ….since the begininning side effects have lessened now….these and the fatigue i get are pretty much the only ones I seem to be dealing with right now….I am on 600mg per day total… Lisa

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Hi, after 2-3 years on Tegretol ‘CR’ I started having ‘breakthrough’ szrs during Both the Day and during the Night… The Nightmares

Probably

occur naturally, but since we awake more often when the Medication

isn’t

at the optimum level for the Full Night, you might be waking up before Morning… in ‘mid-dream’…  (a) if you mention these to your Doctor he might adjust the Night

time

Dosage slightly to reduce the med. wearing off overnight.  (b) our bodies ‘relax’ during the various ’sleep phases’ and lowering our ‘guards’ could make us more susceptible to szrs at Night (mine

start

in Rt. Temporal Lobe and generalize from there).  (c) Did you SEE a bunch of ‘Posts’ I put up about last October about

a

Dental ‘Occlusal Splint’ my Neuro recommended I get fitted for– it’s

a

wax ‘mouthguard’ that fits snuggly over TOP teeth at Bedtime. The Fitting and Lab costs are the Largest part of the cost (I have a

Dental

Plan in Canada)… I am SURE this thing has protected BOTH my Teeth

and

Tongue from ‘Nocturnal Seizures’ when the dosage levels were wearing

off

and needed adjusting. I DON’T have a recent Dollar cost for Y2000….

I

have an appointment for Later this year to be ‘refitted’ for a NEW set of splints since the original ones were made based on Molds taken in 1993… AT THAT TIME, and in Canadian Dollars, the IMPRINT cost about $250-350…. each ’splint’ cost $40-50… THOSE are probably HIGHER

now.

I’ll POST my ‘costs’ when I finally GET THEM.   The Splint is a soft Waxy Clear curve that fits *snuggly over the

TOP

teeth at bedtime… AFTER the first night, you won’t notice it’s

‘there’

… it’s about 1/4 inch thick or less. IF it changes colour to

‘cloudy’

it’s time to replace… MINE never did that, they were ‘destroyed/ bit through’ after 7-10 months and I’m SURE have prevented damage to Teeth and jaw from Nocturnal Grinding, etc. similar to what you

described….

  Since I haven’t posted information about that since Aug.99, I

thought

there may be other ‘newbies’ who hadn’t been TOLD about this

Protection

by their Neuros or Dentists… FOR **CHILDREN: My Dentist recommended going to a HOCKEY Supply

Store…

They sell mouth guards that cover BOTH Top and Bottom teeth during Hockey Games.. he Said to CUT THE GUARD in HALF, since you only NEED

the

Top part to protect BOTH teeth and Tongue from Nocturnal Damage…

they

are Cheaper than the ‘Adult Occlusal Splint’ and children’s mouths and jaws are still Growing so they’d need to be ‘refitted’ each 8-12

months

if they were using the ‘Dental one’.   If there’s a ‘hockey supply store’ near you, you could try ‘this version’ as a temporary solution. I preferred the Adult type since it

is

more closely matched to Jaw Line/Tooth Profile and I had enough

trouble

early on adjusting to Meds… I didn’t need a ‘foreign plastic thing’ (the Hockey Version) messing up my sleep.   LAST point, HAVE you ever noticed IF your Night Time Seizures or

Non-

sleeping happened MORE when a RAIN or SNOW storm was nearby? (MY C.P. seizures seemed to be WORSE when a LOW air pressure/Air Mass/was

moving

through… THOSE were nights I couldn’t get to sleep or had those

Awful

Headaches… 98% of those have Left now… but I just wondered if any Others have noticed Air Pressure effects on Brain (blood vessel) functions.)  Good day, G.R. (On Folic Acid…for a Brief time (mostly on Dilantin?) my Neuro also prescribed Folic Acid tablets… I THINK that aids Hair, Tooth, and

Bone

health as SOME Szr meds. ‘Rob Calcium’ from our bodies if we don’t eat or drink enough ’stuff with Calcium’. Folic Acid is present in Most Green Vegetables… spinach, asparagus, etc. IF your Dr. thinks it

could

help, you can get it in tablet form at most Pharmacies OR some Health food stores.G.) frnd2me wrote: Hi…does anyone have these problems with their tegretol use? I have

2-3 nightmares per night…usually between 3-5 am….the last one just before 5 am usually is so bad i wake up screaming and crying……I also have oticed my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a bald spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening fullness in my hair…since the begininning side effects have lessened now…these and the fatigue i get are pretty much the only ones I seem to be dealing with right now….I am on 600mg per day total…

Lisa

HEllo, I was told also to increase folic Acid. Tegeratol cr  Destroys the bodys ability to absorb folate.  Which now that I think of it is why my nails and hair look bad.  Ohhh well.   I dont have nightmares or dreams period.  I dont even want to wake up. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Hi…does anyone have these problems with their tegretol use? I have 2-3 nightmares per night…usually between 3-5 am….the last one just before 5 am usually is so bad i wake up screaming and crying……I also have oticed my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a bald spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening fullness in my hair…….. ….since the begininning side effects have lessened now….these and the fatigue i get are pretty much the only ones I seem to be dealing with right now….I am on 600mg per day total… Lisa

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  "frnd2me" <frnd…@mhtc.net

wrote:

