Question:
Kristen, You can pass herpes even if there are no signs or symptoms. Angela www.yoshi2me.com
Response:
Yeah, we know how it sucks sometimes. :) By the way, LOTS of doctors tell patients that they can’t pass herpes unless they are having an outbreaks. Doctors are part of our problem. They spread a lot of misinformation.
Here in the UK we have special GU medicine clinics for STD problems etc. Two doctors I saw there said there was little chance of spreading HSV-1 (genital) to someone without an outbreak (or 2 weeks after and outbreak). And they’re supposed to be specialists?! So who’s right?
Response:
…Not sure if this has been asnswered, but if someone has no outbreaks, but has herpes, do they have to have an outbreak to spread it?
Nope they do not. Asymptomatic spreading is well established, well known and probably one of the major sources of spreading of HSV of either type. Go to www.pubmed.com Use Asymptomatic shedding HSV as the keywords and see the slew of data come out. Tim — When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568
Response:
Two doctors I saw there said there was little chance of spreading HSV-1 (genital) to someone without an outbreak (or 2 weeks after and outbreak). And they’re supposed to be specialists?! So who’s right?
Your 2 docs statement sounds accurate to me but it depends on your definition of "little" I suppose. If they’d said "no chance", then your two docs would be wrong. Genital HSV1 spreads at a lower rate than HSV2. And even the HSV2 risk is down in the 1%-10% range depending on a few dozen individual factors. Soooo … is that a lot? or a little? <shrug I dunno. Just knowing it’s possible at *all* is enough to freak some people out. Anyhow, sounds more like a communication/interpretation prob to me rather than a right/wrong thing. M2
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, we know how it sucks sometimes. :) By the way, LOTS of doctors tell patients that they can’t pass herpes unless they are having an outbreaks. Doctors are part of our problem. They spread a lot of misinformation. Here in the UK we have special GU medicine clinics for STD problems etc. Two doctors I saw there said there was little chance of spreading HSV-1 (genital) to someone without an outbreak (or 2 weeks after and outbreak). And they’re supposed to be specialists?! So who’s right?
Little chance does NOT equate to no chance and they are dealing with a subset as well so the two statements are apples and oranges to an extent and don’t actually contradict here.. Little chance is actually a reasonable description though on its own loses a LOT of context, as the individual risk numbers are small, particularly if you are talking to a man and doesn’t go into poopulation and time related issues. Many people WILL equate the two and frankly its small mental leaps like this are one of the hardest issues to deal with translating scientific information where small differences in terms make a huge difference to layterms where similar terms are effectively viewed as the same. Whenever I hear statements like this I always ask ‘Were those the EXACT words’ and ‘What else was said’. Adding those bits in can make a huge difference but often people will pick up just certain tidbits. However the doc does need to try and be sure the entire picture goes over. Tim — When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568
Response:
thanks.. ….my ex said he ‘talked’ to his doc and he said he couldn’t of spread herpes… has no outbreak, therefore, no herpes… He lied and is in denial. He told me no more phone calls, so I gues its up to him…I hope he is MORE honest to his girlfriend than he was with me, then again, he thinks you have to have an outbreak to have herpes. I know the facts and feel better knowing what you said. You reassured my knowledge. Just sucks having this somedays….:(
Response:
Yeah, we know how it sucks sometimes. :) By the way, LOTS of doctors tell patients that they can’t pass herpes unless they are having an outbreaks. Doctors are part of our problem. They spread a lot of misinformation. ar thanks.. ….my ex said he ‘talked’ to his doc and he said he couldn’t of spread herpes… has no outbreak, therefore, no herpes… He lied and is in denial. He told me no more phone calls, so I gues its up to him…I hope he is MORE honest to his girlfriend than he was with me, then again, he thinks you have to have an outbreak to have herpes. I know the facts and feel better knowing what you said. You reassured my knowledge. Just sucks having this somedays….:(
Response:
…Not sure if this has been asnswered, but if someone has no outbreaks, but has herpes, do they have to have an outbreak to spread it? My ex is in denial on the subject.
Response:
You can spread herpes through asymptomatic shedding. That means that the virus becomes active and comes to the surface of the skin but it isn’t enough virus to create an active outbreak. But the person is still contagious. When people think that you can’t spread herpes unless there is an active outbreak, I just have to ask…how do they think most of us got it? Do they think we would knowingly have sex with someone who is actively having an outbreak??? ar …Not sure if this has been asnswered, but if someone has no outbreaks, but has herpes, do they have to have an outbreak to spread it? My ex is in denial on the subject.
Response:
…Not sure if this has been asnswered, but if someone has no outbreaks, but has herpes, do they have to have an outbreak to spread it? My ex is in denial on the subject.
Nope. Most transferring is probably done when no symptoms are present. It’s that thing called asymptomatic shedding, times when the virus is active and presenting itself on the skin surface, but there is no visible outbreak. Asymptomatic shedding is estimated to occur anywhere from one to five per cent of the days in a year. Most people with herpes are unaware they have it, primarily because they show no symptoms, or have such mild symptoms that they’re mistaken for something else or ignored altogether, but everyone with herpes is capable of spreading the disease, whether they ever have an outbreak or not. Hope that helps and take care, Mike
Response:
On my server, they stick around for a month before going away. However, I have my settings set to only show new messages and to hide read messages. ar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do they just automatically delete themselves after so much time? Thanks! -Angela Hi Angela, To delete messages, you just have to mark them as read. I have a pull down menu for that stuff. Or, I can just hit the "Control – shift – A" keys to mark them as read. ar THANK YOU!!! It’s great to be back!!! 
Please let me know if ya’ll can see this post from me! I figured out my newsgroup stuff through my ISP and I have it set for Outlook Express. This is very new to me. I’m trying to figure out how to delete messages that I’m done looking at . . any clues? {{{HUG}}} Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator Instand Message Name: Yoshi2me OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start Happy Anniversary, sweetie!! It’s good to see you back. ar Which web site do you guys use to post to Uesnet? I am signed up w/Google but they take too long to post the messages, etc. Any suggestions? Oh and . . . is this the same board that everybody posts to? Nice to see ya’ll again! Especially Mr. Guyonphone! Got my first wedding anniversary coming up here in June! What a crazy but happy year it’s been eh? Love, Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start
Response:
Do they just automatically delete themselves after so much time? Thanks! -Angela
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Angela, To delete messages, you just have to mark them as read. I have a pull down menu for that stuff. Or, I can just hit the "Control – shift – A" keys to mark them as read. ar THANK YOU!!! It’s great to be back!!! Please let me know if ya’ll can see this post from me! I figured out my newsgroup stuff through my ISP and I have it set for Outlook Express. This is very new to me. I’m trying to figure out how to delete messages that I’m done looking at . . any clues? {{{HUG}}} Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator Instand Message Name: Yoshi2me OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start Happy Anniversary, sweetie!! It’s good to see you back. ar Which web site do you guys use to post to Uesnet? I am signed up w/Google but they take too long to post the messages, etc. Any suggestions? Oh and . . . is this the same board that everybody posts to? Nice to see ya’ll again! Especially Mr. Guyonphone! Got my first wedding anniversary coming up here in June! What a crazy but happy year it’s been eh? Love, Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start
Response:
Hi Angela, To delete messages, you just have to mark them as read. I have a pull down menu for that stuff. Or, I can just hit the "Control – shift – A" keys to mark them as read. ar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – THANK YOU!!! It’s great to be back!!! Please let me know if ya’ll can see this post from me! I figured out my newsgroup stuff through my ISP and I have it set for Outlook Express. This is very new to me. I’m trying to figure out how to delete messages that I’m done looking at . . any clues? {{{HUG}}} Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator Instand Message Name: Yoshi2me OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start Happy Anniversary, sweetie!! It’s good to see you back. ar Which web site do you guys use to post to Uesnet? I am signed up w/Google but they take too long to post the messages, etc. Any suggestions? Oh and . . . is this the same board that everybody posts to? Nice to see ya’ll again! Especially Mr. Guyonphone! Got my first wedding anniversary coming up here in June! What a crazy but happy year it’s been eh? Love, Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start
Response:
Hey Mr. I-Got-Married In 2/02/2002 at 2:00 PM!!!! Long time no hear!!! It was good to see you online again tonight! Tell me more about your new biz! I’m excited for you. What does it mean to have your own server? Gosh Ron . . . good luck with your new thing you got going! Tell Bonnie I said hello and that I would like to see some wedding pictures! Your Friend, — Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator Instand Message Name: Yoshi2me OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Yoshi! Good seeing you back here. I still just use aol. May change that in a bit if I start up my own server for biz purposes (and that’s looking likely in the next 6 months or so) so you blaze the trail and I’ll ask you about what you’ve done when *I* need the info. Hang in there -G
Response:
THANK YOU!!! It’s great to be back!!! Please let me know if ya’ll can see this post from me! I figured out my newsgroup stuff through my ISP and I have it set for Outlook Express. This is very new to me. I’m trying to figure out how to delete messages that I’m done looking at . . any clues? {{{HUG}}} Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator Instand Message Name: Yoshi2me OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Happy Anniversary, sweetie!! It’s good to see you back. ar Which web site do you guys use to post to Uesnet? I am signed up w/Google but they take too long to post the messages, etc. Any suggestions? Oh and . . . is this the same board that everybody posts to? Nice to see ya’ll again! Especially Mr. Guyonphone! Got my first wedding anniversary coming up here in June! What a crazy but happy year it’s been eh? Love, Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start
Response:
Nice to see ya’ll again! Especially Mr. Guyonphone! Got my first wedding anniversary coming up here in June! What a crazy but happy year it’s been eh?
