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Question:

ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just *forgot* that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap.  but i *got* 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i *took* a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day?  am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently.  butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but *saying* Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt — "It is astonishing, really, how many thoroughly mature, well-adjusted grown-ups harbor a teddy bear — which is perhaps why they are thoroughly mature and well-adjusted." — Joseph Lempa

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the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?" coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens *faster*.  badbadbad.  at least without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically.  never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.) in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  *grins*  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  *grins*)  i can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings.  and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up.  and i start dreaming to fall asleep.  And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too. i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know? eh – more later, i guess. jt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p.  Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just *forgot* that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap.  but i *got* 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i *took* a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but *saying* Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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My favorite n*rcolepsy story is a friend of mine who fell asleep while riding an exercise bike at the gym. She woke up after she fell off the bike onto the floor (wasn’t hurt, fell on a mat) and everyone in the room was just staring at her in confusion, unable to figure out what had happened. Apparently no one had ever seen anyone fall asleep while exercising before.  She can’t tell that story without laughing hysterically. I don’t exactly have narcolepsy, but I need 10-12 hours of sleep a night to  be able to function at all. This is highly inconvenient. I work about 50 hours a week, so it is a real pain to have this much need for sleep take away a lot of free time. I don’t like the fact that I have to go to bed extremely early if I want to exercise before work in the morning, and have to go to bed pretty early if I just want to get up to go to work somewhere near on time. It is a pain. So I can relate to the annoyance of sleep problems. -Nancy

Response:

Hi jt – No – you ain’t getting all my sleep, dear, because I have narcoleptic thingies, too. Might be drug-related. But – definitely – if I lie down in the day – gone. And for a long time. Yep – like two plus hours. That’s my nap cycle – kind of an hour on each side, you know? But so far as night sleep goes, when that is working out (and I can’t remember when it did) I need more than any 7 hours  - lots more. I am more toward Nancy’s end of things. 10 hours feels better to me than less – less makes me feel like I want – more. And I definitely will be at keyboard and be sleeping in between trying to read/write posts – sometimes wake up because my head starts tipping back and pulling my whole body backward off the chair. And sometimes I am lying down reading, and I will be falling asleep but still think I am reading – like reading through my eyelids or something. But then why don’t I put the book down and go to sleep? I don’t know – some resistance, even fear to that (no, it isn’t about nightmares – I have so very, very few of them ever, in fact, my dream life is usually lots better than my waking life) – but it’s like – well, anyway, often when I do put the book down and curl up, I wake up more, and have to think. I don’t wanna think. Ever. It hurts to think – too many things to hurt about, esp. at night. Soooooo – book, book, book, as hours grow longer. Sometimes I simply lie book down in lap, snooze for a couple of hours in the propped up reading position – but it isn’t deep sleep. Driving can cause my eyes to cross and my mind to shut down horribly, and all too frequently – though that’s been much better lately. As I think I may have written here, I have had to pull off and go to sleep for an hour or an hour and a half simply to keep from becoming an unfortunate statistic. Your description about chunks of sleep – that is very familiar; and the time of day you mention as your bad time is my worst time – actually, mine can start as early as 2 p.m., but, yeah, the worst is 4-6 p.m. So what do they do for narcolepsy????? What is adderall and what does it do? I take Ritalin in an effort to "kick" me awake and keep me awake – a slow-release and quick release in the a.m., and, if I remember (and who remembers?) another quick release at noon – supposing I’m awake at noon, or have not just woken up ten minutes before and taken my a.m. dose. And of course, I don’t want to be supposed to take it later, because I don’t want it to interfere w/night sleep. Hah. What night sleep? Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just *forgot* that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap.  but i *got* 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i *took* a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day?  am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently.  butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but *saying* Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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Ahem: a friend, who has suffered thyroid problems all her life, and now has Hashimoto’s, and no thyroid function at all – tells me that all women of a certain age (say, 40 and older) should continually monitor thyroid levels – there are three kinds of tests and all should be done – (T3, T4 and TSH) – because at any point, thyroid problems can kick in. Middle aged women are particularly at risk, and it is so very often overlooked. Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p.  Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just *forgot* that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap.  but i *got* 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i *took* a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day?  am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently.  butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but *saying* Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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Wow – you’re giving me lots of info. I have this thing that’s just started in the past six months or so where I *know* I am dreaming, but I am talking aloud to people in my dreams, half awake and half asleep – and sometimes go on back to "sleep" after I finish talking to them. My son realizes this and often asks me – "Are you awake?" when I am talking to him in bed w/my eyes closed. I say, "Yes," and I am, in fact, perfectly aware of what I am saying and why – but I’d bet that my brain waves would not be those of a person who is "awake." Lucid dreaming different. In lucid dreaming, you are actually truly and naturally asleep, go into REM and dream, but at a certain point become aware somehow that you are dreaming, and therefore can control what happens in your dream. I have done that, too – used to before I got all messed up w/my sleeping. That is a function of natural sleep, a skill (like dissociation) which comes easily to some, but can also be developed. The best book on this that I know is simply called *L*cid Dreaming" and is by St*phen LaB[e]rge. He’s a sleep scientist, draws on a lot of studies, both from Western science and from anthro., and he also has developed ways of teaching lucid dreaming skills to those who are interested – there are incredible benefits. You can work stuff out in your dream world, work out better endings to recurring troubling dreams, do stuff you always wanted to do (like fly to Venus or discover treasures full of rainbow jewels or whatever). Okay, I’ll shut up. Yeah, I’ll start dreaming before/as I am going to sleep – partly knowing and partly not knowing I am dreaming, instead, thinking I am thinking – sometimes even thinking that I am kind of "writing," i.e., composing stories . . . but . . . thank goodness, don’t have that muscle tone count falling backward out my computer chair – but that’s already after I’ve kind of gone to sleep, I think – Beauty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?" coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens *faster*.  badbadbad.  at least without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically.  never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.) in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  *grins*  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  *grins*)  i can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings.  and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up.  and i start dreaming to fall asleep.  And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too. i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know? eh – more later, i guess. jt seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p.  Just thought I’d mention it.   Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just *forgot* that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap.  but i *got* 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i *took* a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but *saying* Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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;)  <—somewhat sardonic "fbs" = fl*shb*cks(a,a) that may not need to be splatted, but some ppl just are really sensitive, i guess, so i try to be careful.  ’sides, i have adhd.  anything that i can shorten gets shortened! :-D jt (…you know, like my name?  can’t get any shorter than "jt".  well…could be "j".  or "t", i guess…but… :-D )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – using a different newsreader so let me know if it has probs… the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?" LOL  and cause I want it so much I’ll say ME!!! :-D coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens faster.  badbadbad.  at least yes, this is true.  A couple double sh*ts of espresso would keep me awake for maybe an hour, then I’d crash… without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically. yes, I know…  :o(((( never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.) "fb’s"? in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  grins  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D call him please and get a reading on your thyroid levels, just to rule that out…..   pretty please??? i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  grins) i It is, though I believe I found it for a symptom for both hypo- (low) and hyper- (high)(which I had) -thyroidism.  I was sleeping tons and had still had no energy. can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings. eeech!!!!!!! and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up. not lucid dreaming, I don’t think, but don’t know what that’s called….  and i start dreaming to fall asleep. Wish I could do that!!!!!!! And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too. coffee!!!!!!!   (oops, who said that…  scurry scurry i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know? all due to your blessed f*ther.  cr*p!  {{{Jen}}} eh – more later, i guess. jt Kristi seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p. Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just forgot that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap. but i got 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i took a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but saying Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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;)  <—somewhat sardonic "fbs" = fl*shb*cks(a,a)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh    thanks! that may not need to be splatted, but some ppl just are really sensitive, i guess, so i try to be careful.  ’sides, i have adhd.  anything that i can shorten gets shortened! :-D jt (…you know, like my name?  can’t get any shorter than "jt".  well…could be "j".  or "t", i guess…but… :-D )

