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But I don’t remember anyone regaining 50% of their loss, while still following the same eating plan and/or same calorie deficit.
Rudy, I remember people trying to discuss this subject, although maybe not with a 50% gain, and pretty much being hooted off the board. So…how do we KNOW if anyone has experienced it or not? I don’t have access to the original post anymore but it seems to me that the original poster asked if anyone else had experienced a similar occurrance…and so far, I haven’t seen any other long-term lowcarbers answer that question. But, I’ll continue to watch this thread. <G Lynne http://www.ellaxiak.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Long ago I read a book called the rotation diet which explained how the body adjusts to a low calorie diet and how to fix that – by eating not low calorie for some period of time. Perhaps for some folks thats true of Low Carb too, perhaps their bodies are able to adapt –
Beth, That’s true of just about anybody….the human physiology has the amazing ability to adapt to all sorts of things. But…here’s some rhetorical-hypothetical type questions <G: Will the body adapt to lowcarbing over the long-haul so that the much of the weight is regained without a change in the diet? Are the majority of lowcarbers willing to continue to focus vast amounts of emotional energy on diet and body shape for the rest of their lives, to prevent regain? btw, I wouldn’t call this a ‘problem’ with lowcarbing as much as I’d call it a problem with ANY long-term weight reduction effort. Lynne http://www.ellaxiak.com
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I think what seems to happen frequently on the NG is that we go for the obvious problems first (mainly because they seem to be the answer 90% of the time), and only after a lot of back and forth do we end up seeing the whole picture. Its easy to see where that would cause a lot of frustration to the person asking for help (especially if their problem falls into the other 10%).
Rudy, I also think people answer questions they want to answer, rather than the questions asked. Heck, ya’ get what ya’ pay for! <VBG Lynne http://www.ellaxiak.com
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Playing off Nina’s lead here. I very rarely whoo-hoo because whoo-hoos don’t really mean much TO ME. The huggy, touchy feelie, froo-froo sweety sweety stuff is more of a turn off FOR ME so I usually block those threads. I like tackling the "nothing is improving my lipid profile" threads. Juicy science, drug-herbal interactions and"why sip oil" is more satisfying but also require more time and interaction with the questioner than a WTG, you go girl or whoohoo. But hey, diversity is what it’s all about innit? Lee Rodgers The Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org ======= I can speak only for myself, but I haven’t had a lot of time these days. I wasn’t a big Whoo-Hoo poster, and usually prefer to asnwer stall/newbie questions. HOwever, those questions take more time than a whoo-hoo. Does that make sense? Cheers, Nina
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cheat occasionally when I go out to eat with friends or watch football with my buddies. And I have to keep in mind that I was 158 when I graduated college about 30 years ago. I play competitive tennis 3 times a week and am healthy as a horse. And I have been able to completely go off my arthritis medication since switching to LC. So I have a lot to be grateful for and will continue this path.
Michael, Sounds like you’re very active. Have you had bodyfat % checked? There may be a positive change in body composition. Have you returned to Atkin’s induction to jettison some of the 10 pounds? tia, Lynne http://www.ellaxiak.com
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Hi Beth, I realise that i must have been or must be annoying with my posts and their content. I know that my case is different than most and i totally understand why i sometimes didn’t get any or very few posts. I only used myself as an example of why stalling newbies should not be ignored.
The other issue, Ibi, is that sometimes we just don’t know the answer. I have been LCing for over a year and a half now. The last six months I have hit a nasty stall. I have the benefit of having an honest-to-goodness brilliant LC Guru at my disposal and even he can’t figure it out. Unfortuantely there isn’t always an answer. The Body is still a myserious thing. Best, Nina
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As I mentioned, I started at 178, dropped to 158 after one year and am back to 168. While the 50% reversal is significant, it is not as dramatic as if I started off at 300, dropped to 150 and reversed to 225.
It was the 50% number that stuck in my head and not the 10 lbs. number. From reading your message it seems that you’ve done what a lot of people (myself included) do over time, not follow some guidelines as strictly as we did in the beginning. In my case that involves the amount of calories taken in — I’ll do too much, on too few calories, and slow down my metabolism. And I have been able to completely go off my arthritis medication since switching to LC. So I have a lot to be grateful for and will continue this path.
