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How do you know Remeron caused the rash? Nobody can say for sure. But the first time the rash appeared coincided with the use of Remeron. Since then it has appeared with every med. she took caused the same rash. So we thought maybe it’s the fillers and Diana Perhaps Diana has a chronic skin condition unrelated to the meds she has taken. Indeed. But it seems at least remarkable that the rash disappears when she’s not taking any meds and reappears as soon as she starts taking one, whichever…
I haven’t been following this, and I don’t know much about allergic reactions to the various chemicals in meds, but it seems to me there can only be two valid explanations for this. 1) there is a common allergin in all the meds she has tried. Possible. 2) It is a "nervous" reactions to taking medications. This is quite possible. A allergy specialist may be able to sort it out. Ian
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Philip, No it is not the time of the year, I love this time when the evenings are long.
I see….I like long evenings too but my favourite season remains summer when one can go out without a coat even in H olland…. Today was the day that my mother died so I had a hell of a week.
I can relate….. I am sorry about that. Also whe had to go out of the house and than I need more valium. Maybe you know the pleace, Steenwijk, Emmeloord,
Yep. I have been to Steenwijk and I seem to remember Emmeloord as well. How much Valium do you take on such a day and did it go well? Love Diana.
Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rash on my body wors than before. Oh dear…..you get it coming and going, don’t you? I was in the university clinic and she give me Elyzol 1%, but that is now the trouble. This morning I was to my GP and they are there with 3GP’s. I have show them wat this med; do to me. it eat’s my skin away. the liquid flow out of my skin, and the most where I have it ,is on my chest. Doesn’t sound good at all. My own GP ask the other 2 if they want to look at it, and both they say she in the university has it wrong. This can’t be Rosacea, so I go tomorrow to a other hopital for a blood test. What hospital, Diana? I am appalled, indeed almost speechless, at the Groningen university clinic dermatologist…. you should think about suing her. He give me now Tetracycline caps 250mg because it is now inflamed, I have to take that for 14 day’s and than he will see it again, if I would not have trouble with any side effect’s than I have to come sooner. Not only my own GP was angry but also the other 2GP’s. I have told them that I had to take the last days more valium than I normel do because this is not one of my best time. This is a bad time for many people with PAD what with the days getting shorter and darker and the ominous Holiday Season drawing near…. They are also the meaning that it has to do something with the fillers in the med; that I have used the last 2 years. so if thid bring me nothing I wil ask my Pdoc when I see him(jan9) what I can do and if he don’t know I will. Yes, the fillers…. we thought that all along….I am beinning to believe that there must have been something with the Remeron that caused it….I didn’t believe that at first… Than I go to the west of the Netherlands(Amsterdam, to my own people) and I will ask them If they want to help me. If you could see me now how my chest look it is dirthy. I need to use bandage for my clothes. Poor soul…..*&^$%# !! To the AMC, Diana? I am all for it and always have been. I am very disappointed in the Groningen hospital. You have every reason to be *very angry* now, IMO. Love Diana. Philip
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Philip, She don’t say to me that she was a real doc, that is maybe why she would not answer my questions. I have try the find out if i have take some other soap or what i am eating, but there is nothing that i can find. It is all the same as 2 years ago.
I don’t agree. You have learned a lot, for example: that it *is* possible to have *no* anxiety. This was when you first were on the Remeron and felt like you had gotten a *new life* and you flew to Ireland and had a great vacation and lots more of great stuff. So it is *proven* that you can live without anxiety. Now you have bad luck with this bitch doctor in Groningen but let’s wait for the results of the bloodwork and if that isn;t satisfying I think you should indeed go back to the AMC. I feel the solution is *around the corner* and someday soon you will find it. You know how it work in a university clinic, they don’t say nothing. This morning i went to a other hospital for a blood test and i hope that they will find something. This is something that can’t go on, I DON’T want this NO more.
Of course you don’t want this anymore, it’s quite terrible. BUT not wanting it anymore means trying *everything* to change it. I simply do NOT believe that you will be the only human being in the world who can’t make progress with anxiety, especialluy as it has been proven that you can. (Grammar Problem: I suddenly forget whether it is *proven* or *proved*…anybody please? 
) I am tired of all this, in a other message you ask me how it went to Emmeloord and Steenwijk, I don’t know I was so stoned from the valium so I don’t remember very much of the ride. How much I take?? to much.
How much is that? I told you all that I will try to go to Amsterdam AMC, but don’t forget it is for me very far
I know but if necessary you can do it. I wonder if you have relatives or good friends in Amsterdam where you could stay for a bit if necessary. After all you are from Amsterdam (as am I)…. or they should admit you as an inpatient in order to do every test under the sun. Did you read Margrove’s and Chip’s posts? If not I have them filed away and can forward them to you. And it will take a lot of me, but maybe that my Pdoc can help me when he is back. He can do more than I can.
Hm…you can do *everything*, actually it’s amazing how strong you are. The pdoc can help you help yourself. In the meantime why not find a CB-therapist? That’s *active work* which is most rewarding as you can literally make yourself progress….. and there *is* a CBT-therapist in your very street….(me havem good memory, benzobrain or no benzobrain). If you can go to Groningen or even Amsterdam you can also go to the closest CBT practice – they may have one in Meppel too. The great thing about CBT is that you can actually *do* something for yourself, *work* on it which is effective and a boost to your self esteem, I promise you that. Love Diana.
Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The peculiar thing is that Diana (hi, Diana, we’re talking *about* you! Sshtt! *We* are talking *about* you )) had been on several AD’s and benzos for years without any skin problem. Then she was goven remeron which was the first med that actually worked for her and gave her her life back and then she had to stop taking it because it caused this rash. So far so good. But from then on every med How do you know Remeron caused the rash? Nobody can say for sure. But the first time the rash appeared coincided with the use of Remeron. Since then it has appeared with every med. she took caused the same rash. So we thought maybe it’s the fillers and Diana Perhaps Diana has a chronic skin condition unrelated to the meds she has taken. Indeed. But it seems at least remarkable that the rash disappears when she’s not taking any meds and reappears as soon as she starts taking one, whichever… tried liquid Prozac (is that right, Diana or is *benzobrain* here confusing his meds?) with *no* fillers and still got the rash. Also now on Valium. What in the That supports the notion that her rash is not caused by her meds or by their fillers. You may be right but it still seems med related because it only appears when she takes a med. Even if this were coincidental, what could it be? world can have caused this? It seems like *something* in the Remeron. But what? I would not assume (based on what I know of the facts) that her rash is caused by Remeron. Or by any of the meds she has taken. You may very well be right. But what *can* it be? And how? And why? And how to go on? Now there was this dermatologist at Groningen university clinic who diagnosed her with *rosacea* but it’s not in her face, but on her chest….3 GP’s say the diagnosis is incorrect. Even if it was correct the wrong med was prescribed…. To the best of my knowledge, rosacea occurs *only* on the face. Perhaps Diana has two types of rashes: Rosacea on her face, and another type of rash on her chest. I’ve seen patients with 3 or 4 different types of rashes on various parts of their body all at the same time. Hm….this warrants more research… What a mess…. there should be a clear step by step plan for a *complete* examination of Diana’s blood and someone should look more closely into the Remeron connection. I’ve never heard of something like this before, have you, Margrove? Chip? I wonder if Diana saw a med student or resident at the University she went to. And not a full blown dermatolgist. Dianaaaaaaaaa! Was the doc you saw een *assistent* of een echte al heel lang afgestudeerde huidarts? I think it’s a good idea if Diana went to the AMC, the Amsyterdam University clinic. But wouldn’t it be best if she could write down *exactly* what to ask and No. She should say she’s depressed, anxious, and has a rash and wants diagnoses and treatment for them. Let the doctors think of the appropriate questions to ask Diana. Of course. But why not go both ways? what to have done? This has to be treated and fast and good. She shouldn’t have to suffer like this for so long at the hands of all sorts of incompetent doctors. Help. Philip That Amsterdam University Clinic sounds like a good bet. She should see a generalist (i.e. GP, Family Practioner, or Internest) first for evaluation, and he can make appropriate referrals for psych and derm if necessary. Chip On behalf of Diana and the Dutch people in general: thank you for your advice which is certainly illuminating IMO. Philip Before you buy.
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Philip, She don’t say to me that she was a real doc, that is maybe why she would not answer my questions. I have try the find out if i have take some other soap or what i am eating, but there is nothing that i can find. It is all the same as 2 years ago. You know how it work in a university clinic, they don’t say nothing. This morning i went to a other hospital for a blood test and i hope that they will find something. This is something that can’t go on, I DON’T want this NO more. I am tired of all this, in a other message you ask me how it went to Emmeloord and Steenwijk, I don’t know I was so stoned from the valium so I don’t remember very much of the ride. How much I take?? to much. I told you all that I will try to go to Amsterdam AMC, but don’t forget it is for me very far And it will take a lot of me, but maybe that my Pdoc can help me when he is back. He can do more than I can. Love Diana. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The peculiar thing is that Diana (hi, Diana, we’re talking *about* you! Sshtt! *We* are talking *about* you )) had been on several AD’s and benzos for years without any skin problem. Then she was goven remeron which was the first med that actually worked for her and gave her her life back and then she had to stop taking it because it caused this rash. So far so good. But from then on every med How do you know Remeron caused the rash? Nobody can say for sure. But the first time the rash appeared coincided with the use of Remeron. Since then it has appeared with every med. she took caused the same rash. So we thought maybe it’s the fillers and Diana Perhaps Diana has a chronic skin condition unrelated to the meds she has taken. Indeed. But it seems at least remarkable that the rash disappears when she’s not taking any meds and reappears as soon as she starts taking one, whichever… tried liquid Prozac (is that right, Diana or is *benzobrain* here confusing his meds?) with *no* fillers and still got the rash. Also now on Valium. What in the That supports the notion that her rash is not caused by her meds or by their fillers. You may be right but it still seems med related because it only appears when she takes a med. Even if this were coincidental, what could it be? world can have caused this? It seems like *something* in the Remeron. But what? I would not assume (based on what I know of the facts) that her rash is caused by Remeron. Or by any of the meds she has taken. You may very well be right. But what *can* it be? And how? And why? And how to go on? Now there was this dermatologist at Groningen university clinic who diagnosed her with *rosacea* but it’s not in her face, but on her chest….3 GP’s say the diagnosis is incorrect. Even if it was correct the wrong med was prescribed…. To the best of my knowledge, rosacea occurs *only* on the face. Perhaps Diana has two types of rashes: Rosacea on her face, and another type of rash on her chest. I’ve seen patients with 3 or 4 different types of rashes on various parts of their body all at the same time. Hm….this warrants more research… What a mess…. there should be a clear step by step plan for a *complete* examination of Diana’s blood and someone should look more closely into the Remeron connection. I’ve never heard of something like this before, have you, Margrove? Chip? I wonder if Diana saw a med student or resident at the University she went to. And not a full blown dermatolgist. Dianaaaaaaaaa! Was the doc you saw een *assistent* of een echte al heel lang afgestudeerde huidarts? I think it’s a good idea if Diana went to the AMC, the Amsyterdam University clinic. But wouldn’t it be best if she could write down *exactly* what to ask and No. She should say she’s depressed, anxious, and has a rash and wants diagnoses and treatment for them. Let the doctors think of the appropriate questions to ask Diana. Of course. But why not go both ways? what to have done? This has to be treated and fast and good. She shouldn’t have to suffer like this for so long at the hands of all sorts of
incompetent doctors. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Help. Philip That Amsterdam University Clinic sounds like a good bet. She should see a generalist (i.e. GP, Family Practioner, or Internest) first for evaluation, and he can make appropriate referrals for psych and derm if necessary. Chip On behalf of Diana and the Dutch people in general: thank you for your advice which is certainly illuminating IMO. Philip Before you buy.
