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Thanks for the feedback, all. If you don’t mind sharing, are you all doing Atkins, South Beach, or another lo-carb plan; and is one generally preferable over the other? So far, I’m cool with South Beach–I’m just curious to hear what else is out there. Also, this is a dumb question but is it OK to donate blood while on a low-carb plan?

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Thanks for the feedback, all. If you don’t mind sharing, are you all doing Atkins, South Beach, or another lo-carb plan; and is one generally preferable over the other? So far, I’m cool with South Beach–I’m just curious to hear what else is out there. Also, this is a dumb question but is it OK to donate blood while on a low-carb plan?

The majority of people on this newsgroup are doing Atkins, but others follow South Beach, Protein Power, Carbohydrate Addicts Diet, Neanderthin and several others.  Some stay lowcarb all the time, others incorporate cycles where they eat more carbs (usually the weightlifters, but not exclusively). Donating blood is fine on lowcarb.  I’ve donated many times while on lowcarb and never had any problems with the donation.  If you are looking to stay lowcarb without a "day off", however, I would recommend that you bring some lowcarb snacks for AFTER the donation. All most places will offer you is fruit juices, cookies, donuts and such.  If you have some string cheese or a chicken breast you can make the nurses reasonably happy.  They =will= have water, drink that or bring some diet drink of your own.  Mind you, they can’t force you to eat or drink the sugar – you can simply refuse if you wish.  But drinking a pint of water and eating a snack is definitely recommended.

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My thyrod was removed years ago and I’m taking synthroid .  As you I was afraid of the effect of the medicament in loosing weight. Until now, I’ve lost 10 pds in the first 15 days. Isiar

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You can find old newsgroup discussions on this newsgroup by using Google Groups Advanced Search.  http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en Type in "alt.support.diet.low-carb" in the "Newsgroup" field. — Jenny 168.5/140.5/138.5 Third Goal 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month *  Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * NEW! Exercise Starting from Zero

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’m new to the boards, so forgive me if someone else has already asked this question. My hubby and I just started the South Beach diet and so far, we’re sticking to it. I’m also getting back into exercising, which I abandoned for a long time while we were moving from WA and also moving into our new house. However, I have hypothyroidism (which I’ve been diagnosed as having for the past five years), and since then, I’ve always found it especially difficult to lose weight, even with regular checkups and Synthroid. This is the first time my hubby and I have tried a low-carb diet, much less a diet at all, and I’m wondering if anyone out there has hypothyroidism and has had any success in losing weight going the low-carb route. I’m a little worried that the weight might come off more slowly than usual (or–horrors–not at all!) because it doesn’t even really feel like I’m on a diet…except (and I’ve lamented this to both my husband and here) for the Starbuck’s mochas and glasses of wine I’m missing for the first (torturous) two weeks of Phase I. Thanks in advance, Kam

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Kam I’m hyPo too..yes it can be slow but from what I’ve read, low carb diets work great for hypo’s….another great place to look for information on that is http://thyroid.about.com Mary Shomon is a great thyroid health advocate and has written several books on the subject.  There is also a very supportive news group called alt.support.thyroid. Theresa

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I’m new to the boards, so forgive me if someone else has already asked this question. My hubby and I just started the South Beach diet and so far, we’re sticking to it. I’m also getting back into exercising, which I abandoned for a long time while we were moving from WA and also moving into our new house. However, I have hypothyroidism (which I’ve been diagnosed as having for the past five years), and since then, I’ve always found it especially difficult to lose weight, even with regular checkups and Synthroid. This is the first time my hubby and I have tried a low-carb diet, much less a diet at all, and I’m wondering if anyone out there has hypothyroidism and has had any success in losing weight going the low-carb route. I’m a little worried that the weight might come off more slowly than usual (or–horrors–not at all!) because it doesn’t even really feel like I’m on a diet…except (and I’ve lamented this to both my husband and here) for the Starbuck’s mochas and glasses of wine I’m missing for the first (torturous) two weeks of Phase I. Thanks in advance, Kam

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Hi all, I’m new to the boards, so forgive me if someone else has already asked this question. My hubby and I just started the South Beach diet and so far, we’re sticking to it. I’m also getting back into exercising, which I abandoned for a long time while we were moving from WA and also moving into our new house. However, I have hypothyroidism (which I’ve been diagnosed as having for the past five years), and since then, I’ve always found it especially difficult to lose weight, even with regular checkups and Synthroid.

My wife, as of week 3, had lost 21 pounds. She’s on 1215mcg of Synthroid daily. Seems to be working in her case.

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I’m hypothyroid.  I’ve been losing weight slowly, but I am losing weight.   Yvonne 287/258/130 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all, I’m new to the boards, so forgive me if someone else has already asked this question. My hubby and I just started the South Beach diet and so far, we’re sticking to it. I’m also getting back into exercising, which I abandoned for a long time while we were moving from WA and also moving into our new house. However, I have hypothyroidism (which I’ve been diagnosed as having for the past five years), and since then, I’ve always found it especially difficult to lose weight, even with regular checkups and Synthroid. This is the first time my hubby and I have tried a low-carb diet, much less a diet at all, and I’m wondering if anyone out there has hypothyroidism and has had any success in losing weight going the low-carb route. I’m a little worried that the weight might come off more slowly than usual (or–horrors–not at all!) because it doesn’t even really feel like I’m on a diet…except (and I’ve lamented this to both my husband and here) for the Starbuck’s mochas and glasses of wine I’m missing for the first (torturous) two weeks of Phase I. Thanks in advance, Kam