yeah, hey, what’s with the extra letters???????  :-D Kristi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – using a different newsreader so let me know if it has probs… the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?" LOL  and cause I want it so much I’ll say ME!!! :-D coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens faster.  badbadbad.  at least yes, this is true.  A couple double sh*ts of espresso would keep me awake for maybe an hour, then I’d crash… without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically. yes, I know…  :o(((( never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.) "fb’s"? in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  grins  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D call him please and get a reading on your thyroid levels, just to rule that out…..   pretty please??? i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  grins) i It is, though I believe I found it for a symptom for both hypo- (low) and hyper- (high)(which I had) -thyroidism.  I was sleeping tons and had still had no energy. can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings. eeech!!!!!!! and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up. not lucid dreaming, I don’t think, but don’t know what that’s called….  and i start dreaming to fall asleep. Wish I could do that!!!!!!! And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too. coffee!!!!!!!   (oops, who said that…  scurry scurry i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know? all due to your blessed f*ther.  cr*p!  {{{Jen}}} eh – more later, i guess. jt Kristi seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p. Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just forgot that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap. but i got 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i took a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but saying Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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using a different newsreader so let me know if it has probs…

Ok, cause you asked, although this has nothing to do with the actual problem you were asking about *grin*, could you put a space between what you are replying to and what you actually type? From my end I see the line and then immediately see your words and my mind insists that what you write is part of the line. Rainbow Colors (Jill) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?" LOL  and cause I want it so much I’ll say ME!!! :-D coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens faster.  badbadbad.  at least yes, this is true.  A couple double sh*ts of espresso would keep me awake for maybe an hour, then I’d crash… without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically. yes, I know…  :o(((( never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.) "fb’s"? in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  grins  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D call him please and get a reading on your thyroid levels, just to rule that out…..   pretty please??? i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  grins)  i It is, though I believe I found it for a symptom for both hypo- (low) and hyper- (high)(which I had) -thyroidism.  I was sleeping tons and had still had no energy. can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings. eeech!!!!!!! and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up. not lucid dreaming, I don’t think, but don’t know what that’s called….  and i start dreaming to fall asleep. Wish I could do that!!!!!!! And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too. coffee!!!!!!!   (oops, who said that…  scurry scurry i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know? all due to your blessed f*ther.  cr*p!  {{{Jen}}} eh – more later, i guess. jt Kristi seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p.  Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just forgot that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap.  but i got 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i took a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but saying Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

–      The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing                    we are becoming white light.