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Hi…does anyone have these problems with their tegretol use? I have

2-3

nightmares per night…usually between 3-5 am….the last one just

before 5

am usually is so bad i wake up screaming and crying……I also have

oticed

my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a

bald

spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening

fullness in

my hair…….. ….since the begininning side effects have lessened now….these and the fatigue i get are pretty much the only ones I

seem to

be dealing with right now….I am on 600mg per day total… Lisa I have had no nightmares but my hair is breaking off more from the

root.  Find a good hairdresser to get a conditioner that will strenghten hair folics.  I got sleepy so Dr. reduced meds and boosted them else where seemed to work. talk to your neuro. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

Response:

Hi, after 2-3 years on Tegretol ‘CR’ I started having ‘breakthrough’ szrs during Both the Day and during the Night… The Nightmares Probably occur naturally, but since we awake more often when the Medication isn’t at the optimum level for the Full Night, you might be waking up before Morning… in ‘mid-dream’…  (a) if you mention these to your Doctor he might adjust the Night time Dosage slightly to reduce the med. wearing off overnight.  (b) our bodies ‘relax’ during the various ’sleep phases’ and lowering our ‘guards’ could make us more susceptible to szrs at Night (mine start in Rt. Temporal Lobe and generalize from there).  (c) Did you SEE a bunch of ‘Posts’ I put up about last October about a Dental ‘Occlusal Splint’ my Neuro recommended I get fitted for–

it’s a

wax ‘mouthguard’ that fits snuggly over TOP teeth at Bedtime. The Fitting and Lab costs are the Largest part of the cost (I have a Dental Plan in Canada)… I am SURE this thing has protected BOTH my Teeth and Tongue from ‘Nocturnal Seizures’ when the dosage levels were wearing off and needed adjusting. I DON’T have a recent Dollar cost for Y2000…. I have an appointment for Later this year to be ‘refitted’ for a NEW set of splints since the original ones were made based on Molds taken in 1993… AT THAT TIME, and in Canadian Dollars, the IMPRINT cost about $250-350…. each ’splint’ cost $40-50… THOSE are probably HIGHER now. I’ll POST my ‘costs’ when I finally GET THEM.   The Splint is a soft Waxy Clear curve that fits *snuggly over the TOP teeth at bedtime… AFTER the first night, you won’t notice it’s ‘there’ … it’s about 1/4 inch thick or less. IF it changes colour to ‘cloudy’ it’s time to replace… MINE never did that, they were ‘destroyed/ bit through’ after 7-10 months and I’m SURE have prevented damage to Teeth and jaw from Nocturnal Grinding, etc. similar to what you described….   Since I haven’t posted information about that since Aug.99, I thought there may be other ‘newbies’ who hadn’t been TOLD about this Protection by their Neuros or Dentists… FOR **CHILDREN: My Dentist recommended going to a HOCKEY Supply Store… They sell mouth guards that cover BOTH Top and Bottom teeth during Hockey Games.. he Said to CUT THE GUARD in HALF, since you only NEED the Top part to protect BOTH teeth and Tongue from Nocturnal Damage… they are Cheaper than the ‘Adult Occlusal Splint’ and children’s mouths and jaws are still Growing so they’d need to be ‘refitted’ each 8-12 months if they were using the ‘Dental one’.   If there’s a ‘hockey supply store’ near you, you could try ‘this version’ as a temporary solution. I preferred the Adult type since it is more closely matched to Jaw Line/Tooth Profile and I had enough trouble early on adjusting to Meds… I didn’t need a ‘foreign plastic thing’ (the Hockey Version) messing up my sleep.   LAST point, HAVE you ever noticed IF your Night Time Seizures or Non- sleeping happened MORE when a RAIN or SNOW storm was nearby? (MY C.P. seizures seemed to be WORSE when a LOW air pressure/Air Mass/was moving through… THOSE were nights I couldn’t get to sleep or had those Awful Headaches… 98% of those have Left now… but I just wondered if any Others have noticed Air Pressure effects on Brain (blood vessel) functions.)  Good day, G.R. (On Folic Acid…for a Brief time (mostly on Dilantin?) my Neuro also prescribed Folic Acid tablets… I THINK that aids Hair, Tooth, and Bone health as SOME Szr meds. ‘Rob Calcium’ from our bodies if we don’t eat or drink enough ’stuff with Calcium’. Folic Acid is present in Most Green Vegetables… spinach, asparagus, etc. IF your Dr. thinks it could help, you can get it in tablet form at most Pharmacies OR some Health food stores.G.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -frnd2me wrote:

Hi…does anyone have these problems with their tegretol use? I have 2-3 nightmares per night…usually between 3-5 am….the last one just before 5 am usually is so bad i wake up screaming and crying……I also have oticed my hair seems to be getting thinnier…not just in one spot…like a bald spot….more like an overall feeling of thinning and lessening fullness in my hair…since the begininning side effects have lessened now…these and the fatigue i get are pretty much the only ones I seem to be dealing with right now….I am on 600mg per day total… Lisa

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Welcome to the group Marie… You are certainly not alone in your weight loss journey.  We gather here to support each other on a daily basis.  Choose which WOE (way of eating) that you want to follow, drink lots of water, and post to this group often.  :-) Raven — 210/182/150 (first goal) Low-Fat WOE Favorite web site: www.dietwatch.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                     Thanks for listening….Marie

