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Tabitha is 17 years old (and lives with my parents since she is too old to move and has lived there for so long it wouldn’t be fair to her to uproot her but she is still MY BABY) and a couple of months ago we took her to the vet because she had lost over 1/3 of her body weight but was eating non-stop, her fur was matter, greasy and gross and she had taken to sleeping behind the furnace (a dark, dirty and quite place to hide). She only came out when noone was looking to eat and use the litter box. We spent $300 for them to keep her over night to rehidrate her since she was severely dehydrated and for blood work (they thought she had kidney failure). They found she had a thyroid problem and put her on medication. She seemed to do so much better after that… gained weight, was sleeping on the rec room couch, coming upstairs to ”talk” to us. We need to bath her every couple of weeks (she’s doesn’t bother to clean herself anymore, so the vet recommended we bath her) and 2 days ago when my Dad got home Tabitha had pooped on the rec room carpet a couple of times (diareah) but seemed fine otherwise… so he gave her a bath (she needed one) and noticed she had lost ALOT of weight again (she’s got so much fur it’s hard to tell sometimes if she’s lost weight since she doesn’t like to be picked up). She went to the vets today and they are keeping her for 48 hours for IV fluids (she’s severely dehydrated again) and a complete blood work-up. The vet doesn’t think this is related to her thyroid (she had a thyroid blood test a little while ago and she was great) so they are testing her for everything (cancer, kidney failure etc…)   They suspect bowel cancer may be the problem… not sure why?!?!  Or what the symptoms of this are??? Has anyone been through this? Could it be something easy to fix? Any idea if we are going to need to put her down? Thanks, Chelle

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tabitha is 17 years old (and lives with my parents since she is too old to move and has lived there for so long it wouldn’t be fair to her to uproot her but she is still MY BABY) and a couple of months ago we took her to the vet because she had lost over 1/3 of her body weight but was eating non-stop, her fur was matter, greasy and gross and she had taken to sleeping behind the furnace (a dark, dirty and quite place to hide). She only came out when noone was looking to eat and use the litter box. We spent $300 for them to keep her over night to rehidrate her since she was severely dehydrated and for blood work (they thought she had kidney failure). They found she had a thyroid problem and put her on medication. She seemed to do so much better after that… gained weight, was sleeping on the rec room couch, coming upstairs to ”talk” to us. We need to bath her every couple of weeks (she’s doesn’t bother to clean herself anymore, so the vet recommended we bath her) and 2 days ago when my Dad got home Tabitha had pooped on the rec room carpet a couple of times (diareah) but seemed fine otherwise… so he gave her a bath (she needed one) and noticed she had lost ALOT of weight again (she’s got so much fur it’s hard to tell sometimes if she’s lost weight since she doesn’t like to be picked up). She went to the vets today and they are keeping her for 48 hours for IV fluids (she’s severely dehydrated again) and a complete blood work-up. The vet doesn’t think this is related to her thyroid (she had a thyroid blood test a little while ago and she was great) so they are testing her for everything (cancer, kidney failure etc…)

How long ago was "a little while ago?"  A month? More?  Less?  Her thyroid levels may have changed again, and her medication may need adjusting (I’m assuming she’s on Tapazole).  The dosage of thyroid meds usually need to be adjusted a couple of times (sometimes more) when the cat initially goes on it because the thyroid glands respond only gradually to it.  Have her T4 tested again (that should be part of the blood workup, and if it isn’t, make them do it). They suspect bowel cancer may be the problem… not sure why?!?!  Or what the symptoms of this are???

Why does the vet think it’s bowel cancer? S/he should have been able to provide an explanation for thinking so.  I don’t know why your vet was so quick to dismiss this as not thyroid related, considering that she whas only been diagnosed and on meds for a couple of months. Has anyone been through this? Could it be something easy to fix? Any idea if we are going to need to put her down?

Calm down–I know it’s hard, given the circumstances.  But I strongly suspect it’s thyroid related, and I think your vet’s making a big mistake (or else ripping you off) if all kinds of tests are being done *before* re-checking her T4 levels.  Make sure her thyroid is checked again, and if your vet doesn’t think that’s necessary, consider another vet.  Good luck to you both–she may be old, but that doesn’t mean her time is up just yet. Let us know how it goes!

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Tabitha is 17 years old (and lives with my parents since she is too old to move and has lived there for so long it wouldn’t be fair to her to uproot her but she is still MY BABY) and a couple of months ago we took her to the vet because she had lost over 1/3 of her body weight but was eating non-stop, her fur was matter, greasy and gross and she had taken to sleeping behind the furnace (a dark, dirty and quite place to hide). She only came out when noone was looking to eat and use the litter box. We spent $300 for them to keep her over night to rehidrate her since she was severely dehydrated and for blood work (they thought she had kidney failure). They found she had a thyroid problem and put her on medication. She seemed to do so much better after that… gained weight, was sleeping on the rec room couch, coming upstairs to ”talk” to us. We need to bath her every couple of weeks (she’s doesn’t bother to clean herself anymore, so the vet recommended we bath her) and 2 days ago when my Dad got home Tabitha had pooped on the rec room carpet a couple of times (diareah) but seemed fine otherwise… so he gave her a bath (she needed one) and noticed she had lost ALOT of weight again (she’s got so much fur it’s hard to tell sometimes if she’s lost weight since she doesn’t like to be picked up). She went to the vets today and they are keeping her for 48 hours for IV fluids (she’s severely dehydrated again) and a complete blood work-up. The vet doesn’t think this is related to her thyroid (she had a thyroid blood test a little while ago and she was great) so they are testing her for everything (cancer, kidney failure etc…)   They suspect bowel cancer may be the problem… not sure why?!?!  Or what the symptoms of this are??? Has anyone been through this? Could it be something easy to fix? Any idea if we are going to need to put her down? Thanks, Chelle

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tabitha is 17 years old (and lives with my parents since she is too old to move and has lived there for so long it wouldn’t be fair to her to uproot her but she is still MY BABY) and a couple of months ago we took her to the vet because she had lost over 1/3 of her body weight but was eating non-stop, her fur was matter, greasy and gross and she had taken to sleeping behind the furnace (a dark, dirty and quite place to hide). She only came out when noone was looking to eat and use the litter box. We spent $300 for them to keep her over night to rehidrate her since she was severely dehydrated and for blood work (they thought she had kidney failure). They found she had a thyroid problem and put her on medication. She seemed to do so much better after that… gained weight, was sleeping on the rec room couch, coming upstairs to ”talk” to us. We need to bath her every couple of weeks (she’s doesn’t bother to clean herself anymore, so the vet recommended we bath her) and 2 days ago when my Dad got home Tabitha had pooped on the rec room carpet a couple of times (diareah) but seemed fine otherwise… so he gave her a bath (she needed one) and noticed she had lost ALOT of weight again (she’s got so much fur it’s hard to tell sometimes if she’s lost weight since she doesn’t like to be picked up). She went to the vets today and they are keeping her for 48 hours for IV fluids (she’s severely dehydrated again) and a complete blood work-up. The vet doesn’t think this is related to her thyroid (she had a thyroid blood test a little while ago and she was great) so they are testing her for everything (cancer, kidney failure etc…)

How long ago was "a little while ago?"  A month? More?  Less?  Her thyroid levels may have changed again, and her medication may need adjusting (I’m assuming she’s on Tapazole).  The dosage of thyroid meds usually need to be adjusted a couple of times (sometimes more) when the cat initially goes on it because the thyroid glands respond only gradually to it.  Have her T4 tested again (that should be part of the blood workup, and if it isn’t, make them do it). They suspect bowel cancer may be the problem… not sure why?!?!  Or what the symptoms of this are???

Why does the vet think it’s bowel cancer? S/he should have been able to provide an explanation for thinking so.  I don’t know why your vet was so quick to dismiss this as not thyroid related, considering that she whas only been diagnosed and on meds for a couple of months. Has anyone been through this? Could it be something easy to fix? Any idea if we are going to need to put her down?

Calm down–I know it’s hard, given the circumstances.  But I strongly suspect it’s thyroid related, and I think your vet’s making a big mistake (or else ripping you off) if all kinds of tests are being done *before* re-checking her T4 levels.  Make sure her thyroid is checked again, and if your vet doesn’t think that’s necessary, consider another vet.  Good luck to you both–she may be old, but that doesn’t mean her time is up just yet. Let us know how it goes!

