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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting excersise, and having a happier out look on life. As I have been over weight for almost 11 years, I have tried every diet known to man, (or woman in this case) Nothing has worked. Well it would work, but it would come back once my old eating habbits resumed. I am distured by the amount of weight loss advice that comes from this group on loosing 14 lbs in two weeks, the cabbage soup diet, ect. It concerns me that thee are not that many people concerned about good nutrition, getting the right amound of vitamins and nutrients from food(not just suppliments), and just plain overall healthly living. Now before any of you get the idea that I am some skinny person trying to sell you on what I think is good for fat people, I am a female, about 27, and I currently weigh 220(down from 269). After having worked with a nutritionist, and my physician, I can eat well balenced food, and not be hungry. ( As I have only one kidney, I cannot add drugs to my system) I know there are militant people who say that the food guide produced by the govenement/medical community is a conspircy/plot, whatever, but I have this strong feeling that my doctor wants to keep me alive, not follow some sinister path. Anyway, I am following a low fat, "live it" I have not been hungry, I have not binged, and I have not gone back to drinking soda with sugar. People who know me can see the difference in my attitude, and in my apperance. I also excersise about 4-5 times a week. Not to boost my metabolism, but because it makes me feel good. I don’t excercise all that hard, about 1.5 miles on the treadmill at 2.5mph, 15 min on stair master, and 12 min on rowing machine. I also play alot of hockey, and I inline skate whenever I can. (Skating is so much fun for me, its like excersice with out the work) And about 2-3 low impact resistance training with weights. If anyone is interested, I will send them more information about the program I am on. I am not trying to sell anything. Just offering a healthy, SLOW weight loss program. Sorry, I just need to vent alittle frustration. -Wendy
Such common sense, Wendy. I wholeheartedly agree, and have expressed a similar opinion once or twice. If you want to control your weight for a life time, your plan has to be one that you can live with forever. Thanks for echoing. malong
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: What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting : excersise, and having a happier out look on life. : : That requires too much effort for some people. 
: And has a 95% failure rate. I hate your attitude. Every fat person in the Western World has done the "diet/exercise" thing (now relabled "lifestyle changes") to death. As you will find out, it fails almost all of the time. : : I don’t see you trying to "sell" us on anything. You’ve lost more weight : than I have and this is only my first attempt at reversing the direction : of the needle on the scale. But at the same time, I’m also getting my : bodyfat measured too because my goal is size 8 OR 20lbs. One or the : other. We’ll see if your "healthier than thou" attitude changes after your 3rd, 4th and 5th attempts. I love the way you act like you know so much when you haven’t even finished your *1st* attempt. : Sorry, I just need to vent alittle frustration. : I did, too. : I understand. I have been reading this group on and off for the : past four years. The level to which fad diets and drugs have been : espoused around here really seems to have risen in the past year. Could it be that the "tried and true" way has failed most people? J
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I know it is a "no-no" to post private email on the Net. But I also fell it is a "no-no" to flame a person via email and then hide like a coward behind a kill file: My "healthier than thou" attitude isn’t here for you to love. Just because I don’t have to take drugs to successfully lose weight doesn’t mean you have to be jealous.
No more jealous than I am of people who don’t have to take synthroid to have normal thyroid levels. Jealous of the people who can eat all day while watching TV and stay rail thin, yes. I’m sorry you’re so jealous. It’s obvious that it’s more than fat that made you so unhappy. You’ve reached your goal weight and you’re still hating yourself aren’t you?
I love myslef, hun, and I am not unhappy. I loved myself when I was fat, and was happy when I was fat. I get angry at preachers like you, not unhappy. Don’t bother replying. I won’t see it before my mailer trashes it.