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Hi all, I’m new to the boards, so forgive me if someone else has already asked this question. My hubby and I just started the South Beach diet and so far, we’re sticking to it. I’m also getting back into exercising, which I abandoned for a long time while we were moving from WA and also moving into our new house. However, I have hypothyroidism (which I’ve been diagnosed as having for the past five years), and since then, I’ve always found it especially difficult to lose weight, even with regular checkups and Synthroid. This is the first time my hubby and I have tried a low-carb diet, much less a diet at all, and I’m wondering if anyone out there has hypothyroidism and has had any success in losing weight going the low-carb route. I’m a little worried that the weight might come off more slowly than usual (or–horrors–not at all!) because it doesn’t even really feel like I’m on a diet…except (and I’ve lamented this to both my husband and here) for the Starbuck’s mochas and glasses of wine I’m missing for the first (torturous) two weeks of Phase I. Thanks in advance, Kam

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Well you learn something new every day!!!  Thanks for the links Carol — Val [take one away to email] 168/166/140-NYC http://www.geocities.com/brimfasthouse/ Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising every time we fail – Confucius

My friend Liz answered as follows: Carol,                                            There is new concern about the

negative effects of soy products,                                            especially the isoflavons.

Evidence indicates that the isoflavons                                            actually inhibit calcium

absorption and vitamin D production in the                                            body.                                            If you have any autoimmune

problems like thyroid dysfunction you might like                                            to check out                                            ABOUT THYROID DISEASE                                            From Mary Shomon, your Guide to Thyroid Disease                                            http://thyroid.about.com                                             follow links  downside of soy                                            to

http://thyroid.about.com./cs/soysdownsides/index.htm                                            to find a  few articles about

Soy’s Negative Impact on The Thyroid                                             Information on the negative

effects that overconsumption of soy                                             foods and isoflavones can have

on thyroid health and function,                                            including soy baby formula for infants.                                             The Downsides and Thyroid

Dangers of Soy Products                                             The risk that soy products have

for adults with thyroid disease,                                             and particularly for infants on

soy formulas, is discussed,                                             including how much soy is safe to eat.                                             Interview: Larrian Gillespie, MD on Wt. Loss &                                             Menopause Larrian Gillespie, MD

talks about how women with thyroid                                              problems should eat in order to

lose weight, the  menopause/thyroid                                            relationship, the controversial

use of soy foods, and exercise.                                             Soy Online Service Best of the

Net The web’s best, most in-depth                                            scientific discussion and

evidence of the negative health effects of soy                                            products.                                             Soy, Thyroid and Menopause Information Center                                             In-depth look at the connections

between soy products and thyroid                                            problems, including journal

research references.                                              Concerns Regarding Soybeans

Discusses issues regarding soybeans, and the                                            safety of these products,

including the benefits of fermented soy products.                                              [Rheumatic Diseases Website]                                            You should find these articles

give a bit more info of the dangers of soy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is that Carol? — Be wary of soy products if you have thyroid problems. — Diva "There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."  Eleanor Roosevelt

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My friend Liz answered as follows: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –                                            There is new concern about the negative effects of soy products,                                            especially the isoflavons.  Evidence indicates that the isoflavons                                            actually inhibit calcium absorption and vitamin D production in the                                            body.                                            If you have any autoimmune problems like thyroid dysfunction you might like                                            to check out                                            ABOUT THYROID DISEASE                                            From Mary Shomon, your Guide to Thyroid Disease                                            http://thyroid.about.com                                             follow links  downside of soy                                            to                                            http://thyroid.about.com./cs/soysdownsides/index.htm                                            to find a  few articles about Soy’s Negative Impact on The Thyroid                                             Information on the negative effects that overconsumption of soy                                             foods and isoflavones can have on thyroid health and function,                                            including soy baby formula for infants.                                             The Downsides and Thyroid Dangers of Soy Products                                             The risk that soy products have for adults with thyroid disease,                                             and particularly for infants on soy formulas, is discussed,                                             including how much soy is safe to eat.                                             Interview: Larrian Gillespie, MD on Wt. Loss &                                             Menopause Larrian Gillespie, MD talks about how women with thyroid                                              problems should eat in order to lose weight, the  menopause/thyroid                                            relationship, the controversial use of soy foods, and exercise.                                             Soy Online Service Best of the Net The web’s best, most in-depth                                            scientific discussion and evidence of the negative health effects of soy                                            products.                                             Soy, Thyroid and Menopause Information Center                                             In-depth look at the connections between soy products and thyroid                                            problems, including journal research references.                                              Concerns Regarding Soybeans  Discusses issues regarding soybeans, and the                                            safety of these products, including the benefits of fermented soy products.                                              [Rheumatic Diseases Website]                                            You should find these articles  give a bit more info of the dangers of soy. Why is that Carol? — Be wary of soy products if you have thyroid problems.

– Diva "There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."  Eleanor Roosevelt

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Why is it that men lose weight faster than women.  Or is it because maybe he has more to lose than me?  I don’t understand, I think that we are eating the exact same stuff.  Please help!!

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Hi Heather, Why is it that men lose weight faster than women.  Or is it because maybe he has more to lose than me?  I don’t understand, I think that we are eating the exact same stuff.  Please help!!

  I think that it is because of several reasons: 1.  Men don’t traditionally diet, so when they go on their first diet, they     lose more weight.  It is a part of diet lore that yo-yo dieting (women do     this more often) leads to successively smaller, slower, weight losses on     each interval of dieting. 2.  Men don’t have periods!