Oh! Forgot to mention … Mr and Mrs Guyonphone have their first anniversary coming up also! (in about 10 months 
Yep. They bit the bullet too. Did you hear about that? M2
Response:
Hey Yoshi! Good seeing you back here. I still just use aol. May change that in a bit if I start up my own server for biz purposes (and that’s looking likely in the next 6 months or so) so you blaze the trail and I’ll ask you about what you’ve done when *I* need the info. Hang in there -G
Response:
Happy Anniversary, sweetie!! It’s good to see you back. ar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which web site do you guys use to post to Uesnet? I am signed up w/Google but they take too long to post the messages, etc. Any suggestions? Oh and . . . is this the same board that everybody posts to? Nice to see ya’ll again! Especially Mr. Guyonphone! Got my first wedding anniversary coming up here in June! What a crazy but happy year it’s been eh? Love, Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start
Response:
Which web site do you guys use to post to Uesnet? I am signed up w/Google but they take too long to post the messages, etc.
I haven’t noticed very many using the web to post here. Most of us post directly to usenet with a newreader or through AOL (which uses it’s own version of a newsreader). A few use Webtv, and a few use Google. That’s about it. Any suggestions?
Yeah girlie! Get a newsreader. (Haven’t I suggested that a few dozen time before? LOL!) FreeAgent is a good one (cheap too!). Takes a little getting used to but once you get the hang of it, it beats anything using html. Especially if you’re using a modem. (but IIRC, don’t you have DSL?) Anyway, if you read much usenet, I’d suggest using a newsreader. Oh and . . . is this the same board that everybody posts to?
You got it kidd’o! Dis here’s da place. You’re home again LOL! ;-) Welcome back, M2
Response:
Which web site do you guys use to post to Uesnet? I am signed up w/Google but they take too long to post the messages, etc. Any suggestions? Oh and . . . is this the same board that everybody posts to? Nice to see ya’ll again! Especially Mr. Guyonphone! Got my first wedding anniversary coming up here in June! What a crazy but happy year it’s been eh? Love, Angela Llewellyn Stevens OmahaHELP Facilitator OmahaHELP Home Page: http://members.cox.net/yoshi2me/OmahaHELP/OmahaHELPx.html Omaha437737 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Omaha437737/ 437737 On Delphi Forums: http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forum437737/start
Response:
My doctor found one sore on me and decided to take a herpes test. It came back negative. Even though it came back negative, is it possible it was still herpes? I can’t figure out what else it could have been. I know I should have asked him, but I didn’t think of it at the time. Thanx…
Response:
My doctor found one sore on me and decided to take a herpes test. It came back negative. Even though it came back negative, is it possible it was still herpes? I can’t figure out what else it could have been. I know I should have asked him, but I didn’t think of it at the time. Thanx…
If your doctor did a viral culture, then yes it could come back negative and you may still have herpes. Viral cultures have a 50% false negative rate. You should also have a blood test to be sure.
Response:
Hi Imzad, It is possible for this to happen. There are many false negatives out there. I suggest that you have a Western Blot test and if you cna’t get that to have an Elysa blood test. Sometimes it is too late to do a culture as there is not enough active culture. Love, Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.support.herpes Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com My doctor found one sore on me and decided to take a herpes test. It came back negative. Even though it came back negative, is it possible it was still herpes? I can’t figure out what else it could have been. I know I should have asked him, but I didn’t think of it at the time. Thanx…
Response:
Hello Imzadi625! Like the others already said, yes it is very possible to get a false negative for several reasons….not enough virus left in the sore to ‘grow’, mishandling by dr., lab, mail, etc. You can either wait 12-16 wks. after you had the sore and have a blood test or, if you get another before then, go IMMEDIATELY to dr. and get it cultured! Of course, you could still get another negative, and then you’d be back to waiting to get the bloodtest. Good luck! K
Response:
I was browsing the web about sores on your genitals, and found this… see, I have a 1 little sore above my testicles, and I don’t know what to think, it hasn’t been through the stages I read about on WebMD with the scabbing and all, and it has been there for about 6 months, which is pretty long, I have never had sex, although I have um, given (what would they call it) finger jobs to women…. so am I just overworried, or do I acutally have it (I can post a link to a picture if it would help). I am not really in a position right now where I can freely go ask my doctor, without numerous people freaking out. So I thought I would go on here first. Thanks everyone, send me an email back! Dan
Response:
Okay, I think I’m in a similar situation as I can’t get to a decent doctor either. Firstly remember that no one can tell over the internet, but we’ll help out if we can. Where are you (country/state will do!) I’ve read somewhere that you can get the test over the internet…. Is it possible for you to go to another town to see a doctor there? Or the clinic there maybe? You say it’s been there for 6 months. Continuously? Without changing? What was there before? From the information I have (weeks worth of surfing and 6 doctors) it appears that ANY condition with the skin on your genitals results in sores, so bare that in mind. On the flip side also bare in mind that the symptoms for HSV can be pretty much anything, including no symptoms at all. If you want to post that picture go ahead, it can only help. If your really stressing out email it to me and I’ll give you my very un-professional and un-trained and un-experienced opinion. All the best. GET THAT BLOOD TEST ANY WAY YOU CAN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE Adam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: alt.support.herpes Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:10 PM I was browsing the web about sores on your genitals, and found this… see, I have a 1 little sore above my testicles, and I don’t know what to think, it hasn’t been through the stages I read about on WebMD with the scabbing and all, and it has been there for about 6 months, which is pretty long, I have never had sex, although I have um, given (what would they call it) finger jobs to women…. so am I just overworried, or do I acutally have it (I can post a link to a picture if it would help). I am not really in a position right now where I can freely go ask my doctor, without numerous people freaking out. So I thought I would go on here first. Thanks everyone, send me an email back! Dan
Response:
Yes, than you, Allan. If I weren’t so damn lazy I could’ve looked it up in my medical dictionary…thanks for doing the work for me! HUG, April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is probably a stupid and unrelated question, but which is the trigeminal nerve? HUG, April April as far as I know the only stupid question is the one unask. I would also like to know about trigeminal nerve? Z The trigeminal nerves (there are two, one on each side) feed from the spine to the face, arms, etc. I missed the original question, but might guess that someone was talking about the trigeminal ganglion which is where herpes usually hides in the upper body – ie coldsores etc. The trigeminal ganglion is a a bit like a switch box of nerves near the spine. struggling to remember my anatomy courses, Allan Thanks now I know.
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is probably a stupid and unrelated question, but which is the trigeminal nerve? HUG, April April as far as I know the only stupid question is the one unask. I would also like to know about trigeminal nerve? Z The trigeminal nerves (there are two, one on each side) feed from the spine to the face, arms, etc. I missed the original question, but might guess that someone was talking about the trigeminal ganglion which is where herpes usually hides in the upper body – ie coldsores etc. The trigeminal ganglion is a a bit like a switch box of nerves near the spine. struggling to remember my anatomy courses, Allan
Thanks now I know.
Response:
I take it you’re responding to my query about the Trigeminal nerve??? Thank you; I really should know that…and now I do. Wanna see how fadst I can forget it???? Oy vey, where’s my ginko???? HUG, April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This nerve is the one that is the center for oral herpes. It covers the area in front of the ear, down the cheek, and the chin/lips area. It originates (as all nerves do) at the spine. HSV1 (or 2 in the oral region) occupies this nerve. symptoms can spread to the back of the head, shoulder and neck area. Glands can swell on the back of the head, neck, though mine have never done so with associated cold sore. I have a friend who breaks out in front of her ear and her whole neck/head/shoulder on that side get very sore and irritable.
Response:
dont know the question but the trigeminal nerve is the largest of the cranial nerves. It connects to three areas of the brain and has motor and sensory functions. Its essential for chewing and general sensation in the face. The first branch is associated with around the eyes and over the forehead. The second branch is upper lip nose and cheek and the third is lower lip and side of tongue. Thus why HSV travels all over depending on the nerve path it chooses each trip to the surface.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is probably a stupid and unrelated question, but which is the trigeminal nerve? HUG, April April as far as I know the only stupid question is the one unask. I would also like to know about trigeminal nerve? Z The trigeminal nerves (there are two, one on each side) feed from the spine to the face, arms, etc. I missed the original question, but might guess that someone was talking about the trigeminal ganglion which is where herpes usually hides in the upper body – ie coldsores etc. The trigeminal ganglion is a a bit like a switch box of nerves near the spine. struggling to remember my anatomy courses, Allan
Response:
This is probably a stupid and unrelated question, but which is the trigeminal nerve? HUG, April
April as far as I know the only stupid question is the one unask. I would also like to know about trigeminal nerve? Z
Response:
This nerve is the one that is the center for oral herpes. It covers the area in front of the ear, down the cheek, and the chin/lips area. It originates (as all nerves do) at the spine. HSV1 (or 2 in the oral region) occupies this nerve. symptoms can spread to the back of the head, shoulder and neck area. Glands can swell on the back of the head, neck, though mine have never done so with associated cold sore. I have a friend who breaks out in front of her ear and her whole neck/head/shoulder on that side get very sore and irritable.