Whatever. J
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: And has a 95% failure rate. Then why is it suceeding now, when everything from low carbohydrates, to self starvation, to drugs, to medifast has failed. Why has my blood pressure leved out to 112/72 for 4 months when it hadn’t in over 12 years. Why when my cholestoral, and electrolites, and most important for me kreatin levels have dropped to normal. Why don’tI feel hungry, why are people treating me differently, why do I feel good, and why havent I binged. For the first time in my life, something is working, and now YOU mr healthier than thou are telling me that I am going to fail. Is it because I don’t believe in fad diets or that I am desined to be fat for the rest of my life? Or is it because, that for once when someone disputes you 95% failure rate, you get a little annoyed. I may not be at my final goal weight. But everytime that I consume 1500 calories a day, excersice moderately, i come closer to reaching my mini goal weights. (there in 10lb increments) And I have not remissed into gaining any of the 45 lbs that I have lost. : I hate your attitude. Every fat person in the Western World has done the : "diet/exercise" thing (now relabled "lifestyle changes") to death. It is a lifestyle change or live it/excercise thing because, I am not going on a maintence program afterwards. How I eat now is how I will eat then. So I won’t be making a change from diet to maintence. A lifestyle change means for life, not once you are done lossing weight. : As you will find out, it fails almost all of the time. If this is failure, may I fail all the way to my goal weight. : We’ll see if your "healthier than thou" attitude changes after your 3rd, : 4th and 5th attempts. I love the way you act like you know so much when : you haven’t even finished your *1st* attempt. She is not the only one spewing "healthier than thou", and "only I am right". : Could it be that the "tried and true" way has failed most people? You mean the way that most people give up on 2 weeks into the program because they aren’t getting instantious results? Don’t get me wrong, I am the type of person who wants everything, and I wanted it last week. But those people committed to a plan of action, and STICK WITH IT, will suceed, no matter what plan it is. I had a friend (who is also trying to loose weight) explain her plan to me. It was extremely complicated, and I would never be able to follow it. Also if you don’t aggree with the priciples behind a diet., you won’t stick to it. Once she told me that she could eat pizza, but only if she had pinapples for breakfast, because acid breaks up fat, I knew that it was a crock. Thus not believing in what the person was saying, contributed to me not beliveing in the weight loss plan. Is it not possible that the tradition lifestyle plan does not suit you, and it has failed when you have tried tried it? If you don’t believe in the plan, don’t knock it for others who are suceeding with it. This newsgroup has enough people that believe they are the only ones that are right. This is suppose to be a forum for everybody, to express different views, and for people to make up their own minds. This is not suppose to turn into a bitching game, as to who can yell the loudest, and soapbox preach the longest. — —– Wendy Marques, Graphic Artist/Web Author —– "Its gotta be the veggies…."
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: What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting : excersise, and having a happier out look on life. : : That requires too much effort for some people. : And has a 95% failure rate. I hate your attitude. Every fat person in the Western World has done the "diet/exercise" thing (now relabled "lifestyle changes") to death. As you will find out, it fails almost all of the time.
Wow, Jet…how supportive of you. Go ahead and tell people how they are doomed to fail. I thought this was a support group. Why are you only supportive of people who do it "your way", and judgemental of others who chose a different (and in this case, more traditional) road? : I don’t see you trying to "sell" us on anything. You’ve lost more weight : than I have and this is only my first attempt at reversing the direction : of the needle on the scale. But at the same time, I’m also getting my : bodyfat measured too because my goal is size 8 OR 20lbs. One or the : other. We’ll see if your "healthier than thou" attitude changes after your 3rd, 4th and 5th attempts. I love the way you act like you know so much when you haven’t even finished your *1st* attempt.
We’ll see how YOU holier than thou attitude changes in about a year. There are some of us who have been down the meds route before…..it’s not a long-term solution, trust me. I’m glad for you that you were able to lose so much weight. I did on meds too, and then my teeth feel out and my metabolism slowed to a grinding halt, not to mention other damage I did to my system. So here I am, back at square one, trying to keep my nagging 20lbs at bay. : I understand. I have been reading this group on and off for the : past four years. The level to which fad diets and drugs have been : espoused around here really seems to have risen in the past year. Could it be that the "tried and true" way has failed most people?
So has the diet-of-the-moment and wonder drug way. If you want to preach to gospel about meds, fine. Go over to alt.support.diet.rx and do it. You are not welcome here unless you can be supportive of ALL methods people use to lose weight. You consider everyone who doesn’t use drugs a loser in the most negative sense. Open your eyes to those who are trying to make positive changes in their lives in whatever way they can; those who are trying to find what works best for them in the longterm. THOSE WHO ARE TRYING. …lo — Miss Lo aaj01.dial.pipex.com
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What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting excersise, and having a happier out look on life.
What works for one person may not work for others. Your mileage may vary. There are legitimate reasons many people do not lose weight on a low-fat/high carb eating plan. Take some time to learn about differences, leave some room in your logic tight, moralist compartments and mayber your brain will begin absorbing an understanding of the complexity of weight loss. If it was so damn easy you would be thin as a rail and not still struggling to find peace yourself. When you attain perfection, come back and present the secret of Wendy’s bliss. Until then, open your mind and watch that your holier than thou mantle doesn’t crush you. Lee LOST….over 20.5 % of my body weight. Since June 1994! Don’t tell me where it is, I don’t want to know.