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Hi Marie! So glad you have found us!  This is a great group for the support you will need.  Sounds like you are now mentally ready to lose the weight. First we need to convince our minds first, then our body will start showing the weight loss. You said you were tired of lugging around  all that extra weight.  I can imagine!  Just think of that weight as another Marie inside of you waiting to get out.  Everyone gains weight for different reasons and we all have our breaking points.  I am so glad you have found us!  You will not regret it. And by the Way!  You are not a NOBODY!  You are a precious person put on  this earth for some purpose.  And it is up to you and others to find out the reason! Thanks for finding us Marie! 184-146(145-150) Lost Another One! 5′6"  Portion Control and Behaving Myself since August 1998. Linda             "Most People are Heavy from What they Eat Before,                After and In Between Meals Than From the                        Actual Meals Themselves."           —- Thin Tastes Better by Dr. Stephen P. Gullo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                     Thanks for listening….Marie

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marie, i have been where you are.you must find the strength to do this yourself.i tried so many diets and would end up blaming my husband for eating fattening foods in front of me or find all the excuses in the world to set myself up to fail.i could never find the time to exercise with 3 kids.then i realized if i can’t take 30 minutes out of a day for just me then there is something wrong.i set my 2 boys in front of the tv and let them watch "blues clues" and workout.they are not allowed to come in unless it is very important.it is hard work and starting is the hardest part.trust that there is light at the end of the tunnel.you may not see it for awhile but it is there.start everyday as a new day and make the choice to make it a good day.if you take it one day at a time and eat wrong things one day well then all you have to do is start the next day positively and forget what happened yesterday.at first i didn’t even set a real goal except to do the best i could for the day.it started very slowly.i mean the first few days i just exercised for 5 minutes but i figured it was 5 more mintues than i was doing the week before.be proud of any little baby steps you can make because in the long run all those baby steps will lead you to the end of the tunnel.i don’t mean to sound dramatic but it is like the saying "if you think you can..you can" hope this helps a little. barb

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Marie, One thing I had to realize early on is that you have to do this for yourself!  Not for your husband or your friends or anyone else.  My fiance is very lucky in the respect that he will probably never be overweight.  He doesn’t watch what he eats, he doesn’t exercise, yet he looks fine.   Me, on the other hand, looks at food and gains weight (okay, i’m being dramatic, but you get the picture). As great as Brian is in other respects, he just can’t comprehend why it is so hard for me to lose weight.  While I only have about 20 pounds to lose, those 20 pounds just don’t want to come off.  Brian thinks weight loss is easy, so when he comes home every night with a burger king bag, I can definately empathize with you! We’re all in this together and if you post, we will be here for you! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                    Thanks for listening….Marie

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Hi, Marie, Welcome to ASD. It can certainly be tough when our families don’t support our weight loss needs.  But the reality of the situation is that the most important person in the success of your weight loss journey is YOU. You will always be bombarded with foods that are not on your food plan. Magazines, TV, Radio, restaurants, shopping, holiday, parties, vending machines, office treats, etc. will always be in your life.  The sooner you accept that fact and begin to deal with it the better it will be for you. We have no right to demand that the rest of the world follow our food plan. But, there are some things you CAN do to make things easier.  You say that your husband brings in treats all the time.  Have you sat down to him and really communicated how you feel about your weight and how his always bringing home food makes it much tougher on you.  If you were like me, you haven’t admitted how awful being over weight and out of control with food to yourself before this, much less anyone else.  My DH brings me treats all the time because he loves me.  But, he now reads the labels!!  People who are not overweight have no clue just how horrible it can be.  They don’t realize how hard it is to lose weight and therefore, it is difficult for them to understand your needs since it is so easy for them.  But if you honestly talk about it with them, you help to increases their awareness of your struggles another desire to help you as much as they are able to.  My husband used to keep his junk food in the car.  (He has since started dieting himself) ASD, IMO, is some of the best diet support around.  Here you can let it all hang out because you are anonymous.  I wouldn’t know you if I ran over you in my car!  (And with my accident history, it could truly happen!)  So you can reveal personal things in a comfortable, nurturing setting,  Plus, we have all been there, right where you are, feeling the same, or extremely similar things.  We have struggled with the same temptations, given in to them and also overcome them.  One of the first things you will realize is that you are not alone. Keep reading and posting..  Even if you are a newbie to dieting your posts are a big help to those who have been at this longer than you.  Don’t ever feel you have nothing to share because you never know what you might say that could be a real turning point to someone else. So, again, welcome to ASD! — claudia 565/372/157 To e-mail me remove the potatoes For Claudia’s Cooking Newsletter celebrating low fat, sugar free cooking and living visit  http://cookingnewsletter.ecorp.net Tipletter Writer for Dieting CyberTip4theDay Subscribe today:  http://www.CyberTip4theDay.com Claudia’s Corner http://cookingnewsletter.ecorp.net/claudia’s-corner/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                     Thanks for listening….Marie

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Hi Marie Welcome to ASD. Have a look at http://asd.dozer.com you will find lots of information and start drinking lots of water per day 64 oz + 8 oz for every 25 pounds you want to lose.There is also a group Rush to 200 started by Frank. We weigh in around Friday. Feel free to join us. Joke from Holland 264/236/150 NoBody heeft geschreven in bericht … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                    Thanks for listening….Marie