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There is another reason.  Women are naturally prone to store body fat in preparation for both child birth and then breast feeding.  It is much easier for a woman to gain weight and more difficult for her to lose the weight. That said, I wish *I* was one of the men who supposedly had to so easy! -Kevin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Heather, Why is it that men lose weight faster than women.  Or is it because maybe he has more to lose than me?  I don’t understand, I think that we are eating the exact same stuff.  Please help!!   I think that it is because of several reasons: 1.  Men don’t traditionally diet, so when they go on their first diet, they     lose more weight.  It is a part of diet lore that yo-yo dieting (women do     this more often) leads to successively smaller, slower, weight losses on     each interval of dieting. 2.  Men don’t have periods!

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Because we are superior losers!! (please no nasty comments necessary ladies)…..  by the way isn’t this the lady who "only" lost 14 lbs in 2 weeks?? — Sinrod Studios http://members.aol.com/JKSinrod/sinrod.html Coney Island Memories http://members.aol.com/JKSinrod/page4.html

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In addition to the reasons already mentioned, most men have more muscle mass than most women, so they burn more calories at rest. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Correction, men have periods, but not the water retention  ;-) HJ 245199145 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2.  Men don’t have periods!

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BTW, even though you are eating the same foods, unless you weigh exactly the same, and eat the exact same amounts, and drink the exact same amount of water…that is irrelevant. Don’t get bummed out comparing your loss to his, or to anyone on this group – especially if it is demotivating you.  We each lose at different rates, but in the end, we all LOSE! HJ 245199145 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it that men lose weight faster than women.  Or is it because maybe he has more to lose than me?  I don’t understand, I think that we are eating the exact same stuff.  Please help!!

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Muscle mass burns calories; men have proportionately greater muscle mass than women; ergo, higher basal metabolic ratios.  Yes, they tend to burn off the fat faster, all *else* being equal (thyroid health, level of Insulin Resistance, etc etc). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, even though you are eating the same foods, unless you weigh exactly the same, and eat the exact same amounts, and drink the exact same amount of water…that is irrelevant. Don’t get bummed out comparing your loss to his, or to anyone on this group – especially if it is demotivating you.  We each lose at different rates, but in the end, we all LOSE! HJ 245199145 Why is it that men lose weight faster than women.  Or is it because maybe he has more to lose than me?  I don’t understand, I think that we are eating the exact same stuff.  Please help!!

– ICQ 4120171 seaDrake    196[30.7%] 157[24.5%] 150[ % ?]    1998.07.13

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They cheat too…when they shave their legs and backs they lose 5 LBS right there.:)

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Hi Jeanine, Hypothyroidism is a very poorly diagnosed and treated condition. Conventional treatment relies almost always on synthetic (T4) hormone, which often does not really get the job done, since it is the T3 component that is about 9 times more active in the body. Despite what you may read in many ‘alternative’ texts, the condition can be diagnosed and treated precisely, and there are two simple blood tests that will reveal the true picture of hypothyroidism in all cases. The key is to check the Free T3 and Free T4 hormone levels and basing treatment on the results. For information on the effective medical treatment of this condition, check out: http://www.galaxymall.com/health/nutrnl_mtblc/report1a.html I believe was hypothyroid for about a year after developing a ‘chronic fatigue syndrome’ type of condition – don’t know for sure since I never had the proper tests run. Then after having my mercury fillings removed my metabolism normalized and my body (warmed up). Then it fell again but fortunately I was under the care of Dr. Dommisse who was able to treat the condition precisely. At this time the gland seems to have healed and I haven’t taken any medication for a few months now. Probably big factors in my gland working again, were, besides the period I was on medication allowing the gland to ‘rest’ and heal were likely a pure, mostly raw foods diet, adequate protein and regular exercise. Hope this is helpful!

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I have just joined this news group.   Forgive me if I’m asking questions that have already been answered, brought up, discussed, whatever but I didn’t know where to start. Recently, I was diagnosed with hypOthyroidism.  Of course, I was put on a medication, Synthroid (Eltroxin, etc., and whatever other generic name you may have for it).  I was told absolutely nothing about it except "you’ll have to be on this for the rest of your life".

Three family members were diagnosed with hypothyroid so I was tested a few years ago. Results were negative though I do have many of the symptoms. These symptoms tie in with other problems that I do have. There is a newsgroup alt.support.thyroid which is helpful and supportive. I pass on articles to family members. One person there who is very knowledgeable sent me a list of sites. I can send them to you if you like. Those mentioned most in the newsgroup are: http://thyroid.miningco.com/ A good resource on thyroid problems including many links to other pages  which are worth following up. http://www.personal.u-net.com/~my4tune/itg.htm A site by the British Thyroid Support Group which aims to provide information concerning thyroid disorders and the connection with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. http://www.endocrineweb.com/Welcome.html This claims to be the Largest web site for Thyroid, Parathyroid, Adrenal, and Pancreas disorders. It contains good explanations of how the endocrine system functions. Let me know if you would like more. Kadee