Response:
This is probably a stupid and unrelated question, but which is the trigeminal nerve? HUG, April April as far as I know the only stupid question is the one unask. I would also like to know about trigeminal nerve? Z
The trigeminal nerves (there are two, one on each side) feed from the spine to the face, arms, etc. I missed the original question, but might guess that someone was talking about the trigeminal ganglion which is where herpes usually hides in the upper body – ie coldsores etc. The trigeminal ganglion is a a bit like a switch box of nerves near the spine. struggling to remember my anatomy courses, Allan
Response:
The first year after diagnosis, I also had systemic reactions to herpes: pain and tingling all over my body, which subsided after a day or two after taking Famvir (the strongest of the HSV antivirals). Now, things are much better and herpes seems not to affect me anymore. I’m taking a bunch of vitamins and garlic, too. Has your doctor sent a mucus sample to the lab ? You could have caught a flu or something like that, which in turn can cause a herpes outbreak, and a weakening of your immune system. In either case, it is a good idea to take antivirals if you suspect you’re sick and have an outbreak at the same time. There are a bunch of articles about BP (you mentioned that in a separate email) — search for Bells Palsy on metacrawler.com. You’re in good shape if you recovered in a month. Take care. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder if anybody experienced what I am going through. I was diagnosed with H couple of months ago and do not use supressing medication. I had severe pain under my left shoulder for 3 weeks accompanied by some numbness in left legs and arms. The pain went away a few days ago, but now I am having strong mucus deep down in my throat. I do not have pain in my throat. Strangely it is solely mucus coming out of nowhere. I do not wish this to anybody. It’s so sticky and firm that it is almost impossible to get out. Went to an ent specialist but the medication he put me on to relieve my mucus does not work. Now since I feel a familiar tingling on the left side of my face I am wondering whether all this may be related to Herpes and if so, will suppressing med. like Zovirax and others help me? Keep up the good spirit, Horst
Response:
Interesting that I should read this now. I just finished reading an article in the newspaper stating that the exact cause of Bell’s Palsy is unknown, but they suspect it is associated with a herpes virus. Now, with my trigeminal nerve acting up, I’m really getting nervous Barb
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pauly, What is Bonet? I would like to see that information. What you found is interesting because I actually had Bells Palsy one year ago and I have strong reason to believe that the Herpes virus was responsible for that. Medicine does not know the real cause for BP but there is rumour to it. Fortunately the paralysis on the left side of my face cleared up after a (terrible) month or so. All my herpes systems have happened to be on the left side of my body, my BP side: tingling on my face, pain in shoulder, little itching "spider-bite" spots on hand. One year ago I was a permanent visitor of the BP forum on the net which was incredible supportive, now I am on the other side of te boat… —–Original Message—– Hi Horst. I just did a quick check on Bonet for your symtoms. They di dpartially match up with bell’s palsey, but there are ususally other symptoms such as partial paralysis of the face. I do not think your symptoms could be related to Herpes, but it is possible. Have you had them before when you had an outbreak? Otherwise, keep a journal to see what symptoms ARE associated with your Herpes and Prodromal symptoms as well. Other that that advice, I am not a Health care professional, I have no idea what your symptoms mean, but it is one place to look if the tingling, pain and numbness persists. If they do persist, see your Doc. Pauly
Response:
This is probably a stupid and unrelated question, but which is the trigeminal nerve? HUG, April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting that I should read this now. I just finished reading an article in the newspaper stating that the exact cause of Bell’s Palsy is unknown, but they suspect it is associated with a herpes virus. Now, with my trigeminal nerve acting up, I’m really getting nervous Barb Pauly, What is Bonet? I would like to see that information. What you found is interesting because I actually had Bells Palsy one year ago and I have strong reason to believe that the Herpes virus was responsible for that. Medicine does not know the real cause for BP but there is rumour to it. Fortunately the paralysis on the left side of my face cleared up after a (terrible) month or so. All my herpes systems have happened to be on the left side of my body, my BP side: tingling on my face, pain in shoulder, little itching "spider-bite" spots on hand. One year ago I was a permanent visitor of the BP forum on the net which was incredible supportive, now I am on the other side of te boat… —–Original Message—– Hi Horst. I just did a quick check on Bonet for your symtoms. They di dpartially match up with bell’s palsey, but there are ususally other symptoms such as partial paralysis of the face. I do not think your symptoms could be related to Herpes, but it is possible. Have you had them before when you had an outbreak? Otherwise, keep a journal to see what symptoms ARE associated with your Herpes and Prodromal symptoms as well. Other that that advice, I am not a Health care professional, I have no idea what your symptoms mean, but it is one place to look if the tingling, pain and numbness persists. If they do persist, see your Doc. Pauly
Response:
Something Evelyn said made me recall that every time I have had anything really upseting happen in my life I have gotten sick shortly thereafter and I am usually healthy as a "horse"(private joke–see ther post)) I was diagnosed recently and got very sick along with the lession. I also got sick again probably before I could get better entirely when my pap came back abnormal. This *could* just be related to the stress on your part too, or maybe it’s more to this disease we just don’t understand, but it seems everyone here had some addditional little quirk to go along with their Herpes onset. Maybe–a thought—–If we are disposed to something else already and our imune system is busy with this our weaknesses are more vulnerable to other things coming along with it. Did that make sense? Wondering too Mary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I wonder if anybody experienced what I am going through. I was diagnosed with H couple of months ago and do not use supressing medication. I had severe pain under my left shoulder for 3 weeks accompanied by some numbness in left legs and arms. The pain went away a few days ago, but now I am having strong mucus deep down in my throat. I do not have pain in my throat. Strangely it is solely mucus coming out of nowhere. I do not wish this to anybody. It’s so sticky and firm that it is almost impossible to get out. Went to an ent specialist but the medication he put me on to relieve my mucus does not work. Now since I feel a familiar tingling on the left side of my face I am wondering whether all this may be related to Herpes and if so, will suppressing med. like Zovirax and others help me? Keep up the good spirit, Horst Dear Horst, I also have experienced the heavy mucus in the throat problem, but I never associated it with H. I assumed it was part of my longtime problems with my sinuses. The thing that helped me the best was drinking very large amounts of water, which thinned the mucus out quite a lot. I would bet that since you also have no pain in your throat, only the thick mucus, that you probably have a sinus infection and don’t know it. There are many other posters here, and they will surely be able to advise you about suppressive medications. The best, as I hear it, is Famvir. Keep reading and posting here. The people here are supportive and kind and many are very knowledgeable also. Regards, Evelyn </PRE</HTML
Response:
As I said luckily I recovered from BP after a month or so. (It’s easy to tell because you are able to smile again without looking like a freak) You guys are really terrific. Thanks for all your support. Let’s don’t give up hope and medicine will come up with cures for HSV, HIV and all that crap. -Horst
Response:
Pauly, What is Bonet? I would like to see that information.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Pubmed. http://www.medscape.com http://www.ibionet.com/ Hi Horst, Bionet is the last site in the list. It is a way to give your Doc a list of your symptoms and have some possible diagnosis to be looking at. What you found is interesting because I actually had Bells Palsy one year ago and I have strong reason to believe that the Herpes virus was responsible for that. Medicine does not know the real cause for BP but there is rumour to it. Fortunately the paralysis on the left side of my face cleared up after a (terrible) month or so. All my herpes systems have happened to be on the left side of my body, my BP side: tingling on my face, pain in shoulder, little itching "spider-bite" spots on hand.
Actually, the symptoms that you had, except for the spider spots, all came up Bell’s Palsy. Did your Doc not tell you to that you could have a flare up. It may well be that your body is weakened and you are not fully recovered and that your immune system is being taxed by both Herpes and Bell’s palsy. A nutritionist might be able to help you get healthier. I put Bells’ Palsy into medscape and came up with over a thousand hits. Although Herpes Zoster, EB and HSV are implicated infections in some of the cases, Lyme and many other infections are also causes and some are unknown. As MaryG so aptly put it, your immune system may just be severely taxed. One year ago I was a permanent visitor of the BP forum on the net which was incredible supportive, now I am on the other side of te boat…
I am glad you are helping those who need it in the BP forum. I wish I could be more help to you. Good luck in overcoming your problems. Pauly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– Hi Horst. I just did a quick check on Bonet for your symtoms. They di dpartially match up with bell’s palsey, but there are ususally other symptoms such as partial paralysis of the face. I do not think your symptoms could be related to Herpes, but it is possible. Have you had them before when you had an outbreak? Otherwise, keep a journal to see what symptoms ARE associated with your Herpes and Prodromal symptoms as well. Other that that advice, I am not a Health care professional, I have no idea what your symptoms mean, but it is one place to look if the tingling, pain and numbness persists. If they do persist, see your Doc. Pauly
Response:
Pauly, What is Bonet? I would like to see that information. What you found is interesting because I actually had Bells Palsy one year ago and I have strong reason to believe that the Herpes virus was responsible for that. Medicine does not know the real cause for BP but there is rumour to it. Fortunately the paralysis on the left side of my face cleared up after a (terrible) month or so. All my herpes systems have happened to be on the left side of my body, my BP side: tingling on my face, pain in shoulder, little itching "spider-bite" spots on hand. One year ago I was a permanent visitor of the BP forum on the net which was incredible supportive, now I am on the other side of te boat… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ——Original Message—– Hi Horst. I just did a quick check on Bonet for your symtoms. They di dpartially match up with bell’s palsey, but there are ususally other symptoms such as partial paralysis of the face. I do not think your symptoms could be related to Herpes, but it is possible. Have you had them before when you had an outbreak? Otherwise, keep a journal to see what symptoms ARE associated with your Herpes and Prodromal symptoms as well. Other that that advice, I am not a Health care professional, I have no idea what your symptoms mean, but it is one place to look if the tingling, pain and numbness persists. If they do persist, see your Doc. Pauly
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder if anybody experienced what I am going through. I was diagnosed with H couple of months ago and do not use supressing medication. I had severe pain under my left shoulder for 3 weeks accompanied by some numbness in left legs and arms. The pain went away a few days ago, but now I am having strong mucus deep down in my throat. I do not have pain in my throat. Strangely it is solely mucus coming out of nowhere. I do not wish this to anybody. It’s so sticky and firm that it is almost impossible to get out. Went to an ent specialist but the medication he put me on to relieve my mucus does not work. Now since I feel a familiar tingling on the left side of my face I am wondering whether all this may be related to Herpes and if so, will suppressing med. like Zovirax and others help me? Keep up the good spirit, Horst
Dear Horst, I also have experienced the heavy mucus in the throat problem, but I never associated it with H. I assumed it was part of my longtime problems with my sinuses. The thing that helped me the best was drinking very large amounts of water, which thinned the mucus out quite a lot. I would bet that since you also have no pain in your throat, only the thick mucus, that you probably have a sinus infection and don’t know it. There are many other posters here, and they will surely be able to advise you about suppressive medications. The best, as I hear it, is Famvir. Keep reading and posting here. The people here are supportive and kind and many are very knowledgeable also. Regards, Evelyn
Response:
I wonder if anybody experienced what I am going through. I was diagnosed with H couple of months ago and do not use supressing medication. I had severe pain under my left shoulder for 3 weeks accompanied by some numbness in left legs and arms. The pain went away a few days ago, but now I am having strong mucus deep down in my throat. I do not have pain in my throat. Strangely it is solely mucus coming out of nowhere. I do not wish this to anybody. It’s so sticky and firm that it is almost impossible to get out. Went to an ent specialist but the medication he put me on to relieve my mucus does not work. Now since I feel a familiar tingling on the left side of my face I am wondering whether all this may be related to Herpes and if so, will suppressing med. like Zovirax and others help me? Keep up the good spirit, Horst
Response:
What is herpes as I think I may have it if it is what I think it is cheers
Response:
Herpes is a virus that lives inside the body but comes to surface of the skin in the form of some sort of blister or rash. It is contagious. It is usually found around the mouth (cold sores) or around the genitals. If you think you have herpes, it is important that you see a doctor immediately for diagnosis. ar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is herpes as I think I may have it if it is what I think it is cheers
Response:
(Twr1020538) writes: Q: How long after exposure do symptoms appear? eg, if my partner carries the virus and I don’t how many days (or weeks) will pass before my first symptoms appear if I become infected? I would like to hear both the "theoretical" medical answer as well as people’s experiences.