That’s great, being healthy is more important than what a scale says, IMHO. I just wanted to hear about the experiences of others who have been doing this for some time and have gone through the ups and downs of this unique lifestyle. I’m always interested in different ways to tweak my WOE to improve the results. Thanks. Michael
I’ll offer what usually works for me in getting back on track, and that’s to log your intake and energy output. It can be a real eye opener sometimes to find out that you’re taking in too many carbs, too few calories, too little water, etc. However what was touched on in the other messages of this thread is the fact that a lot of us can go through periods of time doing everything as perfect as possible and still not get the expected result. Most of the time that happens with people who have been l-c for some time — although as Ibi will confirm, that’s not always the case. Since there really isn’t a lot of long-term research on L-C we really should try as a group to be our own research subjects and compare notes. Anyway, glad to see that you came back. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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Thanks for all the input, everyone. Having been following LC for two years now, I am well past the Whooo-hoo stage. As I mentioned, I started at 178, dropped to 158 after one year and am back to 168. While the 50% reversal is significant, it is not as dramatic as if I started off at 300, dropped to 150 and reversed to 225. Probably some of the sliding back is due to my not being such a purist anymore. I do cheat occasionally when I go out to eat with friends or watch football with my buddies. And I have to keep in mind that I was 158 when I graduated college about 30 years ago. I play competitive tennis 3 times a week and am healthy as a horse. And I have been able to completely go off my arthritis medication since switching to LC. So I have a lot to be grateful for and will continue this path. I just wanted to hear about the experiences of others who have been doing this for some time and have gone through the ups and downs of this unique lifestyle. I’m always interested in different ways to tweak my WOE to improve the results. Thanks. Michael
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You are never annoying just frustrating as hell!! its difficult to have someone doing everything right and not losing – as you well know!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ibi, I can see why you would feel this way – you are one of our most stubborn stallers. I think what has happened in your case is that we gave advice, it was completely followed and you still didn’t lose. No one knew what the heck else to tell you. If someone posts a perfect menu, and a perfect exercise program and says they have been stalled for 6 months, there really isnt’ anything for us to tell them is there? Thats exactly whats happened with you – you followed everyones best advice and it didnt’ work. Other times folks post that they stalled for four days after eating three pounds of almonds, and to be honest I dont’ know if I want to waste my time posting the same advice day after day -cut the dairy, cut the nuts, add more calories – all of this stuff is in the FAQ and in dozens of threads that newbies dont’ bother to read. To be honest, since I believe not every diet works for everyone I have come very close to suggesting you try a different WOE – now that you have lost 25 pounds I am glad I didn’t. — -Beth BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/ Hi Beth, I realise that i must have been or must be annoying with my posts and their content. I know that my case is different than most and i totally understand why i sometimes didn’t get any or very few posts. I only used myself as an example of why stalling newbies should not be ignored. Im not trying to diss this NG on the contrary your the nicest and most helpful bunch of people i know, this is the only aspect of the NG i feel there is room for improvement, im only speaking up for the newbies who have read the books and the FAQs.. whoohoo post are needed but i think that "troubleshooting" is far more important. BTW im glad i didnt quit this WOE either : ) Long ago I read a book called the rotation diet which explained how the body adjusts to a low calorie diet and how to fix that – by eating not low calorie for some period of time. Perhaps for some folks thats true of Low Carb too, perhaps their bodies are able to adapt – and personally I know some bodies WANT to be fat more than others. And Rudy thanks for pointing out that finger pointing thing – I totally agree. i agree with that too, im an old newbie and i remember being on this WOE for a month and saying i hadnt lost a single pound. I was disgusted with one of the replies i got, basically the person TOLD me i wasn’t losing any weight because i didn’t have any weight to lose. I think that there are definitely people on this NG who are happier to say "WhooHoo" that give stallers or newbies advice. This is very important for newbies because LC isn’t recognised by GPs therefore and most of the available info is found on this NG I apologise to the original poster that ive gone off topic, but i have felt this for a long time. — -Beth BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/ So far, whenever this particular issue has been broached (on at least 3 other occasions on the various low-carb groups that I’ve followed) it’s been vehemently denied that it COULD happen that lowcarb loses effectiveness over time. So much so that the original concept is lost under the deluge of denials… I hear what you’re saying, and believe there is a very real problem when we can’t have an open discussion on the possible problems with following a L-C plan. In fact I do believe that strict l-c (actually any BF loss eating plan) can, and often does lose its effectiveness over time for a multitude of reasons — some proven and some not. But my response was