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To CAT and Wendy and all other moralist arbiters of "The Right Way", get over it or move on. Alt.support.diet is now a place where support is unconditional for everyone, except advertisers and MLMers. Drug adjunct therapy will be supported here. Low carbohydrate eating will be supported here. Low fat eating will also be supported here. Any person using whatever method which is bringing them to greater health will be supported here. If your mindset is so rigid that you have no room for alternate thought processes, then you will be woefully unhappy here and stressed beyond belief. If your ignorance is your bond, and you do not wish to be exposed to scientific discovery and exploration pertaining to weight loss and maximization of the health process, move on. Endocrinology will be discussed. Weird and unusual eating methods will be hashed about. And angry, vitriolic disputation will definitely occur from time to time as tempers flare. Accept that as a fact of life, or move on. As long as there is breath in my body and my fingers can work the keyboard there will be a presentation of the low-carbohydrate eating style in a.s.d. As long as there are Luddite idiots like you roaming the air, I will be there to correct your stupidity as it pertains to an understanding of alternat metabolic pathways for the body to utilize various food products. We are here to stay. Learn it. Love it. Live it. Or say goodbye, dear. Lee (glad your’re disturbed) Rodgers = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I am distured by the amount of weight loss advice that comes from this group on loosing 14 lbs in two weeks, the cabbage soup diet, ect. It concerns me that thee are not that many people concerned about good nutrition, getting the right amound of vitamins and nutrients from food(not just suppliments), and just plain overall healthly living.
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= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = LOST….over 20.5 % of my body weight. Since June 1994! Don’t tell me where it is, I don’t want to know.
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Wow, Jet…how supportive of you. Go ahead and tell people how they are doomed to fail. I thought this was a support group. Why are you only supportive of people who do it "your way", and judgemental of others who chose a different (and in this case, more traditional) road?
Lee)…Uh, doesn’t the more traditional road have a 95 per cent failure rate? Maybe it is time to try something different. …snip…edited for understanding… We’ll see how YOUR holier than thou attitude changes in about a year. There are some of us who have been down the meds route before…..it’s not a long-term solution, trust me.
Lee)…The only reason drugs have not been a long term solution in the past has been because of the morality curse against fat people and a reluctance on the part of physicians to incur negative peer review. Just think if hypertensives were considered weak for not using ‘willpower’ and ’self control’ to lower their blood pressure. What if you were only allowed to take high blood pressure meds for 12 weeks max a year? I’m glad for you that you were able to lose so much weight. I did on meds too, and then my teeth fell out
Lee)…..Didn’t you or the doctor ever hear of calcium and magnesium? Or yogurt? Or cheese, or cottage cheese? and my metabolism slowed to a grinding halt, not to mention other damage I did to my system.
Lee)…..It does help if one eats food once in awhile. Enough calories so as not to starve while still losing a bit of weight. And taking nutrient supplements to make up deficiencies is an approved behavior. Take a look in the store room of any hospital. Even they realize some people do not always get everything they need from their food intake. I guess here is where blissful ignorance is its own reward. …..so what…snipped : I understand. I have been reading this group on and off for the : past four years. The level to which fad diets and drugs have been : espoused around here really seems to have risen in the past year.
Lee)….Maybe if you visited a library once in awhile you would discover these wondrous things called BOOKS. In them are these fantastic things called new ideas, new discoveries, new knowledge. The nutrition book I used 20 years ago stated emphatically that taking extra calcium would do absolutely nothing to prevent osteoporosis. Now calcium is all the rage. Of course, most forget to mention that calcium MUST be taken in a 2:1 ratio with magnesium to harden the bones, so when we end up with old ladies with a lot of soft bones, Luddites will trot out and say see extra calcium was useless. :-) It was just a fad. more snippage…. You are not welcome here unless you can be supportive of ALL
Lee)….Excellent point. Re-read what YOU just wrote. Then when YOU start being supportive of low-carbers, fen/phenners and even ‘kickstart’ cabbage soupers, and god forbid, herbalists, you will have attained the moral high ground. Until then you’re just a whiner insisting that all of us do it your way, which of course is the ’sensible way’. methods people use to lose weight. You consider everyone who doesn’t use drugs a loser in the most negative sense. Open your eyes to those who are trying to make positive changes in their lives in whatever way they can; those who are trying to find what works best for them in the longterm. THOSE WHO ARE TRYING.
Lee)…..Phentermine/fenfluramine is not a ‘magic bullet’ which completely eliminates "TRYING". On fen/phen alone I get extremely hungry if I do not follow a low-carb eating plan. I am a type-II diabetic controlling my defective insulin reception via the Atkins diet and fen/phen. It works for me, may not work for you, and thats life. It has taken almost two years to lose 123 pounds. If that is FAST weight loss, I sure in hell do not want any SLOW weight loss. If an average of 1.1827 pounds per week is FAST, then spare me from slow. If treadmilling and body building is not trying exercise, then I missed something somewhere. If the low-carb ‘faddists’ riding more than 100 miles daily on their bicycles are weakening themselves. give me more faddists. If the low-carb, extremely low body-fat percentage guy with the washboard abdominals, who intrigued me enough to start lifting harder is an example of faddism, then long live faddism. Lee)…..WE ARE HERE TO STAY..Love us or leave us. We are not going anywhere. Lee Rodgers LOST….over 20.5 % of my body weight. Since June 1994! Don’t tell me where it is, I don’t want to know.