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Tabitha is 17 years old (and lives with my parents since she is too old to move and has lived there for so long it wouldn’t be fair to her to uproot her but she is still MY BABY) and a couple of months ago we took her to the vet because she had lost over 1/3 of her body weight but was eating non-stop, her fur was matter, greasy and gross and she had taken to sleeping behind the furnace (a dark, dirty and quite place to hide). She only came out when noone was looking to eat and use the litter box. We spent $300 for them to keep her over night to rehidrate her since she was severely dehydrated and for blood work (they thought she had kidney failure). They found she had a thyroid problem and put her on medication. She seemed to do so much better after that… gained weight, was sleeping on the rec room couch, coming upstairs to ”talk” to us. We need to bath her every couple of weeks (she’s doesn’t bother to clean herself anymore, so the vet recommended we bath her) and 2 days ago when my Dad got home Tabitha had pooped on the rec room carpet a couple of times (diareah) but seemed fine otherwise… so he gave her a bath (she needed one) and noticed she had lost ALOT of weight again (she’s got so much fur it’s hard to tell sometimes if she’s lost weight since she doesn’t like to be picked up). She went to the vets today and they are keeping her for 48 hours for IV fluids (she’s severely dehydrated again) and a complete blood work-up. The vet doesn’t think this is related to her thyroid (she had a thyroid blood test a little while ago and she was great) so they are testing her for everything (cancer, kidney failure etc…)   They suspect bowel cancer may be the problem… not sure why?!?!  Or what the symptoms of this are??? Has anyone been through this? Could it be something easy to fix? Any idea if we are going to need to put her down? Thanks, Chelle

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tabitha is 17 years old (and lives with my parents since she is too old to move and has lived there for so long it wouldn’t be fair to her to uproot her but she is still MY BABY) and a couple of months ago we took her to the vet because she had lost over 1/3 of her body weight but was eating non-stop, her fur was matter, greasy and gross and she had taken to sleeping behind the furnace (a dark, dirty and quite place to hide). She only came out when noone was looking to eat and use the litter box. We spent $300 for them to keep her over night to rehidrate her since she was severely dehydrated and for blood work (they thought she had kidney failure). They found she had a thyroid problem and put her on medication. She seemed to do so much better after that… gained weight, was sleeping on the rec room couch, coming upstairs to ”talk” to us. We need to bath her every couple of weeks (she’s doesn’t bother to clean herself anymore, so the vet recommended we bath her) and 2 days ago when my Dad got home Tabitha had pooped on the rec room carpet a couple of times (diareah) but seemed fine otherwise… so he gave her a bath (she needed one) and noticed she had lost ALOT of weight again (she’s got so much fur it’s hard to tell sometimes if she’s lost weight since she doesn’t like to be picked up). She went to the vets today and they are keeping her for 48 hours for IV fluids (she’s severely dehydrated again) and a complete blood work-up. The vet doesn’t think this is related to her thyroid (she had a thyroid blood test a little while ago and she was great) so they are testing her for everything (cancer, kidney failure etc…)

How long ago was "a little while ago?"  A month? More?  Less?  Her thyroid levels may have changed again, and her medication may need adjusting (I’m assuming she’s on Tapazole).  The dosage of thyroid meds usually need to be adjusted a couple of times (sometimes more) when the cat initially goes on it because the thyroid glands respond only gradually to it.  Have her T4 tested again (that should be part of the blood workup, and if it isn’t, make them do it). They suspect bowel cancer may be the problem… not sure why?!?!  Or what the symptoms of this are???

Why does the vet think it’s bowel cancer? S/he should have been able to provide an explanation for thinking so.  I don’t know why your vet was so quick to dismiss this as not thyroid related, considering that she whas only been diagnosed and on meds for a couple of months. Has anyone been through this? Could it be something easy to fix? Any idea if we are going to need to put her down?

Calm down–I know it’s hard, given the circumstances.  But I strongly suspect it’s thyroid related, and I think your vet’s making a big mistake (or else ripping you off) if all kinds of tests are being done *before* re-checking her T4 levels.  Make sure her thyroid is checked again, and if your vet doesn’t think that’s necessary, consider another vet.  Good luck to you both–she may be old, but that doesn’t mean her time is up just yet. Let us know how it goes!

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Renee, Lots of suggestions came your way.  What are you going to do next?  Did you take your temperature? — Lila 185 1/1/99 LC since 7/14/00 170/167/140

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know I’m beating this to death, but I’m determined to make this WOL work for me. I had my thyroid checked about 4 months ago and the doc said everything was ok.  I find it hard to believe that I truly cannot lose weight!  Even when i tried the no fat 1,000 caloroes a day, I barely lost any weight after several weeks!  It’s almost as if my body is truly stuck! I really am sticking to the Atkin’s and am WELL under my 20 carbs a day for almost 7 weeks.  I’m getting tired of trying all different combinations to lose the weight, give up cheese, add veggies, more water, less veggies, more no one is picking up on?  What supplements can help?  Energy is not a problem, I really do feel pretty damn good since I’ve started this WOL. Renee 152/150/125

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I know I’m beating this to death, but I’m determined to make this WOL work for me. I had my thyroid checked about 4 months ago and the doc said everything was ok.

"ok" by doctor standards means only that you are in the "normal" range. Always ask for you blood tests. Read the QnA at my site regarding thyroid tests, etc.  I find it hard to believe that I truly cannot lose weight!  Even when i tried the no fat 1,000 caloroes a day, I barely lost any weight after several weeks!  It’s almost as if my body is truly stuck! I really am sticking to the Atkin’s and am WELL under my 20 carbs a day for almost 7 weeks.  I’m getting tired of trying all different combinations to lose the weight, give up cheese, add veggies, more water, less veggies, more one is picking up on?  What supplements can help?  Energy is not a problem, I really do feel pretty damn good since I’ve started this WOL. Renee 152/150/125

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I know I’m beating this to death, but I’m determined to make this WOL work for me. I had my thyroid checked about 4 months ago and the doc said everything was ok.  I find it hard to believe that I truly cannot lose

i started mid may, lost 10 pounds in the first three weeks then NOTHING for the next 7 weeks, i just went off atkins for about 10 days, gained back 5 pounds, went straight back on to  induction and am back to where i was after the first three weeks, tomorrow will mark week one of induction i’m hoping that after this induction period, i will have lost more than just the 5 pounds i gained back some people here seem to think you need to "shake things up a bit" sometimes, so i’m hoping this will have done it hang in there jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Renee 152/150/125

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Hello Renee, Have you taken your measurements?  What about your body fat percentage?  It is possible that you are building up lean body mass and losing fat, showing nothing on the scale. Speaking as someone that is hypothyroid, if you have energy then it is a good bet your thyroid is okay.  When your doctor checked your thyroid, did he test the TSH, T4, and free T3?  Did you get a copy of your test results and verify for yourself they were normal? Do you have any other symptoms, other than inability to lose weight? Many women have PCOS and with it high fasting insulin levels.  These same women seem to do good and lose weight on a diabetic drug called metformin, even though they are not diabetic. You dont mention how tall you are or your body fat percentage, is it possible that you dont need to lose weight?  While aiming for a number on the scale sounds good, it may be a better practice to aim for a percentage of body fat. Kari

: I know I’m beating this to death, but I’m determined to make this WOL work : for me. I had my thyroid checked about 4 months ago and the doc said : everything was ok.  I find it hard to believe that I truly cannot lose : weight!  Even when i tried the no fat 1,000 caloroes a day, I barely lost : any weight after several weeks!  It’s almost as if my body is truly stuck! : I really am sticking to the Atkin’s and am WELL under my 20 carbs a day for : almost 7 weeks.  I’m getting tired of trying all different combinations to : lose the weight, give up cheese, add veggies, more water, less veggies, more problem no : one is picking up on?  What supplements can help?  Energy is not a problem, : I really do feel pretty damn good since I’ve started this WOL. : : : Renee : : 152/150/125 : :

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I know I’m beating this to death, but I’m determined to make this WOL work for me. I had my thyroid checked about 4 months ago and the doc said everything was ok.  I find it hard to believe that I truly cannot lose weight!  Even when i tried the no fat 1,000 caloroes a day, I barely lost

Shouldn’t that have been the *all* fat 1,000 calories a day? I just finished the book so I remember it well.

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You mentioned more energy.  Are your clothes any looser? Before you buy.

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Renee, Thyroid problems don’t necessarily show up in the blood work.  Do you have other symptoms of sluggish thyroid such as dry skin & fatigue?  Try taking your temperature a few times, and see if it is below normal.  Don’t just go by how you feel, but actually use a thermometer.  These are actually better indicators of thyroid problems than the typical thyroid blood test. Anyhow, keep us posted.  I am in the exact same boat as you & searching for solutions myself. — Lila 185 1/1/99 LC since 7/14/00 170/167/140

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know I’m beating this to death, but I’m determined to make this WOL work for me. I had my thyroid checked about 4 months ago and the doc said everything was ok.  I find it hard to believe that I truly cannot lose weight!  Even when i tried the no fat 1,000 caloroes a day, I barely lost any weight after several weeks!  It’s almost as if my body is truly stuck! I really am sticking to the Atkin’s and am WELL under my 20 carbs a day for almost 7 weeks.  I’m getting tired of trying all different combinations to lose the weight, give up cheese, add veggies, more water, less veggies, more no one is picking up on?  What supplements can help?  Energy is not a problem, I really do feel pretty damn good since I’ve started this WOL. Renee 152/150/125

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No the bloodtests don’t always show results. My mother, my younger sister AND my older sister all have hypothyroidism.  My 12 year old nephew (my younger sister’s son) was diagnosed with it when he was 10 after he developed a swelling on his neck the size of a walnut. My eldest son does not have it (he’s skinny and has a high metabolism like his dad does) but I worry about my youngest son who gains weight easily possibly having it in the future.  He is due for testing again soon. My uncle (my mother’s brother) had also had bloodtests and every one turned up negative.  When his autopsy results came back after he passed it was found he did indeed have hypothyroidism. I have been tested over many years and still come up negative but I still do feel fatigued on some days..most days are fine for me all but a few during each month. I have heard of the temperature indicator and I am going to try it. I remember when I had my youngest boy that when the nurse took my temp in the hospital it was always below normal first thing in the mornings. Perhaps I can find out why I always feel cold once the temperature dips down under 20 degrees celsius.  I know from my relatives symptoms that not feeling warm enough is a factor too. Taffy ****** 374/335/299(minigoal)/140 Thyroid problems don’t necessarily show up in the blood work.  Do you have other symptoms of sluggish thyroid such as dry skin & fatigue?  Try taking your temperature a few times, and see if it is below normal.  Don’t just go by how you feel, but actually use a thermometer.  These are actually better indicators of thyroid problems than the typical thyroid blood test. Anyhow, keep us posted.  I am in the exact same boat as you & searching for solutions myself.

Before you buy.

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……. Could I have a medical problem no one is picking up on?  What supplements can help?  Energy is not a problem, I really do feel pretty damn good since I’ve started this WOL.