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using a different newsreader so let me know if it has probs… Ok, cause you asked, although this has nothing to do with the actual problem you were asking about grin, could you put a space between what you are replying to and what you actually type? From my end I see the line and then immediately see your words and my mind insists that what you write is part of the line.

yes! definitely! Thanks! Kristi   :o ))))))) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rainbow Colors (Jill) the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?" LOL  and cause I want it so much I’ll say ME!!! :-D coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens faster.  badbadbad.  at least yes, this is true.  A couple double sh*ts of espresso would keep me awake for maybe an hour, then I’d crash… without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically. yes, I know…  :o(((( never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.) "fb’s"? in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  grins  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D call him please and get a reading on your thyroid levels, just to rule that out…..   pretty please??? i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  grins)  i It is, though I believe I found it for a symptom for both hypo- (low) and hyper- (high)(which I had) -thyroidism.  I was sleeping tons and had still had no energy. can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings. eeech!!!!!!! and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up. not lucid dreaming, I don’t think, but don’t know what that’s called….  and i start dreaming to fall asleep. Wish I could do that!!!!!!! And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too. coffee!!!!!!!   (oops, who said that…  scurry scurry i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know? all due to your blessed f*ther.  cr*p!  {{{Jen}}} eh – more later, i guess. jt Kristi seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p.  Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just forgot that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap.  but i got 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i took a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but saying Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ;)  <—somewhat sardonic "fbs" = fl*shb*cks(a,a) Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh    thanks! that may not need to be splatted, but some ppl just are really sensitive, i guess, so i try to be careful.  ’sides, i have adhd.  anything that i can shorten gets shortened! :-D jt (…you know, like my name?  can’t get any shorter than "jt".  well…could be "j".  or "t", i guess…but… :-D ) yeah, hey, what’s with the extra letters???????  :-D Kristi

Padding to get a longer post out of it I’m sure *snicker* Rainbow Colors (Jill) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – using a different newsreader so let me know if it has probs… the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?" LOL  and cause I want it so much I’ll say ME!!! :-D coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens faster.  badbadbad.  at least yes, this is true.  A couple double sh*ts of espresso would keep me awake for maybe an hour, then I’d crash… without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically. yes, I know…  :o(((( never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.) "fb’s"? in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  grins  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D call him please and get a reading on your thyroid levels, just to rule that out…..   pretty please??? i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  grins) i It is, though I believe I found it for a symptom for both hypo- (low) and hyper- (high)(which I had) -thyroidism.  I was sleeping tons and had still had no energy. can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings. eeech!!!!!!! and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up. not lucid dreaming, I don’t think, but don’t know what that’s called….  and i start dreaming to fall asleep. Wish I could do that!!!!!!! And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too. coffee!!!!!!!   (oops, who said that…  scurry scurry i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know? all due to your blessed f*ther.  cr*p!  {{{Jen}}} eh – more later, i guess. jt Kristi seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p. Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just forgot that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap. but i got 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i took a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but saying Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

–      The colors blend, the edges soften. Swirling and mixing                    we are becoming white light.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ;)  <—somewhat sardonic "fbs" = fl*shb*cks(a,a) Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh    thanks! that may not need to be splatted, but some ppl just are really sensitive, i guess, so i try to be careful.  ’sides, i have adhd.  anything that i can shorten gets shortened! :-D jt (…you know, like my name?  can’t get any shorter than "jt".  well…could be "j".  or "t", i guess…but… :-D ) yeah, hey, what’s with the extra letters???????  :-D Kristi Padding to get a longer post out of it I’m sure snicker

LOLOLOL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rainbow Colors (Jill) using a different newsreader so let me know if it has probs… the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?" LOL  and cause I want it so much I’ll say ME!!! :-D coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens faster.  badbadbad.  at least yes, this is true.  A couple double sh*ts of espresso would keep me awake for maybe an hour, then I’d crash… without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically. yes, I know…  :o(((( never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.) "fb’s"? in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  grins  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D call him please and get a reading on your thyroid levels, just to rule that out…..   pretty please??? i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  grins) i It is, though I believe I found it for a symptom for both hypo- (low) and hyper- (high)(which I had) -thyroidism.  I was sleeping tons and had still had no energy. can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings. eeech!!!!!!! and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up. not lucid dreaming, I don’t think, but don’t know what that’s called….  and i start dreaming to fall asleep. Wish I could do that!!!!!!! And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too. coffee!!!!!!!   (oops, who said that…  scurry scurry i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know? all due to your blessed f*ther.  cr*p!  {{{Jen}}} eh – more later, i guess. jt Kristi seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p. Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just forgot that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap. but i got 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i took a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but saying Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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using a different newsreader so let me know if it has probs… the iv joke with coffee is a standard one with my friends. ;)  that, and "let’s go for coffee.  who’s got money?"