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Wow, Jet…how supportive of you. Go ahead and tell people how they are doomed to fail. I thought this was a support group. Why are you only supportive of people who do it "your way", and judgemental of others who chose a different (and in this case, more traditional) road? Lee)…Uh, doesn’t the more traditional road have a 95 per cent failure rate? Maybe it is time to try something different.
HOw about posting the failure rate of those losing weeight with chemical help? Nobody seems to have posted THAT yet…… …snip…edited for understanding… We’ll see how YOUR holier than thou attitude changes in about a year. There are some of us who have been down the meds route before…..it’s not a long-term solution, trust me. Lee)…The only reason drugs have not been a long term solution in the past has been because of the morality curse against fat people and a reluctance on the part of physicians to incur negative peer review. Just think if hypertensives were considered weak for not using ‘willpower’ and ’self control’ to lower their blood pressure. What if you were only allowed to take high blood pressure meds for 12 weeks max a year?
for your info, my personal experience had nothing to do with morality, misunderstanding, or physician relucatnce. I did the drug thing for 6 years….continuously. The first 3 1/2 to 4 were great – I was a toothpick, never worried about ANYTHING. Then the paranoia started, mouth sores, memory loss. Bear in mind that this was a _doctor_prescribed_ plan. I visited the doc weekly. I didn’t make this up on my own, nor did I exceed the prescribed dosage. I’m glad for you that you were able to lose so much weight. I did on meds too, and then my teeth fell out Lee)…..Didn’t you or the doctor ever hear of calcium and magnesium? Or yogurt? Or cheese, or cottage cheese?
Had nothing to do with calcium. It was a well-documented side effect. and my metabolism slowed to a grinding halt, not to mention other damage I did to my system. Lee)…..It does help if one eats food once in awhile. Enough calories so as not to starve while still losing a bit of weight. And taking nutrient supplements to make up deficiencies is an approved behavior. Take a look in the store room of any hospital. Even they realize some people do not always get everything they need from their food intake. I guess here is where blissful ignorance is its own reward.
I WAS eating. After I stopped with meds, my appetite kicked up with a vengance. it was almost impossible to control, as I basically had been eating whatever I wanted for years, and never learned how to diet or control my food without "help". I WAS taking vitamins. <snipped ignorance about nutrician…. You are not welcome here unless you can be supportive of ALL Lee)….Excellent point. Re-read what YOU just wrote. Then when YOU start being supportive of low-carbers, fen/phenners and even ‘kickstart’ cabbage soupers, and god forbid, herbalists, you will have attained the moral high ground. Until then you’re just a whiner insisting that all of us do it your way, which of course is the ’sensible way’.
I don’t insist everyone does it my way. If cabbage soup works for some people, I want to hear about it. I also want to know what DOESN’t work to I can avoid it. These are all steps in attaining a longterm solution. What I can’t be supportive of are people who whine "I don’t want to diet, I just want to lose weight and I want to lose it by tomorrow" and those who send "ha ha i lost weight on phen/fen and eat everything I want and you can’t ha ha ha" posts. I also admit I find it terribly difficult to be supportive of drug use. methods people use to lose weight. You consider everyone who doesn’t use drugs a loser in the most negative sense. Open your eyes to those who are trying to make positive changes in their lives in whatever way they can; those who are trying to find what works best for them in the longterm. THOSE WHO ARE TRYING. Lee)…..Phentermine/fenfluramine is not a ‘magic bullet’ which completely eliminates "TRYING". On fen/phen alone I get extremely hungry if I do not follow a low-carb eating plan. I am a type-II diabetic controlling my defective insulin reception via the Atkins diet and fen/phen. It works for me, may not work for you, and thats life. It has taken almost two years to lose 123 pounds. If that is FAST weight loss, I sure in hell do not want any SLOW weight loss.
Congratulations on your success. I mean that sincerely. You are one of the few around here who seems to be doing it sensibly, which I applaud. I have problems with people who tell others they should go on phen/fen for a 7 lb weight loss, or that they shouldn’t have to diet because there is this magic pill. As you have so wonderfully pointed out, there IS no magic. It is work. But losing the weight is half the battle. IMHO it is easy to lose the weight, but difficult to keep it off. So few people here give their success stories, what they’ve done to maintain, what happens when they stop weighing and measuring, when the drugs wear off, when the motivation flies out the window. What i am looking for are others who can say "y’know, i wanted those cookies today really bad, and here’s what I did tomake better choices". I can’t tolerate those who continually post how they "eat meat and sugar and have no appetite and ha ha ha to the rest of you idiots who haven’t discovered the joys of meds." Puh-lease. Lee)…..WE ARE HERE TO STAY..Love us or leave us. We are not going anywhere.