Renee,  What’s your temperature average for three consecutive mornings? Do you have energy? What’s your bodyfat percentage? How did you come up with a goal of 125? Lynne http://www.ellaxiak.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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If I take everything out of my diet, the only thing left will be meat!

And lowcarb high fiber veggies!   Yup…that just about describes my average daily diet…meat and lowcarb high fiber veggies… could be worse. I could still be a size 26. <G Lynne http://www.ellaxiak.com

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I know I’m beating this to death, but I’m determined to make this WOL work for me. I had my thyroid checked about 4 months ago and the doc said everything was ok.  I find it hard to believe that I truly cannot lose weight!  Even when i tried the no fat 1,000 caloroes a day, I barely lost any weight after several weeks!  It’s almost as if my body is truly stuck! I really am sticking to the Atkin’s and am WELL under my 20 carbs a day for almost 7 weeks.  I’m getting tired of trying all different combinations to lose the weight, give up cheese, add veggies, more water, less veggies, more one is picking up on?  What supplements can help?  Energy is not a problem, I really do feel pretty damn good since I’ve started this WOL. Renee 152/150/125

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I have been having the same problem.  I have been on this diet since July 17th.  Not one pound or inch lost.  I am trying to give up the cheese, cream and sugar free jello, but I am almost to the point of "why bother".  If I take everything out of my diet, the only thing left will be meat! I am going to give it another few weeks, then I don’t know what!  I sometimes think that maybe this is the weight I am supposed to be, and I will never gain or lose…. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Is that surgery only $1000, I thought it would be more otherwise I wouldn’t have given up so easily.

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: Is that surgery only $1000, I thought it would be more otherwise I : wouldn’t have given up so easily. The money I need to come up with is the co-pay plus mission costs. At the rate I’m going you’d think I was trying to get $10,000 to pay for it myself. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4968238 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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It depends on whether you have insurance. Also, there are many doctors around the country.  They charge different amounts.

Is that surgery only $1000, I thought it would be more otherwise I wouldn’t have given up so easily.

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: It depends on whether you have insurance. And if your insurance covers the job. Many plans do, but some don’t. Even if your insurance covers the job, beware. My insurance covers a thyroid blood test, but I keep getting this annoying $130 bill for when I checked my thyroid to ensure it was normal. Too bad I wasn’t hyperthyroid as I would have nuked it. <gulp!

<KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!! It sure would have

been nice to have blown up my SP with a nuke-in-a-pill. (I-131) As far as my $1,000 challenge, I have to fix my car and wait 2 months until I can work in a place accessible by public transit so I can mothball it. That way, I can prevent unexpected costs from my attempt to get the grand. There IS an ETS chop shop in Chicago, but they clamp. If I resort to that, I want a chest X-Ray right after the job that shows the positions of the clamps. That way, if one falls off and I relapse, I drop some Xanax and get a second X-Ray to find the final position. Then sue on malpractice and do a DIY ETS job to get it done right. The Chicago chop shop reduces the money needed, but has that lame clamp hazard. I want the job done right the FIRST time. I absolutely don’t want to swill down cough syrup and do the re-do myself. I know I get bloody (pun on purpose) blunt about this topic. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4968238 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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I really wouldn’t go for the clamps.  They may not kill off the whole nerve. That may be ok for people who sweat but don’t have SP, but for me, I wan’t the whole nerve cut so no signals get through. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

And if your insurance covers the job. Many plans do, but some don’t. Even if your insurance covers the job, beware. My insurance covers a thyroid blood test, but I keep getting this annoying $130 bill for when I checked my thyroid to ensure it was normal. Too bad I wasn’t hyperthyroid as I would have nuked it. <gulp! <KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!! It sure would have been nice to have blown up my SP with a nuke-in-a-pill. (I-131) As far as my $1,000 challenge, I have to fix my car and wait 2 months until I can work in a place accessible by public transit so I can mothball it. That way, I can prevent unexpected costs from my attempt to get the grand. There IS an ETS chop shop in Chicago, but they clamp. If I resort to that, I want a chest X-Ray right after the job that shows the positions of the clamps. That way, if one falls off and I relapse, I drop some Xanax and get a second X-Ray to find the final position. Then sue on malpractice and do a DIY ETS job to get it done right. The Chicago chop shop reduces the money needed, but has that lame clamp hazard. I want the job done right the FIRST time. I absolutely don’t want to swill down cough syrup and do the re-do myself. I know I get bloody (pun on purpose) blunt about this topic. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680 First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4968238 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/ </PRE</HTML

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I’m rapidly finding that trying to get $1,000 is impossible due to Murphy’s Law. Each attempt at getting the kilobuck for the mission to Texas only results in my being forced to divert it for unanticipated costs, like car repairs. In Attempt 3, I didn’t even put in the loan application, and now I bet I’ll use most of it up on yet another car repair. Lately, my car has accelleration worse than an overloaded semi. I think the culprit is a cat converter gone bad. Read: Big Bucks. Seems any time I get even a sizeable fraction up, a massive cost comes along to suck it up. The last attempt was with my tax return cheque, and an alternator that needed to be replaced. Cost: $350 not including "hidden" costs like using cabs, a day of unpaid leave, etc. Murphy’s Law is beating me at every turn. With the latest attempt, the repair could cost $600 and use up half of the $1,200 I can get in a loan. It seems I can only amass supplies piecemeal, like collecting surgical supplies one tool at a time. I simply can’t contain money in any sizeable quantity, and I have no relatives who can or will help fund the mission to Texas. None of my relatives can comprehend SP as nobody else in my family is the least bit shy. My stupid mother suggested hypnosis. Just HOW the fuck are you supposed to amass a grand without having to blow it on costs that crop up the minute you have a fraction of it? I’d love to know how Grachman amassed way more money TWICE in short order for both ETS jobs. I’ve been trying for 6 months and I can’t amass any money. It simply sublimes like dry ice any time I amass a mere fraction of a grand. I’m quickly coming to the conclusion that amassing a mere grand is impossible. It’s looking like the Texas mission is getting impossible due to the impossible nature of funding it. At the rate I’m going, I’ll have to get that loan, fix the car, and use the remainder to go under the border to get medical supplies. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4968238 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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: I really wouldn’t go for the clamps.  They may not kill off the whole nerve. : That may be ok for people who sweat but don’t have SP, but for me, I wan’t the : whole nerve cut so no signals get through. That’s why I don’t want to go to the Chicago ETS chop shop. I don’t want to have to take the X-Ray home to do my own re-do as I can’t afford a re-do. I’m having an impossible enough time for the first job. How the fuck are you supposed to raise money for ANYTHING? I’m only talking about one stupid lame little grand, but I may as well be trying to get up a megabuck. — CAUTION: Email Spam Killer in use. Leave this line in your reply! 152680  First Law of Economics: You can’t sell product to people without money. 4968238 bytes of spam mail deleted.           http://www.wwa.com/~nospam/

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Its wonderful that  your cat has made it to 20! I have never had a cat the old, but I would tend to guess that perhaps the cat is just having a ’senior moment’ – a 20 year old cat is equivalent to what a 100 year old? Perhaps she is just forgets where she is and becomes frightened/disoriented?  If so, there is not much that you can do for her, except to offer comfort. Good luck. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paula: I have a 15-year old cat and she, too, will "yowl" for no reason at all. SHe usually is in another room and sounds lonely, but i am in the house with her. I have had quite a few cats and is seems like at one point or another when they are older they just like to "yowl". HAve you ever tried to get a 15-year old cat to accept 2 kittens? I am having trouble with that now. I have had the kittens about 2 months and kept them separate from the "existing" cat. The Ecat still growls and hisses when we show her the kitten.  ANy suggestions? Cattttty I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Paula: I have a 15-year old cat and she, too, will "yowl" for no reason at all. SHe usually is in another room and sounds lonely, but i am in the house with her. I have had quite a few cats and is seems like at one point or another when they are older they just like to "yowl". HAve you ever tried to get a 15-year old cat to accept 2 kittens? I am having trouble with that now. I have had the kittens about 2 months and kept them separate from the "existing" cat. The Ecat still growls and hisses when we show her the kitten.  ANy suggestions? Cattttty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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I have a 1 1/2 year old male that does this.  He’s always by himself in another room (or on the deck) when he does it.  I’ve decided it’s because he’s not exactly the brightest cat I’ve ever had.  This fits with the ‘old age and senility’ thing.  Anyway, when he yowls, I yell out his name to tell him that he’s not by his lonesome and he usually stops. lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This sounds very similar to my "aging siamese" (posted yesterday), HOWEVER, my cat already had hyper-thyroidism and was treated for it.  At the time I was told it wouldn’t come back.  Two vets have told me that the yowling at night are indicative of old age and senility!  I’ve been giving her tranquilizers at night, although I’m not thrilled with that.  Someone responded to my last post and suggested I get rescue remedy drops from a health food store and put a few drops in her water.  That may work.  I’ll try it and let you know. Joy often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                dorothy I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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She must be going deaf and its confusing her, this same thing happened to my 22yr. old baby KIKI!!! She became deaf at around 20 as well! Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                                                                                                                           dorothy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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This sounds very similar to my "aging siamese" (posted yesterday), HOWEVER, my cat already had hyper-thyroidism and was treated for it.  At the time I was told it wouldn’t come back.  Two vets have told me that the yowling at night are indicative of old age and senility!  I’ve been giving her tranquilizers at night, although I’m not thrilled with that.  Someone responded to my last post and suggested I get rescue remedy drops from a health food store and put a few drops in her water.  That may work.  I’ll try it and let you know. Joy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                dorothy I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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Have her thyroid tested.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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It’s called old age.  My Angie used to do that.  It sounds terrible I know. Now the next doors cat does it.  She’s known as Queen Sasha around here! My cats take no notice of her yowling.  They know the difference between her and a tom yowling.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our cat, Topper, did this starting at age 19. Ultimately, we decided it was because she was going deaf. Apparently, the yowling is fairly common in older cats. Lynn Lynn I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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Our cat, Topper, did this starting at age 19. Ultimately, we decided it was because she was going deaf. Apparently, the yowling is fairly common in older cats. Lynn Lynn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age.