Couple days later at the earliest, to never. Usually, if you have a primary outbreak, it happens between 2 days and 3 weeks or so… but just because you don’t have an outbreak within that time, doesn’t mean you don’t have herpes. You can be one of the lucky ones that doesn’t experience any outbreaks–or they can start happening years from exposure. Fun, huh? The facts are that 1 in 5 adults already have herpes, but only 1/3 of them (or less) know they have it. The rest just don’t have symptoms, or the symptoms are so easy that they’re thought to be something else. A lot of people are infected by people who don’t know they have herpes to give. Only way to be sure is to either have an outbreak and have it cultured, or take a blood test called the herpes specific Western Blot. You must wait for around 12-16 weeks from exposure before taking the blood test, as it sometimes takes that long to build up the antibodies that the test actually looks for. Having antibodies = having herpes. Good luck! -G
Response:
While I am not an expert in commercial tests, the immunoblot you refer to may be a test recently produced by a company different from the one with the western blot.
Someone mentioned here that he was tested with the immunoblot test at Torrance Memorial Hospital. I spoke with the chief chemist there today and was told that the immunoblot can detect antibodies at lower levels and thus can pick them us sooner than the 12 week period. The test is not performed there (nor is the Western Blot) but is sent out to the specialized regional lab. She gave me a phone number to reach a technical person there. I’ll let you all know if I learn anything else. angele
Response:
Western blot and immunoblot are terms for the same test. Why have a couple of people stated that one has to wait 12 to 14 weeks after an initial infection for detectable antibodies? IgG is produced about 2 weeks after infection. I would think that detectable levels should be readily present within 2 – 4 weeks tops. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your doctor is wrong…you can get a blood test called the Western Blot for Herpes….some docs aren’t aware of it….but you have to wait 12 to 14 weeks after the initial infection so that you have enough antibodies in your blood to show up on the test. The stats say that around 70% of the people who have it, don’t know it because their symptoms are so mild or even non-existent. So it’s possible you have it..and you should take precautions against transmitting it until it’s been confirmed that you don’t have it.
Response:
Western blot and immunoblot are terms for the same test. Why have a couple of people stated that one has to wait 12 to 14 weeks after an initial infection for detectable antibodies? IgG is produced about 2 weeks after infection. I would think that detectable levels should be readily present within 2 – 4 weeks tops.
A quote from http://www.viridae.com/gen3.htm: "People who have type 2 herpes can also be diagnosed by a blood test called the Western blot. This test distinguishes the types. Any other blood test will not do that properly, so people who have every been exposed to cold sores may come up falsely positive by other tests. This test should ideally be performed at least 4 months after the point of possible exposure or infection." I had always heard, to be safe and not waste your money, to wait 12-16 weeks before taking the WB. -G
Response:
Q: How long after exposure do symptoms appear?
From everything I’ve read and heard from others’ experiences, symptoms could show up anywhere from a few days to years after being exposed….or you could be in the group of approx. 70% of the infected population that never develops any symptoms at all, or the symptoms are so mild that they go unnoticed..
Response:
Can you squeeze in one more call to that nice lab doc? Ask the exact name of your test? Was it the GULL ELISA? (I think "GULL" in the name is the name of the actual company that invented and supplies the test). If it is the new GULL ELISA, like I say, it’s said to be as accurate as the WB. It would be nice to know if they’ve released that test–we could all ask for that instead of the WB. Maybe the costs for both will decline if there is competition out there. Hope any of this helps -G
I will try to get a hold of the answer but I can’t guarantee. It would be helpful to know exactly what tests we are talking about. Are these all similar tests with different names or new versions of older tests or completely different tests. I do think that it’s strange that none of the doctors involved called it anything to me but an "immunoblot". There was no mention in any of my paperwork or the lab tech’s that mentioned it either. It’s still possible though. I’ve never heard of Gull either. Has anyone else? —-JP
Response:
I had symptoms a week later. As TC, wrote, it can vary greatly. The doctor who diagnosed me quoted 3 days to two weeks. Again, as TC mentioned, some people never get any symptoms at all. I’ve haven’t made up mind whether I envy those people, or am glad that I knew I had something to pass on. (Of course, when I am having a breakout, I definitely envy them!) Mary
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello to everyone. I’ve been reading often and have learned quite a bit from everyone’s posts. I have a question that I have not seen before (my apologies if it has been answered, but from what I’ve read you all won’t mind helping me out with it even if it has Q: How long after exposure do symptoms appear? eg, if my partner carries the virus and I don’t how many days (or weeks) will pass before my first symptoms appear if I become infected? I would like to hear both the "theoretical" medical answer as well as people’s experiences. Thanks for the info.
Response:
Hello to everyone. I’ve been reading often and have learned quite a bit from everyone’s posts. I have a question that I have not seen before (my apologies if it has been answered, but from what I’ve read you all won’t mind helping me out with it even if it has Q: How long after exposure do symptoms appear? eg, if my partner carries the virus and I don’t how many days (or weeks) will pass before my first symptoms appear if I become infected? I would like to hear both the "theoretical" medical answer as well as people’s experiences. Thanks for the info.
Response:
I knew exactly when I was infected (January 22, 1998 – a day that will live in infamy!) and the first symptoms appeared four days later ("Gee, it hurts when I pee!"). From what I’ve read, 3 to 12 days is the theoretical answer, keeping in mind that some people will show no symptoms at all of being infected. While I was hoping it was just a simple dose of gonorrhea (unlikely, as I was infected during oral sex), 6 days after exposure the first red spots started appearing externally. That’s when I knew this wasn’t going to be a simple penicillin job! Cheers, TC
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello to everyone. I’ve been reading often and have learned quite a bit from everyone’s posts. I have a question that I have not seen before (my apologies if it has been answered, but from what I’ve read you all won’t mind helping me out with it even if it has Q: How long after exposure do symptoms appear? eg, if my partner carries the virus and I don’t how many days (or weeks) will pass before my first symptoms appear if I become infected? I would like to hear both the "theoretical" medical answer as well as people’s experiences. Thanks for the info.
Response:
Perhaps the two sets of antibodies you are thinking of are IgM and IgG. The IgM are produced first within a day or two of exposure and are short lived (not produced very long) while the IgG abs are produced about two weeks following exposure and can be produced for long periods of time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Aren’t there two sets of antibodies for H, that your body produces, one kind that’s like an immediate defense and other long term type antibodies? The test I had done, the "lab" doctor compared it to the Western Blot. But she said it was new, more sensitive, cheaper etc. The paperwork I have does refer to it as the ‘Immunoblot assay" in the paragraph below the tests title line. I’d call her back again but I’m not sure I want to hassle her anymore. She took a lot of time to help. Maybe "Tim" can help out with this? –JP
Response:
I should correct myself. The terms westernblot and immunoblot refer to the same technique. A "western blot" is hybridization of antibodies (serum) to proteins separated by electrophoresis. Ther term immunoblot refers to the same procedure, but perhaps more accurately describes the procedure. The word "western" came about because there was already a "southern blot (DNA)" and "Northern blot (RNA)". The homology between HSV1 and HSV2 is very high so that for all the proteins save one, there is cross-reactivity. ie antibodies to HSV-1 react to HSV-2 proteins and vice-versa. The major exception is a protein called gC which is different enough between the two viruses to avoid cross-reactivity. While I am not an expert in commercial tests, the immunoblot you refer to may be a test recently produced by a company different from the one with the western blot. Frank J. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Western blot and immunoblot are terms for the same test. It’s my understanding that the immunoblot is new, and has not been available until only this year. It is less costly than the Western Blot. Why do you say it’s the same test? angele
Response:
The difference may be that I infer exposure or infection as one in which very distinct clinical lesions are present. In this case, the IgG antibodies should be readily detectable before 4 weeks post-infection (at least that is the case in all other viral infections that I’m aware of and is certainly what we teach our students). The extended wait may be suggested just to insure that the virus has had time to replicate followign exposure. (A guess on my part). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Western blot and immunoblot are terms for the same test. Why have a couple of people stated that one has to wait 12 to 14 weeks after an initial infection for detectable antibodies? IgG is produced about 2 weeks after infection. I would think that detectable levels should be readily present within 2 – 4 weeks tops. A quote from http://www.viridae.com/gen3.htm: "People who have type 2 herpes can also be diagnosed by a blood test called the Western blot. This test distinguishes the types. Any other blood test will not do that properly, so people who have every been exposed to cold sores may come up falsely positive by other tests. This test should ideally be performed at least 4 months after the point of possible exposure or infection." I had always heard, to be safe and not waste your money, to wait 12-16 weeks before taking the WB. -G
Response:
Hey, JP Your mention of your paperwork again caused me to re-read mine. I ordered the Western Blot from my doc, but that "order" never got to the lab when he took my sample down, so they ran an ELISA instead (he said he asked the lab to do a "standard herpes" test… ). The disclaimer on the bottom of my test is somewhat similar to what you presented as being at the top of yours. But mine is 3 paragraphs, one of which says "…elevated antibody titers to both HSV-1 and 2 may represent crossreactive HSV antibodies rather than exposure to both HSV-1 and 2. HSV-1 and HSV-2 IgG antibodies can often be differentiated by performing the Herpes Simplex Virus IgG Ab Differentiation, Immunoblot, on specimens positive for IgG antibody." Your test, JP, since the lab doc said it was new, sounds like maybe it’s the new GULL ELISA test that’s supposedly just come out. It’s supposed to be as accurate as the WB, only cheaper, and individual labs can perform it, just like the old ELISA (which I got–my test was, indeed, the "old" ELISA). Can you squeeze in one more call to that nice lab doc? Ask the exact name of your test? Was it the GULL ELISA? (I think "GULL" in the name is the name of the actual company that invented and supplies the test). If it is the new GULL ELISA, like I say, it’s said to be as accurate as the WB. It would be nice to know if they’ve released that test–we could all ask for that instead of the WB. Maybe the costs for both will decline if there is competition out there. Hope any of this helps -G
Response:
wow, JP, I didn’t know anything about that blood-test! And i just saw my dr *last week*!!!! And I live in BOSTON!!!!!!! How can she paooibly not when the subject is on suppressive therapy? Wow, that was a *very* informative post; thank you so much! HUG HUG HUG, april
You know, not a whole lot of people have even heard of this test….I don’t know why. My usual doctors had no Idea either. I talked in depth with a doctor in the lab at Torrance Memorial (L.A.) and she researched my options and heard about it. I was kind of persistant though about getting the Western Blot done, and she said she could send my blood to that test but suggested this other new one? Go figure. —JP
Response:
Western blot and immunoblot are terms for the same test. Why have a couple of people stated that one has to wait 12 to 14 weeks after an initial infection for detectable antibodies? IgG is produced about 2 weeks after infection. I would think that detectable levels should be readily present within 2 – 4 weeks tops.