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:Hi Marie :I read your letter with wet eyes. It described me with the exception that I :have 3 kids and weigh 235 pounds. So, let us help each other. :We’ll log in for support because I’m just as desperate as you are. :      Olive HI Olive, I started my weight loss journey weighing 234 pounds.  I am also the mother of three children.  I have lost 77 pounds and have around 23 to go.  I started last January 98.  Believe me weight loss can and does happen, be strong. K in Cali~Stacking Atkid~Queen of Tuna~another FFA of MFW 234/156.75/134 ~ 22/12/8 LC webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/LowcarbingDream "Never leave your body unattended." J Bowers-ASD 2 April 99

:Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying :to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed :130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra :weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t :fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke :up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my :husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not :gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my :family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you :guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue n lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to :give :will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support! : :                                    Thanks for listening….Marie : : : :

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Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                     Thanks for listening….Marie

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HI Marie . I wish one day you would change your handle .You are "somebody" , and not only your family cares about you but iIF you will let us….we will care. The very first thing that you need to get into your head is *giving up is NOT an option*. We will be here to hear your success(or lack of it) ,your small victories and your slips. One thing you will hear on a.s.d. is BTDT ,which means been there ….done that. We have (and are still are) gone through what you are going through.We will go every step of the way of this very difficult steep uphill climb journey with you. Sometimes it seems like not only you have to take it(weight loss journey) one day at a time but sometimes just have to put one foot in front of the other. One thing…….this journey is NOT easy but at the very least ,you will find that you are not alone . We are here for you IF you allow us to be. Please join us and remember , IF you don’t give up on yourself….we will be here right beside you through thick or thin (no pun intended). All the way baby! Like C said , have a heart to heart talk with your husband concerning giving you "love" gifts that are NOT food related. Listen Marie, has anyone said to you "you are hard headed" ? Well use this hard head (or detemanation) to your advantage. When you see snacks that are there for your children , remember to tell yourself "those are not mine and NOT for me " reach for your water bottle and say,"this is mine and for me ". I have found that IF I drink sodas….I crave salty snacks and sweets. IF I drink water *only* …I don’t seem to have these cravings. #1 Drink your required water. Don’t go *anywhere* without your water bottle. It will make it so much easier to turn down doughnuts and other things offered to you. Also , people get the *hint* not to force the issue if they see you with water in your hand. #2 Post often as you want to *your* support group. IF you keep it (weigh loss) on your mind …..you can keep it(weight gain) off your behind. Well I this turned this into a book but hey we are talking about a life and death situation here . You don’t go away and we will be here for you. Please allow us to care on a daily basis. Yours in diet support. Frank

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Hey Marie, I have "confessed" today and am here for you.  I suddenly woke up and realised the time had come the walrus said.  I know exactly where you are coming from.  I’ll look forward to reading your posts at the same time as mine. Cathie 304/304/180

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                    Thanks for listening….Marie

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Is there some other doctor that could help me out better than just an ol regular MD that I should be seeing.

If it is metabolic (and I suspect it might be) an endocrinologist  would be the specialty. Regina The more you complain, the longer God makes you live.

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120 pounds in 6 years?  Ankles swelling? Constant headaches?  Have you been to your doctor?  There may be a medical reason behind some of this.

I have to agree, with you.  I have noticed that since I have read your posts and started drinking more water, the headaches have gone away a bit, but the swelling and puffiness in my hands, feet and face are still there. I have been to 3 MD’s in the past 2 yrs and they all tell me the same thing….More veggies, more fruit, water…BLAH Blah blah.  I tend to loose 3-5 pounds and then I hit a wall. Is there some other doctor that could help me out better than just an ol regular MD that I should be seeing. I saw an old friend that I had not seen in about six months today and she could not stop talking about how puffy my face looked!  Im just tired of the same crap when I go to these doctors.  I feel that they think that because Im fat, I am also stupid?   Any advise?

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120 pounds in 6 years?  Ankles swelling? Constant headaches?  Have you been to your doctor?  There may be a medical reason behind some of this.

I was thinking the same thing. I’m not sure about the headaches, but the rapid weight gain and edema are definitely hypothyroid symptoms. Thyroid shut down after a pregnancy is pretty common. Regina The more you complain, the longer God makes you live.

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120 pounds in 6 years?  Ankles swelling? Constant headaches?  Have you been to your doctor?  There may be a medical reason behind some of this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                     Thanks for listening….Marie

– KC 196/176.5 (*sigh*)/135 Eating smarter and healthier since 8/8/98

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Hi All,            I just had to cry after reading all your letters of support!  I have been to other NG’s and have left because of the rudness and the non support.  I have to say that if I dident have the strengh to go all the way with this,  all your caring words have given me the strength that that I needed. I am truly blessed for having found this newsgroup!                                                      Marie