Our family cat, Sassy, used to do this.  She was well-loved and cared for and healthy, too.  We never were able to figure out exactly what was going on, but our best guess was senility–she just forgot where she was or got disoriented, and this freaked her out so much she’d yowl.  Usually all we’d have to do was go see her and say something to her, and she’d just meow quietly after that. -cg

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

    Test her, she must be deaf, I had a cat like this once, was she alone  for 20 years, no other cat for company???    ob. — ****    Odette Brown ** I love Cats    ***** *** La Belle Province ** Quebec ** CANADA ***   http://www.igs.net/~rathey/odette1.htm

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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Its wonderful that  your cat has made it to 20! I have never had a cat the old, but I would tend to guess that perhaps the cat is just having a ’senior moment’ – a 20 year old cat is equivalent to what a 100 year old? Perhaps she is just forgets where she is and becomes frightened/disoriented?  If so, there is not much that you can do for her, except to offer comfort. Good luck. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paula: I have a 15-year old cat and she, too, will "yowl" for no reason at all. SHe usually is in another room and sounds lonely, but i am in the house with her. I have had quite a few cats and is seems like at one point or another when they are older they just like to "yowl". HAve you ever tried to get a 15-year old cat to accept 2 kittens? I am having trouble with that now. I have had the kittens about 2 months and kept them separate from the "existing" cat. The Ecat still growls and hisses when we show her the kitten.  ANy suggestions? Cattttty I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Paula: I have a 15-year old cat and she, too, will "yowl" for no reason at all. SHe usually is in another room and sounds lonely, but i am in the house with her. I have had quite a few cats and is seems like at one point or another when they are older they just like to "yowl". HAve you ever tried to get a 15-year old cat to accept 2 kittens? I am having trouble with that now. I have had the kittens about 2 months and kept them separate from the "existing" cat. The Ecat still growls and hisses when we show her the kitten.  ANy suggestions? Cattttty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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I have a 1 1/2 year old male that does this.  He’s always by himself in another room (or on the deck) when he does it.  I’ve decided it’s because he’s not exactly the brightest cat I’ve ever had.  This fits with the ‘old age and senility’ thing.  Anyway, when he yowls, I yell out his name to tell him that he’s not by his lonesome and he usually stops. lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This sounds very similar to my "aging siamese" (posted yesterday), HOWEVER, my cat already had hyper-thyroidism and was treated for it.  At the time I was told it wouldn’t come back.  Two vets have told me that the yowling at night are indicative of old age and senility!  I’ve been giving her tranquilizers at night, although I’m not thrilled with that.  Someone responded to my last post and suggested I get rescue remedy drops from a health food store and put a few drops in her water.  That may work.  I’ll try it and let you know. Joy often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                dorothy I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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She must be going deaf and its confusing her, this same thing happened to my 22yr. old baby KIKI!!! She became deaf at around 20 as well! Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                                                                                                                           dorothy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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This sounds very similar to my "aging siamese" (posted yesterday), HOWEVER, my cat already had hyper-thyroidism and was treated for it.  At the time I was told it wouldn’t come back.  Two vets have told me that the yowling at night are indicative of old age and senility!  I’ve been giving her tranquilizers at night, although I’m not thrilled with that.  Someone responded to my last post and suggested I get rescue remedy drops from a health food store and put a few drops in her water.  That may work.  I’ll try it and let you know. Joy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                dorothy I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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Have her thyroid tested.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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It’s called old age.  My Angie used to do that.  It sounds terrible I know. Now the next doors cat does it.  She’s known as Queen Sasha around here! My cats take no notice of her yowling.  They know the difference between her and a tom yowling.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our cat, Topper, did this starting at age 19. Ultimately, we decided it was because she was going deaf. Apparently, the yowling is fairly common in older cats. Lynn Lynn I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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Our cat, Topper, did this starting at age 19. Ultimately, we decided it was because she was going deaf. Apparently, the yowling is fairly common in older cats. Lynn Lynn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age.

Our family cat, Sassy, used to do this.  She was well-loved and cared for and healthy, too.  We never were able to figure out exactly what was going on, but our best guess was senility–she just forgot where she was or got disoriented, and this freaked her out so much she’d yowl.  Usually all we’d have to do was go see her and say something to her, and she’d just meow quietly after that. -cg

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

    Test her, she must be deaf, I had a cat like this once, was she alone  for 20 years, no other cat for company???    ob. — ****    Odette Brown ** I love Cats    ***** *** La Belle Province ** Quebec ** CANADA ***   http://www.igs.net/~rathey/odette1.htm

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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Its wonderful that  your cat has made it to 20! I have never had a cat the old, but I would tend to guess that perhaps the cat is just having a ’senior moment’ – a 20 year old cat is equivalent to what a 100 year old? Perhaps she is just forgets where she is and becomes frightened/disoriented?  If so, there is not much that you can do for her, except to offer comfort. Good luck. P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paula: I have a 15-year old cat and she, too, will "yowl" for no reason at all. SHe usually is in another room and sounds lonely, but i am in the house with her. I have had quite a few cats and is seems like at one point or another when they are older they just like to "yowl". HAve you ever tried to get a 15-year old cat to accept 2 kittens? I am having trouble with that now. I have had the kittens about 2 months and kept them separate from the "existing" cat. The Ecat still growls and hisses when we show her the kitten.  ANy suggestions? Cattttty I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Paula: I have a 15-year old cat and she, too, will "yowl" for no reason at all. SHe usually is in another room and sounds lonely, but i am in the house with her. I have had quite a few cats and is seems like at one point or another when they are older they just like to "yowl". HAve you ever tried to get a 15-year old cat to accept 2 kittens? I am having trouble with that now. I have had the kittens about 2 months and kept them separate from the "existing" cat. The Ecat still growls and hisses when we show her the kitten.  ANy suggestions? Cattttty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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I have a 1 1/2 year old male that does this.  He’s always by himself in another room (or on the deck) when he does it.  I’ve decided it’s because he’s not exactly the brightest cat I’ve ever had.  This fits with the ‘old age and senility’ thing.  Anyway, when he yowls, I yell out his name to tell him that he’s not by his lonesome and he usually stops. lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This sounds very similar to my "aging siamese" (posted yesterday), HOWEVER, my cat already had hyper-thyroidism and was treated for it.  At the time I was told it wouldn’t come back.  Two vets have told me that the yowling at night are indicative of old age and senility!  I’ve been giving her tranquilizers at night, although I’m not thrilled with that.  Someone responded to my last post and suggested I get rescue remedy drops from a health food store and put a few drops in her water.  That may work.  I’ll try it and let you know. Joy often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                dorothy I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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She must be going deaf and its confusing her, this same thing happened to my 22yr. old baby KIKI!!! She became deaf at around 20 as well! Nancy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                                                                                                                           dorothy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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This sounds very similar to my "aging siamese" (posted yesterday), HOWEVER, my cat already had hyper-thyroidism and was treated for it.  At the time I was told it wouldn’t come back.  Two vets have told me that the yowling at night are indicative of old age and senility!  I’ve been giving her tranquilizers at night, although I’m not thrilled with that.  Someone responded to my last post and suggested I get rescue remedy drops from a health food store and put a few drops in her water.  That may work.  I’ll try it and let you know. Joy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – often cats who are hyper-thyroid begin yowling loudly all the time and are often very skinny. your vet can check for this problem with a thyroid blood test and there is a drug called tapazole which helps some cats.                dorothy I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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Have her thyroid tested.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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It’s called old age.  My Angie used to do that.  It sounds terrible I know. Now the next doors cat does it.  She’s known as Queen Sasha around here! My cats take no notice of her yowling.  They know the difference between her and a tom yowling.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Our cat, Topper, did this starting at age 19. Ultimately, we decided it was because she was going deaf. Apparently, the yowling is fairly common in older cats. Lynn Lynn I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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Our cat, Topper, did this starting at age 19. Ultimately, we decided it was because she was going deaf. Apparently, the yowling is fairly common in older cats. Lynn Lynn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age.

Our family cat, Sassy, used to do this.  She was well-loved and cared for and healthy, too.  We never were able to figure out exactly what was going on, but our best guess was senility–she just forgot where she was or got disoriented, and this freaked her out so much she’d yowl.  Usually all we’d have to do was go see her and say something to her, and she’d just meow quietly after that. -cg

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

    Test her, she must be deaf, I had a cat like this once, was she alone  for 20 years, no other cat for company???    ob. — ****    Odette Brown ** I love Cats    ***** *** La Belle Province ** Quebec ** CANADA ***   http://www.igs.net/~rathey/odette1.htm

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I have a skinny old cat (just turned 20) who has been yowling more and more over the past couple of years.  Generally she’s in another room.  I go in there to see if anything’s wrong and she just looks at me, but she gets quiet.  It’s not like she can’t find me, it’s only a one bedroom apartment. I just wondered if anyone else had encountered this behavior in an elderly cat.  BTW, she has all the necessities – plenty of food and water, clean litter box, lots of affection.  The vet says she’s pretty healthy considering her age. Paula

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I haven’t gained any weight while bfing, but I haven’t lost any, either.  I’m ten pounds below my 9mo pregnant weight, and eight pounds of that had to have been Mia!  Who, btw, has been taking her first staggering strings of steps this week… so I’m officially nursing a toddler.  A 9mo toddler.  ;-) Jessica — Little bugs have littler bugs upon their backs to bite ‘em, And littler bugs have littler bugs, and on _ad infinitum_.