LOL  and cause I want it so much I’ll say ME!!! :-D coffee kinda makes it worse, cuz the coffee wears off, and the VVVVVVvvvvvoooop happens faster.  badbadbad.  at least

yes, this is true.  A couple double sh*ts of espresso would keep me awake for maybe an hour, then I’d crash… without it, some of us can stay awake while the body swoons, and we can keep bad things from happening that involve the head getting hurt.  (have VERY serious issues with having my head messed with physically.

yes, I know…  :o(((( never processed the fb’s enough, i guess.)

"fb’s"? in theory, i just had bloodwork done a couple weeks ago on my thyroid levels.  …and i missed the doc appt where he coulda told me what they meant.  grins  i’m multiple! whaddayawant?!?!  :-D

call him please and get a reading on your thyroid levels, just to rule that out…..   pretty please??? i assume, from your question, that sleepiness is a symptom of thyroid imbalance? (it’s been awhile since i read thru the symptoms) (i have lots of ‘em.  both lists.  grins)  i

It is, though I believe I found it for a symptom for both hypo- (low) and hyper- (high)(which I had) -thyroidism.  I was sleeping tons and had still had no energy. can assure you that i do, in fact, have narcolepsy.  i get cataplexy – where the body loses muscle tone like someone cut the puppet strings.

eeech!!!!!!! and i have the thingy where …hmm…think it’s called "lucid dreaming", where i can keep dreaming after i wake up.

not lucid dreaming, I don’t think, but don’t know what that’s called….  and i start dreaming to fall asleep.

Wish I could do that!!!!!!! And the narcolepsy got better when i started taking welbutrin, though not lots and lots better…but it got LOTS and LOTS better when i started meds for adhd…cuz stimulants treat narcolepsy, too.

coffee!!!!!!!   (oops, who said that…  scurry scurry i also have several other disorders that are on the same "tree" as narcolepsy…migraines and adhd.  it’s the same tree as epilepsy, and i’m aware that i have a better-than-average chance of having a grand-mal seizure someday and thus have epilepsy.  that whole nervous system thing is mis-wired, u know?

all due to your blessed f*ther.  cr*p!  {{{Jen}}} eh – more later, i guess. jt

Kristi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – seriously, when was the last time you had your thyroid levels checked.  I just got through a bout with that cr*p.  Just thought I’d mention it.    Have some coffee (IV) Kristi ya know, i actually thought for a bit that maybe i didn’t have narcolepsy.  i mean, the adderall works *so well* for it that i kinda just forgot that i have it.  now i’ll be in the middle of something and VVVVVVvvvvvvvvvvvoop! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…  (VVVVVvvvvooop being the sound of my entire body shutting down all at once) i just woke up from the nap i went for 2.5 hrs ago, and i still feel leaden.  i must be getting all of beauty’s sleep… :(  i have to go to choir practice, and my bod doesn’t feel like it ramped up again from the nap.  but i got 7 hrs of sleep last night!  and i took a nap yesterday, too!  am i gonna hafta go back to sleeping 10 hrs a night just to stay awake consistently thru the day? am i gonna end upVVVVVVVoooooop d*mn.   *Dozes at keyboard a bit* what was i saying? oh yeah.  am i gonna end up sleeping 5-6 hrs at a stretch twice a day again?  (ie: 6 hrs of sleep at night, 5 hr nap during the day)  i read somewhere that some narcoleptics can control the symptoms by taking naps frequently. butbutbut! waaah….. i’ve fallen asleep while maintaining eye contact with someone who was talking to me.  my favorite narcolepsy story was the class i took from 3:40-5:25pm (REALLY BAD time of day for me.  this class "cured" me of taking classes during those times).  i’d been asleep for a bit (always fall asleep with a pencil in yer hand, brow furrowed in concentration), and was trying desperately to stay awake, but i kept sinking under.  the world kinda swims outta focus, and my eyes cross or drift to the side and i’m out.  so i’m fighting desperately to stay awake, and working to make it look like i’m wide awake.  the problem is, i’d gotten my usual rep as someone who asks intelligent questions, so the teach kept glancing over at me, since i’d been even more quiet that day (heck, i ask questions when i’m awake to cover up for the times i can’t stay awake.).  And here’s me, brow furrowed mightily, struggling like heck to stay conscious, with absolutely no clue what he’s talking about. so he keeps asking me if i had a question, and i manage to shake my head the first couple of times, then i rouse myself enough to mumble something like "there’s something nagging at me, but i haven’t figured it out yet.  when it comes to me i’ll let you know." so, because the smartest person in class is looking perplexed over something, he started thinking about what he’d been saying, i guess, and realized that he’d been talking about Laos, but saying Cambodia.  So he does his big "Oh!" and explains, and i let the light dawn on my features, huge smile on my face, "Oh, ok!  That’s what it was!  I couldn’t figure out…but you kept saying…" and he’s explaining, and nodding along with me, and we’re in perfect charity with each other… my fthr says "you can’t bs an old bs’er."  y’all’ve been warned. gtg jt