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Philip, No it is not the time of the year, I love this time when the evenings are long. Today was the day that my mother died so I had a hell of a week. Also whe had to go out of the house and than I need more valium. Maybe you know the pleace, Steenwijk, Emmeloord, Love Diana. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rash on my body wors than before. Oh dear…..you get it coming and going, don’t you? I was in the university clinic and she give me Elyzol 1%, but that is now the trouble. This morning I was to my GP and they are there with 3GP’s. I have show them wat this med; do to me. it eat’s my skin away. the liquid flow out of my skin, and the most where I have it ,is on my chest. Doesn’t sound good at all. My own GP ask the other 2 if they want to look at it, and both they say she in the university has it wrong. This can’t be Rosacea, so I go tomorrow to a other hopital for a blood test. What hospital, Diana? I am appalled, indeed almost speechless, at the Groningen university clinic dermatologist…. you should think about suing her. He give me now Tetracycline caps 250mg because it is now inflamed, I have to take that for 14 day’s and than he will see it again, if I would not have trouble with any side effect’s than I have to come sooner. Not only my own GP was angry but also the other 2GP’s. I have told them that I had to take the last days more valium than I normel do because this is not one of my best time. This is a bad time for many people with PAD what with the days getting shorter and darker and the ominous Holiday Season drawing near…. They are also the meaning that it has to do something with the fillers in the med; that I have used the last 2 years. so if thid bring me nothing I wil ask my Pdoc when I see him(jan9) what I can do and if he don’t know I will. Yes, the fillers…. we thought that all along….I am beinning to believe that there must have been something with the Remeron that caused it….I didn’t believe that at first… Than I go to the west of the Netherlands(Amsterdam, to my own people) and I will ask them If they want to help me. If you could see me now how my chest look it is dirthy. I need to use bandage for my clothes. Poor soul…..*&^$%# !! To the AMC, Diana? I am all for it and always have been. I am very disappointed in the Groningen hospital. You have every reason to be *very angry* now, IMO. Love Diana. Philip
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Topical metronidazole, in either 0.75% gel twice daily or 1% cream once daily, is the topical treatment of choice for Rosacea. Chip I’ll have you talk to my wife she’s a dermotologist and insists it isn’t except in textbooks LM
Anyway, the subject at hand isn’t Rosacea at all as it seems so this little dispute is of little consequence. P.
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The peculiar thing is that Diana (hi, Diana, we’re talking *about* you! Sshtt! *We* are talking *about* you )) had been on several AD’s and benzos for years without any skin problem. Then she was goven remeron which was the first med that actually worked for her and gave her her life back and then she had to stop taking it because it caused this rash. So far so good. But from then on every med How do you know Remeron caused the rash?
Nobody can say for sure. But the first time the rash appeared coincided with the use of Remeron. Since then it has appeared with every med. she took caused the same rash. So we thought maybe it’s the fillers and Diana Perhaps Diana has a chronic skin condition unrelated to the meds she has taken.
Indeed. But it seems at least remarkable that the rash disappears when she’s not taking any meds and reappears as soon as she starts taking one, whichever… tried liquid Prozac (is that right, Diana or is *benzobrain* here confusing his meds?) with *no* fillers and still got the rash. Also now on Valium. What in the That supports the notion that her rash is not caused by her meds or by their fillers.
You may be right but it still seems med related because it only appears when she takes a med. Even if this were coincidental, what could it be? world can have caused this? It seems like *something* in the Remeron. But what? I would not assume (based on what I know of the facts) that her rash is caused by Remeron. Or by any of the meds she has taken.
You may very well be right. But what *can* it be? And how? And why? And how to go on? Now there was this dermatologist at Groningen university clinic who diagnosed her with *rosacea* but it’s not in her face, but on her chest….3 GP’s say the diagnosis is incorrect. Even if it was correct the wrong med was prescribed…. To the best of my knowledge, rosacea occurs *only* on the face. Perhaps Diana has two types of rashes: Rosacea on her face, and another type of rash on her chest. I’ve seen patients with 3 or 4 different types of rashes on various parts of their body all at the same time.