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The swelling and puffiness are of concern — I had that too (my ankles were the size of grapefruit), and a few people hounded me to go to the doctor about it.   Seems that swollen ankles can be a sign of either a thyroid condition or congestive heart failure (or just plain old water retention).  My doc, after 2 years of blowing off my concerns about my weight gain and just telling me to get more exercise, finally ran some tests and found my thyroid was on the blink. Have any of the doctors you’ve seen run any tests?  If not, you might want to request that they do so.  Or call an endocrinologist with your symptoms and see if you can get an appointment. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 120 pounds in 6 years?  Ankles swelling? Constant headaches?  Have you been to your doctor?  There may be a medical reason behind some of this. I have to agree, with you.  I have noticed that since I have read your posts and started drinking more water, the headaches have gone away a bit, but the swelling and puffiness in my hands, feet and face are still there. I have been to 3 MD’s in the past 2 yrs and they all tell me the same thing….More veggies, more fruit, water…BLAH Blah blah.  I tend to loose 3-5 pounds and then I hit a wall. Is there some other doctor that could help me out better than just an ol regular MD that I should be seeing. I saw an old friend that I had not seen in about six months today and she could not stop talking about how puffy my face looked!  Im just tired of the same crap when I go to these doctors.  I feel that they think that because Im fat, I am also stupid?   Any advise?

– KC 196/176.5 (*sigh*)/135 Eating smarter and healthier since 8/8/98

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Are you on medications that could be causing your swelling or weight gain? 184-146(145-150) Lost Another One! 5′6"  Portion Control and Behaving Myself since August 1998. Linda             "Most People are Heavy from What they Eat Before,                After and In Between Meals Than From the                        Actual Meals Themselves."           —- Thin Tastes Better by Dr. Stephen P. Gullo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 120 pounds in 6 years?  Ankles swelling? Constant headaches?  Have you been to your doctor?  There may be a medical reason behind some of this. I have to agree, with you.  I have noticed that since I have read your posts and started drinking more water, the headaches have gone away a bit, but the swelling and puffiness in my hands, feet and face are still there. I have been to 3 MD’s in the past 2 yrs and they all tell me the same thing….More veggies, more fruit, water…BLAH Blah blah.  I tend to loose 3-5 pounds and then I hit a wall. Is there some other doctor that could help me out better than just an ol regular MD that I should be seeing. I saw an old friend that I had not seen in about six months today and she could not stop talking about how puffy my face looked!  Im just tired of the same crap when I go to these doctors.  I feel that they think that because Im fat, I am also stupid?   Any advise?

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Regina! I knew I stumbled onto something when I read your signature!  I just knew that some folks would never die because they are just down right to mean! 184-146(145-150) Lost Another One! 5′6"  Portion Control and Behaving Myself since August 1998. Linda             "Most People are Heavy from What they Eat Before,                After and In Between Meals Than From the                        Actual Meals Themselves."           —- Thin Tastes Better by Dr. Stephen P. Gullo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there some other doctor that could help me out better than just an ol regular MD that I should be seeing. If it is metabolic (and I suspect it might be) an endocrinologist  would be the specialty. Regina The more you complain, the longer God makes you live.

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Welcome to asd, Marie.  You’ve got to decide that you are going to do this for YOU, even if this means putting  your needs in front of your family’s sometimes.  Keep sharing and reading here, it helps a lot. J 233/202/136 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all.. I guess I should start by saying that 3 days ago I started trying to loose weight.  6 yrs ago when I got together with my husband I weighed 130.  Today and 2 kids later I now weigh 250!  Im only 5′4 and this extra weight is killing me!  I have constant headaches, ankle swelling, I can’t fit into my clothes any more and I just had a birthday 3 days ago and woke up and realized I have to do something! Anything!  My problem is that my husband and my kids are all rails…You know..they can eat anything and not gain an once!  He is forever bringing home sweets and the support from my family is zero!  So I started looking through the news groups and found you guys…I SO desperately want this to work this time!  I just can’t continue on lugging around all this extra weight.  Any advise that ANYONE has to give will be welcomed, and I will continue to log in for support!                                    Thanks for listening….Marie

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Sheila, Try googling hypothyroid symptoms.  I recall seeing symptoms like, no hair on forearms and thinning eyebrows.

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Sheila,     I went undiagnosed for hypothyroid for many years with my TSH tests always coming back high but still "normal". When I finally got a doctor to run the complete thyroid panel it came back severely defient in T3 and T4…. in essence, my thyroid was barely working. I’ve lost 100 pounds but it took a good while and I just stalled there…. and with at least 50 more to go it didn’t matter WHAT I did. When my hair was falling out by the handful and I was freezing in July I knew something was really wrong and insisted on the whole panel of tests. My doc immediately put me on Armour Thyroid meds along with Unithyroid. I feel so much better, it’s like a new life almost. You might check out Mary Shomans website www.aboutthyroid.com for lots of good info, including a list of recommended docs for your area. Take care of yourself! Julee

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I’ve noticed that my hair has gotten thinner in the last several months.  My nails break immediately.  My hands and feet are like icebergs (my poor hubby!) The hair on my arms (always blond and not overly heavy to begin with) has become almost non-existant. I’ve also only lost 5 lbs on nearly three weeks of low carbing (although, I’m also getting ready to start my period, so water weight may be the issue). I had a friend with thyroid problems, and I remembered that hair loss was one of her symptoms.  I looked up thyroid on the Web, and lo and behold, it is one of the reasons people have trouble losing weight.  Then I went to the Atkin’s book, and yes, there is a section on it.  I have done the basal temperature thing for the last two days, and my average temp (over 7 readings) is 96.88, with a range of 96.5 to 97.3, so it looks like I may have a problem. Does anyone have any experience with this?  Can you tell me what to expect? Sheila