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Thyroid issue? (was – Re: My old dog is losing her freaking mind)

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HOWEDY matty, You’ll BLAME ANYTHING for your dog’s seizure problem. Dogs are MADE SICK by the mishandling you give them… The Puppy Wizzzard. <};~ )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lyn said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: Oh – I had another question – after mulling this over, I think she *might* have a thyroid issue – I’m having trouble keeping weight on her.  Could a thyroid imbalance cause a change in behavior?  (Yes, I will take her in to the vet!) I know that thyroid problems can cause seizures, so it seems plausible that a change in behaviour could also result. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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HOWEDY matty, You CAUSED Rocky’s seizures by ABUSING him. The Puppy Wizzzard. <};~ )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rocky said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I know that thyroid problems can cause seizures, so it seems plausible that a change in behaviour could also result. Actually, Lyn, I was originally going to describe some of Tosh’s actions (especially growling for no reason) as common post-ictal behaviour.  But, since I often see epilepsy (or secondary seizures) where they don’t exist, I held off until I could read a few other responses. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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HOWEDY Lyn, The thyroid is FINE. It’s YOUR BEHAVIOR that makes the thyroid MALFUNCTION. The Puppy Wizzzard. <};~ )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Suggest you get her vet checked.  Any dog that suddenly changes its behaviour, particularly an old one, could be sick.  Growling and barking for no reason can often indicate pain. Get your pet THOROUGHLY examined.  I wish you well. Oh – I had another question – after mulling this over, I think she *might* have a thyroid issue – I’m having trouble keeping weight on her.  Could a thyroid imbalance cause a change in behavior?  (Yes, I will take her in to the vet!) TIA, -L.

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I will go out today

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 Whatever the problem, there is always something to do to improve things.

I am keeping this. Hi, Whiskers! Erminia

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good try, choad-chewer. looks like it’s YOU that didn’t get any replies. (until now…)

- Listen, we’re not to argue and call each others names here. I was just upset that u said some stuff that could put people down. However I was sorry I used some harsh words, I’m not usually like that.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is always true that we end up naked and alone, so why should that matter? To put it another way, what gives you the right to expect the basic facts of existence to be other than as they are? Whose thinking is more fallacious and romantic?  The person who quits because he rejects the realities of life, or the one who accepts those realities and that we must work within them? Hi Glen, I think I choose the second one. Believe me, I have tried the first one, but it didn’t work out. You see, we are not living in the deserted island, you just can’t quit everything and deny it. Dino I believe You can only keep depression at bay, As much as we like to deny the fact, It will come back and hounted us down.

I’m glad you’ve found some ‘fight’, Dino :) ) We might be ‘down’ but we are not ‘out’! — —  Whiskers

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It is always true that we end up naked and alone, so why should that matter? To put it another way, what gives you the right to expect the basic facts of existence to be other than as they are? Whose thinking is more fallacious and romantic?  The person who quits because he rejects the realities of life, or the one who accepts those realities and that we must work within them?

Hi Glen, I think I choose the second one. Believe me, I have tried the first one, but it didn’t work out. You see, we are not living in the deserted island, you just can’t quit everything and deny it. Dino I believe You can only keep depression at bay, As much as we like to deny the fact, It will come back and hounted us down.

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I will look for a job for what?… there is no ‘tomorrow’. you’ll just end up naked and alone in the end anyways, so why even bother?

It is always true that we end up naked and alone, so why should that matter? To put it another way, what gives you the right to expect the basic facts of existence to be other than as they are? Whose thinking is more fallacious and romantic?  The person who quits because he rejects the realities of life, or the one who accepts those realities and that we must work within them?

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I will look for a job for what?… there is no ‘tomorrow’. you’ll just end up naked and alone in the end anyways, so why even bother?

- Everyone allow me to say to him "What an ASSHOLE!". You think you’re cute don’t you? This is a SUPPORT group here. So if you have no kind useful words I suggest that you keep it shut. PS I would also appreciate that this troll will not be fed anymore. Please don’t post replies to this side post but if you want, reply directly to Dino the original poster.