No prob. But Can we call a truce??? Can the phen/fen’ers stop harassing those who do it differently? lee, I admire the work you’ve done. I would be intereted in hearing what worked and didn’t work before you got to this point. i would like to hear how you cope on a daily/weekly/monthly basis with temptation, with your new body, with your new life. That is all part of the weight loss process, and one of the keys to long term success. You are one of the people I admire here because you seem to be reasonably level headed. I am here for the long haul. I have 30 lbs to lose – the same 30 lbs I have been gaining and losing for years. I won’t be able to lose it forever, a day at a time, without the help of others who are in the same boat. For me it is about making better choices. If my choices are going to ridiculed, then i’ll look elsewhere for support. In return, if I have nothing supportive to say, thenI won’t say it. Miss Lo aaj01.dial.pipex.com
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life. It has taken almost two years to lose 123 pounds. If that is
Lee, Congrats on the additional pound loss. I know that the more you lose, the longer it takes to lose another…. <G drip, drip, drip <the sound of fat molecules leaving awaiting for reports of the next pound loss, Lynne –155 pounds gone and still losing
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Here is a classic example of "supportive" posters shrewdly attacking other people under the guise of nice, friendly talk. Wendy equates that anyone not loosing (sic) weight her way does not have a happy out look on life. This is presumptive, arrogant and condescending. Cat’s reply is typical of CAT. She adds a snide biting remark and feels she can get away with it if she just adds a smiley emoticon next to it. Kinda like bringing flowers home to someone after slapping their face. Oh, to be surrounded by such greatness. We all should feel so lucky. Lee What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting excersise, and having a happier out look on life. That requires too much effort for some people.
122+ pounds lost since June 1994 Thanks to God, Atkins and Chemistry.
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for your info, my personal experience had nothing to do with morality, misunderstanding, or physician relucatnce. I did the drug thing for 6 years….continuously. The first 3 1/2 to 4 were great – I was a toothpick, never worried about ANYTHING. Then the paranoia started, mouth sores, memory loss. Bear in mind that this was a _doctor_prescribed_ plan. I visited the doc weekly. I didn’t make this up on my own, nor did I exceed the prescribed dosage.
It’s pretty clear by now that you are NOT talking about phentermine and fenfluramine. From your description of the side effects, you were taking an "upper" related to amphetamine. Please don’t confuse phen/fen with the "medication" you tried before. Don’t condemn all drug therapies just because you tried a bad one. And don’t moralize about "not able to support drug use." Do you support blood pressure medicine? Insulin for diabetics? Medicine for glaucoma? I’m glad you can acheive weight loss without medications. The point, as always, is DON’T MORALIZE about those who DO. The snide little comments don’t go unnoticed, and they will draw replies. — Joe B.
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: HOw about posting the failure rate of those losing weeight with chemical : help? Nobody seems to have posted THAT yet…… Read the Weintraub report, then post the rate. : for your info, my personal experience had nothing to do with morality, : misunderstanding, or physician relucatnce. I did the drug thing for 6 : years….continuously. The first 3 1/2 to 4 were great – I was a : toothpick, never worried about ANYTHING. Then the paranoia started, : mouth sores, memory loss. Bear in mind that this was a : _doctor_prescribed_ plan. I visited the doc weekly. I didn’t make this : up on my own, nor did I exceed the prescribed dosage. Why lump all "chemical" methods together? Can’t you tell us which med(s) you used? : I don’t insist everyone does it my way. If cabbage soup works for some : people, I want to hear about it. I also want to know what DOESN’t work : to I can avoid it. These are all steps in attaining a longterm : solution. What I can’t be supportive of are people who whine "I don’t : want to diet, I just want to lose weight and I want to lose it by : tomorrow" and those who send "ha ha i lost weight on phen/fen and eat : everything I want and you can’t ha ha ha" posts. I also admit I find : it terribly difficult to be supportive of drug use. In other words, you can only be supportive of people who think like you. : Congratulations on your success. I mean that sincerely. You are one of : the few around here who seems to be doing it sensibly, which I applaud. : I have problems with people who tell others they should go on phen/fen : for a 7 lb weight loss, or that they shouldn’t have to diet because : there is this magic pill. As you have so wonderfully pointed out, there : IS no magic. It is work. I was not work for me. Why shouldn’t I share this info? I never claim it will be that way for everyone. Do you have any *reason* you don’t think a person who wants to lose 7 lbs shouldn’t use phen/fen. : But losing the weight is half the battle. IMHO it is easy to lose the : weight, but difficult to keep it off. So few people here give their : success stories, what they’ve done to maintain, what happens when they : stop weighing and measuring, when the drugs wear off, when the : motivation flies out the window. What i am looking for are others who : can say "y’know, i wanted those cookies today really bad, and here’s : what I did tomake better choices". I can’t tolerate those who : continually post how they "eat meat and sugar and have no appetite and : ha ha ha to the rest of you idiots who haven’t discovered the joys of : meds." Puh-lease. I can’t stand people who post, "Get off your lazy asses and suffer with me, how dare you cheat and not suffer for it!" and then get upset that they get flamed. : No prob. But Can we call a truce??? Can the phen/fen’ers stop : harassing those who do it differently? Funny, comming from someone who has spent half of her post harassing people who do things differently from her! Quit acting as if you are superior becsue of the weight loss method you chose, and I will not flame. It’s fine if you think your weight loss a : For me it is about making better choices. If my choices are : going to ridiculed, then i’ll look elsewhere for support. In return, if : I have nothing supportive to say, thenI won’t say it. What a joke, can’t you remember what you wrote in your note! J
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: Wendy equates that anyone not loosing (sic) weight her way does not : have a happy out look on life. This is presumptive, arrogant and : condescending. I did not say that. You have the quote right here. : What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting : excersise, and having a happier out look on life. It was refering to the amount of pessimism here on this news group. I had yet to see one person who talked about how ATTITUDE effected their weight loss. — —– Wendy Marques, Graphic Artist/Web Author —– "Its gotta be the veggies…."