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Three family members were diagnosed with hypothyroid so I was tested a few years ago. Results were negative though I do have many of the symptoms. These symptoms tie in with other problems that I do have.      Thank you for those sites Kadee. I was recently diagnosed with Hypothroidism. My blood test were OK but it seems they are not always accurate.       My Doc finally had me take my temp 3 times a day for two weeks. Once first thing in the morning, mid afternoon and just before bed. I never take my temp,  but I found that for the whole two weeks my temp was around 96 to 97. One day it was 98.1 and my doc said that was me probably having a fever! <g Have you ever tried taking your temp? Lyme Disease Foundation:   http://www.lyme.org Lyme Disease Network of NJ:   http://www.lymenet.org Lyme Alliance: http://www.lymealliance.org Lyme Resource: http://x-l.net/Lyme/ LymeTruth: http://www.Lymetruth.org/

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It’s a shame you weren’t told more about your condition.   You probably should be assessed by an endocrinologist. Some thoughts.– With your high ESR, you could well have an autoimmune thyroid condition, which has destroyed thyroid tissue and made you hypothyroid (deficient production of thyroid hormones). The arm symptoms could well be due to a carpal tunnel syndrome, which is more common in hypothyroidism. The lipid and cholesterol changes could well be due to the hypothyoidism. The thyroxine (Synthroid) will NOT cause thinning of the bones unless you take too much, and this can be easily monitored by checking your TSH. Hypothyroidism can be a serious illness,  and, assuming you do not have a temporary variety due to an acute thyroiditis (an endocrinologist will find this out),  or a very mild form, you are running serious risks if you do not take thyroxine (Synthroid) for the rest of your life, regardless of anything anyone may tell you on this newsgroup..  It is a wholly "natural" hormone of exactly the same chemical composition  as one that your thyroid gland produces, and replaces what you are missing. If your doctor appeared off-hand it is probably because this is bread and butter stuff, and he assumed you understood more than you do.  The weight gain, sluggishness and arm symptoms would or should have tipped him/her off, and perhaps this is why he/she tested your TSH, which was the crucial test. Peter Moran

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I have some information about hypothyroidism and more general information about mainting and possibly restoring thyroid health. If you’d like me to send you this information ( via e-mail ), let me know and I’ll make sure that you get a copy. I’ll send the information to anyone who sends me an e-mail request for it. The information is eductional and noncommercial in nature. " Truth is what stands the test of experience. "                            Albert Einstein   1950

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I have just joined this news group.   Forgive me if I’m asking questions that have already been answered, brought up, discussed, whatever but I didn’t know where to start. Recently, I was diagnosed with hypOthyroidism.  Of course, I was put on a medication, Synthroid (Eltroxin, etc., and whatever other generic name you may have for it).  I was told absolutely nothing about it except "you’ll have to be on this for the rest of your life". Now, before I go on, please note that I am in the hospital environment.  I work for a neurologist and I see patients daily with shopping bags filled with RX’s for various DX’s, usually one pill to offset something that reacts to another and a whole scenario of drug-drug interactions questions fills my brain, but, I’m only a medical secretary.  I don’t question it (out loud). When I myself realized that I was experiencing symptoms of too much fat in my blood, getting a bit overweight, feeling sluggish, on and on, and after telling my GP about my aching arms and sore feet and all sorts of things which i’d been attributing to menopause (I’m in my 50’s), the GP more or less agreed that I’m not getting enough exercise and get an electromyographical test along with nerve conduction studies (which was done by the neurologist I work for) and then we’ll go back to the drawing board.  No cholesterol ratio, triglycerides, ESR, nothing was requested.  A TSH was done though and it was on the upper limits of normal back in March, this year.   I had the EMG … I was dx’d with "repetitive strain syndrome" and given an NSAID and told to get a night splints all of which was TOTALLY USELESS.  I thought about ergonomics and purchased a gel-like wrist rest … the aching arms sort of subsided but I still had then and still have problems lifting stuff and there are other muscular type of aching but that’s beside the point. When nobody seemed to worry about the forearm aching, I took it upon myself to start looking in other directions and obtained a blank blood req. and ticked off various elements including fasting cholesterol, LDL,HDL ratio, ESR, TSH, hemoglobin and a few other things … I learned my cholesterol was through the roof .. apparently the "good" cholesterol was within normal limits though but the ESR was elevated to nearly 60.  I have a history of high ESR now since my 20’s anyway so I’m not bothered, plus, from what I’ve heard, ESR can bounce around and it "really doesn’t mean anything" according to TWO GP’s I brought this up to during the course of a conversation in the elevator one da. When I brought the results to my GP, she said that diet would most likely fix this which it did (but it ain’t easy let me tell you).  I began to go back to the butter and the fried stuff and in a few weeks, up it shot again and the Triglycerides are WAY WAY up … also, during some of this blood work, the TSH was extremely elevated and that’s when I got the Synthroid Rx’d to me. SOOOO, the bottom line is, yesterday, after seeing another GP because my regular one moved to the USA to pursue some other avenue of medicine, and learning absolutely NOTHING about this thyroid thing, I started to read up on it and I nearly fell away in a dead faint when I read that thyroid replacement therapy can cause BONE LOSS!!!!  That led me to more reading and to Wilson’s Syndrome web site and on to more "ALTERNATIVE" methods and … well …    HERE I AM!!! A friend has been pounding into my head for years that proper nutrition is the ONLY way to avoid, cure, help and maintain your body.  I have always thought him to be over-reactive and taking too many vitamins but I’m getting back into them.  I even have my husband who thinks the ONLY diet is cake and whipped cream on vitamins, off the booze and walking the dog … BUT, I am concerned about this Synthroid stuff I take and since I have to take it "for the rest of my life", is there some alternative to this besides KELP which I don’t believe is enough. I also have a gallbladder problem (had an ultra sound a year ago which revealed a ‘gravel pit’) but so far, it’s more or less asymptomatic.  I used to get discomfort (like a band across the middle) after a greasy meal but I don’t get "attacks" per se.  I’ve read where you can use oil, lemon juice and whatever to pass the stones but I’m not brave enough to try it.  Besides, I’m concerned about this medication I’m on more than the stones right now and being in this profession, I have noticed that people who come to the office with stroke-like symptoms and carotid artery stenosis have ALL had their gall bladders out. Given that stones are usually cholesterol-built, I’ve often wondered if, when the bladder is removed, does the cholesterol then go straight to the arteries????  Food for thought. I would appreciate any advice, comments, and help from anyone with this thyroid type of condition.  I also don’t fully understand hypER and hypO since some doctors have told me you can get a goiter from EITHER ???? jeannine (from the old Port Credit Zoo BBS)