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It’s great to hear that I’m not alone in the weight gain while nursing. With my first two children I lost down to pre-baby weight fairly fast and now with the third "last" child (who also was my smallest baby by 2 pounds) I just seem to be gradually gaining 1/2 to 2 pounds per week.  The ironic thing is my diet is no different and I am actually exercising more with this baby.  I truly hope the weight does come off when nursing is done.  The weight gain is bothering my husband as much or maybe more so than me.  Any advice would be great. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know that usually people lose weight when they bf, but both with my first and second children, I gained 10-15 pounds over the two years they each nursed.  As soon as I weaned the first, the weight came off very quickly.  I am convinced, since I eat sensibly and exercise, that bf makes some women retain extra weight, but I may just be paraniod, or in denial.  Has anyone else experienced this?  My doctor refuses to believe it has anything to do with bf, bc pills or any other hormone factor.  What do you guys think? Pandora Temporary post-natal hypothyroidism is not that unusual. Happened to me after both of mine – presumably the body gets its hormones in a twist dealing with not being pregnant any more, breastfeeding etc.  If you’re worried get your doctor to do a thyroid blood test – but don’t be surprised if he doesn’t prescribe because it is something which usually rights itself. Penny (thyroid back to normal but weight still with me – groan)

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Yes, I have.  With my last pregnancy I gained about 8 lbs after the baby was born.   I could’nt figure it out for the life of me either.   I know it is quite normal to keep around 7 to 10 lbs of pre-pregnancy weight around.  It is like mother natures way of ensuring you will have the fat stores available to produce the milk but to actually gain weight, for me that was new ( it was my 3rd)  I know that when my daughter weans the weight will drop off fairly easily ( I hope ) but it was definetly shocking when I stepped on the scale and my weight kept creeping up. Dont worry!  Your nursing relationship is such a brief time in you life Enjoy it while you can                   Jenine

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Breastfeeding normally should use up about 800-1000 calories per day, and you are supposed to eat almost that much extra to maintain your weight once you get rid of most of the pregnancy weight.  Perhaps you have a low metabolism, which makes it hard to lose the extra calories you are consuming.  If you are eating 800 extra calories each day like the books tell  you to, but have a low metabolism and are only using 500 calories, you will actually gain weight.  Try to raise your metabolism by engaging in more aerobic activities, and see if that burns off the calories. –Suzanne

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I gained 10 lbs or so while breastfeeding.  i would get so hungry and thirsty all the time.  i have a big baby and he was consuming about 10 oz of breast milk per feeding ( pumped at work, so i know he was a big eater). I had to eat constantly to keep the supply going.  Don’t worry though, as soon as he started walking, at 13 months, the weight fell off as I ran around trying to keep up with him.  I am now what i weighed before i got preggers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have.   I have gained 10 pounds since my daughter was born.   If I remember correctly if I gain just 4 more pounds I will weigh the same as I did when I had her.  If you find out the cause please let me know.  Thank you. I know that usually people lose weight when they bf, but both with my first and second children, I gained 10-15 pounds over the two years they each nursed.  As soon as I weaned the first, the weight came off very quickly. I am convinced, since I eat sensibly and exercise, that bf makes some women retain extra weight, but I may just be paraniod, or in denial.  Has anyone else experienced this?  My doctor refuses to believe it has anything to do with bf, bc pills or any other hormone factor.  What do you guys think? Pandora

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I know that usually people lose weight when they bf, but both with my first and second children, I gained 10-15 pounds over the two years they each nursed.  As soon as I weaned the first, the weight came off very quickly.  I am convinced, since I eat sensibly and exercise, that bf makes some women retain extra weight, but I may just be paraniod, or in denial.  Has anyone else experienced this?  My doctor refuses to believe it has anything to do with bf, bc pills or any other hormone factor.  What do you guys think? Pandora

Temporary post-natal hypothyroidism is not that unusual. Happened to me after both of mine – presumably the body gets its hormones in a twist dealing with not being pregnant any more, breastfeeding etc.  If you’re worried get your doctor to do a thyroid blood test – but don’t be surprised if he doesn’t prescribe because it is something which usually rights itself. Penny (thyroid back to normal but weight still with me – groan)

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I have.   I have gained 10 pounds since my daughter was born.   If I remember correctly if I gain just 4 more pounds I will weigh the same as I did when I had her.  If you find out the cause please let me know.  Thank you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know that usually people lose weight when they bf, but both with my first and second children, I gained 10-15 pounds over the two years they each nursed.  As soon as I weaned the first, the weight came off very quickly.  I am convinced, since I eat sensibly and exercise, that bf makes some women retain extra weight, but I may just be paraniod, or in denial.  Has anyone else experienced this?  My doctor refuses to believe it has anything to do with bf, bc pills or any other hormone factor.  What do you guys think? Pandora

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I know that usually people lose weight when they bf, but both with my first and second children, I gained 10-15 pounds over the two years they each nursed.  As soon as I weaned the first, the weight came off very quickly.  I am convinced, since I eat sensibly and exercise, that bf makes some women retain extra weight, but I may just be paraniod, or in denial.  Has anyone else experienced this?  My doctor refuses to believe it has anything to do with bf, bc pills or any other hormone factor.  What do you guys think? Pandora

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My point, seemed the Endo had trouble seeing me as anything but a diabetic. Even though thyroid problem is also a metabolic disorder, and endos specialize in metabolic disorders, he still didn’t catch it.  My new endo, a woman doc, also didn’t put the symptoms together.  It was the GP, because he was looking at the whole picture.

I had exactly the reverse. I was seeing an endo for a thyroid problem, and she totally overlooked the fact that I was excessively thirsty…The GP that I went back to had the attitude that if I still wasn’t feeling well, despite what the thyroid numbers were after treatment, she’d keep testing until she found something. My BG at the time was 350! Alice F

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I haven’t been feeling too well the last, oh, 3, 4 or 5 YEARS.  Kept telling my endo I think there is something wrong with me.  He kept saying insulin, try increase exercise, etc.) taken care of then we will look at that.  And each visit had another "diabetic" thing to discuss.  Never time to look at that other. Symptoms were/are:  Constant back pain; constant headache (same spot, 24 hrs a day); couldn’t lose weight, in fact, gaining 3 – 4 lbs. per year, while eating less; depression; high cholesterol; forgetfulness; menstrual problems; general lethargy; change of body shape (always small waist, big hips – now ROUND in the middle); difficulty concentrating; puffy face; general overall foggy feeling in the brain. Kept telling the doc that these symptoms were absolutely opposite my typical feelings.  I have always been pretty quick mentally, always more energy than time, etc.     Well, anyway, change of insurance required me to get a GP.  First visit he sent me to an ortho for my back.  Found a compression fracture.  Second visit I said now that he figured out what was wrong with my back, could he figure out the rest.  He did a thyroid blood test.  YEP.  Some kind of thyroid problem.  Still waiting for the second blood test results to determine treatment.  He has now referred me to a neurologist about the headache.  God, hope we don’t find anything except stress. My point, seemed the Endo had trouble seeing me as anything but a diabetic.  Even though thyroid problem is also a metabolic disorder, and endos specialize in metabolic disorders, he still didn’t catch it.  My new endo, a woman doc, also didn’t put the symptoms together.  It was the GP, because he was looking at the whole picture. I have had endos as my GP for most of my 26 years as a diabetic.  This is the first time I have a regular GP.  I hate insurance and what they put us through.  But, boy, am I glad for this change. Oh, I discussed changing from NPH to Ultra with the GP.  He said he thought it would be a great idea.  As a matter of fact, he was surprised I was still using NPH.  So, starting tonite, I am making the change. Judy

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Alice: I think we had the exact same problem.  I was just using tunnel vision assuming the endos could only concentrate on the diabetes (guess because it is all the experience I have).  Sorry for being single minded. But the problem still remains.  Why do endos not view the whole picture? Especially since the metabolic things are definitely within their expertise? Maybe we can get a physician to respond.   Judy —— – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My point, seemed the Endo had trouble seeing me as anything but a diabetic. Even though thyroid problem is also a metabolic disorder, and endos specialize in metabolic disorders, he still didn’t catch it.  My new endo, a woman doc, also didn’t put the symptoms together.  It was the GP, because he was looking at the whole picture. I had exactly the reverse. I was seeing an endo for a thyroid problem, and she totally overlooked the fact that I was excessively thirsty…The GP that I went back to had the attitude that if I still wasn’t feeling well, despite what the thyroid numbers were after treatment, she’d keep testing until she found something. My BG at the time was 350! Alice F

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<<But the problem still remains.  Why do endos not view the whole picture? Especially since the metabolic things are definitely within their expertise? It’s an occupational hazard which I’m sure is not limited to doctors.  I take coumadin, a blood thinning medication, for a heart condition.  The coumadin exacerbated a pre-existing condition in my eye, causing it to bleed profusely, which resulted in all kinds of nastiness.  My retina specialist was very supportive of me doing whatever I could to get off the coumadin, if possible (long, boring story).  My glaucoma specialist was not nearly as eager to see me off the coumadin.  When I asked him why the difference of opinion, he shrugged and said, "well, he’s a retina guy.  He’s totally focused on the health of your retina.  I’m more concerned with your overall health as a function of MY specialty." So I’ve found it extraordinarily useful to have a primary care physician who sort of brings the whole thing together and helps me sort it out. And with diabetes, it’s one of those umbrella illness–easy to shove all those nasty little problems under that umbrella. Wendy

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But the problem still remains.  Why do endos not view the whole picture? Especially since the metabolic things are definitely within their expertise?