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Hi whiskers There are many possible reasons for you to feel so ‘down’; sometimes Depression is a sign of other illness, which can be treated.  Some blood tests would make sure if this is why are are ill. Pardon me, I just read through the FAQ of Depression part 1 to 5 (48 pages). and I thought depression in psycology staff, what are we testing our blood for? Hemoglobin level??? Dino

Thyroid imbalance, anaemia, diabetes, blood pressure, environmental poisons (eg lead, mercury, carbon monoxide) … any of these could make you feel ‘down’ or ‘confused’ or ‘anxious’.  There are probably others too. There isn’t a blood test (yet) for most ‘mental’ illnesses, but it’s worth checking for things that can be checked.  And a good doctor can only diagnose what’s wrong by meeting you in person.  Whatever the problem, there is always something to do to improve things. — —  Whiskers

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I had enough, is time to go out. Today, I will go out and get myself a newspaper. After that, I will look for a job, If I failed, I will go to the job agency, They will get me a job, Just any job, A university honours degree will certainly get a job, I hope, If they don’t know my pass that I am depress, So It all back to square one, I pretend to be happy, I pretend to be normal, I pretend to be like one of them, While inside my heart, I am bleeding. I don’t know you guys really helping me or the other way round, But I really want to say is you guys and gils are great, At least you didn’t ask me to kill myself I love you all. And I will continue to be here, If I am welcome here. Love, Dino

Of course you are welcome. We look after our own round here. Try not to do it all in one day. It is like steering a very big ship, it takes many miles to turn and some time to even respond to the rudder change. Your posts have indicated you are ready to try stuff. So start by going and having a cup of coffee somewhere. Just sit, relax and absorb the atmosphere. Learn to accept the reality of others and step out of yourself for a bit. Your anger is understandable. I was also abused as a child. I have a huge well of residual anger. I have had many fantasies of seriously hurting people… yet in reality I am a very gentle person with a wicked temper. This all becomes part of the bag of shit that you arrange into the corner each day. Good luck — "I do not know" – GlennT All I have is theories…

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Hi whiskers There are many possible reasons for you to feel so ‘down’; sometimes Depression is a sign of other illness, which can be treated.  Some blood tests would make sure if this is why are are ill.

Pardon me, I just read through the FAQ of Depression part 1 to 5 (48 pages). and I thought depression in psycology staff, what are we testing our blood for? Hemoglobin level??? Dino

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I had enough, is time to go out. Today, I will go out and get myself a newspaper. After that, I will look for a job, If I failed, I will go to the job agency, They will get me a job, Just any job, A university honours degree will certainly get a job, I hope, If they don’t know my pass that I am depress, So It all back to square one, I pretend to be happy, I pretend to be normal, I pretend to be like one of them, While inside my heart, I am bleeding.

Good luck looking for a job – I still think you should talk to a doctor though.  Trying to ‘defeat’ these feelings alone is not a good idea; I tried, for too long, and I know it doesn’t work. There are many possible reasons for you to feel so ‘down’; sometimes Depression is a sign of other illness, which can be treated.  Some blood tests would make sure if this is why are are ill. The most successful treatment for Depression, for most people, involves both anti-depressants and ‘therapy’.  Statistically there is a good success rate; either an end to the Depression, or a reasonable way of life even though Depression may never be far away.  I think either outcome is better than struggling alone, and pretending. I don’t know you guys really helping me or the other way round, But I really want to say is you guys and gils are great, At least you didn’t ask me to kill myself I love you all. And I will continue to be here, If I am welcome here. Love, Dino

Of course you are welcome here; please make yourself at home :) ) Whiskery Hugs {{{{{Dino}}}}} — —  Whiskers

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Hi, I had enough, is time to go out. Today, I will go out and get myself a newspaper. After that, I will look for a job, If I failed, I will go to the job agency, They will get me a job, Just any job, A university honours degree will certainly get a job, I hope, If they don’t know my pass that I am depress, So It all back to square one, I pretend to be happy, I pretend to be normal, I pretend to be like one of them, While inside my heart, I am bleeding. I don’t know you guys really helping me or the other way round, But I really want to say is you guys and gils are great, At least you didn’t ask me to kill myself I love you all. And I will continue to be here, If I am welcome here. Love, Dino

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What disorders?

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Late response ….. Shena Delian O’Brien wrote:

I’ve heard with apnea that you don’t dream…?

It ain’t necessarily so. I dreamt a lot before I was diagnosed.  I’m actually dreaming less on the CPAP — or maybe I’m just dreaming at the right time in the cycle and not tending to remember dreams so well. I did the going-right-into-and-out-of-and-back-in-to thing you described before I was on the CPAP, and haven’t been doing it since. [I'm not the oldest CPAP hand on the planet.  I got mine  03/13.]