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Hello!!  I was wondering if anyone has had my problem.  I am 33 years old with a history of 17 (yes that is the #) miscarriages.  I have now been diagnosed with Hashimotos thyroiditis as the culprit.  My tsh level was 14.2.  What is normal?  I am now on .1 mgs of synthroid a day.  Has anyone ever heard of carrying a baby to full term after something like I have?  I do have 1 8 year old boy, and had a full term still born 5 years ago.  Help anyone!!!!!!!
– Mary Ann Ashby

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You may want to visit Dr. Andrew Weil’s site ( www.drweil.com ). He featured a column about thyroid disorders a few days ago. Also, I’ve found a fine article about thyroid health recently online. If you’d like me to send you a link to that article, let me know. I can quite easily e-mail it to you if you’re interested. " Truth is what stands the test of experience. "                            Albert Einstein   1950

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Hello!!  I was wondering if anyone has had my problem.     I am 33 years old with a history of 17 (yes that is the #) miscarriages.     I have now been diagnosed with Hashimotos thyroiditis as the culprit.  My tsh level was 14.2.  What is normal?  I am now on .1 mgs of synthroid a day.  Has anyone ever heard of carrying a baby to full term after something like I have?  I do have 1 8 year old boy, and had a full term still born 5 years ago.  Help MA:

  Iodine is not synthesized by the body, hence, it you have elevated levels, something in your life style may an ususual source.  You may wish to investigate this in more detail.  Having a detailed health assessment and dietary analysis would be a worthwhile effort.  Incidentally, much has been published about H. T. and its purported link to elevated intake of iodine. Sincerely, T. Watkins

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Hello!!  I was wondering if anyone has had my problem.  I am 33 years old with a history of 17 (yes that is the #) miscarriages.  I have now been diagnosed with Hashimotos thyroiditis as the culprit.  My tsh level was 14.2.  What is normal?  I am now on .1 mgs of synthroid a day.  Has anyone ever heard of carrying a baby to full term after something like I have?  I do have 1 8 year old boy, and had a full term still born 5 years ago.  Help anyone!!!!!!!
– Mary Ann Ashby

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You may want to visit Dr. Andrew Weil’s site ( www.drweil.com ). He featured a column about thyroid disorders a few days ago. Also, I’ve found a fine article about thyroid health recently online. If you’d like me to send you a link to that article, let me know. I can quite easily e-mail it to you if you’re interested. " Truth is what stands the test of experience. "                            Albert Einstein   1950

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Hello!!  I was wondering if anyone has had my problem.     I am 33 years old with a history of 17 (yes that is the #) miscarriages.     I have now been diagnosed with Hashimotos thyroiditis as the culprit.  My tsh level was 14.2.  What is normal?  I am now on .1 mgs of synthroid a day.  Has anyone ever heard of carrying a baby to full term after something like I have?  I do have 1 8 year old boy, and had a full term still born 5 years ago.  Help MA:

  Iodine is not synthesized by the body, hence, it you have elevated levels, something in your life style may an ususual source.  You may wish to investigate this in more detail.  Having a detailed health assessment and dietary analysis would be a worthwhile effort.  Incidentally, much has been published about H. T. and its purported link to elevated intake of iodine. Sincerely, T. Watkins

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: efforts and it shows. : YMMV tho- : rosie Okay.  Thanks.   K in Cali

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have found, through experience, that being conservative and cautious is the only way for me! YMMV tho- rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you quote your source, as I have, so that others can benefit?  I do have another source on herbs that does not indicate that black cohosh is an abortifacient (it does include these types of warnings)  but that it does help ease childbirth.  And how is this *info* "potentially dangerous"? Honestly Rosie you think everything is potentially dangerous, ESPECIALLY when I am the one writing about it. K in Cali : dear K- : i know that you are just trying to be helpful here and i am sure everyone : appreciates it, as i do! : using carlson wade’s info and passing it out to others is wonderful, but : : as an example: : : BLACK COHOSH-should never be taken by anyone who might be pregnant, until : birth is imminent, as it can induce labor. : those with blood pressure problems should be warned that this herb can : reduce their blood pressure and when used in conjunction with other : medication, could be dangerous. : while this herb seems to be  good for arthritis, it should never be used in : the presence of chronic disease. : : rosie : : : : : : : : Note: the dosing for kelp to help a sluggish thyroid is 1/2 teaspoon a : day as a seasoning.  There are other herbs listed to help nourish the : thyroid if anyone is interested. : : Of course we want to see the other herbs… <g : : Dave : : 225/213/170 : : Low Carbing since 6/2/98 : : Your wish and all that: : : From "Natural enrgy Boosters" by Carlson Wade p 102 : : "Considered ‘natural medicines’, some herbs have the concentrated power to : revitalize your thyroid with an abundant source of iodine and other : nutrients to take up the slack of malnourishment.  The most effective : herbs : are the following: : : Bayberry.  Improves metabolism and help rev up a sluggish circulation : while nourishing your thyroid. : Black Cohosh. Helps balance hormonal flow so that nutrients are able to : nourish the thyroid and boost enrgy potential. : Goldenseal. Alerts and energizes your glandular system and helps to : balance thryoxin secretion owing to the presence of two : constituents-berberine and hydrastine. : : The herbs are available at any herbal pharmacy or health store.  A small : amount daily (flavorful as tea) will go a long way toward providing a : natural energy booster to your thyroid." : : In this book the author gives several examples of (western) folks who have : had their enrgy levels improved by nourishing their thyroid.  So the : implication is that despite the presence of iodized salt, some folks still : need to take a look at supplements aimed at improving thyroid health. : : K in Cali : : : :