I don’t know about endo’s but the nurse practitioner at my endo’s office suggested that my primary care doc check for thyroid problems based on the combination of low hematocrit caused by low iron levels, no energy, and dm.  Since I had a normal results from a thyroid panel 2 years ago and the lack of energy could easily be attributed to the low hematocrit, he might not have run the tests that showed the hypothroid problem. Joanne

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I am really sorry you have to be here but you are very welcome here. You have found the best support group ever. These ladies are amazing!!!!! I don’t know what I would do with out them. Please feel free to e-mail me if you need to talk!!!! Hugs to you! Gina

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We have been TTC since 8/98 *Our Wedding Night* and nothing has happened.

Same exact here. TTC #1 since 8/8/98

20 days after,,, also nothing. You’re not alone!  ,,  ,—, (_,/ _/   _/__/ ,,/_/,,/_/,,,

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.now we have to do all this testing that is not covered by our insurance.  Life sucks right now.

Welcome to the club! IF is not fun, and it is a full time job with endless overtime….. After you get all your testing done, hopefully you will know where to start… Welcome,                        ~*~      Baby     ~*~           Fly My Angels, Fly, High Up In The Sky       And Look Down On Me Every Now And Then         And Know Im Thinking Of You Every Day…

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I just wanted to say welcome to this wonderful place and hoe your strugle with IF is near an end. nadine

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Welcome to the group! I hope your stay here is short! Feel free to post any questions you have. I have learned alot from this newsgroup that the doctors never tell me. Best of luck! Sue

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have been TTC since 8/98 *Our Wedding Night* and nothing has happened. DH just got his sperm test results back, after waiting a whole month before a response from the doctor.  Note*  This was a family doctor.  Who has had 6 or 8 kids of own.  I am not going to go to a family doctor for anymore testing. I’ll leave that to the experts.  Doctor tells DH that he has a good number, but some of the heads are misshapen, {IS THERE A NAME FOR THIS?} and didn’t mention anything about mobility.  He has referred both of us to a fertility specialist at a local hospital.  I haven’t gone for any of my tests yet.  I had them put the thyroid blood test on the very top, cause it does run in my family (my mom has hypo) and my great grandmother had problems with it as well. Hopefully, this will be something that we can treat naturally, I wanted it to all work out perfect and normal.  Both sides of the family have never had any troubles getting pregnant.  Some even got pregnant before getting married.  We decide to wait till we got married and then start a family…now we have to do all this testing that is not covered by our insurance.  Life sucks right now.  I am feeling blue…think I’ll indulge myself in a beer or two this weekend (after not drinking anything alcoholic in about 6 months). 1 or 2 won’t hurt. Maybe it’ll take my mind off of all this.  I look forward to learning more about infertility and meeting new people and making friends.  Feel free to email me Kirsten & Sean TTC #1 since 8/8/98 cycle # 20

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We have been TTC since 8/98 *Our Wedding Night* and nothing has happened.  DH just got his sperm test results back, after waiting a whole month before a response from the doctor.  Note*  This was a family doctor.  Who has had 6 or 8 kids of own.  I am not going to go to a family doctor for anymore testing. I’ll leave that to the experts.  Doctor tells DH that he has a good number, but some of the heads are misshapen, {IS THERE A NAME FOR THIS?} and didn’t mention anything about mobility.  He has referred both of us to a fertility specialist at a local hospital.  I haven’t gone for any of my tests yet.  I had them put the thyroid blood test on the very top, cause it does run in my family (my mom has hypo) and my great grandmother had problems with it as well.  Hopefully, this will be something that we can treat naturally, I wanted it to all work out perfect and normal.  Both sides of the family have never had any troubles getting pregnant.  Some even got pregnant before getting married.  We decide to wait till we got married and then start a family…now we have to do all this testing that is not covered by our insurance.  Life sucks right now.  I am feeling blue…think I’ll indulge myself in a beer or two this weekend (after not drinking anything alcoholic in about 6 months). 1 or 2 won’t hurt.  Maybe it’ll take my mind off of all this.  I look forward to learning more about infertility and meeting new people and making friends.  Feel free to email me Kirsten & Sean TTC #1 since 8/8/98 cycle # 20

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Hi, Mellie! Could you please turn off the html attachment when you post to the ng? Thanks, and good luck to you on your book plans! Carolyne in TX

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Hello Melanie, welcome to the board no one really wants to belong to! I hope your time here will be short. I’m 39 now and we’re ttc for a year now. As you get older you have to fight time. The biological time clock that is your body and the age-clock that doctors and clinics use as criteria in accepting you and how much or what they will do for you. I wish I had started earlier. We’re a very patient and understanding group. Good luck to you and yours. ~JeaNette~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I am new to this board, or any board to be exact.  New because my infertility has put me at a place in my life where I need support from other people, people that know what it’s like.  It is so hard to explain to someone what I am going through when they have no clue what the pain is like.  Now, a little about me. My name is Melanie, I have been married since Nov99 and been ttc since then also. My husband and I are both 21 years old.  PLEASE, don’t think to yourself, "That’s TOO young." We deal with everyone telling us that all the time. Basically, the bottom line is, we don’t do anything now that we wouldn’t without a child.  So, why wait? We are both loving, caring people that work full-time and support ourselves, we are not partying people.  We both want to have a child very much.  My family constantly tells me that I am so young, live life first.  Well, I want my life to be lived as a mother.  As, a family. I live in Iowa with my husband where he has lived his whole life.  I was born and raised in Northern Minnesota.  I have no family here, just in-laws.  I have had many difficulties with them, that’s why I don’t have family here.  I see my family maybe twice a year. My first visit to the specialist was Jan 19.  It was just a first visit.  I then had blood work done Jan.30 and my husbands sperm was also sent in.  The sperm analysis came back great.  My blood work came back great, except one thing, which doesn’t effect fertility.  My cholesterol is bad.  Just need to start watching out for myself, and exercising. I went back to have my yearly exam done Feb. 20 and at that time I had my period and had just had it two and a half weeks before that.  They still wanted me to come in, to talk about what’s going on.  Well, they ended up doing the exam anyway, and decided that I should go on Clomid. So, I started my first dosage that night.  It was $50 for 5 pills.  I doubt that I will be able to continue this for much longer, we can not afford to do this, expecially since they up the dosage each month which would mean up the price.  Hopefully my RE will approve me to take the generic version.  By the time I got my prescription filled the office was closed and I needed my pill that night so I just got the Clomid.  I will find out more next time.  But hopefully, there will be no next time.  :-) I am going through some tremendous emotional and mental times and really have no one to talk to about this.  All I need is someone to help me with this, someone to talk to that knows what I’m feeling. Please help…

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Hi Melanie, I am Melanie too! DH and I have been TTC’ing for about 4 1/2 years and I am 23…so you can probably figure that age thing out. I started fertility drugs when I was 20. I have had 2 surgeries for endometriosis, 7 rounds of Clomid and one failed IUI.Believe me I know what you are talking about when you speak of emotionally being worn out. I am sooo tired, emotionally and physically but still I tread on hoping for my miracle. If you ever need a person to cry and vent to please feel free to e-mail me. I am a ton of freakin books and have been trying for a while….so if you have any questions please ask. Take care and God bless,     Melanie P.S. I have started thinking about writing a book on the emotional struggle of infertility since I cant seem to find any thing on it out there. If any one would like please send me your feelings and experiences. I am very serious about this. I am a writer and think this could be an excellent source of information for women who are TTC. Thank you all.

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Melanie Welcome, I hope you’re stay here is short. I completely understand about the age and fertility issues. I’m 25 and have already gone through so much Melissa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I keep thinking to myself, who would have ever thought that by the age of 21 I would be taking any kind of fertility drugs? Hello I am new to this board, or any board to be exact.  New because my infertility has put me at a place in my life where I need support from other people, people that know what it’s like.  It is so hard to explain to someone what I am going through when they have no clue what the pain is like.  Now, a little about me. My name is Melanie, I have been married since Nov99 and been ttc since then also. My husband and I are both 21 years old.  PLEASE, don’t think to yourself, "That’s TOO young." We deal with everyone telling us that all the time. Basically, the bottom line is, we don’t do anything now that we wouldn’t without a child.  So, why wait? We are both loving, caring people that work full-time and support ourselves, we are not partying people.  We both want to have a child very much.  My family constantly tells me that I am so young, live life first.  Well, I want my life to be lived as a mother.  As, a family. I live in Iowa with my husband where he has lived his whole life.  I was born and raised in Northern Minnesota.  I have no family here, just in-laws.  I have had many difficulties with them, that’s why I don’t have family here.  I see my family maybe twice a year. My first visit to the specialist was Jan 19.  It was just a first visit.  I then had blood work done Jan.30 and my husbands sperm was also sent in.  The sperm analysis came back great.  My blood work came back great, except one thing, which doesn’t effect fertility.  My cholesterol is bad.  Just need to start watching out for myself, and exercising. I went back to have my yearly exam done Feb. 20 and at that time I had my period and had just had it two and a half weeks before that.  They still wanted me to come in, to talk about what’s going on.  Well, they ended up doing the exam anyway, and decided that I should go on Clomid. So, I started my first dosage that night.  It was $50 for 5 pills.  I doubt that I will be able to continue this for much longer, we can not afford to do this, expecially since they up the dosage each month which would mean up the price.  Hopefully my RE will approve me to take the generic version.  By the time I got my prescription filled the office was closed and I needed my pill that night so I just got the Clomid.  I will find out more next time.  But hopefully, there will be no next time.  :-) I am going through some tremendous emotional and mental times and really have no one to talk to about this.  All I need is someone to help me with this, someone to talk to that knows what I’m feeling. Please help…