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Sheila, just get yourself a referral to an endocrinologist. They will run some blood tests and likely will be able to diagnose and treat your thyroid problems. Oftentimes it is a relatively easy fix. What’s your resting heartbeat? i

I don’t know, Ig, I don’t check it.  No time for a resting pulse tonight, but I’ll try tomorrow morning. I called my GP today, and he’s written an order for a blood test.  Now I’m reading that different blood tests are needed.  I’m seeing I need to make sure he orders a T4 and T5 (? I think that is right).  Any suggestions (anyone) on what I need to make sure he does? Sheila

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Sheila, It’s worth checking out your thyroid with your doctor, but be aware that the whole idea that lower body temperatures mean thyroid problems is bogus. Normal body temperatures range from the high 96 to 97s, especially in the morning. It is quite possible to lose weight slowly and have normal thyroid but other things wrong with you. Unfortunately, doctors aren’t too good at identifying the other things. — Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve noticed that my hair has gotten thinner in the last several months. My nails break immediately.  My hands and feet are like icebergs (my poor hubby!) The hair on my arms (always blond and not overly heavy to begin with) has become almost non-existant. I’ve also only lost 5 lbs on nearly three weeks of low carbing (although, I’m also getting ready to start my period, so water weight may be the issue). I had a friend with thyroid problems, and I remembered that hair loss was one of her symptoms.  I looked up thyroid on the Web, and lo and behold, it is one of the reasons people have trouble losing weight.  Then I went to the Atkin’s book, and yes, there is a section on it.  I have done the basal temperature thing for the last two days, and my average temp (over 7 readings) is 96.88, with a range of 96.5 to 97.3, so it looks like I may have a problem. Does anyone have any experience with this?  Can you tell me what to expect? Sheila

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Sheila, By all means do get your doctor to check your thyroid out, but don’t be surprised if the tests don’t show anything. Another explanation for the temperature fluctuations and weight stall can be hormonal changes leading towards (or after) menopause.  I got "cold flashes" for a couple years before I got hot flashes, and even now I get them from time to time. I also have had my hair fall out dramatically a couple times in the last few years.  Again, for me this seems to be related to either illnesses, dieting, or hormones. I’ve had my thyroid checked quite thoroughly a few times, but my thyroid values are always normal trending towards high, not low. — Jenny  - Low Carbing for 4 years. At goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes, hba1c 5.2. Cut the carbs to respond to my  email address! Low carb facts and figures, my weight-loss photos, tips, recipes, strategies for dealing with diabetes and more at http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/ Looking for help controlling your blood sugar? Visit  http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sheila, It’s worth checking out your thyroid with your doctor, but be aware that the whole idea that lower body temperatures mean thyroid problems is bogus. Normal body temperatures range from the high 96 to 97s, especially in the morning. It is quite possible to lose weight slowly and have normal thyroid but other things wrong with you. Unfortunately, doctors aren’t too good at identifying the other things. Jenny, the slow weight loss wasn’t the thing that made me start thinking — frankly, the hair loss has scared the dickens out of me!  I’ve noticed that my hair seemed thinner up front for the last several months, and then I went to put it into a ponytail, and found that, whereas I used to pull it through three times, now it is four!  At that point, I checked my arms, and, yes…. there is scarce hair there. From what I am reading, lower body temps may not mean thyroid problems, but since one of the functions of the thyroid is the regulation of body temperature, usually when it goes awry, there is a significant difference in body temps in people with the problem. I was thinking about some of the things that go on with me a bit earlier: for instance, I’m a very busy person (full time job, two kids, a husband, an ex-husband, three dogs, two cats and a fish!), and I rarely get enough sleep. About once or twice a week I’ll get VERY VERY tired, and, with the exhaustion comes this bone-chilling cold, and shakiness.  I mean, my teeth are chattering as I lay all wrapped up in a down comforter!  If I go to sleep for a couple of hours, I wake up tired, but no longer cold, and I am functional.  I’ve always assumed that the exhaustion caused the chills, but now I do have to wonder if something else is causing both the chills and the overwhelming exhaustion. Sheila

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Sheila, It’s worth checking out your thyroid with your doctor, but be aware that the whole idea that lower body temperatures mean thyroid problems is bogus. Normal body temperatures range from the high 96 to 97s, especially in the morning. It is quite possible to lose weight slowly and have normal thyroid but other things wrong with you. Unfortunately, doctors aren’t too good at identifying the other things.