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Dreaming is a funny thing.  The longer you remain asleep after a dream the less you remember.  I’ve seem some discussion that you can’t remember your dream if you wake up more than fifteen minutes after you finish dreaming. But, you do dream every night, whether you remember it or not.  When I went on CPAP in November I started having some very strange dreams, and my sleep doc said it was perfectly normal. Chris "Otter Perry" <otter…@earthlink.net

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Late response ….. Shena Delian O’Brien wrote: I’ve heard with apnea that you don’t dream…? It ain’t necessarily so. I dreamt a lot before I was diagnosed.  I’m actually dreaming less on the CPAP — or maybe I’m just dreaming at the right time in the cycle and not tending to remember dreams so well. I did the going-right-into-and-out-of-and-back-in-to thing you described before I was on the CPAP, and haven’t been doing it since. [I'm not the oldest CPAP hand on the planet.  I got mine  03/13.]

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J wrote:

According to your thyroid newsgroup posts, you are hyperthyroid yet overweight.  Doesn’t make sense.

Old posts. I am hypo now and it’s stayed that way. The hyper was from a case of thyroiditis that happened because I went off bcp cold turkey. (had no idea it would happen and no warning from docs) I’m untreated right now because IMO docs are not doing their job properly. They want to "wait" for an increasingly long period of time to see if this hypo will be a general trend or temporary. (hah!) So I’m in the process of switching docs to one rec’d on the top doc list. So, I’m not on any meds whatsoever at this time (not even vitamins).

Also JMO that armpit temp monitoring is silly.  See a specialist and get dx’d /treated the proper way for thyroid and/or sleep disorder.

I never did armpit monitoring. I do under the tongue with a digital thermometer that is toted as extremely accurate and indeed I do reach 98.6 later on in the day (after 2pm) so I believe it is accurate. The endo was a pitiful attempt at a specialist. He has done nothing for me but tell me to wait, take more tests, and then wait an even longer period of time before taking more tests. He has only tested tsh/t3/t4 and never for antibodies, never a thyroid scan, never for adrenal etc etc which is why I’m in the process of changing docs (have an appt for the 3rd with a new doc as well as the sleep specialist). anyway the sleep problems have  happened my entire life and are back now after going off bcp so I think that they are an additional problem and not symptomatic of sudden disease onset. the hypo may aggravate like it does everything I’m sure.

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Shena Delian O’Brien wrote:

I suffer from sleep trouble and daytime fatigue. I think among the other health problems I have (thyroid, insulin resistance) I also have 1 or more sleep disorders. I have an appointment on April 3rd with a sleep specialist. In the meantime, I’m wondering if I can list my symptoms, you can tell me what disorders fit them?

According to your thyroid newsgroup posts, you are hyperthyroid yet overweight.  Doesn’t make sense. Improperly treated (Hashimoto’s) thyroiditis can cause your TSH levels (and weight) to bounce around and cause weird symptoms like jitteriness (having problems going to sleep) and weird dreams and lots more chaos. The medication for Thyroiditis differs from the one for Hyperthyroidism (Graves). You also mentioned a visit to the endo but I can find no follow-up to that post. If your (original) doctor is prescribing for hyperthyroidism but you have Thyroiditis, you are not getting responsible doctoring. http://www.thyroid.ca/Guides/HG06.html That might be a huge part of your sleep problem. That being said, you could also have RLS and/or sleep apnea but if you look up RLS, IIRC, thyroid imbalance can aggravate that too. HTH and JMO J PS I have Hashimoto’s and never could tolerate BCP even tho I tried for 10 years. Also JMO that armpit temp monitoring is silly.  See a specialist and get dx’d /treated the proper way for thyroid and/or sleep disorder.

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Funny you should mention this about dreams because I am going through the same stuff right now with dreams.  I have been discussing it with my moderated autoimmune group friends.  My dreams are always concerning people from my past (childhood and adolescence, early twenties).  I went through some traumatic experiences during those ages.  I seem to be stuck there for some reason.  As well, the other a.m. I woke up from a nightmare, got up at 4:30 a.m. and stayed up 1 hr on the computer etc. to redirect my thoughts.  I then went back to sleep and the same theme, different characters, went on.  It is soooooo wierd. My husband has woken me up from crying in my sleep and thrashing and yelling. I also have sleep apnea and use a CPAP, I have RA, Fibromyalgia with many problems from those diseases, take many meds for those diseases and have recently 11/30/01 had my spleen removed due to cancer.  I am a mess but believe it or not, I am a happy mess when I am awake.  I just do not get it.?????? Nettie

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try this http://www.nationalsleep.com/sleeptest.htm Warren "Shena Delian O’Brien" <sh…@darklock.com

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I suffer from sleep trouble and daytime fatigue.

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sh…@darklock.com (Shena Delian O’Brien) wrote:

Anyway I am always dreaming. Every time I wake up it is from a dream.

It sounds like something’s interrupting your REM sleep, when most dreaming happens. The most likely candidate is sleep apnea, you’ll need an over-night test in a sleep lab to be sure.

I’ve heard with apnea that you don’t dream…?

I think it depends on the severity. Many of us went far too long before being diagnosed and our deep sleep was so fragmented that dreaming was almost impossible. It sounds like you’re not at that point yet.

I’ve had the apnea dreams before (dreaming you can’t breathe, etc) but only while sleeping on my back (which I can’t do very often anyway and avoid).