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I keep thinking to myself, who would have ever thought that by the age of 21 I would be taking any kind of fertility drugs? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I am new to this board, or any board to be exact.  New because my infertility has put me at a place in my life where I need support from other people, people that know what it’s like.  It is so hard to explain to someone what I am going through when they have no clue what the pain is like.  Now, a little about me. My name is Melanie, I have been married since Nov99 and been ttc since then also. My husband and I are both 21 years old.  PLEASE, don’t think to yourself, "That’s TOO young." We deal with everyone telling us that all the time. Basically, the bottom line is, we don’t do anything now that we wouldn’t without a child.  So, why wait? We are both loving, caring people that work full-time and support ourselves, we are not partying people.  We both want to have a child very much.  My family constantly tells me that I am so young, live life first.  Well, I want my life to be lived as a mother.  As, a family. I live in Iowa with my husband where he has lived his whole life.  I was born and raised in Northern Minnesota.  I have no family here, just in-laws.  I have had many difficulties with them, that’s why I don’t have family here.  I see my family maybe twice a year. My first visit to the specialist was Jan 19.  It was just a first visit.  I then had blood work done Jan.30 and my husbands sperm was also sent in.  The sperm analysis came back great.  My blood work came back great, except one thing, which doesn’t effect fertility.  My cholesterol is bad.  Just need to start watching out for myself, and exercising. I went back to have my yearly exam done Feb. 20 and at that time I had my period and had just had it two and a half weeks before that.  They still wanted me to come in, to talk about what’s going on.  Well, they ended up doing the exam anyway, and decided that I should go on Clomid. So, I started my first dosage that night.  It was $50 for 5 pills.  I doubt that I will be able to continue this for much longer, we can not afford to do this, expecially since they up the dosage each month which would mean up the price.  Hopefully my RE will approve me to take the generic version.  By the time I got my prescription filled the office was closed and I needed my pill that night so I just got the Clomid.  I will find out more next time.  But hopefully, there will be no next time.  :-) I am going through some tremendous emotional and mental times and really have no one to talk to about this.  All I need is someone to help me with this, someone to talk to that knows what I’m feeling. Please help…

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Hello I am new to this board, or any board to be exact.  New because my infertility has put me at a place in my life where I need support from other people, people that know what it’s like.  It is so hard to explain to someone what I am going through when they have no clue what the pain is like.  Now, a little about me. My name is Melanie, I have been married since Nov99 and been ttc since then also. My husband and I are both 21 years old.  PLEASE, don’t think to yourself, "That’s TOO young." We deal with everyone telling us that all the time. Basically, the bottom line is, we don’t do anything now that we wouldn’t without a child.  So, why wait? We are both loving, caring people that work full-time and support ourselves, we are not partying people.  We both want to have a child very much.  My family constantly tells me that I am so young, live life first.  Well, I want my life to be lived as a mother.  As, a family. I live in Iowa with my husband where he has lived his whole life.  I was born and raised in Northern Minnesota.  I have no family here, just in-laws.  I have had many difficulties with them, that’s why I don’t have family here.  I see my family maybe twice a year. My first visit to the specialist was Jan 19.  It was just a first visit.  I then had blood work done Jan.30 and my husbands sperm was also sent in.  The sperm analysis came back great.  My blood work came back great, except one thing, which doesn’t effect fertility.  My cholesterol is bad.  Just need to start watching out for myself, and exercising. I went back to have my yearly exam done Feb. 20 and at that time I had my period and had just had it two and a half weeks before that.  They still wanted me to come in, to talk about what’s going on.  Well, they ended up doing the exam anyway, and decided that I should go on Clomid. So, I started my first dosage that night.  It was $50 for 5 pills.  I doubt that I will be able to continue this for much longer, we can not afford to do this, expecially since they up the dosage each month which would mean up the price.  Hopefully my RE will approve me to take the generic version.  By the time I got my prescription filled the office was closed and I needed my pill that night so I just got the Clomid.  I will find out more next time.  But hopefully, there will be no next time.  :-) I am going through some tremendous emotional and mental times and really have no one to talk to about this.  All I need is someone to help me with this, someone to talk to that knows what I’m feeling. Please help…

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I don’t seem to be having any trouble getting pregnant.  I have a problem keeping it after six weeks.  What really scares me is everytime I find out that I’m pregnant, I count the days down to the misscarriage.  The doctors are now telling me that I have a heart shaped (something like a bicornuate) uterus.  

Have they also checked your progesterone level to make sure you are producing enough hormone to sustain the pregnancy?   This diagnosis you received is not the end of your quest for a baby…it just means you will have to be monitored more and you should be with an ob/gyn that handles high risk pregnancies.   We all understand your heartbreak.  I recently suffered a chemical pregnancy myself (a miscarriage before 6 weeks) and I now know first-hand what it is like to try so hard and then lose this precious gift.  Please don’t give up.  I’m sure you will get many answers to this posting from women who share your pain and frustration. Best wishes to you and good luck =) Best Wishes To All Who Pass Through This Newsgroup And Fertile Thoughts! Patti Age 25 Primary male and female IF Getting off the IF rollercoaster Persuing Adoption

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Thanks, Patti. Yes my levels are ok…..they just tell me that with the abnormal shape it doesn’t implant itself properly and that’s why I lose it. Melanie

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Melanie, There are doctors who specialize in recurrent miscarriage…perhaps someone here can recommend one.   Also, I think you need to determine if your uterus is septate or truly bicornuate…they are different…..and sometimes it can be difficult to differentiate between the two with an hsg. If it is septate, I believe it might be correctable via surgery.  Not sure about bicornuate.  Again, hopefully someone here will have some personal experience to share with you.  I strongly suggest  you get a second, more qualified, medical opinion….it seems your gyn hasn’t been much help.  Take care and good luck! -Kay

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Patti Age 25 Primary male and female IF Getting off the IF rollercoaster Persuing Adoption

Patti, I guess that I missed a post somewhere.  I applaude you for your adoption pursuit.  My DH and I are also on the adoptive parents list whilestill doing the IF stuff.  Hopefully one or the other will come thru soon.  It gets soooooo discouraging. Stacie ectopic 12-96 adoption fell thru 03-98 miscarriage 07-98 currently waiting 2 cycles before trying again (doc’s orders)

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I just wanted to say that finding these sites have been like having a prayer answered.  I sat here and read the thousands of messages that got downloaded and cried, simply becasue for the first time, I felt that I had people out there that really understood what was going on through my head.  None of my friends get it, because they are all out there having babies.  I try not to be resentful but sometimes I find myself angry at them for giving their husbands and themselves, something that I can’t.   I am currently dealing with my husbands son being excited because his mother is about to have a baby.  It tears me up to know that his ex-wife gave him a child and now she is going on to give her new husband a child.  It is so hard to stay excited for my stepson.       At any rate, this is my story.  My husband and I have been trying to have a baby for two years.   And 4 misscarriages later, I am not sure if I want to keep going.  While many of you seem to be on the fertility drugs (and I hope you get wonderful results), I have a different problem.     I don’t seem to be having any trouble getting pregnant.  I have a problem keeping it after six weeks.  What really scares me is everytime I find out that I’m pregnant, I count the days down to the misscarriage.  The doctors are now telling me that I have a heart shaped (something like a bicornuate) uterus.  They are telling me that being able to carry the baby to term will forever be a hit or miss situation.    I would truely appreciate any help from someone that has been through this similar problem or just has some helpful information in general. Thanks, Melanie Ps….I will keep my fingers crossed for everyone.

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Okay, I went to my obgyn today for my annual checkup.  Showed him the lump on left labia and said, "sure enuf, it’s an infected gland, i.e. a sebaceous cyst.    He gave me Cipro, an antibiotic to take and if it isn’t disapearing by next week he wants to take it off.  He said he routinely does this in the office, and didn’t seem very concerned about it.  I told him how yucky I’ve been feeling with PMS ALOT, and he did a hormone levels blood test and a thyroid blood test to see where I am (today, anyway).  I’m much relieved to know what the lump is! Thanks for your responses and I’ll keep you posted. — Colette, tr…@one.net

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I am happy for you, because I can just imagine the relief you must be feeling!  JackieJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Colette wrote:

Okay, I went to my obgyn today for my annual checkup.  Showed him the lump on left labia and said, "sure enuf, it’s an infected gland, i.e. a sebaceous cyst.    He gave me Cipro, an antibiotic to take and if it isn’t disapearing by next week he wants to take it off.  He said he routinely does this in the office, and didn’t seem very concerned about it.  I told him how yucky I’ve been feeling with PMS ALOT, and he did a hormone levels blood test and a thyroid blood test to see where I am (today, anyway).  I’m much relieved to know what the lump is! Thanks for your responses and I’ll keep you posted. — Colette, tr…@one.net

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Okay, I went to my obgyn today for my annual checkup.  Showed him the lump on left labia and said, "sure enuf, it’s an infected gland, i.e. a sebaceous cyst.    He gave me Cipro, an antibiotic to take and if it isn’t disapearing by next week he wants to take it off.  He said he routinely does this in the office, and didn’t seem very concerned about it.  I told him how yucky I’ve been feeling with PMS ALOT, and he did a hormone levels blood test and a thyroid blood test to see where I am (today, anyway).  I’m much relieved to know what the lump is! Thanks for your responses and I’ll keep you posted. — Colette, tr…@one.net

You must be very relieved. I’m glad you had it checked, and even happier that the news was so good. Terri

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Colette wrote: him how yucky I’ve been feeling with PMS ALOT, and he did a hormone levels blood test and a thyroid blood test to see where I am (today, anyway).