I don’t know, good question. Aren’t there two sets of antibodies for H, that your body produces, one kind that’s like an immediate defense and other long term type antibodies? The test I had done, the "lab" doctor compared it to the Western Blot. But she said it was new, more sensitive, cheaper etc. The paperwork I have does refer to it as the ‘Immunoblot assay" in the paragraph below the tests title line. I’d call her back again but I’m not sure I want to hassle her anymore. She took a lot of time to help. Maybe "Tim" can help out with this? –JP My paperwork read: HERPES SIMPLEX VIRUS (HSV) IgG AB DIFFERENTIATION, IBL (SERUM) Strong crossreactivity between antibodies induced by herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) and herpes simples virus type 2 (HSV-2) infections makes it difficult to type HSV infections by ELISA and IFA procedures. Differentiation of HSV-1 from HSV-2 IgG antibodies can be effectively accomplished using the HSV-1 and HSV-2 IgG immunoblot assay, which utilizes recombinant type-specific HSV glycoproteins.
Response:
Your doctor is wrong…you can get a blood test called the Western Blot for Herpes….some docs aren’t aware of it….but you have to wait 12 to 14 weeks after the initial infection so that you have enough antibodies in your blood to show up on the test. The stats say that around 70% of the people who have it, don’t know it because their symptoms are so mild or even non-existent. So it’s possible you have it..and you should take precautions against transmitting it until it’s been confirmed that you don’t have it.
Response:
wow, JP, I didn’t know anything about that blood-test! And i just saw my dr *last week*!!!! And I live in BOSTON!!!!!!! How can she paooibly not when the subject is on suppressive therapy? Wow, that was a *very* informative post; thank you so much! HUG HUG HUG, april – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never had any symptoms but one person that i was intimate with claims to get this from me. I went to my doctor but he said that we won’t know untill i get "an outbreak". Is there a way to test to know if you have "genital herpes" ? Also how would you possibly protect others from getting it and how easily does this vermin transmit. I really hope someone here can answer my Q’s as nobody else seems to be able to 8( please answer by email if at al possible Cryptor, you gotta wait around 3-4 months after presumed exposure to accurately test for the hsv antibodies in your blood. The blood test you want is called the Herpes Specific Western Blot. Don’t be surprised if doctors give you a hard time with getting this test done. It’s somewhat of a chore for some (me included) but if you call the Virology lab at the University of Washington, they will be able to provide info to your doctor and you by fax or by mail. I also got a test done called: "Herpes Simplex virus(HSV) IgG AB Differentiation, IBL (Serum)" It was brand new but you can ask about it. It does exist and test for what you are wondering through a blood sample. You should wait about the same amount of time I would think. My insurance even covered it…whoa. Other wise, you have to wait for an outbreak and then get it cultured. Use of condoms help but not totally by any means. Passing it on can be a guessing game with the odds slightly in your favor (against transmission). You can pass it on without any visible signs (Assymptomatic Shedding…….happens about 3% of the time, but you don’t know when). If you don’t get outbreaks, it is possible that you might shed the virus less than those who do get outbreaks, but the chance exists. Also just because things (facts) may point to what you think is going on with transmission to another etc., don’t necissarily believe it 100%. Many people have this and it would be a shame to "acquire" hsv just because you "believed" you had it and did not protect yourself with someone you know has it. I did that. Just something to chew on. (safe sex) Hope this helps. —JP
Response:
I never had any symptoms but one person that i was intimate with claims to get this from me. I went to my doctor but he said that we won’t know untill i get "an outbreak". Is there a way to test to know if you have "genital herpes" ? Also how would you possibly protect others from getting it and how easily does this vermin transmit. I really hope someone here can answer my Q’s as nobody else seems to be able to 8( please answer by email if at al possible
Cryptor, you gotta wait around 3-4 months after presumed exposure to accurately test for the hsv antibodies in your blood. The blood test you want is called the Herpes Specific Western Blot. Don’t be surprised if doctors give you a hard time with getting this test done. It’s somewhat of a chore for some (me included) but if you call the Virology lab at the University of Washington, they will be able to provide info to your doctor and you by fax or by mail. I also got a test done called: "Herpes Simplex virus(HSV) IgG AB Differentiation, IBL (Serum)" It was brand new but you can ask about it. It does exist and test for what you are wondering through a blood sample. You should wait about the same amount of time I would think. My insurance even covered it…whoa. Other wise, you have to wait for an outbreak and then get it cultured. Use of condoms help but not totally by any means. Passing it on can be a guessing game with the odds slightly in your favor (against transmission). You can pass it on without any visible signs (Assymptomatic Shedding…….happens about 3% of the time, but you don’t know when). If you don’t get outbreaks, it is possible that you might shed the virus less than those who do get outbreaks, but the chance exists. Also just because things (facts) may point to what you think is going on with transmission to another etc., don’t necissarily believe it 100%. Many people have this and it would be a shame to "acquire" hsv just because you "believed" you had it and did not protect yourself with someone you know has it. I did that. Just something to chew on. (safe sex) Hope this helps. —JP
Response:
Western blot and immunoblot are terms for the same test.
It’s my understanding that the immunoblot is new, and has not been available until only this year. It is less costly than the Western Blot. Why do you say it’s the same test? angele
Response:
You know, not a whole lot of people have even heard of this test….I don’t know why. My usual doctors had no Idea either.
Gosh, most doctors don’t even know about the Western Blot test, let alone this new one! This test only became available in 1998. doctor in the lab at Torrance Memorial (L.A.) and she researched my options and heard about it. I was kind of persistant though about getting the Western Blot done, and she said she could send my blood to that test but suggested this other new one? Go figure. —JP
It’s less costly, and supposedly just as accurate. angele
Response:
I never had any symptoms but one person that i was intimate with claims to get this from me. I went to my doctor but he said that we won’t know untill i get "an outbreak". Is there a way to test to know if you have "genital herpes" ? Also how would you possibly protect others from getting it and how easily does this vermin transmit. I really hope someone here can answer my Q’s as nobody else seems to be able to 8( please answer by email if at al possible
Response:
I never had any symptoms but one person that i was intimate with claims to get this from me. Cryptor, you gotta wait around 3-4 months after presumed exposure to accurately test for the hsv antibodies in your blood.
Yes, but if Cryptor gets tested NOW, and tests negative, the infected partner would be hard pressed to claim that he/she was infected by Cryptor. I appreciate that we don’t have all the facts here. We don’t know how long ago the partner got symptoms or whether it’s a primary outbreak. Lots of unknown factors here. angele
Response:
wow, JP, I didn’t know anything about that blood-test!
Is that the one that’s called the ImmunoBlot? I understand that only has become available this year. angele
Response:
Hi All, Just a general question for the group. From all of my lurking on here, it seems that most everyone got herpes from someone they didn’t know had it (either because the other person didn’t know or didn’t tell). Are there any frequenters to this group that actually got the virus from someone they knew had had it. The only situation I’m aware of is Mary passing it on to an earlier boyfriend. Dave
Response:
Hi All, Just a general question for the group. From all of my lurking on here, it seems that most everyone got herpes from someone they didn’t know had it (either because the other person didn’t know or didn’t tell). Are there any frequenters to this group that actually got the virus from someone they knew had had it. The only situation I’m aware of is Mary passing it on to an earlier boyfriend. Dave
Yeah I got it from my gf. I knew she had, took a chance and joined the club. Do I regret it? sometimes yes. wo
Response:
Same as Wo… my girlfriend told me, too… I did the condom thing for a while, but thought we were a "forever" couple…. whoops!… she split, but I was left with a memory… D
Response:
I just started dating a girl. She has what appliers to be a red pimple on her cheek, not on her lip. Could this be herpes? Does the herpes soar have to be on the mouth?