to try and zero in on some obvious situations that could have caused the regain. I wish the original poster would add their comments and more information. But I don’t remember anyone regaining 50% of their loss, while still following the same eating plan and/or same calorie deficit. What we have seen here from time to time is that when people start to closely examine their food intake, or maybe energy output in your case, there has been a change. A habit could have developed over time that has caused the regain. Or as I also mentioned a possible loss of LBM that set up the regain due to a reduced metabolic rate. Something that I didn’t address but just occured to me, is that the orginal poster should look into is thyroid/hormone levels. Since that area hasn’t effected me, it wasn’t something that crossed my mind. Someone else should add their input on that area. For the most part, we seem to fall back into the ‘blame the victim’ modus operandi, which does no one here any good, least of all the long-term lowcarbers. That’s the last thing that I would want to do, since so many of us have suffered under the following finger pointing — "you just need to exercise more," "you just need more will power," "just eat less," yada, yada, yada… we don’t need that here as well. Is the original poster still there? Feel free to contact me directly via email if you like. Just remember to remove the Z. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at:
http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Long ago I read a book called the rotation diet which explained how the body adjusts to a low calorie diet and how to fix that – by eating not low calorie for some period of time. Perhaps for some folks thats true of Low Carb too, perhaps their bodies are able to adapt – and personally I know some bodies WANT to be fat more than others. And Rudy thanks for pointing out that finger pointing thing – I totally agree. i agree with that too, im an old newbie and i remember being on this WOE for a month and saying i hadnt lost a single pound. I was disgusted with one of the replies i got, basically the person TOLD me i wasn’t losing any weight because i didn’t have any weight to lose. I think that there are definitely people on this NG who are happier to say "WhooHoo" that give stallers or newbies advice. This is very important for I can speak only for myself, but I haven’t had a lot of time these days. I wasn’t a big Whoo-Hoo poster, and usually prefer to asnwer stall/newbie questions. HOwever, those questions take more time than a whoo-hoo. Does that make sense? Cheers, Nina
Yep, Nina it does make sence and you do help newbies a great deal especially with exercise advice.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Long ago I read a book called the rotation diet which explained how the body adjusts to a low calorie diet and how to fix that – by eating not low calorie for some period of time. Perhaps for some folks thats true of Low Carb too, perhaps their bodies are able to adapt – and personally I know some bodies WANT to be fat more than others. And Rudy thanks for pointing out that finger pointing thing – I totally agree. i agree with that too, im an old newbie and i remember being on this WOE for a month and saying i hadnt lost a single pound. I was disgusted with one of the replies i got, basically the person TOLD me i wasn’t losing any weight because i didn’t have any weight to lose. I think that there are definitely people on this NG who are happier to say "WhooHoo" that give stallers or newbies advice. This is very important for
I can speak only for myself, but I haven’t had a lot of time these days. I wasn’t a big Whoo-Hoo poster, and usually prefer to asnwer stall/newbie questions. HOwever, those questions take more time than a whoo-hoo. Does that make sense? Cheers, Nina
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ibi, I can see why you would feel this way – you are one of our most stubborn stallers. I think what has happened in your case is that we gave advice, it was completely followed and you still didn’t lose. No one knew what the heck else to tell you. If someone posts a perfect menu, and a perfect exercise program and says they have been stalled for 6 months, there really isnt’ anything for us to tell them is there? Thats exactly whats happened with you – you followed everyones best advice and it didnt’ work. Other times folks post that they stalled for four days after eating three pounds of almonds, and to be honest I dont’ know if I want to waste my time posting the same advice day after day -cut the dairy, cut the nuts, add more calories – all of this stuff is in the FAQ and in dozens of threads that newbies dont’ bother to read. To be honest, since I believe not every diet works for everyone I have come very close to suggesting you try a different WOE – now that you have lost 25 pounds I am glad I didn’t. — -Beth BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/
Hi Beth, I realise that i must have been or must be annoying with my posts and their content. I know that my case is different than most and i totally understand why i sometimes didn’t get any or very few posts. I only used myself as an example of why stalling newbies should not be ignored. Im not trying to diss this NG on the contrary your the nicest and most helpful bunch of people i know, this is the only aspect of the NG i feel there is room for improvement, im only speaking up for the newbies who have read the books and the FAQs.. whoohoo post are needed but i think that "troubleshooting" is far more important. BTW im glad i didnt quit this WOE either : ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Long ago I read a book called the rotation diet which explained how the body adjusts to a low calorie diet and how to fix that – by eating not low calorie for some period of time. Perhaps for some folks thats true of Low Carb too, perhaps their bodies are able to adapt – and personally I know some bodies WANT to be fat