Hm….this warrants more research… What a mess…. there should be a clear step by step plan for a *complete* examination of Diana’s blood and someone should look more closely into the Remeron connection. I’ve never heard of something like this before, have you, Margrove? Chip? I wonder if Diana saw a med student or resident at the University she went to. And not a full blown dermatolgist.
Dianaaaaaaaaa! Was the doc you saw een *assistent* of een echte al heel lang afgestudeerde huidarts? I think it’s a good idea if Diana went to the AMC, the Amsyterdam University clinic. But wouldn’t it be best if she could write down *exactly* what to ask and No. She should say she’s depressed, anxious, and has a rash and wants diagnoses and treatment for them. Let the doctors think of the appropriate questions to ask Diana.
Of course. But why not go both ways? what to have done? This has to be treated and fast and good. She shouldn’t have to suffer like this for so long at the hands of all sorts of incompetent doctors. Help. Philip That Amsterdam University Clinic sounds like a good bet. She should see a generalist (i.e. GP, Family Practioner, or Internest) first for evaluation, and he can make appropriate referrals for psych and derm if necessary. Chip
On behalf of Diana and the Dutch people in general: thank you for your advice which is certainly illuminating IMO. Philip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before you buy.
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The peculiar thing is that Diana (hi, Diana, we’re talking *about* you! Sshtt! *We* are talking *about* you )) had been on several AD’s and benzos for years without any skin problem. Then she was goven remeron which was the first med that actually worked for her and gave her her life back and then she had to stop taking it because it caused this rash. So far so good. But from then on every med How do you know Remeron caused the rash? Nobody can say for sure. But the first time the rash appeared coincided with the use of Remeron. Since then it has appeared with every med.
Did the rash disappear when she stopped the Remeron? One would have to look very closely at the temporal relationship between the start of a med and the onset of a rash. As well as stopping the med with disappearance of the rash. Are these observations made by a physician? she took caused the same rash. So we thought maybe it’s the fillers and Diana Perhaps Diana has a chronic skin condition unrelated to the meds she has taken. Indeed. But it seems at least remarkable that the rash disappears when she’s not taking any meds and reappears as soon as she starts taking one, whichever…
Has a physician observed this? tried liquid Prozac (is that right, Diana or is *benzobrain* here confusing his meds?) with *no* fillers and still got the rash. Also now on Valium. What in the That supports the notion that her rash is not caused by her meds or by their fillers. You may be right but it still seems med related because it only appears when she takes a med. Even if this were coincidental, what could it be?
It could be alot of different kinds of rashes. However, a good rule of thumb is that common rashes tend to occur more commonly than rare ones. And she may have a common skin rash completely unrelated to any meds she’s taking. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – world can have caused this? It seems like *something* in the Remeron. But what? I would not assume (based on what I know of the facts) that her rash is caused by Remeron. Or by any of the meds she has taken. You may very well be right. But what *can* it be? And how? And why? And how to go on? Now there was this dermatologist at Groningen university clinic who diagnosed her with *rosacea* but it’s not in her face, but on her chest….3 GP’s say the diagnosis is incorrect. Even if it was correct the wrong med was prescribed…. To the best of my knowledge, rosacea occurs *only* on the face. Perhaps Diana has two types of rashes: Rosacea on her face, and another type of rash on her chest. I’ve seen patients with 3 or 4 different types of rashes on various parts of their body all at the same time. Hm….this warrants more research…
And Diana should report her symptoms and let the doctors do the reasearch for the answers. What a mess…. there should be a clear step by step plan for a *complete* examination of Diana’s blood and someone should look more closely into the Remeron connection. I’ve never heard of something like this before, have you, Margrove? Chip? I wonder if Diana saw a med student or resident at the University she went to. And not a full blown dermatolgist. Dianaaaaaaaaa! Was the doc you saw een *assistent* of een echte al heel lang afgestudeerde huidarts?
Ask Diana if she accidently saw the janitor instead of a doctor. I think it’s a good idea if Diana went to the AMC, the Amsyterdam University clinic. But wouldn’t it be best if she could write down *exactly* what to ask and No. She should say she’s depressed, anxious, and has a rash and wants diagnoses and treatment for them. Let the doctors think of the appropriate questions to ask Diana. Of course. But why not go both ways?
If the time with the doctor is limited, I would let the doctor take the lead in asking questions he thinks are important. It will be hard for the doctor to answer Diana’s questions before he has some idea of what her problems are. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what to have done? This has to be treated and fast and good. She shouldn’t have to suffer like this for so long at the hands of all sorts of incompetent doctors. Help. Philip That Amsterdam University Clinic sounds like a good bet. She should see a generalist (i.e. GP, Family Practioner, or Internest) first for evaluation, and he can make appropriate referrals for psych and derm if necessary. Chip On behalf of Diana and the Dutch people in general: thank you for your advice which is certainly illuminating IMO. Philip
Myself and all the people of the USA are happy to do whatever we can for Diana and the rest of the Dutch people. Chip Before you buy.