Jenny, the slow weight loss wasn’t the thing that made me start thinking — frankly, the hair loss has scared the dickens out of me!  I’ve noticed that my hair seemed thinner up front for the last several months, and then I went to put it into a ponytail, and found that, whereas I used to pull it through three times, now it is four!  At that point, I checked my arms, and, yes…. there is scarce hair there.   From what I am reading, lower body temps may not mean thyroid problems, but since one of the functions of the thyroid is the regulation of body temperature, usually when it goes awry, there is a significant difference in body temps in people with the problem.   I was thinking about some of the things that go on with me a bit earlier:  for instance, I’m a very busy person (full time job, two kids, a husband, an ex-husband, three dogs, two cats and a fish!), and I rarely get enough sleep. About once or twice a week I’ll get VERY VERY tired, and, with the exhaustion comes this bone-chilling cold, and shakiness.  I mean, my teeth are chattering as I lay all wrapped up in a down comforter!  If I go to sleep for a couple of hours, I wake up tired, but no longer cold, and I am functional.  I’ve always assumed that the exhaustion caused the chills, but now I do have to wonder if something else is causing both the chills and the overwhelming exhaustion. Sheila

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On The Lowcarb Retreat in the "ONE CLICK ARCHIVES" regulars find links to the following sites about the thyroid. Other disorders associated with lowcarb are also listed. http://www.the-thyroid-society.org/faq/ http://thyroid.miningco.com/ http://www.brodabarnes.org From the thyroid society faq: "However, only your doctor can tell for sure whether or not you have the disease. Your doctor may examine:     your history and physical appearance     the amount of thyroid hormones,     thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH), and     thyroid stimulating antibodies in your blood     the structure and function of your thyroid gland,     using thyroid imaging, which     takes a picture of the gland after     you have been given a small amount of     radioactive iodine." Lee Rodgers === === === === LOSE weight for LOOSE jeans.  LOSERS have LOOSER jeans. <A HREF="http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc"asdlc FAQ</A <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~Dietman2/index.html"The Lowcarb Retreat</A <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/LowcarbingDream/MiniFAQ.html"K in Cali FAQ</A

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Here is a site with info about Thyroid tests: http://www.healthanswers.com/health_answers/search_get_answer/forums/… News group: Alt.support.thyroid With some very helpfull people, ooa

<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -However I had persuaded the doctor to do a thyroid check too as long as we were at it and apparently a slight abnormality showed up there. This is all gibberish to me but the doctor said my TSH was normal but my T4 reading was somewhat under and now she wants me to go for a thyroid scan to get more definitive readings. Anyone have a clue what this all means? I will do some web searches but if anyone has a favorite website to point me to I’d appreciate it. — Debbie Cusick I plan to be a procrastinator some day if I ever get around to it. Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc

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Thanks for the detailed information. I had to go drop off more blood today for a recheck of the TSH value. The scan is next week, next Tuesday and Wednesday. There is some dye involved. I have to go in at noon Tuesday to take a tablet containing the dye, then come back at 6:00 PM for a scan, then come back Wednesday noon for a 24-hour followup scan. The first scan Tuesday evening takes half an hour, the Wednesday scan takes an hour. That’s all I know so far. This place also does MRI’s etc. It is called a Nuclear Medicine facility. I guess they are going to make me radioacitve with this dye! Anyway I am a bit apprehensive because I am a major claustrophobic and the MRI I had to have done once nearly sent me over the edge. I hope this scan is not as bad. My folks both have thyroid problems and my dad has been on Synthroid for years now. Maybe it’s a genetic thing. — Debbie Cusick I plan to be a procrastinator some day if I ever get around to it. Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve been hypothyroid for years, and once you get into the habit of taking that little pill every morning, it really doesn’t affect your life all that much.  I didn’t get the thyroid scan, but I can guess that it’s either a test of how well the thyroid takes up iodine (a component of the hormone), or a test of whether there are any tumors or other abnormalities in the thyroid. Let me know which one it is!  ;-) Good luck with the scan!

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Debbie, That is probably very good news and most likely the explanaion for your prolonged stall.   As I understand it, if they diagnose you as having a deficient thyroid and boost your thyroid hormone, your metabolism should speed up. — Jenny *Sorry about the lack of email address but I’m up to here with spam :<

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However I had persuaded the doctor to do a thyroid check too as long as we were at it and apparently a slight abnormality showed up there. This is all gibberish to me but the doctor said my TSH was normal but my T4 reading was somewhat under and now she wants me to go for a thyroid scan to get more definitive readings.

Debbie, well I have to admit I’m not surprised.  I’m sorry to hear you have an abnormal test result but I am glad to hear they found something because there was clearly something off with your metabolism.  Please let us know what happens. I have a question for the resident thyroid experts.  I’ve been told many times that getting one’s thyroid tested can result in a false negative.  I am unclear if this is because they are testing for the wrong thing or because many cases of hypothyroid do not show up with testing.  Could someone please shed some light on this?  I would like to get tested *once*. What should I make sure they look for? Thanks, Cyndi 160/150/135 — men’s jean size  38/34/32 or? Low-carb vegetarian + seafood since 7/28/98 http://www.immuneweb.org/lowcarb/ "There’s nothing wrong with me.  Maybe there’s                     Cyndi Norman                                                  http://www.consultclarity.com/