more than others. And Rudy thanks for pointing out that finger pointing thing – I totally agree. i agree with that too, im an old newbie and i remember being on this WOE for a month and saying i hadnt lost a single pound. I was disgusted with one of the replies i got, basically the person TOLD me i wasn’t losing any weight because i didn’t have any weight to lose. I think that there are definitely people on this NG who are happier to say "WhooHoo" that give stallers or newbies advice. This is very important for newbies because LC isn’t recognised by GPs therefore and most of the available info is found on this NG I apologise to the original poster that ive gone off topic, but i have felt this for a long time. — -Beth BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/ So far, whenever this particular issue has been broached (on at least 3 other occasions on the various low-carb groups that I’ve followed) it’s been vehemently denied that it COULD happen that lowcarb loses effectiveness over time. So much so that the original concept is lost under the deluge of denials… I hear what you’re saying, and believe there is a very real problem when we can’t have an open discussion on the possible problems with following a L-C plan. In fact I do believe that strict l-c (actually any BF loss eating plan) can, and often does lose its effectiveness over time for a multitude of reasons — some proven and some not. But my response was to try and zero in on some obvious situations that could have caused the regain. I wish the original poster would add their comments and more information. But I don’t remember anyone regaining 50% of their loss, while still following the same eating plan and/or same calorie deficit. What we have seen here from time to time is that when people start to closely examine their food intake, or maybe energy output in your case, there has been a change. A habit could have developed over time that has caused the regain. Or as I also mentioned a possible loss of LBM that set up the regain due to a reduced metabolic rate. Something that I didn’t address but just occured to me, is that the orginal poster should look into is thyroid/hormone levels. Since that area hasn’t effected me, it wasn’t something that crossed my mind. Someone else should add their input on that area. For the most part, we seem to fall back into the ‘blame the victim’ modus operandi, which does no one here any good, least of all the long-term lowcarbers. That’s the last thing that I would want to do, since so many of us have suffered under the following finger pointing — "you just need to exercise more," "you just need more will power," "just eat less," yada, yada, yada… we don’t need that here as well. Is the original poster still there? Feel free to contact me directly via email if you like. Just remember to remove the Z. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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I think that there are definitely people on this NG who are happier to say "WhooHoo" that give stallers or newbies advice. This is very important for newbies because LC isn’t recognised by GPs therefore and most of the available info is found on this NG
I think what seems to happen frequently on the NG is that we go for the obvious problems first (mainly because they seem to be the answer 90% of the time), and only after a lot of back and forth do we end up seeing the whole picture. Its easy to see where that would cause a lot of frustration to the person asking for help (especially if their problem falls into the other 10%). That’s why I hope the original poster comes back with more information. I went for the most obvious items I felt might have been the problem, maybe without enough information to really go forth on my observations. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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Ibi, I can see why you would feel this way – you are one of our most stubborn stallers. I think what has happened in your case is that we gave advice, it was completely followed and you still didn’t lose. No one knew what the heck else to tell you. If someone posts a perfect menu, and a perfect exercise program and says they have been stalled for 6 months, there really isnt’ anything for us to tell them is there? Thats exactly whats happened with you – you followed everyones best advice and it didnt’ work. Other times folks post that they stalled for four days after eating three pounds of almonds, and to be honest I dont’ know if I want to waste my time posting the same advice day after day -cut the dairy, cut the nuts, add more calories – all of this stuff is in the FAQ and in dozens of threads that newbies dont’ bother to read. To be honest, since I believe not every diet works for everyone I have come very close to suggesting you try a different WOE – now that you have lost 25 pounds I am glad I didn’t. — -Beth BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Long ago I read a book called the rotation diet which explained how the body adjusts to a low calorie diet and how to fix that – by eating not low calorie for some period of time. Perhaps for some folks thats true of Low Carb too, perhaps their bodies are able to adapt – and personally I know some bodies WANT to be fat more than others. And Rudy thanks for pointing out that finger pointing thing – I totally agree. i agree with that too, im an old newbie and i remember being on this WOE for a month and saying i hadnt lost a single pound. I was disgusted with one of the replies i got, basically the person TOLD me i wasn’t losing any weight because i didn’t have any weight to lose. I think that there are definitely people on this NG who are happier to say "WhooHoo" that give stallers or newbies advice. This is very important for newbies because LC isn’t recognised by GPs therefore and most of the available info is found on this NG I apologise to the original poster that ive gone off topic, but i have felt this for