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Could you quote your source, as I have, so that others can benefit?  I do have another source on herbs that does not indicate that black cohosh is an abortifacient (it does include these types of warnings)  but that it does help ease childbirth.  And how is this *info* "potentially dangerous"? Honestly Rosie you think everything is potentially dangerous, ESPECIALLY when I am the one writing about it.   K in Cali : dear K- : i know that you are just trying to be helpful here and i am sure everyone : appreciates it, as i do! : using carlson wade’s info and passing it out to others is wonderful, but : : as an example: : : BLACK COHOSH-should never be taken by anyone who might be pregnant, until : birth is imminent, as it can induce labor. : those with blood pressure problems should be warned that this herb can : reduce their blood pressure and when used in conjunction with other : medication, could be dangerous. : while this herb seems to be  good for arthritis, it should never be used in : the presence of chronic disease. : : rosie : : : : : : : : Note: the dosing for kelp to help a sluggish thyroid is 1/2 teaspoon a : day as a seasoning.  There are other herbs listed to help nourish the : thyroid if anyone is interested. : : Of course we want to see the other herbs… <g : : Dave : : 225/213/170 : : Low Carbing since 6/2/98 : : Your wish and all that: : : From "Natural enrgy Boosters" by Carlson Wade p 102 : : "Considered ‘natural medicines’, some herbs have the concentrated power to : revitalize your thyroid with an abundant source of iodine and other : nutrients to take up the slack of malnourishment.  The most effective : herbs : are the following: : : Bayberry.  Improves metabolism and help rev up a sluggish circulation : while nourishing your thyroid. : Black Cohosh. Helps balance hormonal flow so that nutrients are able to : nourish the thyroid and boost enrgy potential. : Goldenseal. Alerts and energizes your glandular system and helps to : balance thryoxin secretion owing to the presence of two : constituents-berberine and hydrastine. : : The herbs are available at any herbal pharmacy or health store.  A small : amount daily (flavorful as tea) will go a long way toward providing a : natural energy booster to your thyroid." : : In this book the author gives several examples of (western) folks who have : had their enrgy levels improved by nourishing their thyroid.  So the : implication is that despite the presence of iodized salt, some folks still : need to take a look at supplements aimed at improving thyroid health. : : K in Cali : : : :

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dear K- i know that you are just trying to be helpful here and i am sure everyone appreciates it, as i do! using carlson wade’s info and passing it out to others is wonderful, but as an example: BLACK COHOSH-should never be taken by anyone who might be pregnant, until birth is imminent, as it can induce labor. those with blood pressure problems should be warned that this herb can reduce their blood pressure and when used in conjunction with other medication, could be dangerous. while this herb seems to be  good for arthritis, it should never be used in the presence of chronic disease. rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Note: the dosing for kelp to help a sluggish thyroid is 1/2 teaspoon a day as a seasoning.  There are other herbs listed to help nourish the thyroid if anyone is interested. : Of course we want to see the other herbs… <g : Dave : 225/213/170 : Low Carbing since 6/2/98 Your wish and all that: From "Natural enrgy Boosters" by Carlson Wade p 102 "Considered ‘natural medicines’, some herbs have the concentrated power to revitalize your thyroid with an abundant source of iodine and other nutrients to take up the slack of malnourishment.  The most effective herbs are the following: Bayberry.  Improves metabolism and help rev up a sluggish circulation while nourishing your thyroid. Black Cohosh. Helps balance hormonal flow so that nutrients are able to nourish the thyroid and boost enrgy potential. Goldenseal. Alerts and energizes your glandular system and helps to balance thryoxin secretion owing to the presence of two constituents-berberine and hydrastine. The herbs are available at any herbal pharmacy or health store.  A small amount daily (flavorful as tea) will go a long way toward providing a natural energy booster to your thyroid." In this book the author gives several examples of (western) folks who have had their enrgy levels improved by nourishing their thyroid.  So the implication is that despite the presence of iodized salt, some folks still need to take a look at supplements aimed at improving thyroid health. K in Cali