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I have been dealing with hypothroidism for about 3 1/2 years 7 have been on pretty high dose of synthroid for the last year (.175 mg).  when I was diagnosed – my major complaint was my fatigue.  At that time I was convinced it was because I was keeping my fat grams around 20-30g per day because I was told by a doctor that that was a healthy plan and to just up my carbohydrates and get more exercise.  Since I was pretty active anyway despite the thyroid issue – I continued with this high carb – low fat exercise plan for a few years.  Basically I was ok until I could get to my next high carb meal – I was so dependant on the carbohydrates to give me energy. Since I just moved to the west coast from the east coast & had to take a few months off of exercise to get established – I gained weight!  I was not overweight to begin with, but 15 lbs in 2 1/2 months was ridiculous – and not to mention the fatigue that ensued!  I was a poster child for all hypothyroid symptoms at this point when I remembered that a old coworker of mine suggested the PP book because she was looking for an energy boost & it worked for her.  So after having read it – I too realized that it made perfect sense (PP should of been a Clif notes for my graduate biochem class!).  I am going on my 3rd week and have lost 8 lbs & my energy level is great with no hunger in between meals!  I even eat way more food than I ever have!  Now I have the day long energy that is not driven by my next power bar so I can work out comfortably. This WOE has been the answer I have been looking for – a much healthier approach to life.  My nails are now growing out, my hair is shinier, my skin is not as dry (basically all the thyroidish symptoms have eased!), no more sinus issues, constipation & bloating (I hated that!).  Each doctor I went to see gave me something different to "bandaid" my aches and pains. Something for allergies, something for reflux, "oh – a lot of people are bloated – get some Gas-X", "everyone misses a period now and then", Sure I have to take my medicine and eat right, but sometimes I can’t help but think if I had found this WOE earlier – I might not have done so much damage to my thyroid all those years of listening to the medical community preach "high carb – low fat".  Sure it is good if you exercise and every body is different and each person will react differently to different diets. Maybe doctors should take an alternative approach & look at people’s diet every now and then.  I have scanned all the latest WOE books (eat for your type, sugar busters, PP, CAD) and they all say the same thing – get some protein in your diet people! PP for life! -sheri:)

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Well, many of you know I had blood tests done last week because of the bad taste in my mouth. Well, that taste went away after  I gave up the GNC calcium/magnesium tablets – and the test results all came back normal. However I had persuaded the doctor to do a thyroid check too as long as we were at it and apparently a slight abnormality showed up there. This is all gibberish to me but the doctor said my TSH was normal but my T4 reading was somewhat under and now she wants me to go for a thyroid scan to get more definitive readings. Anyone have a clue what this all means? I will do some web searches but if anyone has a favorite website to point me to I’d appreciate it. — Debbie Cusick I plan to be a procrastinator some day if I ever get around to it. Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc

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Welcome to my world.  My thyroid problem probably has always been here.  You might try the book "The Thyroid Source Book (Guide)"  I can’t remember which.  Checked it out of the library.  Very informative.  My hypothyroidism started 2 months after I stopped smoking.  It won’t stabalize.  One month it’s normal on meds,  the next it’s too low.  Also there is alt. support. thyroid. Robin

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I haven’t read through this completely, but it looks good regarding thyroid and dieting: http://www.mesomorphosis.com/exclusive/gundill/thyroid.htm A couple of others that look pretty good and I’m saving to read: http://thyroid.miningco.com/ http://www.aace.com/clin/guides/thyroid_guide.html — Rudy Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at:  http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm Remove the Z from my address to respond.

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x-no-archive: yes This is all gibberish to me but the doctor said my TSH was normal but my T4 reading was somewhat under and now she wants me to go for a thyroid scan to get more definitive readings. Anyone have a clue what this all means?

Ooh, goodie, endocrine systems!  One biology lesson, coming up! The thyroid is a gland in your neck.  The hormone it produces controls the metabolism, the rate at which your body burns energy.  T4 is one form of this hormone, T3 is another.  The thyroid produces both of them, and then the T4 is transformed into T3, because T3 doesn’t last very long once it’s released. Synthroid is basically T4, giving you a longer lasting boost in the active T3. How does the thyroid know how much hormone to produce?  A hormone is produced in the pituitary, known as Thyroid Stimulating Hormone, or TSH.  The pituitary looks at how much T3 and T4 are in your bloodstream.  If the levels are too low, it releases TSH, and the thyroid makes more hormone.  If the levels are too high, the pituitary makes less TSH, and the thyroid thus makes less thyroid hormone. When you’re diagnosed hypothyroid, they test both T4 and TSH.  If both of them are low, that probably means that the pituitary isn’t making enough TSH or isn’t detecting the hormone levels in the blood the way it should.  The thyroid itself may be just fine, it simply isn’t being told to make the hormone.  The pituitary is a very important gland, so if one thing is wrong with it, they need to find out whether anything else is, pronto! If, on the other hand, the problem is in the thyroid itself, then the levels of TSH will be much higher than normal, because the pituitary is desperately trying to get the thyroid to make more T3 and T4.  That’s what you and I have. When you start taking a thyroid supplement, your doctor will probably only test the TSH level to see whether you need more or less supplement.  If they’re giving you the right amount, then the pituitary will be happy and will release a normal amount of TSH.  If they give you too much, TSH will be lower than normal, and if they give you too little, TSH will be higher than normal.  The pituitary knows your body much better than the doctors do, so they take advantage of it and let it tell them how much you need.  Of course, this only works if the pituitary does, so that’s why they test for TSH in the first round. I’ve been hypothyroid for years, and once you get into the habit of taking that little pill every morning, it really doesn’t affect your life all that much.  I didn’t get the thyroid scan, but I can guess that it’s either a test of how well the thyroid takes up iodine (a component of the hormone), or a test of whether there are any tumors or other abnormalities in the thyroid.  Let me know which one it is!  ;-) Good luck with the scan!

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