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Metronidazole
well in that case if this is rosacea topical antifungals can make it worse in some cases and cause some eruptive dermatosis-so Diana may just be highly allergenic and skin sensitive-the tetracycline orally may help in a few days but this had best be looked at by a dermo-one can also absorb this stuff through the skin and its effects seen elsewhere if hypersensitive to it LM
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Margrove asked:
another thought-years ago I had a client who had developed a significant urinary tract infection she went through a culture and sensitivity or her urine and it was a microbe that was only killed by pennicilin-It was determined that the only form that had accesibility to the area of her urinary tract this was breeding in was carbenicillin-she was highly allergic to penicillins and other meds with similar antimicrobial effect were useless-so her doc gave her geocillin and benadryl and she got better with no allergic reactions-if Dianna’s psychiatric condition deems it necessary she could go this route as well provided it’s risk vrs benefit ratio is intact-It is hard to believe that of all the available meds in the antidepressant arena some of which have weak antihistamic properties by themselves will cause an allergic reaction. The other meds may not deliver as much relief as is wanted but they may help. the available polypharmocological possibilities are huge including mood stabilizers reversinle and irreversible maoi’s nueroleptics and not the very least cbt-Paying such focus on drug cures is in some cases a waste of time if the patient is intolerant of all of them for whatever reason. Which I find hard to believe. If no other organic reason is found using even non scientific allergenic testing like rast blood tests with diluted ad meds to see if antigens are present-then one must conclude that meds are not an option. But this has not been exhausted as of yet as far as I can see. Professional intervention from someone who is willing to put the time in and use a medicaly viable bases for their conclusions is mandatory and I do hope is obtained. If not in the Netherlands then somewhere else that is accesible LM
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Metronidazole well in that case if this is rosacea topical antifungals can make it worse in
Topical metronidazole, in either 0.75% gel twice daily or 1% cream once daily, is the topical treatment of choice for Rosacea. Chip some cases and cause some eruptive dermatosis-so Diana may just be highly allergenic and skin sensitive-the tetracycline orally may help in a few days but this had best be looked at by a dermo-one can also absorb this stuff through the skin and its effects seen elsewhere if hypersensitive to it LM
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This is all I can offer you because I’m not a doctor. I hope you blast them all at that hospital!!! Love, Di
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rash on my body wors than before. I was in the university clinic and she give me Elyzol 1%, but that is now the trouble. This morning I was to my GP and they are there with 3GP’s. I have show them wat this med; do to me. it eat’s my skin away. the liquid flow out of my skin, and the most where I have it ,is on my chest. My own GP ask the other 2 if they want to look at it, and both they say she in the university has it wrong. This can’t be Rosacea, so I go tomorrow to a other hopital for a blood test. He give me now Tetracycline caps 250mg because it is now inflamed, I have to take that for 14 day’s and than he will see it again, if I would not have trouble with any side effect’s than I have to come sooner. Not only my own GP was angry but also the other 2GP’s. I have told them that I had to take the last days more valium than I normel do because this is not one of my best time. They are also the meaning that it has to do something with the fillers in the med; that I have used the last 2 years. so if thid bring me nothing I wil ask my Pdoc when I see him(jan9) what I can do and if he don’t know I will. Than I go to the west of the Netherlands(Amsterdam, to my own people) and I will ask them If they want to help me. If you could see me now how my chest look it is dirthy. I need to use bandage for my clothes. Love Diana.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rash on my body wors than before. I was in the university clinic and she give me Elyzol 1%, but that is now the trouble. This morning I was to my GP and they are there with 3GP’s. I have show them wat this med; do to me. it eat’s my skin away. the liquid flow out of my skin, and the most where I have it ,is on my chest. My own GP ask the other 2 if they want to look at it, and both they say she in the university has it wrong. This can’t be Rosacea, so I go tomorrow to a other hopital for a blood test. He give me now Tetracycline caps 250mg because it is now inflamed, I have to take that for 14 day’s and than he will see it again, if I would not have trouble with any side effect’s than I have to come sooner. Not only my own GP was angry but also the other 2GP’s. I have told them that I had to take the last days more valium than I normel do because this is not one of my best time. They are also the meaning that it has to do something with the fillers in the med; that I have used the last 2 years. so if thid bring me nothing I wil ask my Pdoc when I see him(jan9) what I can do and if he don’t know I will. Than I go to the west of the Netherlands(Amsterdam, to my own people) and I will ask them If they want to help me. If you could see me now how my chest look it is dirthy. I need to use bandage for my clothes.