Response:
Hi, Herpes can be located on the cheek, but I have never seen it there myself. Maybe it’s just a pimple? Get to know her and talk about std’s before you get intimate. There’s no garauntee that the other person will be honest, but there’s also a chance they will be. Have you ever been tested specifically for herpes? Many times you have to ask for the herpes test since it is not usually in the panel of tests for std’s. You can have it and not have any symptoms of it. Take Care, Wanda
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just started dating a girl. She has what appliers to be a red pimple on her cheek, not on her lip. Could this be herpes? Does the herpes soar have to be on the mouth?
Response:
I agree with Wanda. I think you need to be tested for herpes as well – especially if you are so worried about it. I’m fairly certain your girl friend has a pimple – as do many people these days. ar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Herpes can be located on the cheek, but I have never seen it there myself. Maybe it’s just a pimple? Get to know her and talk about std’s before you get intimate. There’s no garauntee that the other person will be honest, but there’s also a chance they will be. Have you ever been tested specifically for herpes? Many times you have to ask for the herpes test since it is not usually in the panel of tests for std’s. You can have it and not have any symptoms of it. Take Care, Wanda I just started dating a girl. She has what appliers to be a red pimple on her cheek, not on her lip. Could this be herpes? Does the herpes soar have to be on the mouth?
Response:
Can someone be tested wrong?
Yes, this can happen, any test has a fail rate of some kind..it gets difficult to estimate in small use tests. THe current ones claim typically 97-99% accuracy…but that assumes a sample in good order at the start of the test. I seen someone say that it takes 12-16 weeks for a blood test to be accurate is that true? If its less then 12-16 weeks it wont show is that right?
THat 12-16 weeks gives time for the antibody to be developed and for the IgM and IgG subclasses to settle a bit….basically they wont guarantee anything before then…some people will develop antibodies quicker and may show earlier. not have herpes. I do not understand that one. All i know is he had a blood test and pee test. I asked if he had a culture test and he said
OK if this was a primary then yes it might have avoided the blood test…has this person been retested to confirm the result, or got a confirmed diagnosis for an alternate condition for that set of lesions (the problem of course with a blood test is it doesnt definitively tell you that lesion X is disease Y…it merely gives good odds). If the doc got a positive hit for something else from the pee test (which possibly was a bacterial culture) then they’ll go with that possibly. knows. Which from him sleeping with me he could of got it. But he told me he hasn’t had any outbreak since the first one so the doctor is right
Well one outbreak and silence is not uncommon….herpes doesnt have to recur and most people never know they carry it (I can give you the figures if you like – I’ve quoted the NHANES III survey where Fleming found these data out a few times so Google should find it for you) This person may not have caught it, but a re-test cant hurt and the transfer may have occured since silently, or may in the future which they may wish to keep an eye on regardless of any past issues. Tim When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568
Response:
Hi Carole, As far as that doctor goes….what a crock. The pee test won’t test for herpes. The doctor was probably looking for a UTI. All blood tests take 12 – 16 weeks after exposure for the body to build up enough antibodies in order to get an accurate count. Any blood testing prior to that is a waste of time and money. You need to find out from your friend which test he had done. In a perfect world, he would have another blood test 16 weeks AFTER the first signs of symptoms appeared. A culture is done by swabbing a blister and testing what is inside to see if it is herpes. Cultures must be done early on in the life cycle of the blister or there is a risk of a false negative. (This happened to me). It sounds to me as if your friend is very misinformed on herpes. Lots of us have only one outbreak and never have another – yet we still have herpes and are still contagious. Good luck with educating your friend. ar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone be tested wrong? I seen someone say that it takes 12-16 weeks for a blood test to be accurate is that true? If its less then 12-16 weeks it wont show is that right? I know someone that showed symptoms of herpes. Had bumps on genitals, fever for about a week, Sore throat, Aches, When going pee it burned. But when they went to get checked the doctor called no longer then a week later and said he did not have herpes. I do not understand that one. All i know is he had a blood test and pee test. I asked if he had a culture test and he said no. A culture is when they check the genital area when getting tested right? Does the blood test and pee test sometimes not show up when you first get all the symptoms of having it? I have herpes myself and he knows. Which from him sleeping with me he could of got it. But he told me he hasn’t had any outbreak since the first one so the doctor is right is what he says. I dont understand can someone help me out here? Thank You Sorry so long
Response:
Can someone be tested wrong? I seen someone say that it takes 12-16 weeks for a blood test to be accurate is that true? If its less then 12-16 weeks it wont show is that right? I know someone that showed symptoms of herpes. Had bumps on genitals, fever for about a week, Sore throat, Aches, When going pee it burned. But when they went to get checked the doctor called no longer then a week later and said he did not have herpes. I do not understand that one. All i know is he had a blood test and pee test. I asked if he had a culture test and he said no. A culture is when they check the genital area when getting tested right? Does the blood test and pee test sometimes not show up when you first get all the symptoms of having it? I have herpes myself and he knows. Which from him sleeping with me he could of got it. But he told me he hasn’t had any outbreak since the first one so the doctor is right is what he says. I dont understand can someone help me out here? Thank You Sorry so long
Response:
How is it my assumption, that the SPECIFIC ENVIRONMENT caused by the existing herpes viruses in the skin/mucus areas and those that are shedding asymtomathic (wherever they are situated, not sure of that one) is involved in providing the old herpes genes and such found latent in ganglia? By specific environment I mean enzymes, hormones, etc, lack of it or increased quantity of it in our bodies? The duration of the such a specific environment can eventually have a longer lasting existance then the existance of the viruses in the skin/mucus and asymtomathic areas where they shed. In other words, when all the viruses from the areas mentioned above will perish and the specific environment will change to not be specific any longer, there might be no way that the viruses located in the ganglia will be able to become active any longer. Now the question is: how specific this particular environment can be? Can be unique only particular for the situation when there is activity of the virus? Or this environment can be developed in an independent way from the viruses? But, let’s forget: "There is no smoke without fire." Perl Molson
Response:
Active volcano versus non-active volcano. It’s a matter of environment…like with herpes. (this topic is an adition to a previous topic also called "Question") Think vulcano, baby! Perl Molson
Response:
Hi thanks for that…. but I don’t get cold sores on my mouth… never have !!!! Val — Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)
Response:
Hi, also does that mean that I got it from someone orally or genitally, or it could be either ? I have had only one breakout since I found out about 10 months ago and that was the OB ten months ago. But the thing is that I have an itch that is there alot of the time and gets worse around menstration… do you know of anything that could relieve this ? thanks Val — Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)
Response:
also does that mean that I got it from someone orally or genitally, or it
could be either ? Valerie: It could have been either way.But the thing is that I have an itch that is there alot of the time and gets worse around
menstration… Have you asked your doctor about the possibility of having bacterial vaginitis? Sometimes this goes hand in hand with herpes. I have struggled with this myself. Or what you’re feeling right around the time of your menstration is something a lot of women feel around that time. I go through an itchy, burning type period just before starting my monthly. There are some over the counter things that help with this. Go to the drug store and ask the pharmicist what is the best product to use for what you’re feeling. Beth :-) ~~~Seek the treasures in life and you will feel fulfilled.~~~
Response:
My Nurse Practitioner said that it is possible to self-infect — that is, get genital herpes by transferring the virus on your hand, from a cold sore on your face to your genital area. She said she had an elderly patient who hadn’t had sex in 20 years, but she had given herself genital herpes. In that case, maybe you didn’t "get it" from anyone else. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What I am curious about is if you have genital HSV -1 then does this mean that you got if from someone that has oral HSV ? When I was told that I got a herpes breakout that it was of type one and that ment oral herpes but that it was clear that I have genital herpes. So I guess that this means that I have genital HSV-1 ?
Response:
also does that mean that I got it from someone orally or genitally, or it could be either ? I have had only one breakout since I found out about 10 months ago and that was the OB ten months ago. But the thing is that I have an itch that is there alot of the time and gets worse around menstration… do you know of anything that could relieve this ?
Along with Beth’s suggestions, this recurring "itch" around menstration time could also be a herpes outbreak. Also, about another post where you say you "don’t get cold sore on my mouth… Never have!!". Neither has my lady–yet she has both HSV1 and 2. We don’t know the location of the HSV1, and we just assume her HSV2 is located genitally, since that’s the location where I have my outbreaks. The lack of symptoms is NOT an accurate indication of the lack of herpesvirus infections. Hang in there -G
Response:
My Nurse Practitioner said that it is possible to self-infect — that is, get genital herpes by transferring the virus on your hand, from a cold sore on your face to your genital area. She said she had an elderly patient who hadn’t had sex in 20 years, but she had given herself genital herpes. In that case, maybe you didn’t "get it" from anyone else.
Although I’m sure autoinocculation is possible from oral to genital (although most cases involve oral to hand/fingers or oral to eyes, etc) it’s also possible that this elderly patient had genital herpes for years (even 20) without ever knowing till the diagnosis symptoms. It’s not a fluke that 2/3rds of the people who have genital herpes are unaware of their infection–it’s just that they don’t get outbreaks (or ones recongnized as such). Hang in there -G
Response:
Hi Val, you said: "I have an itch that is there alot of the time and gets worse around menstration… " For me, menstruation is a big trigger for an OB, it most certainly could be the herpes activating during that time. Lots of hormones are raging then. Perhaps see if your doc would prescribe antivirals to take just before your period and see if that helps? Along with the other comments on what else it could be. I find that vagisil helps the itching, but it does keep the area moist, but then, so does menstruating, eh? Take care, Denise * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
Response:
Hi All, was reading the following on a web site : "The risk of transmission for HSV-1 from the oral to the genital area is much higher than the risk of transmission of HSV-2 from the genital to the oral area. In addition, the recurrence and shedding rate for genital HSV-1 is much less than for HSV-2 – this is why getting a culture to determine the viral type can come in handy. And although HSV-2 can be transmitted to the mouth, because HSV-2 "prefers" the genitals, the recurrence rate of oral HSV-2 is statistically very low – about once every ten years. " What I am curious about is if you have genital HSV -1 then does this mean that you got if from someone that has oral HSV ? When I was told that I got a herpes breakout that it was of type one and that ment oral herpes but that it was clear that I have genital herpes. So I guess that this means that I have genital HSV-1 ? Wishing ye all a loads of hugs and best wishes for the new year. Val — Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)
Response:
When I was told that I got a herpes breakout that it was of type one and that ment oral herpes but that it was clear that I have genital herpes. So I guess that this means that I have genital HSV-1 ?