a long time. — -Beth BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/ So far, whenever this particular issue has been broached (on at least 3 other occasions on the various low-carb groups that I’ve followed) it’s been vehemently denied that it COULD happen that lowcarb loses effectiveness over time. So much so that the original concept is lost under the deluge of denials… I hear what you’re saying, and believe there is a very real problem when we can’t have an open discussion on the possible problems with following a L-C plan. In fact I do believe that strict l-c (actually any BF loss eating plan) can, and often does lose its effectiveness over time for a multitude of reasons — some proven and some not. But my response was to try and zero in on some obvious situations that could have caused the regain. I wish the original poster would add their comments and more information. But I don’t remember anyone regaining 50% of their loss, while still following the same eating plan and/or same calorie deficit. What we have seen here from time to time is that when people start to closely examine their food intake, or maybe energy output in your case, there has been a change. A habit could have developed over time that has caused the regain. Or as I also mentioned a possible loss of LBM that set up the regain due to a reduced metabolic rate. Something that I didn’t address but just occured to me, is that the orginal poster should look into is thyroid/hormone levels. Since that area hasn’t effected me, it wasn’t something that crossed my mind. Someone else should add their input on that area. For the most part, we seem to fall back into the ‘blame the victim’ modus operandi, which does no one here any good, least of all the long-term lowcarbers. That’s the last thing that I would want to do, since so many of us have suffered under the following finger pointing — "you just need to exercise more," "you just need more will power," "just eat less," yada, yada, yada… we don’t need that here as well. Is the original poster still there? Feel free to contact me directly via email if you like. Just remember to remove the Z. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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Long ago I read a book called the rotation diet which explained how the body adjusts to a low calorie diet and how to fix that – by eating not low calorie for some period of time. Perhaps for some folks thats true of Low Carb too, perhaps their bodies are able to adapt – and personally I know some bodies WANT to be fat more than others. And Rudy thanks for pointing out that finger pointing thing – I totally agree.
i agree with that too, im an old newbie and i remember being on this WOE for a month and saying i hadnt lost a single pound. I was disgusted with one of the replies i got, basically the person TOLD me i wasn’t losing any weight because i didn’t have any weight to lose. I think that there are definitely people on this NG who are happier to say "WhooHoo" that give stallers or newbies advice. This is very important for newbies because LC isn’t recognised by GPs therefore and most of the available info is found on this NG I apologise to the original poster that ive gone off topic, but i have felt this for a long time. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — -Beth BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/ So far, whenever this particular issue has been broached (on at least 3 other occasions on the various low-carb groups that I’ve followed) it’s been vehemently denied that it COULD happen that lowcarb loses effectiveness over time. So much so that the original concept is lost under the deluge of denials… I hear what you’re saying, and believe there is a very real problem when we can’t have an open discussion on the possible problems with following a L-C plan. In fact I do believe that strict l-c (actually any BF loss eating plan) can, and often does lose its effectiveness over time for a multitude of reasons — some proven and some not. But my response was to try and zero in on some obvious situations that could have caused the regain. I wish the original poster would add their comments and more information. But I don’t remember anyone regaining 50% of their loss, while still following the same eating plan and/or same calorie deficit. What we have seen here from time to time is that when people start to closely examine their food intake, or maybe energy output in your case, there has been a change. A habit could have developed over time that has caused the regain. Or as I also mentioned a possible loss of LBM that set up the regain due to a reduced metabolic rate. Something that I didn’t address but just occured to me, is that the orginal poster should look into is thyroid/hormone levels. Since that area hasn’t effected me, it wasn’t something that crossed my mind. Someone else should add their input on that area. For the most part, we seem to fall back into the ‘blame the victim’ modus operandi, which does no one here any good, least of all the long-term lowcarbers. That’s the last thing that I would want to do, since so many of us have suffered under the following finger pointing — "you just need to exercise more," "you just need more will power," "just eat less," yada, yada, yada… we don’t need that here as well. Is the original poster still there? Feel free to contact me directly via email if you like. Just remember to remove the Z. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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Long ago I read a book called the rotation diet which explained how the body adjusts to a low calorie diet and how to fix that – by eating not low calorie for some period of time. Perhaps for some folks thats true of Low Carb too, perhaps their bodies are able to adapt – and personally I know some bodies WANT to be fat more than others. And Rudy thanks for pointing out that finger pointing thing – I totally agree. — -Beth BikeE FX, AT and rans gliss Anchorage, Alaska http://home.gci.net/~dawg/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So far, whenever this particular issue has been broached (on at least 3 other occasions on the various low-carb groups that I’ve followed) it’s been vehemently denied that it COULD happen that lowcarb loses effectiveness over time. So much so that the original concept is lost under the deluge of denials… I hear what you’re saying, and believe there is a very real problem when we can’t have an open discussion on the possible problems with following a L-C plan. In fact I do believe that strict l-c (actually any BF loss eating plan) can, and often does lose its effectiveness over time for a multitude of reasons — some proven and some not. But my response was to try and zero in on some obvious situations that could have caused the regain. I wish the original poster would add their comments and more information. But I don’t remember anyone regaining 50% of their loss, while still following the same eating plan and/or same calorie deficit. What we have seen here from time to time is that when people start to closely examine their food intake, or maybe energy output in your case, there has been a change. A habit could have developed over time that has caused the regain. Or as I also mentioned a possible loss of LBM that set up the regain due to a reduced metabolic rate. Something that I didn’t address but just occured to me, is that the orginal poster should look into is thyroid/hormone levels. Since that area hasn’t effected me, it wasn’t something that crossed my mind. Someone else should add their input on that area. For the most part, we seem to fall back into the ‘blame the victim’ modus operandi, which does no one here any good, least of all the long-term lowcarbers. That’s the last thing that I would want to do, since so many of us have suffered under the following finger pointing — "you just need to exercise more," "you just need more will power," "just eat less," yada, yada, yada… we don’t need that here as well. Is the original poster still there? Feel free to contact me directly via email if you like. Just remember to remove the Z. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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I have been low carbing it for almost two years. At the end of the first year, my weight had dropped from 178 to 158. I felt lean and mean. After the second year, my weight has gone up to 168. So I have regressed 50%. Is this a common pattern over the long run? Reading the messages on this board, most of the posters are relatively new at it and are ecstatic about the initial weight loss. Is there a steady attrition of those who regain weight and get off the bandwagon? Are the positive effects more permanent for those who have a lot of weight to lose? For instance, someone who starts at 300 lbs might go down to 175 and then rebound to 210, and of course be very happy with the results. Just wondering if others are having similar experiences. Thanks for your responses.
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I first did Atkins after college when I went from 144 to 118. I stayed between 115 and 120 for twenty years. It’s only been in the past couple of years that I started to put weight back on and coincided with lowfat eating. I expect to stick with low carb eating forever more once I’m back down to where I want to be. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been low carbing it for almost two years. At the end of the first year, my weight had dropped from 178 to 158. I felt lean and mean. After the second year, my weight has gone up to 168. So I have regressed 50%. Is this a common pattern over the long run? Reading the messages on this board, most of the posters are relatively new at it and are ecstatic about the initial weight loss. Is there a steady attrition of those who regain weight and get off the bandwagon? Are the positive effects more permanent for those who have a lot of weight to lose? For instance, someone who starts at 300 lbs might go down to 175 and then rebound to 210, and of course be very happy with the results. Just wondering if others are having similar experiences. Thanks for your responses.
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After the second year, my weight has gone up to 168. So I have regressed 50%.
Just to be clear… did you stay l-c and gain the weight back? — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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After the second year, my weight has gone up to 168. So I have regressed 50%. Just to be clear… did you stay l-c and gain the weight back? — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
Yes, I have stuck to the same LC WOE. No differences in what I was eating during the periods of weight loss and of the partial weight regain. So it is quite puzzling and disappointing.
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Yes, I have stuck to the same LC WOE. No differences in what I was eating during the periods of weight loss and of the partial weight regain. So it is quite puzzling and disappointing.
That’s very interesting, and I don’t think that we’ve seen anything like your experience here on the NG. Almost everyone who stays l-c keeps the weight off, and the few times that hasn’t been the case the gain has not been dramatic like yours. I will venture two guesses: – The obvious first, your calorie intake changed. You simply consumed more. – At the beginning of your loss (and maybe due to previous dieting attempts) you ate far too few calories, resulting in a LBM loss and a slower metabolism. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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That’s very interesting, and I don’t think that we’ve seen anything like your experience here on the NG. Almost everyone who stays l-c keeps the weight off, and the few times that hasn’t been the case the gain has not been dramatic like yours.