Dear Diana, I am so sorry this is happening to you. I want to wish you much luck at the hospital tomorrow, hopefully they will have some answers for you. Hang in there, this is going to be taken care of, I am sure of it. Jackie
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Topical metronidazole, in either 0.75% gel twice daily or 1% cream once daily, is the topical treatment of choice for Rosacea. Chip
I’ll have you talk to my wife she’s a dermotologist and insists it isn’t except in textbooks LM
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Hi, Diana, Sorry to hear about your rash. Besure to follow up on the blood test tomorrow – call your doctor afterwards and see what he says. if he offers nothing TELL him you WANT to see a determalogist TODAY. they have played around too long with you you need to be very assertive and get some results. Please keep us posted. ((((((DIANA)))))) - thinking of you! smiles, elise
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rash on my body wors than before. I was in the university clinic and she give me Elyzol 1%, but that is now the trouble. This morning I was to my GP and they are there with 3GP’s. I have show them wat this med; do to me. it eat’s my skin away. the liquid flow out of my skin, and the most where I have it ,is on my chest. My own GP ask the other 2 if they want to look at it, and both they say she in the university has it wrong. This can’t be Rosacea, so I go tomorrow to a other hopital for a blood test. He give me now Tetracycline caps 250mg because it is now inflamed, I have to take that for 14 day’s and than he will see it again, if I would not have trouble with any side effect’s than I have to come sooner. Not only my own GP was angry but also the other 2GP’s. I have told them that I had to take the last days more valium than I normel do because this is not one of my best time. They are also the meaning that it has to do something with the fillers in the med; that I have used the last 2 years. so if thid bring me nothing I wil ask my Pdoc when I see him(jan9) what I can do and if he don’t know I will. Than I go to the west of the Netherlands(Amsterdam, to my own people) and I will ask them If they want to help me. If you could see me now how my chest look it is dirthy. I need to use bandage for my clothes. Love Diana.
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Metronidazole well in that case if this is rosacea topical antifungals can make it worse in some cases and cause some eruptive dermatosis-so Diana may just be highly allergenic and skin sensitive-the tetracycline orally may help in a few days but this had best be looked at by a dermo-one can also absorb this stuff through the skin and its effects seen elsewhere if hypersensitive to it LM
The peculiar thing is that Diana (hi, Diana, we’re talking *about* you! Sshtt! *We* are talking *about* you )) had been on several AD’s and benzos for years without any skin problem. Then she was goven remeron which was the first med that actually worked for her and gave her her life back and then she had to stop taking it because it caused this rash. So far so good. But from then on every med she took caused the same rash. So we thought maybe it’s the fillers and Diana tried liquid Prozac (is that right, Diana or is *benzobrain* here confusing his meds?) with *no* fillers and still got the rash. Also now on Valium. What in the world can have caused this? It seems like *something* in the Remeron. But what? And how? And why? And how to go on? Now there was this dermatologist at Groningen university clinic who diagnosed her with *rosacea* but it’s not in her face, but on her chest….3 GP’s say the diagnosis is incorrect. Even if it was correct the wrong med was prescribed…. What a mess…. there should be a clear step by step plan for a *complete* examination of Diana’s blood and someone should look more closely into the Remeron connection. I’ve never heard of something like this before, have you, Margrove? Chip? I think it’s a good idea if Diana went to the AMC, the Amsyterdam University clinic. But wouldn’t it be best if she could write down *exactly* what to ask and what to have done? This has to be treated and fast and good. She shouldn’t have to suffer like this for so long at the hands of all sorts of incompetent doctors. Help. Philip
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The rash on my body wors than before.
Oh dear…..you get it coming and going, don’t you? I was in the university clinic and she give me Elyzol 1%, but that is now the trouble. This morning I was to my GP and they are there with 3GP’s. I have show them wat this med; do to me. it eat’s my skin away. the liquid flow out of my skin, and the most where I have it ,is on my chest.
Doesn’t sound good at all. My own GP ask the other 2 if they want to look at it, and both they say she in the university has it wrong. This can’t be Rosacea, so I go tomorrow to a other hopital for a blood test.
What hospital, Diana? I am appalled, indeed almost speechless, at the Groningen university clinic dermatologist…. you should think about suing her. He give me now Tetracycline caps 250mg because it is now inflamed, I have to take that for 14 day’s and than he will see it again, if I would not have trouble with any side effect’s than I have to come sooner. Not only my own GP was angry but also the other 2GP’s. I have told them that I had to take the last days more valium than I normel do because this is not one of my best time.
This is a bad time for many people with PAD what with the days getting shorter and darker and the ominous Holiday Season drawing near…. They are also the meaning that it has to do something with the fillers in the med; that I have used the last 2 years. so if thid bring me nothing I wil ask my Pdoc when I see him(jan9) what I can do and if he don’t know I will.
Yes, the fillers…. we thought that all along….I am beinning to believe that there must have been something with the Remeron that caused it….I didn’t believe that at first… Than I go to the west of the Netherlands(Amsterdam, to my own people) and I will ask them If they want to help me. If you could see me now how my chest look it is dirthy. I need to use bandage for my clothes.
Poor soul…..*&^$%# !! To the AMC, Diana? I am all for it and always have been. I am very disappointed in the Groningen hospital. You have every reason to be *very angry* now, IMO. Love Diana.