        Thanks for the update and I am glad you had this lump checked out. Moist tissue has a lot of glands in it so this is not at all unusual. And now you know.         It will be interesting to see what you MD says about your "hormone levels" because as far as I know, there are no meaningful standards against which to measure them. Keep checking and keep reading about the information he passes on to you. This time more than ever it is necessary to self-educate yourself and not feel rushed into unwarranted drug supplementation.           Have you read the website for this newsgroup yet. It is loaded with excellent information collected from women who have struggled with the some of the same problems you are facing. (www.oxford.net/~tishy/)         Do you do any relaxation exercises? Do you do any physical exercise? Massages? Journal writing? Group therapy work? Those can also help boost your coping mechanisms and will serve you well for the rest of your life. Yoga has been recommended as an answer for "mood swings."  What non-drug life style alternatives you learn to help with PMS will surely help you weather menopause as well. Best wishes. shelly

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Hi, I was diagnosed with MS earlier this year, first MRI came back with 4  abnormalities, then in September it came back with 2 more.  From Feb. to  September a total of 6.  Really didn’t make me happy.  Also in September I was  diagnosed with an over active thyroid.  Both problems have some of the same  symptoms such as tremors, cold, attacks the immune system.  I was just  wondering if anybody else has had this problem.  Thanks.

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Yep. Well, my thyroid has a high level of certain thyroid antibodies which generally indicate that something is going to go wrong at some point soon. I also have a slight goitre apparently. My mother also had an overactive thyroid and MS. Not sure what that means though in so far as how they’ll affect one another. Please keep me posted on how things go for you. I’ll have to go back to my endocrinologist at some point for another thyroid blood test just to see how the levels are so I’ll let you know if I find anything about how they’re related. Best wishes, Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Hi, I was diagnosed with MS earlier this year, first MRI came back with 4 abnormalities, then in September it came back with 2 more.  From Feb. to September a total of 6.  Really didn’t make me happy.  Also in September I was diagnosed with an over active thyroid.  Both problems have some of the same symptoms such as tremors, cold, attacks the immune system.  I was just wondering if anybody else has had this problem.  Thanks.

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Two sites for you all one hyper one hypo. http://www.medicinenet.com/mainmenu/encyclop/ARTICLE/Art_H/HYPOTHYR.htm http://www.medicinenet.com/mainmenu/encyclop/ARTICLE/Art_H/hyperthy.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Loads of other information http://www.mentalhealth.com/drugrs/p33-i02.html http://www.infomed.org/pharma-kritik-e/pk95_10e.html http://www.familyinternet.com/mhc/top/001867.htm http://www.thyroid.org/patient/brochur3.htm http://www.dpcweb.com/newsltr/fall_1996/thyroid.html <Thyroid antibodies http://www.thyrolink.com/prod/sunovo.htm http://www.aboutwomen.com/linkpages/thyroid.htm<< Womens Thyroid Center http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/medicine/thyroid/thy_test.html <Thyroid Function Tests http://www.kfshrc.edu.sa/annals/154/94271/94271.html<Thyroid Study in Kuwait http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/dec_96/wang.htm<Sports Medicine Graves Disease http://www.wellweb.com/THYROID/OVERVIEW.HTM<Thyroid Overview http://www.thyrolink.com/thyint/5-95int2.htm<Hyperthyroid Study http://rain-tree.com/clinicb.htm#BA1<This site has a strange study in Brazil where a large population have developed goiters? http://www.thyroid.org/patient/brochur2.htm<Thyroid Problems in the Elderly http://www.cma.ca/e-pubs/digest/0115_2e.htm<Subclinical Thyroid Disease in the Elderly http://biomedcs.biomed.brown.edu/RIMedicine/595KAHN1.TXT<Good site explaining how the bone loss is most likely due to eostrogen dificiency rather than thyroid replacement. http://www.medicinenet.com/mainmenu/encyclop/ARTICLE/Art_H/hyperthy.htm< What is Hyperthyroidism? http://www.thyrolink.com/thyint/thyint.htm<Thyroid International Journal loads of reports. http://nuc-med-read.uthscsa.edu/williams/NucMed/thy08.htm<Nuclear Medicine http://www.nejm.org/publicM/1996/0334/0004/0220/1.htm<< A study in to Graves treatment with T4 aswell (says useless in so many words) http://205.216.138.179/research/research.html<Research http://www.nejm.org/publicM/1996/0334/0004/0265/1.htm<Surpressing Graves still an Elusive goal http://www.aace.com/guidelines/thyroid_guide.html<AACE guide to treating thyroid disease. http://www.inciid.org/immune.html<Would intrest those who are pregnant or trying to get pregnant http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/peds/pidl/endocr/hyperthy.html<Treatment of Children http://www.medstudents.com.br/endoc/endoc3.htm<What the student are taught about Hypo http://www.thyrolink.com/gland/gla296c.htm,Treating Grave (low doses) http://www.amwa-doc.org/thyroid.html<Women and Thyroid disease (American Womens medical Association) http://amanda.uams.edu/other/nuclear/nicki.html<Drug indications http://wrt.syr.edu/wrt/classes/405/gr/students/mawh/thyroid.html<Thyroid Disease in pregnancy  http://nuc-med-read.uthscsa.edu/williams/NucMed/THY05.HTM<Thyrotoxicosis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Everybody!! 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Hi Robert, I was at an Endocrinologist this week.  He also said that people with MS do  have problems with their thyroid from time to time.  He didn’t give me any  medication, just said what he might give me.  He drew some blood though.  I’m  just at the point where I’m so tired of all the blood work so far and I know  they will end up doing more.  I should be hearing from this guy soon.  Thing  is he doesnt’ want to see me now for 3 more months.   My mom has an under active thyroid for the past 40 years.  I was warned that if  they give me the radiation treatment that could happen to me as well.  Seem  like I’m going downhill each time I see any kind of Dr. The Endocrinologist told me that since they both affect the immune system that  is how they are connected.  They both have some common symptoms so it’s hard  to tell which one is "attacking" me.  When I saw my Primary Care Dr. yesterday  I asked if I’m ever going to feel better.  He smiled and said "one day" yet  here I’m going on my 11th week of being home from work. Thanks for taking the time to write to me.  Take care Shar.

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Jenny, I must admit that’s a new one on me, but I’m a little intrigued (and  will try to check it out in my medical texts–I’m a renegade ex-pre-med). When  you say a temp below 97.6, which part of your cycle are you basing that on,  pre-ovulation or post? I mean, I’ve had pre-ov temps as low as 96.8, and my  average is about 97.4 (these are taken as I awake in the AM before getting out  of bed), and rarely rises as high as 98.6 even post-ov. But I"ve always had  regular periods, pretty much (although I used to have much more variation in  length than I do now). I’ve had some of the other symptoms, but by no means  all (and as you pointed out, they’re kinda broad!). I’d be interested, though,  to know about the temps questions–Sue

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Dear Friends: I am new to this group and have a question. I was diagnosed with PCOS and am not happy with my options.  My mother-in-law  was diagnosed with PCOS 25 years ago and they told her she’d never have  children.  She decided to adopt and took the newly adopted baby to the the  doctor and he asked why she adopted and she told him.  He suggested she try  Thyroid Hormone Therapy based on her basel body temperature NOT those stupid  blood tests.  Anyway, she did and got pregnant 3 months later and had 6 more  subsequent pregnancies  (5 living). My question is:  Have any of you heard of or are you being treated for Wilson’s  Syndrome?    This is the list of symptoms:  Fatique, headaches and migraines,  PMS, irritability, fluid retention, anxiety and panic attacks, hair loss,  depression, decreased memory and concentration, low sex drive, unhealthy  nails, low motivation and ambition, constipation, easy weight gain, irritable  bowel syndrome, dry skin and hair, insomnia, hives, asthma, allergies, brittle  nails, slow healing, heat and/or cold intolerance, acne, carpel tunnel syndrom  and others….to name a few.  Now, obviously, you don’t have to have all of  these symptoms.  I don’t know about you, but I have many of these symptoms  along with my PCOS.  Wilson’s Syndome is based solely on the thyroid FUNCTION.   This is how it’s explained to me. There are 2 types of thyroid hormones:  T3  and T4.  The thyroid gland makes T4 (this is what the TSH blood test shows)  but in order for the thyroid to FUNCTION it has to convert into T3.  If the  basel body temperature is low, it doesn’t convert, therefore the thyroid is  not functioning properly.  So the thyroid blood test could say that yes, all  is well, but they are not testing for the function of the conversion process.   The active thyroid hormone is T3 and it has four times more activity than the  raw material T4.   Apparently, A MAJOR STRESS in your life is what triggers  the "conservation" process the thyroid goes into.  There are any number of  stresses in our lives that could cause this. Now, I tell you all this because I found an Orthomolecular doctor who is going  to treat me with T3.  He says he believes my periods should return.  (I  haven’t had a period in 3 years.)  He said I have the classic symptom of  Wilson’s Sydrome:  a basel body temperature of lower than 97.6 degrees.  I  start the medication tomorrow and I will let you all know what happens.  Its  kind of a complicated process because you have to build it up and then come  back down and whatever dosage causes your temperature to sit at 98.6 that’s  the dosage.  Its a cycle of 21 days.  Research shows that there ar no  side-effects and usually it only takes 2 cycles of T3 (cytomel) to  "kick-start" the tyroid conversion and you don’t have to take it anymore. If your basel temperature is lower than 97.6 ask your doctor about Wilson’s  Syndome.  Warning:  my so-called expert reproductive endocrinologist (2 of  them to be exact) didn’t have a clue what it was. Now again, I ask, have any of you tried this treatment and if so, what was the  outcome? Sorry, this was so long. Jenny

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