Valerie: Yes, basically that’s what that means. You have HSV-1 genitally. And since HSV-1 is more compatable orally, this means that you will probably have fewer outbreaks than someone who has HSV2 genitally. Beth :-) ~~~Seek the treasures in life and you will feel fulfilled.~~~
Response:
Hey, "H", your ads are getting tiresome. Stuff them. April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Save half on Zovirax and others If you are sick of paing the outrageious prices for the medicines to keep you feeling ok and to keep your Herpes in check, check out this site, these guys are helping us and have helped me www.medicineconnection.com Hi, Yes, with a severe outbreak you can experience other body breakdowns such as flu and upper respiratory symptomns. To help your immune system along, try taking 2,000-3,000mg of vitamin C every 3-4 hours and suck on a zinc lozenge for 10 minutes. Drink lots of herbal tea, the cold formulas by Traditional Medicinals are excellent. Many supermarkets and all health food stores carry them. Hope you’re feeling better soon. Michele Picozzi author of "Controlling Herpes Naturally" http:www.herpesnomore.southpawpress.com — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com
Response:
Save half on Zovirax and others If you are sick of paing the outrageious prices for the medicines to keep you feeling ok and to keep your Herpes in check, check out this site, these guys are helping us and have helped me www.medicineconnection.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Yes, with a severe outbreak you can experience other body breakdowns such as flu and upper respiratory symptomns. To help your immune system along, try taking 2,000-3,000mg of vitamin C every 3-4 hours and suck on a zinc lozenge for 10 minutes. Drink lots of herbal tea, the cold formulas by Traditional Medicinals are excellent. Many supermarkets and all health food stores carry them. Hope you’re feeling better soon. Michele Picozzi author of "Controlling Herpes Naturally" http:www.herpesnomore.southpawpress.com — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com
Response:
Hi, Yes, with a severe outbreak you can experience other body breakdowns such as flu and upper respiratory symptomns. To help your immune system along, try taking 2,000-3,000mg of vitamin C every 3-4 hours and suck on a zinc lozenge for 10 minutes. Drink lots of herbal tea, the cold formulas by Traditional Medicinals are excellent. Many supermarkets and all health food stores carry them. Hope you’re feeling better soon. Michele Picozzi author of "Controlling Herpes Naturally" http:www.herpesnomore.southpawpress.com — Surf Usenet at home, on the road, and by email — always at Talkway. http://www.talkway.com
Response:
Yes, I have. it’s kinda wierd, too, since I have HSV2, which is, shall we say, at the other end from my sinuses…<g In fact, now that you mention it, since I’ve been on Famvir, my chronic sinusitis has been beautifully quiescent. No sore throats, lately, either. So I’m inferring that the sore throats (sometimes for months at a time!) and even my asthma may have been prodromal. And I would never have known if the new antivirals weren’t so effective. I know Guy already said this, but I really must write a love song to antivirals! HUG, April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just had a major stressed related outbreak. Worst in years. Has anyone ever exp any mild upper resperiorty symptoms of anykind
Response:
I’d say "Sure, it is possible". It happened to me. I got HSV 2 above the waist from giving oral sex to someone who was having an outbreak. Doesn’t mean you’ve got it, but you might want to consider taking, is it Famvir?, that is recommended at the sign of a first outbreak to make the first and all subsequent outbreaks less severe. Good Luck, Tracy
Response:
Just had a major stressed related outbreak. Worst in years. Has anyone ever exp any mild upper resperiorty symptoms of anykind
Response:
Is it possible to get genital herpes in the mouth from having oral sex with someone who is having an outbreak? If this happens, is this treated with cold sore remedies?
It’s possible, but rare. HSV2 doesn’t really like to infect above the waist. But, as can be evidenced by reading this board, it still can. And when it’s above the waist, it should be recurring less often than if it was below the waist, or if it was HSV1 above the waist (HSV, out of it’s ‘area of preference’, will recur less – on average). And sure, you’d treat it with cold sore remedies, since that’s what it is. Cold sores=fever blisters=herpes (regardless of type). Hang in there -G
Response:
yes. And the person doesn’t have to be having an outbrake to give it to you that way either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it possible to get genital herpes in the mouth from having oral sex with someone who is having an outbreak? If this happens, is this treated with cold sore remedies? — To reply remove * in address
Response:
Is it possible to get genital herpes in the mouth from having oral sex with someone who is having an outbreak? If this happens, is this treated with cold sore remedies? — To reply remove * in address
Response:
I just found out that a woman I had sex with on saturday has herpes. She did not tell me this I had to find out from another freind. What are the first signs? how long do I have to wait before I can get tested? Can I infected someone else in the first few days or weeks with this? (if I have it). Thanks
Response:
(M152835) writes: I just found out that a woman I had sex with on saturday has herpes.
Did you use a condom? Although it’s not foolproof, it IS better than nothing. She did not tell me this I had to find out from another freind.
Unfortunately, people sometimes are too afraid to properly inform a partner. But, thats what the courts are for–compensation! (yup..people have sued, and won, against loads who expose people without informing them) What are the first signs?
Also unfortunately, most people don’t seem to have "first signs". 1 out of 4 adults over the age of 18 already have genital herpes, yet less than 1/3rd of those people know they have it. The rest either have NO symptoms, or ones so minor they think they’re something else like yeast infections, infected hair follicles, etc. However, if you DO experience symptoms, they’d probably be an itching or burning patch of skin in the genital region that gets red and kinda blisters up. Also, there can be general acheness and swollen lymph glands too. But again, symptoms vary from person to person so it’s hard to describe what YOU may experience. If you experience first symptoms, they usually occur within 2-20 days from initial exposure (but again, most people don’t). how long do I have to wait before I can get tested?
If you don’t have any symptoms, waiting 12-16 weeks from initial exposure is recommended to allow your immune system to have enough time to generate the antibody a herpes blood test will look for. A test now would find out if you already have had herpes, yet didn’t know (yeah, that happens alot–so have one now and see if you’ve already had herpes, either oral or genital). Can I infected someone else in the first few days or weeks with this? (if I have it).
Yup, sure can. You might wanna consider not being intimate with so many people? (worried that you got it from one gal on Sat and already worried about your next intimate partner within days or first few weeks…). Many people treat either the exposure to herpes, or actually catching herpes as a *warning*. There *are* STDs out there that’ll kill you, ya know? You might want to consider making some changes in your own sexual attitudes. If you need more info on the kindsa tests out there, just holler. Hang in there -G
Response:
Have you asked your partner yet? I think I would ask her if she has it. One never knows, a "friend" may have other reasons for wanting you to think that the girl has it. So, ask her before you panick. ar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found out that a woman I had sex with on saturday has herpes. She did not tell me this I had to find out from another freind. What are the first signs? how long do I have to wait before I can get tested? Can I infected someone else in the first few days or weeks with this? (if I have it). Thanks
Response:
If L-lysine works, it works against herpes simplex in general, both kinds, both places.
I have been taking daily doses of 500mg of l-lysine for a few months now. Although I was not having any technical difficulty with chronic OB’s, I think the l-lysine may have helped to keep the OB’s away at the times when I was a serious stress monster, i.e., during finals exams, and when I was going through the pre-wedding jitters, etc. Pam
Response:
Hi Pam, You are taking a fairly low dose of Lysine. The booklet I have says you need to take something like 1500 mgs a day for herpes help. However, I am so glad to hear that you are doing good on it. If you feel an outbreak coming on, don’t hesitate about upping the dose for a few days. Of course, I am not a doctor….. ar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If L-lysine works, it works against herpes simplex in general, both kinds, both places. I have been taking daily doses of 500mg of l-lysine for a few months now. Although I was not having any technical difficulty with chronic OB’s, I think the l-lysine may have helped to keep the OB’s away at the times when I was a serious stress monster, i.e., during finals exams, and when I was going through the pre-wedding jitters, etc. Pam
Response:
posted: Hi Everyone, I have heard that Lysine is good for oral outbreaks. Does that mean it is good only for HSV1, or does it mean that it will work on HSV 1 or 2 if it is orally located? Will it be good for 1 or 2 if it is genitally located?
If it’s good at all, it’s good overall. I think. If L-lysine works, it works against herpes simplex in general, both kinds, both places. I do believe. Mike
Response:
I have heard that Lysine is good for oral outbreaks. Does that mean it is good only for HSV1, or does it mean that it will work on HSV 1 or 2 if it is orally located? Will it be good for 1 or 2 if it is genitally located?