Philip
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rosacea*
rarely affects large areas of the body-it can but usually doesn’t-if other docs see this inflamation and conclude it isn’t rosacea then why does one claim it is? If one is allergic to remeron or whatever fillers are in it or one has a dermotological sensitivity to one class of drugs they wouldn’t to all-unless they have a very serious problem like a type 1 ige reaction or a type 2 cytotoxic one or type 3 complex reactions-the only way to determine this is by examination and testing-all I can say is in 25 years I have had clients who are allergic to one specific med or class but not to all according to my wife oral meds are used for the best treatment of rosacea and one is the antibiotic tetracycline with oral flagyl (her antifungal cream in oral form) topicaly or oraly administered retinoids for some forms and there are two new meds on the market here which I am not familiar with-my rotation in dermo was brief and rosacea was only covered in text not in person and back then the treatment was wrong anyway. I have not seen anything like this so a much more thorough exam by a dermo and or an allergist is called for with lots of blood work to see if it is something much more sinister -bottom line if drugs are not feasible then rigorous therapy is but there are so many meds that I cannot believe one cannotbe found that helps even if it is not revelatory-remeron is a good drug for depression-if it worked then similar mechanisms of action can be replecated with others-or treatment can resume with it once the etiology of her rash is determined and that should be the primary goal LM
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Topical metronidazole, in either 0.75% gel twice daily or 1% cream once daily, is the topical treatment of choice for Rosacea. Chip I’ll have you talk to my wife she’s a dermotologist and insists it isn’t except in textbooks LM
Dermatol Clin 2000 Jan;18(1):63-71, viii Acne and rosacea. New and emerging therapies. Thiboutot DM Section of Dermatology, Pennsylvania State University, College The goal of this article is to highlight recent developments in the treatment of acne and rosacea. An update on the use of isotretinoin, minocycline, topical retinoids, and hormones in the treatment of acne are presented. Highlights of research findings that may lead to future acne therapies are discussed. **New in the management of rosacea are studies demonstrating the efficacy of 1% topical metronidazole in the treatment of rosacea, reports on the successful maintenance of remissions of rosacea with 0.75% metronidazole gel**, and data regarding the controversial association of rosacea with Helicobacter pylori infection. Before you buy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Metronidazole well in that case if this is rosacea topical antifungals can make it worse in some cases and cause some eruptive dermatosis-so Diana may just be highly allergenic and skin sensitive-the tetracycline orally may help in a few days but this had best be looked at by a dermo-one can also absorb this stuff through the skin and its effects seen elsewhere if hypersensitive to it LM The peculiar thing is that Diana (hi, Diana, we’re talking *about* you! Sshtt! *We* are talking *about* you )) had been on several AD’s and benzos for years without any skin problem. Then she was goven remeron which was the first med that actually worked for her and gave her her life back and then she had to stop taking it because it caused this rash. So far so good. But from then on every med
How do you know Remeron caused the rash? she took caused the same rash. So we thought maybe it’s the fillers and Diana
Perhaps Diana has a chronic skin condition unrelated to the meds she has taken. tried liquid Prozac (is that right, Diana or is *benzobrain* here confusing his meds?) with *no* fillers and still got the rash. Also now on Valium. What in the
That supports the notion that her rash is not caused by her meds or by their fillers. world can have caused this? It seems like *something* in the Remeron. But what?
I would not assume (based on what I know of the facts) that her rash is caused by Remeron. Or by any of the meds she has taken. And how? And why? And how to go on? Now there was this dermatologist at Groningen university clinic who diagnosed her with *rosacea* but it’s not in her face, but on her chest….3 GP’s say the diagnosis is incorrect. Even if it was correct the wrong med was prescribed….
To the best of my knowledge, rosacea occurs *only* on the face. Perhaps Diana has two types of rashes: Rosacea on her face, and another type of rash on her chest. I’ve seen patients with 3 or 4 different types of rashes on various parts of their body all at the same time. What a mess…. there should be a clear step by step plan for a *complete* examination of Diana’s blood and someone should look more closely into the Remeron connection. I’ve never heard of something like this before, have you, Margrove? Chip?
I wonder if Diana saw a med student or resident at the University she went to. And not a full blown dermatolgist. I think it’s a good idea if Diana went to the AMC, the Amsyterdam University clinic. But wouldn’t it be best if she could write down *exactly* what to ask and
No. She should say she’s depressed, anxious, and has a rash and wants diagnoses and treatment for them. Let the doctors think of the appropriate questions to ask Diana. what to have done? This has to be treated and fast and good. She shouldn’t have to suffer like this for so long at the hands of all sorts of incompetent doctors. Help. Philip
That Amsterdam University Clinic sounds like a good bet. She should see a generalist (i.e. GP, Family Practioner, or Internest) first for evaluation, and he can make appropriate referrals for psych and derm if necessary. Chip Before you buy.
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The rash on my body wors than before. I was in the university clinic and she give me Elyzol 1%, but that is now the trouble. This morning I was to my GP and they are there with 3GP’s. I have show them wat this med; do to me. it eat’s my skin away. the liquid flow out of my skin, and the most where I have it ,is on my chest. My own GP ask the other 2 if they want to look at it, and both they say she in the university has it wrong. This can’t be Rosacea, so I go tomorrow to a other hopital for a blood test. He give me now Tetracycline caps 250mg because it is now inflamed, I have to take that for 14 day’s and than he will see it again, if I would not have trouble with any side effect’s than I have to come sooner. Not only my own GP was angry but also the other 2GP’s. I have told them that I had to take the last days more valium than I normel do because this is not one of my best time. They are also the meaning that it has to do something with the fillers in the med; that I have used the last 2 years. so if thid bring me nothing I wil ask my Pdoc when I see him(jan9) what I can do and if he don’t know I will. Than I go to the west of the Netherlands(Amsterdam, to my own people) and I will ask them If they want to help me. If you could see me now how my chest look it is dirthy. I need to use bandage for my clothes. Love Diana.