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You are not welcome here unless you can be supportive of ALL methods people use to lose weight.
This is a most ridiculous sand erroneous tatement! Are you saying that if someone posts here that he is going to lose weight by cutting off his perfectly fine left leg that we should be SUPPORTIVE of him? You’ve got to be kidding. This idea of support is starting to to turn my stomach. You people who are always whining and boohooing about this group not being supportive strike me as a bunch of babies….what exactly do you want? Someone to rubber-stamp your every idea? I find it much more valuable to be able to discuss various diet methods and ideas about dieting here–even though we don’t always agree. I would find this group incredibly boring (and primarily useless) if everyone agreed with everyone else in some sort of perverted concept of "support" like you are advocating. Life’s tough. Only the strong survive. And if you can’t–at the very least–rationally and logically defend your positions, you’re going to have trouble in many aspects of your life. –Dena L. Bruedigam
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What a joke, can’t you remember what you wrote in your note! J
Jet, get off your high horse and ride off into the sunset. Your posts are getting very boring. Cathi
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OK. If what we have here is a failure to communicate, how about more direct and clear cut statements and questions? Have a question? Ask the question you want answered. No one needs to put down another’s choices to express satisfation with their own. [ie. I had a horrible experience with the XYZ diet in the past, it had the following effects on my system. If you do decide to try it ask your doctor about symptom 1., sy2, sy3, etc. These things happen to some people who try XYZ and one needs to have as much information as possible to protect themselves.] or [ie. I am losing weight slowly and satisfactorily by eating a diet based on the whosit pyramid. I eat plenty of whole foods and complex carbohydrates full of fiber and try to stay within x per cent total fat each day, with no more than abc from saturated sources. I also do mtn exercises three times a week for cardio. I also use certain processes to maintain a positive mental attitude, which IMO helps one to stay in a successful posture. I believe keeping our moods positive contributes to a happier outlook on life. Who doesn't want more happiness in their lives?] Anyone who could flame one of these is just looking for a fight and can be reasonably ignored. The fights begin when someone taunts with "you junkies blah blah blah" or "you must eat carbohydrates blah blah blah" "the brain can ONLY get fed if you eat carbohydrates blah blah blah", "Forget science I know what works blah blah blah", "Only fat will make you fat", "Covert Bailey said so, and thats that" Lighten up, I have his book and watched his video, his infomercial and use some of his cute little sayings like "release the grease". When one starts a statement with "What ever happened to…" all that follows must be assumed to have vanished from the scene per the questioner’s viewpoint. What has vanished? (losing weight slowly, getting exercise, eating healthy, and having a happier outlook on life). What you INTEND is lost beneath what was conveyed. Then, based upon the bias this newsgroup has shown in the past for alternatives, it is easy to jump to the position that WE alternativeists are once again on the receiveing end of moralism. So it would appear factionalism has permeated a.s.d as perversely as it has penetrated the rest of the world. And why not? Now we have LFs, LCs and PFs knocking on the front door telling us what we MUST do to attain paradisio. We have puritans and heretics from all three escaping to the new world. We have the entrenched aristocrats of a.s.d risking civil war in their attempt to keep a.s.d a haven for the lowfat eating exercise mavens. And we have the upstart malcontents in the alternative countryside exclaiming that there is room for all of us if we would just accept those who are different. We don’t have to agree on approaches to eating, exercise, and mental attitude. But, we do have to agree that anyone not trashing his fellow traveler has the right to speak freely without risk of ridicule and public humiliation. My guess is that if those of us willing to make an attempt to get along can make this work and peer group pressure will handle the ones bent on continuing the fratricide. If you are interested let’s continue this discussion in a new thread. < RE: Getting Along And let’s also agree to resist responding to fools and idiots from <getting along in public. I promise to take negative responses from <getting along to e-mail. And in deference to my friendship with Jessica I further promise, for this thread at least to edit my profanities. See you soon. Lee(is this me or a pod person) Rodgers : Wendy equates that anyone not loosing (sic) weight her way does not : have a happy out look on life. This is presumptive, arrogant and : condescending. =-=-= I did not say that. You have the quote right here. : What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting : excersise, and having a happier out look on life. It was refering to the amount of pessimism here on this news group. I had yet to see one person who talked about how ATTITUDE effected their weight loss.