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: Note: the dosing for kelp to help a sluggish thyroid is 1/2 teaspoon a day as a seasoning.  There are other herbs listed to help nourish the thyroid if anyone is interested. : Of course we want to see the other herbs… <g : Dave : 225/213/170 : Low Carbing since 6/2/98 Your wish and all that: From "Natural enrgy Boosters" by Carlson Wade p 102 "Considered ‘natural medicines’, some herbs have the concentrated power to revitalize your thyroid with an abundant source of iodine and other nutrients to take up the slack of malnourishment.  The most effective herbs are the following:         Bayberry.  Improves metabolism and help rev up a sluggish circulation while nourishing your thyroid.         Black Cohosh. Helps balance hormonal flow so that nutrients are able to nourish the thyroid and boost enrgy potential.         Goldenseal. Alerts and energizes your glandular system and helps to balance thryoxin secretion owing to the presence of two constituents-berberine and hydrastine. The herbs are available at any herbal pharmacy or health store.  A small amount daily (flavorful as tea) will go a long way toward providing a natural energy booster to your thyroid." In this book the author gives several examples of (western) folks who have had their enrgy levels improved by nourishing their thyroid.  So the implication is that despite the presence of iodized salt, some folks still need to take a look at supplements aimed at improving thyroid health. K in Cali

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Hey no problem!  An informed patient is the best patient!!  In fact part of the emphasis in many of the physician assistant programs I am considering (these are master’s degree programs) insist that part of the goal to the future of medicine is a pro-active patient.  The more you can do for yourself the better, although one should definitely involve the physician and the entire health care team. K in Cali : Thanx K… : : It was interesting to find out about those foods… guess I’ve been : lucky as I only eat raw cabbage (cole slaw) once in awhile… haven’t : tried the others except turnips, and I won’t even eat those cooked… : yuch!!! : : Thank you… : Susan… :

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Thanx K… It was interesting to find out about those foods… guess I’ve been lucky as I only eat raw cabbage (cole slaw) once in awhile… haven’t tried the others except turnips, and I won’t even eat those cooked… yuch!!! Thank you… Susan…

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Note: the dosing for kelp to help a sluggish thyroid is 1/2 teaspoon a day as a seasoning.  There are other herbs listed to help nourish the thyroid if anyone is interested.

I wonder what that translates to in pill form?  Since iodine is the ingredient we’re really after, what’s the recommend dosage?  Anyone know? Of course we want to see the other herbs… <g Dave 225/213/170 Low Carbing since 6/2/98

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Well there is more info on what NOT to eat with an underactive thyroid, if you are interested?

Did you really need to ask!?! <g Post away…I’m interested if no one else is. Dave 225/213/170 Low Carbing since 6/2/98

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you are so correct! read and post everyday! alt.support.diet.low-carb www.lowcarb.org rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanx K for the info on Kelp… I do have an underactive thyroid and am on medication for it (levothyroxin), and after about 10 years I’ve now been able to tell when the medication’seffects fluctuate… eg. hair loss, cold temp, dry skin and memory loss… as well as a severe craving for salt… This is definitely something I’m going to look into further, to supplement my medication or possibly to replace it… Kelp only supplies iodine, it cannot replace the medication or "stimulate" your thryoid to produce more, unless you are not getting enough iodine. This is highly unlikely in the US, *unless* you are on a very low sodium diet. (Salt has iodine put in it.) This could be why you are craving salt. If this is the case, kelp could be just what you need. Have you had your thyroid tested lately? J — Sometimes I think my brain has a mind of its own. Remove the X to email me.

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I’ve been on med for my thyroid for 10 years now and wasn’t aware that there were foods I should avoid… I am very interested to have more info about this…

Yes!  I’ve just forwarded this to my husband’s e-mail account.  He’s bee struggling with his thyroid for the last five years, and I know this will be of interest to him.                    - Karen –    http://members.ultracom.net/karens/  (please leave out the potatoes to e-mail)

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: Thanx K… : : I’ve been on med for my thyroid for 10 years now and wasn’t aware that : there were foods I should avoid… I am very interested to have more : info about this… : : Thanx again… : Susan.. Disclaimer: Just a note that this is from a book called "Natural Energy Boosters" by Carlson Wade and is not intended as medical advice. NEB p.99 Certain foods block the absorption of Iodine into the thyroid gland *when eaten raw and in large quantities*, namely brussel sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, kale, spinach and turnips. . . if you have thyroid difficulties it is best to eat them cooked.  Of course, with sufficient iodine over a period of time, your thyroid should be adequately nourished so that these foods may be eaten, in small amounts, if desired." Note: the dosing for kelp to help a sluggish thyroid is 1/2 teaspoon a day as a seasoning.  There are other herbs listed to help nourish the thyroid if anyone is interested. K in Cali Stacking Atkid  

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Thanx K… I’ve been on med for my thyroid for 10 years now and wasn’t aware that there were foods I should avoid… I am very interested to have more info about this… Thanx again… Susan…

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Hi… I read in a herbal book on time that craving salt is a sign that the thyroid is not producing at a normal level… up to that point I had never assoiciated the two things… Yes, my doctor has me get tested every 6 months… I was taking 0.15 mg levothyroxin daily up until I got pregnant, it was then increased to 0.2 mg and has stayed there since (over 2 years)… Susan…

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Thanx K for the info on Kelp… I do have an underactive thyroid and am on medication for it (levothyroxin), and after about 10 years I’ve now been able to tell when the medication’seffects fluctuate… eg. hair loss, cold temp, dry skin and memory loss… as well as a severe craving for salt… This is definitely something I’m going to look into further, to supplement my medication or possibly to replace it…

Kelp only supplies iodine, it cannot replace the medication or "stimulate" your thryoid to produce more, unless you are not getting enough iodine. This is highly unlikely in the US, *unless* you are on a very low sodium diet. (Salt has iodine put in it.) This could be why you are craving salt. If this is the case, kelp could be just what you need. Have you had your thyroid tested lately? J — Sometimes I think my brain has a mind of its own. Remove the X to email me.