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Elyzol 1%
I don’t know what this is-what is the chemical name on the tube??? Get over to a dermotologist or an allergist for them to see what kind of rash this is-there are many quite serious autoimmune problems this could be-most serious cases of rosacea cannot be treated topicaly especialy if the area effected is large-which is why I made mention of topical preperations of weak antibiotics as not used unless the condition is basicaly on your nose and mild-If it is not rosacea you may need some oral steroids and some oral antihistamines-If you go to a doc and they are unsure what you have if they can log onto the web they can take a digital picture and e-mail it to any one of a dozen very qualified dermotology departments at major teaching hospitals in the U.S. or Europe-this has gone on so long it is a crime-If the sores are oozing let them it is suppossed to as the tissue underneath is trying to stay sterile and heal-think of it as burns and keep the dressings clean and changed often-don’t use things like vaseline or aloe until you get an accurate diagnosis. Please do this now and don’t wait-It may be something just annoying or it may be serious-let me know what the chemical name of the cream or lotion is I cannot find it on my database of cross referenced drugs. LM
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The rash on my body wors than before. I was in the university clinic and she give me Elyzol 1%, but that is now the trouble. This morning I was to my GP and they are there with 3GP’s. I have show them wat this med; do to me. it eat’s my skin away. the liquid flow out of my skin, and the most where I have it ,is on my chest. My own GP ask the other 2 if they want to look at it, and both they say she in the university has it wrong. This can’t be Rosacea, so I go tomorrow to a other hopital for a blood test. He give me now Tetracycline caps 250mg because it is now inflamed, I have to take that for 14 day’s and than he will see it again, if I would not have trouble with any side effect’s than I have to come sooner. Not only my own GP was angry but also the other 2GP’s. I have told them that I had to take the last days more valium than I normel do because this is not one of my best time. They are also the meaning that it has to do something with the fillers in the med; that I have used the last 2 years. so if thid bring me nothing I wil ask my Pdoc when I see him(jan9) what I can do and if he don’t know I will. Than I go to the west of the Netherlands(Amsterdam, to my own people) and I will ask them If they want to help me. If you could see me now how my chest look it is dirthy. I need to use bandage for my clothes. Love Diana.
In dutch,sorry Diana, Willem heeft een tijd geleden een hele vreemde uitslag gehad De huidartsen hier wisten absoluut geen raad met het hele geval. Gelukkig hebben ze hem doorgestuurd naar Nijmegen,naar een zekere dokter Steensel. Deze zag bijna meteen wat het was. Een ziekte die bijna niet voorkomt,de ziekte van yesner. Hij is nu genezen. Wat ik bedoel is niet dat jij dat hebt,maar dat je een heeeeeeeeeeele goede huidarts moet zoeken. Misschien moet je inderdaad overwegen zo snel mogelijk naar Amsterdam te gaan. Zet maar druk op je huisarts. Het is helemaal nergens voor nodig dat alles zo akelig moet gaan voor jou!!!! Dag Lieverd laat van je horen Anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Margrove asked: I don’t know what this is-what is the chemical name on the tube???
From what I can tell, and it was hard because everything is written in Dutch, Metronidazole is the generic name for Elyzol. This has alot of info: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/metronid.htm Metronidazole Categories: Abscess, Abdominal; Abscess, Hepatic; Abscess, Lung; Abscess, Pulmonary; Amebiasis; Endocarditis; Endometritis; Helicobacter Pylori; Infection, Bone; Infection, Gynecologic; Infection, Intra-abdominal; Infection, Joint; Infection, Local; Infection, Respiratory Tract; Infection, Skin; Meningitis; Peritonitis; Pneumonia; Prophylaxis, Perioperative; Septicemia; Sexually Transmitted Diseases; Trichomoniasis; Vaginosis, Bacterial; Pregnancy Category B; FDA Approved 1980 Feb; WHO Formulary; Orphan Drugs FDA Drug Class: Antibacterials, Miscellaneous; Antidiarrheals; Antiprotozoals; Dermatologics; Disorders, Acid/Peptic; Gastrointestinal, Miscellaneous; Tetracyclines Brand Names: Acromona; Amibazol; Amiyodazol; Anaerobex; Anerobia; Apo-Metronidazole; Arcazol; Arilin; Ariline; Asiazole; Asuzol; Camezol; Clont; Fladex; Flagenase; Flagyl; Flagyl 375; Flasinyl; Fossyol; Frotin; Fulikan; Fuzuzin; Klion; Medai; Melis; Metarsal; Metizol; Metro IV; Metrocream; Metrogel; Metrogyl; Metrolag; Metrolex; Metromidol; Metronidazole IV; Metronidazol McKesson; Metroxyn; Metroxyn 500; Metrozin; Metrozine; Metrozole; Metryl; Nalox; Nida; Nitrozol; Noritate; Norstene; Novazole; Novonidazole; Protostat; Rozagel; Rozex; Rozex Gel; Satric; Servizol; Servizole; Supplin; Takimetol; Trichex; Trichozole; Tricowas B; Tricowas-B; Trikacide; Trofonil; Vaginyl; Vagitrix; Vagyl; Zadstat (Foreign brand names outside U.S. in italics) Jackie
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I also wonder about the irregular sleep I had then. I had a rough pregnancy anyway, Chris’s migraines were fairly bad (he’s 4 years 4 days older than his sister), and I had some pretty hefty money worries while pregnant. Sleep irregularities can trigger mine and if they continue for long enough, can cause a horrible pain cycle for me. Georgia Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser. 
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