122+ pounds lost since June 1994 Thanks to God, Atkins and Chemistry.
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Dena: I agree with you 100%! We can’t all sit around and nod our heads and smile. It’s ok to disagree! And we don’t all have to be nicey-nice, either. It’s PHONY!! Vicki
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: Dena: : I agree with you 100%! We can’t all sit around and nod our heads and : smile. It’s ok to disagree! And we don’t all have to be nicey-nice, : either. It’s PHONY!! : Vicki Agreed, but can’t you have a difference of opinion with out being bitchy? -Wendy — —– Wendy Marques, Graphic Artist/Web Author —– "Its gotta be the veggies…."
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: And has a 95% failure rate. : I hate your attitude. Every fat person in the Western World has done the : "diet/exercise" thing (now relabled "lifestyle changes") to death. : As you will find out, it fails almost all of the time. Well, it didn’t fail for me! True, classic starvation diets caused me to yoyo, but when I finally learned which foods to eat, it worked like a charm. And, I’m having no trouble keeping it off, either. : : : We’ll see if your "healthier than thou" attitude changes after your 3rd, : 4th and 5th attempts. I love the way you act like you know so much when : you haven’t even finished your *1st* attempt. This must have been my 200th attempt, only I did it differently, similar to the original poster, and it worked! LA Clark
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Wow, Jet…how supportive of you. Go ahead and tell people how they are doomed to fail. I thought this was a support group. Why are you only supportive of people who do it "your way", and judgemental of others who chose a different (and in this case, more traditional) road?
was that you talking to you? isn’t being supportive is your responsibility too, unless you have become the moderator here? Notice how I caught you with above title. I was going to post "500 lb. Body Builder" but, oh well.. Your extremely overweight so just admit you do not know I wonder if there is a rhetoric suppressant LOST….over 20.5 % of my body weight. Since June 1994! Don’t tell me where it is, I don’t want to know.
i know you didn’t want to know, but here it is…. .205 = ~122 / x x = 122/.205 x = ~595 lbs. starting weight current weight = 473 lbs. i applaud your weight loss. but, at 475 lbs. or thereabouts you have a long way to go, and an incredible history of failure, so how about quieting down until you are say 250 lbs. 4 years from now? Next post — The 500 lb. Diet Doctor speaks! BTW, I am in know way criticizing your diet, just your angry attitude. You probably don’t like this post, but if you re-read you will see it is because it is revealing to you. regards bob
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writes: : And has a 95% failure rate. : I hate your attitude. Every fat person in the Western World has done the : "diet/exercise" thing (now relabled "lifestyle changes") to death. : As you will find out, it fails almost all of the time. Well, it didn’t fail for me! True, classic starvation diets caused me to yoyo, but when I finally learned which foods to eat, it worked like a charm. And, I’m having no trouble keeping it off, either.
Gee, no one is taking into consideration here that there "is" a 5% success rate! My sister is one of them. She just lost over the last couple of years about 100 lbs. I am very proud of her. She did not go on any particular diet and is not on the meds. She just watches what she eats and works out. "Brenda" "One of the new "druggies" and lovin’ it!" "Let your jeans be the judge!" "Fate must have a reason, why else endure the season of hollow soul."
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Gee, no one is taking into consideration here that there "is" a 5% success rate!
Exactly! If not more than a 5 percent success rate with lowfat and exercise. As someone pointed out, the 95 percent failure rate quoted is taken from a study considering many forms of dieting, from lowfat to OptiFast, to WW, to Jenny Craig, to Atkins, to starvation. My sister is one of them. She just lost over the last couple of years about 100 lbs. I am very proud of her. She did not go on any particular diet and is not on the meds. She just watches what she eats and works out.
My sister in law is one of the successes too! I didn’t know specifics about her weight and size, but when I met her 8 years ago she was definitely larger than me (placing her around the size 14-ish range) and definitely shorter than me. She and my brother, while dating in college, would also apparently stay up all night before exams studying and putting away Krispy Kreme doughnuts from the local KK bakery. Not to mention their affection for BK cheeseburgers, beer and barbecue. Their house was THE place to go when you wanted good food and lots of it. Then they moved away and I didn’t see them for about two years. Amy started jogging around the block every morning with their dogs and they almost completely cut out all meat and fat from their diet. As a matter of fact, for the longest time, the only steaks they’d eat would be the ones that came from her family’s farm. They still barely eat meat. Thanksgiving at their house was a rather odd experience. Lots of food I had never tried that way before. The last time I saw Amy she was in a size 2 dress and looked terrific! When I first met her I thought she was "big boned" because she looked like someone who would always be rather large. I was wrong. She has lost the weight and has kept it off for over five years. I have no doubt she’ll continue to do so. Cat Visit My Townhouse on the Internet At: /,`.-’`’ -, ;-;;’ http://www.feline.org/feline/ |,4- ) )-,_ ) /
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What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting excersise, and having a happier out look on life.