Hi Wanda L-lysine is an amino acid that’s required by the body. And so is Arginine. The L-lysine ’side’ seems to inhibit herpesvirus (regardless of type and/or location) from replicating and thus breaking out of it’s hybernation and providing the joys of an outbreak. The Arginine ’side’ seems to promote herpesvirus replication, and therefore allows (maybe even encourages) outbreaks. I think they’re finding it’s the ratio of L-lysine to Arginine in your system and your diet that seems to effect outbreaks. Higher Arginine in your system or your diet, without a likewise increase in L-lysine and it can cause an outbreak. This, of course, is in *some* people– not all, as is the case with many aspects of herpesvirus it seems. What effects some, won’t effect others. Some people eat a nut (high in arginine) and have an outbreak, where others can eat the whole bag of nuts and not get anything. Could the bag eater just have really high L-lysine to Arginine levels? Who knows? And no definitive studies have shown supplimenting with more L-lysine to be helpful, really. It’s mostly just word of mouth. No harm in trying it though. See if it works for you to provide you with fewer outbreaks over time. I think it may work for some as a suppression tool. Don’t confuse this with prescription antiviral suppression though…there are studies that prove prescription antivirals actually work–there are no similar studies for L-lysine that show a conclusive benefit. I tried it when I was first infected (well, about 4 months after obtaining my virus) and I went from a few outbreaks to back to back outbreaks in the 3 months I used it. And no, I don’t think my increase in outbreaks was encouraged or caused by the L-lysine…I think it was just coincidental. However, I did conclude L-lysine did nothing for me at all. I’ve not tried it since. Hang in there -G
Response:
Hi Everyone, I have heard that Lysine is good for oral outbreaks. Does that mean it is good only for HSV1, or does it mean that it will work on HSV 1 or 2 if it is orally located? Will it be good for 1 or 2 if it is genitally located? Thanks, Wanda : )
Response:
Can a person get herpes by just body contact or by actual body fluid exchange? Me and my girlfriend each have an opinion, so we need some expert help! Thanks!
Response:
writes Can a person get herpes by just body contact or by actual body fluid exchange? Me and my girlfriend each have an opinion, so we need some expert help! Thanks!
Unfortunately, in some circumstances, you’re both right. Rule of thumb is: moist area with thin cell walls (mouth, eyes, genitals, anus, cuts, scratches, etc) are susceptible to being penetrated by the virus. Infection follows. But. You also get other kinds of herpes in places where the skin is tough – herpes whitlow for instance (on the fingers). Generally, it is inadvisable to touch a lesion. If you do, washing your hands with warm water and soap is a good idea. — Dave
Response:
writes: I have had an OB for the last 6 wk. and this has never happen. But my concern is that the corner of my eye is red and has been bothering me for the last couple of days. I am wondering is it possible to get herpes in your eyes? And how likely is it? And how would I know if I had it in my eye??? Thanks in advance for any info. Have been really stressing about this which is not a good thing as we all know.
If there’s a question of having herpes around your eye, you should go to a qualified eye doc and find out. And you should do that at your earliest convenience. Time is of the essence in treating herpes around your eyes–so if there’s ANY question, get to an opthalmologist that knows herpes infections. It’s probably NOT herpes, but if it is, you’ll be glad you hurried (plus, if it’s not, you’ll be relieved quicker, eh?). Hang in there -G
Response:
Can a person get herpes by just body contact or by actual body fluid exchange? Me and my girlfriend each have an opinion, so we need some expert help!
Hi. Body contact at the place of contagiousness is usually required. It’s possible to get herpes transferred by "body fluids" if the fluids have the chance to pass over a lesion and pick up active virus and then that fluid comes into contact with the mucous membranes of an uninfected person. The chances of this happening though, I’d think you’d be safe in calling "slim". The usual method of exposure is skin to skin contact with either an active lesion or a spot that is asymptomatically shedding the virus. Hang in there -G
Response:
Path: lobby!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-ne
ws-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: alt.support.herpes Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.05.5d X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I have had an OB for the last 6 wk. and this has never happen. But my concern is that the corner of my eye is red and has been bothering me for the last couple of days. I am wondering is it possible to get herpes in your eyes? And how likely is it? And how would I know if I had it in my eye??? Thanks in advance for any info. Have been really stressing about this which is not a good thing as we all know.
Hi, Missy. Have you really had the same ob for the last 6 weeks???? That’s *waaaaay* too long! Have you been to a dr? It really sounds to me like you should be on meds to end this very unpleasent episode! Now in answer to your question: yes, unfortunately, it *is* possible to get HSV in your eye, although it is unlikely and not that easy to do. But if you have touched a lesion and then your eye (much easier if you have oral HSV than genital, but possible either way) then you *could* have that…but you could just as easily have cinjunctivitis, or just a plain old garden-variety eye-infection. I know I’m gonna sound like a broken reccord, but you should get to a dr and have that looked at. Ocular herpes is easy to treat; untreated, it can cause scarring which is certianly not something you want!!! Hope this helps…you really probably don’t have that, but you should have it treated in either case. HUG, April – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — As Always….. Missy "A man’s soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog." Chas. Doran http://mtrhodes.home.mindspring.com/
Response:
"the helper" Sample Issues http://www.ashastd.org/herpes/teaser.html QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT HERPES http://www.ashastd.org/std/herpref.html HSV is transmitted from one person to another through skin to skin contact. The type of tissue that is the most susceptible to transmission is the Mucous Membrane. Yosh Coming Soon… Omaha HELP http://hometown.aol.com/yoshi2me/myhomepage/index.html "Your friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you." —ELBERT HUBBARD
Response:
I have had an OB for the last 6 wk. and this has never happen. But my concern is that the corner of my eye is red and has been bothering me for the last couple of days. I am wondering is it possible to get herpes in your eyes? And how likely is it? And how would I know if I had it in my eye??? Thanks in advance for any info. Have been really stressing about this which is not a good thing as we all know. — As Always….. Missy "A man’s soul can be judged by the way he treats his dog." Chas. Doran http://mtrhodes.home.mindspring.com/
Response:
Is is true that the oral version of herpes can be transmitted to the genitals? I’m having a bit of an argument with my flatmate over this one at the moment – she thinks it can’t, I think it can. I thought that if it is transmitted this way, it’s not so severe or something but you can still get it… PETE
Response:
writes: Is is true that the oral version of herpes can be transmitted to the genitals? I’m having a bit of an argument with my flatmate over this one at the moment – she thinks it can’t, I think it can. I thought that if it is transmitted this way, it’s not so severe or something but you can still get it…
Hi Pete Yup… you win the cigar — which if used presidentially, by the way, *is* one of he "safe sex" methods that pretty much precludes a herpes transfer–but be sure to wash the cigar with soap and water prior to allowing yet another partner to use it for whatever reason. ::snicker:: ::snicker:: Something like around 30% of new genital herpes diagnosed in the US today are testing out to be the type we normally refer to as oral herpes, HSV1. Usually this transfer is from oral to genital contact with the one having oral herpes doing the giving of course. HSV1 genitally recurrs less frequently/severely, on average, if compared to HSV2 genitally (the type of virus that’s *normally* associated with genital herpes). In other countries that have, for whatever reason, more interest in oral sex, I think the percentage of transfers from oral to genital herpes is even larger (such as Japan). Hope this helps… and next time, bet money! :-) -G
Response:
Ummm, you could have said"give the man a cigar!", or is that a Canadian expression? (Your President will never be offerred another cigar again, will he?) Hey, my first day back in a long time, and Guy is telling bad jokes and snickering. Pauly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes: Is is true that the oral version of herpes can be transmitted to the genitals? I’m having a bit of an argument with my flatmate over this one at the moment – she thinks it can’t, I think it can. I thought that if it is transmitted this way, it’s not so severe or something but you can still get it… Hi Pete Yup… you win the cigar — which if used presidentially, by the way, *is* one of he "safe sex" methods that pretty much precludes a herpes transfer–but be sure to wash the cigar with soap and water prior to allowing yet another partner to use it for whatever reason. ::snicker:: ::snicker:: Something like around 30% of new genital herpes diagnosed in the US today are testing out to be the type we normally refer to as oral herpes, HSV1. Usually this transfer is from oral to genital contact with the one having oral herpes doing the giving of course. HSV1 genitally recurrs less frequently/severely, on average, if compared to HSV2 genitally (the type of virus that’s *normally* associated with genital herpes). In other countries that have, for whatever reason, more interest in oral sex, I think the percentage of transfers from oral to genital herpes is even larger (such as Japan). Hope this helps… and next time, bet money! :-) -G
Response:
Categories: Systemic Asacol Reactions | 
No Comments »
Can it be used Everywhere? One side effect is burning. Because of this sensitive ares such as breast folds, and groin are not suggested. 9) The news release from Allergan refers to a 20% maximum coverage. Will usage above 20% give systemic retinoid side effects? The only answer to this was, who is going to apply that much tazorac on their body. But in general there are no systemic reactions. 10) Do blood tests have to be taken with Tazorac? no 11) Is there a rebound affect, when abruptly stopped? no 12) When should Tazorac usage be switched to Tegison/Neotegison and vice versa? This is an individual decision to be decided between the patient and the doctor 13) Can Tazorac be used in conjunction with other therapies (including Tegison)? Yes for everything, but why use it with Tegison/Neotegision when are gaining nothing by combining two similar treatments. 14) Will there be thinning of the hair, if used for the scalp? I got different answers to this. Initial testing showed no thinning of hair. 15) What is the relative cost of Tazorac? 30% more than dovonex, but cheaper on a daily basis, since it is used sparingly, once a day. [There answer not mine.] 16) If Tazorac were a steroid, what comparible class/strength would it be? What steroid has a comparable strength? Tazorac gel is as effective as a highly potent (Class 1) steroid even though it can’t be classed as a corticosteroid. 17) Does it take up to 2 months to help? Background: Someone in the news group (Ruth), was using Dermovate (Clobetasol Propionate, from Glaxo-Wellcome) on one side of her body and Tazorac on the other side. After two weeks, Dermovate was doing something, but Tazorac was only causing itching and redness, and very minor improvement. It takes 8 to 10 weeks to start effectively working, however skin will start peeling in the first couple of weeks. So Ruth, keep on trudging. 18) Besides itching and redness are there any other noticable side effects? burning 19) Currently there are two strength gels, will there be any other formulations of Tazorac, e.g., scalp solution, spray, combination with ZnP? It is too new, so not for now. [ Sorry about the length of the post] Marc Hirsch Dallas/Fort Worth Psoriasis Group 
) Just my 2.0 x 10E-2 dollars worth, Bill % I do NOT speak for Boeing! % or uunet!bcstec!misty!walden % of the tobacco industry or why I 