Rudy, Before making any sort of speculations on whether almost everyone who stays l-c keeps the weight off while maintaining the diet, we need to poll those people who’ve maintained lowcarb 2+ years. In my case, I’ve regained about 15 pounds while maintaining lowcarb…but to be fair, the amount of working out that I do has dropped dramatically since I restarted school. I couldn’t keep up with 2 hours 6Xweek. My diet hasn’t changed all that much but it evolved significantly during the weight loss phase so that were very few choices left. So far, whenever this particular issue has been broached (on at least 3 other occasions on the various low-carb groups that I’ve followed) it’s been vehemently denied that it COULD happen that lowcarb loses effectiveness over time. So much so that the original concept is lost under the deluge of denials… For the most part, we seem to fall back into the ‘blame the victim’ modus operandi, which does no one here any good, least of all the long-term lowcarbers. Anyway, I’d like to hear from the long-term lowcarbers, such as Deb C. and whoever else has been lowcarbing 2+ years. Lynne http://www.ellaxiak.com
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So far, whenever this particular issue has been broached (on at least 3 other occasions on the various low-carb groups that I’ve followed) it’s been vehemently denied that it COULD happen that lowcarb loses effectiveness over time. So much so that the original concept is lost under the deluge of denials…
I hear what you’re saying, and believe there is a very real problem when we can’t have an open discussion on the possible problems with following a L-C plan. In fact I do believe that strict l-c (actually any BF loss eating plan) can, and often does lose its effectiveness over time for a multitude of reasons — some proven and some not. But my response was to try and zero in on some obvious situations that could have caused the regain. I wish the original poster would add their comments and more information. But I don’t remember anyone regaining 50% of their loss, while still following the same eating plan and/or same calorie deficit. What we have seen here from time to time is that when people start to closely examine their food intake, or maybe energy output in your case, there has been a change. A habit could have developed over time that has caused the regain. Or as I also mentioned a possible loss of LBM that set up the regain due to a reduced metabolic rate. Something that I didn’t address but just occured to me, is that the orginal poster should look into is thyroid/hormone levels. Since that area hasn’t effected me, it wasn’t something that crossed my mind. Someone else should add their input on that area. For the most part, we seem to fall back into the ‘blame the victim’ modus operandi, which does no one here any good, least of all the long-term lowcarbers.
That’s the last thing that I would want to do, since so many of us have suffered under the following finger pointing — "you just need to exercise more," "you just need more will power," "just eat less," yada, yada, yada… we don’t need that here as well. Is the original poster still there? Feel free to contact me directly via email if you like. Just remember to remove the Z. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm
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James, I know you mean well, but you generalize sometimes and make outlandish statements at times, such as "flu shots don`t work and they make pharmaceutical companies millions of dollars every year". When you make comments like that, expect that people are going to reply with alot of passion. Maybe you need to examine why some people have problems with what you post, it isn`t just what you say but how you say it. What is ironic is that some of the posters disagreeing with you are doctors, some are pdocs. While I found your studies to be interesting, I don`t think they apply to most of us at ASAP. While I believe that every attempt should be made to help us get better, I don`t think polypharmacology should be the *first* choice when seeking help for our disorder. Meds do not come without any risks or side-effects, so the more meds you are on, the more side-effects you will be dealing with. I have seen way too many posters on numerous meds ranging from AD`s, to neuroleptics to know this isn`t an easy solution for people with treatment resistent disorders. But I also believe when someone "proves" to be very resistent to mainstream treatments, then no rock should be left unturned in finding something that will help. There is nothing wrong with a healthy debate, that is how we learn. I remember a few months ago, you had posted about jobs and discrimination, or something like that, and one of the other newsgroups tore you to shreds. I remember feeing very bad for you, you most certainly didn`t deserve to be treated like that. I never saw another post from you again. Maybe some of your defensivenss stems from that painful incident, that is certainly something I can understand. No from ASAP is your enemy. And remember James, just because someone disagree`s with some of the studies you post, it isn`t a put down of "you" as a person. I just wanted to add that we are all equals here, not one person is better than another. Take care!! Jackie ~*~The fragrance always remains in the hand that gives the rose……. 