That requires too much effort for some people. As I have been over weight for almost 11 years, I have tried every diet known to man, (or woman in this case) Nothing has worked. Well it would work, but it would come back once my old eating habbits resumed.
Yup. I haven’t been overweight for much of my life, but I did gain my 20 unwanted lbs by doing the very same thing. I am distured by the amount of weight loss advice that comes from this group on loosing 14 lbs in two weeks, the cabbage soup diet, ect. It concerns me that thee are not that many people concerned about good nutrition, getting the right amound of vitamins and nutrients from food(not just suppliments), and just plain overall healthly living.
I am disturbed by this as well. You are not alone. I almost wish there were an "alt.support.fad-diet" these folks could take their crackpot Herbalife, Soup and Rice and Banana diets to. It is precisely that kind of dieting that leads to an overfat individual who may be thrilled that the scale reads 14lbs but who will hate to see it creep up and over that 14lb mark later. Now before any of you get the idea that I am some skinny person trying to sell you on what I think is good for fat people, I am a female, about 27, and I currently weigh 220(down from 269).
I don’t see you trying to "sell" us on anything. You’ve lost more weight than I have and this is only my first attempt at reversing the direction of the needle on the scale. But at the same time, I’m also getting my bodyfat measured too because my goal is size 8 OR 20lbs. One or the other. For me, what I see in the mirror is far more important than what some dumb machine that I stomp on says. After having worked with a nutritionist, and my physician, I can eat well balenced food, and not be hungry. ( As I have only one kidney, I cannot add drugs to my system) I know there are militant people who say that the food guide produced by the govenement/medical community is a conspircy/plot, whatever, but I have this strong feeling that my doctor wants to keep me alive, not follow some sinister path.
Who’d have thought that Oliver Stone would read Usenet? And furthermore, that he would actively post to a diet group? I also excersise about 4-5 times a week. Not to boost my metabolism, but because it makes me feel good. I don’t excercise all that hard, about 1.5 miles on the treadmill at 2.5mph, 15 min on stair master, and 12 min on rowing machine. I also play alot of hockey, and I inline skate whenever I can. (Skating is so much fun for me, its like excersice with out the work) And about 2-3 low impact resistance training with weights.
Good for you! That’s a great way to exercise. If anyone is interested, I will send them more information about the program I am on.
Well, we are interested. Why don’t you post it? Especially if it’s true that the… I am not trying to sell anything. Just offering a healthy, SLOW weight loss program. Sorry, I just need to vent alittle frustration.
I understand. I have been reading this group on and off for the past four years. The level to which fad diets and drugs have been espoused around here really seems to have risen in the past year. Visit My Townhouse on the Internet At: /,`.-’`’ -, ;-;;’ http://www.feline.org/feline/ |,4- ) )-,_ ) /
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What ever happened to loosing weight slowly, eating healthy, getting excersise, and having a happier out look on life. As I have been over weight for almost 11 years, I have tried every diet known to man, (or woman in this case) Nothing has worked. Well it would work, but it would come back once my old eating habbits resumed. I am distured by the amount of weight loss advice that comes from this group on loosing 14 lbs in two weeks, the cabbage soup diet, ect. It concerns me that thee are not that many people concerned about good nutrition, getting the right amound of vitamins and nutrients from food(not just suppliments), and just plain overall healthly living. Now before any of you get the idea that I am some skinny person trying to sell you on what I think is good for fat people, I am a female, about 27, and I currently weigh 220(down from 269). After having worked with a nutritionist, and my physician, I can eat well balenced food, and not be hungry. ( As I have only one kidney, I cannot add drugs to my system) I know there are militant people who say that the food guide produced by the govenement/medical community is a conspircy/plot, whatever, but I have this strong feeling that my doctor wants to keep me alive, not follow some sinister path. Anyway, I am following a low fat, "live it" I have not been hungry, I have not binged, and I have not gone back to drinking soda with sugar. People who know me can see the difference in my attitude, and in my apperance. I also excersise about 4-5 times a week. Not to boost my metabolism, but because it makes me feel good. I don’t excercise all that hard, about 1.5 miles on the treadmill at 2.5mph, 15 min on stair master, and 12 min on rowing machine. I also play alot of hockey, and I inline skate whenever I can. (Skating is so much fun for me, its like excersice with out the work) And about 2-3 low impact resistance training with weights. If anyone is interested, I will send them more information about the program I am on. I am not trying to sell anything. Just offering a healthy, SLOW weight loss program. Sorry, I just need to vent alittle frustration. -Wendy — —– Wendy Marques, Graphic Artist/Web Author —– "Its gotta be the veggies…."
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Figurehead for the noncriminally insane I believe. 
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