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: This is definitely something I’m going to look into further, to : supplement my medication or possibly to replace it… : : Thanx again… : Susan… You are very welcome.  I really enjoy *alternative* and *traditional* options to wellness when they are suitable. Well there is more info on what NOT to eat with an underactive thyroid, if you are interested? K in Cali

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: thanks K– knew Kelp was supposed to be good diet supplement but couldn’t remember why— old timers is setting in big time  :).   Hope you have a great day…Richie :: You’re welcome just doing what I can to share info with all my buds. K in Cali

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I did plan to check it out thoroughly before jumping into something new… but still a good point Rosie… thanx  :-) Susan

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be sure to research the addition of KELP with the levothyroxin you are taking! and discuss this with your doctor. read and post everyday! alt.support.diet.low-carb www.lowcarb.org rosie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanx K for the info on Kelp… I do have an underactive thyroid and am on medication for it (levothyroxin), and after about 10 years I’ve now been able to tell when the medication’seffects fluctuate… eg. hair loss, cold temp, dry skin and memory loss… as well as a severe craving for salt… This is definitely something I’m going to look into further, to supplement my medication or possibly to replace it… Thanx again… Susan…

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Thanx K for the info on Kelp… I do have an underactive thyroid and am on medication for it (levothyroxin), and after about 10 years I’ve now been able to tell when the medication’seffects fluctuate… eg. hair loss, cold temp, dry skin and memory loss… as well as a severe craving for salt… This is definitely something I’m going to look into further, to supplement my medication or possibly to replace it… Thanx again… Susan…

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BLACK COHOSH-should never be taken by anyone who might be pregnant, until birth is imminent, as it can induce labor.

Where did you read this? I have more than one herbal reference that lists it as emmenogogue, but none that list it as abortifacient or oxytocic. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Could you quote your source, as I have, so that others can benefit?  I do have another source on herbs that does not indicate that black cohosh is an abortifacient (it does include these types of warnings)  but that it does help ease childbirth.  And how is this *info* "potentially dangerous"? Honestly Rosie you think everything is potentially dangerous, ESPECIALLY when I am the one writing about it. K in Cali

See the following web sites/pages regarding advice/warnings/cautions/contra- indications about using this herb if/when/whilst pregnant: http://www.onhealth.com/harts/chest/drugs/htm/blackco.htm http://www.viable-herbal.com/1bcohosh.htm http://www.mothernature.com/Family/EcoShop/black.htm http://well-being.com/earthen-scents/html/b/blkcoho.htm (according to this site, apparently the whole Canadian Government warns that it should not be used during pregnancy and, since the Canadian Government is emminently sensible, this bears serious consideration) http://ncnatural.com/wildflwr/cohosh.html http://www.alternative-medicines.com/herbdesc/1bcohosh.htm Almost everything *is* potentially dangerous, particularly people who believe that something is not.

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Dear Tricia, Here is the info I promised.    It is from "Today’s Herbal Health" <THHby Louise Tenney (1983), "Natural Health Secrets From Around The World" <NHS edited by G. Geelhoed, MD., R Willix, JR, MD., and J Barilla, MD. (1994) and "Natural Energy Boosters" <NEB by Carlson Wade (1993). From NHS "The iodine in kelp nourishes the thyroid gland and ensures normal body metabolism and good blood circulation." (123) ". . . kelp is full of minerals, particularly iodine.  Hair loss is one of the earliest manifestations of hypothyroidism, which is caused by too little iodine in the body." (135) "If taken over a long period of time, the iodine in kelp stimulates the thyroid gland, which regulates metabolism.  The Japanese also use kelp to restore energy.  Kelp is often used in their daily diets." (180). "Kelp contains iodine, a metabolic booster. Oriental women use kelp, not only to step up metabolism, but also as a natural diuretic to get rid of the excess water weight and bloating associated with menstruation." (211) From THH "Kelp is a good promoter of glandular health.  It controls the thyroid and regulates the metabolism which helps digest food.  Kelp has the reputation of speeding up the burning of excess calories by controlling the body’s metabolism and is helpful in the nourishment of the body with its ability to stimulate metabolism.  It contains all the minerals considered vital to health.  It even contains a small amount of lecithin.  Kelp has a benficial effect on many disorders of the body.  It is called the sustainer of the nervous system and brain, helping the brain to function normally.  It is essential during pregnancy. Kelp contains nearly 30 minerals.  It is rich in iodine, calcium, sulphur and silicon." (81). From NEB QUICK SELF-TEST FOR THYROID ENERGY "To test yourself for an underactive thyroid, keep a thermometer by your bed one night.  Upon awakening  next morning, place the thermometer under your arm.  Let it remain for 15 minutes.  Keep absolutely quiet.  Any motion can disturb your temperature reading.  If the reading is 97.6 F, you may have an underactive thyroid.  Keep a log.  Take the readings for one week.  If the figures are below 97.6 F over a period of time, see your health practitioner." (98) Hope this helps, K in Cali Stacking Atkid

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thanks K– knew Kelp was supposed to be good diet supplement but couldn’t remember why— old timers is setting in big time  :).   Hope you have a great day…Richie

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Thanks K in Cali I printed it out and will look into that book or magazine….. Tricia "Rae" 158/144/120 "The price of hating other human beings is loving oneself less"        - Author Unknown –

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