That’s another sign of possible sleep apnea. Make sure that you tell your sleep doctor about this. Tom

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Good that you are going to see a sleep specialist! As far as dream interpretation and any correlation to sleep disorders (got me except for the dreaming you can’t breath) Decent non-retail motivated dream FAQ at  http://psych.ucsc.edu/dreams/FAQ/index.html  You can also look at the "New Neurocognitive Theory of Dreams" at http://psych.ucsc.edu/dreams/Articles/domhoff_2001a.html Was waaay over my head except the conclusion was that no one knows why we dream yet. "As noted in the introductory paragraph, there is little or no scientific evidence to support any of the best-known theories of dreams (Domhoff, 1999; Domhoff, 2000b; Fisher & Greenberg, 1996; Foulkes, 1996a; Foulkes, 1999)" Like so many other things doctors are clueless. You can take this simple sleep test that will try to tell you what sleep disorder you might have from your answers. This is just a test and doesn’t replace GOOD medical care. http://www.sleepnet.com/sleeptest.html Oh, yes, you can dream and have apnea. According to the above technical article people have dreamt even in non REM sleep cycles (especially after some type of brain damage). Restless legs can actually be apnea caused body movements from the body suffocating. I have dreamt many times I was suffocating or drowning. Hope the doc helps you. Mike "Shena Delian O’Brien" <sh…@darklock.com

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I suffer from sleep trouble and daytime fatigue. I think among the other health problems I have (thyroid, insulin resistance) I also have 1 or more sleep disorders. I have an appointment on April 3rd with a sleep specialist. In the meantime, I’m wondering if I can list my symptoms, you can tell me what disorders fit them? I have a hard time getting to sleep despite being very tired. I have learned since a child several calming/meditative type effects to help me get through. But regardless it takes me sometimes 45 mins or longer. Then I wake up several times a night from unusually complex dreams. These dreams are often taking place in a ‘world’ where when I dream there, I have memories of past dreams as if they were my history. As a dreamer I have my own life, does this make sense? .. oftentimes my dreams are epic, long, like watching a lifelong movie… very very complex. Anyway I am always dreaming. Every time I wake up it is from a dream. Sometimes I go back to sleep and am in the dream again. Sometimes I have recurrent dreams where a slight variation of it occurs. Sometimes I’ll have a dream that is a sequel to a dream I had years earlier. In any case, I am tired of waking up many times a night even if the dreams are very interesting… I wake up in the morning tired and stay tired all day long until I sleep again. When I was young I had dreams that were very much like real life so that now thinking back some of my dreams seem like they really happened, sometimes I have a memory of something that only happened in a dream. Now I can differentiate but I do get deja vu frequently from something I thought already happened when it happened just in a dream. Anyway what this boils down to is … what sleep disorder does this sound like? I may have RLS in some point because I am always jiggling in my seat, moving is better than sitting still in how I feel (I have pain problems). I’ve heard with apnea that you don’t dream…? I’ve had the apnea dreams before (dreaming you can’t breathe, etc) but only while sleeping on my back (which I can’t do very often anyway and avoid). Any suggestions are welcome.

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I suffer from sleep trouble and daytime fatigue. I think among the other health problems I have (thyroid, insulin resistance) I also have 1 or more sleep disorders. I have an appointment on April 3rd with a sleep specialist. In the meantime, I’m wondering if I can list my symptoms, you can tell me what disorders fit them? I have a hard time getting to sleep despite being very tired. I have learned since a child several calming/meditative type effects to help me get through. But regardless it takes me sometimes 45 mins or longer. Then I wake up several times a night from unusually complex dreams. These dreams are often taking place in a ‘world’ where when I dream there, I have memories of past dreams as if they were my history. As a dreamer I have my own life, does this make sense? .. oftentimes my dreams are epic, long, like watching a lifelong movie… very very complex. Anyway I am always dreaming. Every time I wake up it is from a dream. Sometimes I go back to sleep and am in the dream again. Sometimes I have recurrent dreams where a slight variation of it occurs. Sometimes I’ll have a dream that is a sequel to a dream I had years earlier. In any case, I am tired of waking up many times a night even if the dreams are very interesting… I wake up in the morning tired and stay tired all day long until I sleep again. When I was young I had dreams that were very much like real life so that now thinking back some of my dreams seem like they really happened, sometimes I have a memory of something that only happened in a dream. Now I can differentiate but I do get deja vu frequently from something I thought already happened when it happened just in a dream. Anyway what this boils down to is … what sleep disorder does this sound like? I may have RLS in some point because I am always jiggling in my seat, moving is better than sitting still in how I feel (I have pain problems). I’ve heard with apnea that you don’t dream…? I’ve had the apnea dreams before (dreaming you can’t breathe, etc) but only while sleeping on my back (which I can’t do very often anyway and avoid). Any suggestions are welcome.

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Natural Solution for memory loss?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I may get flamed for even being here but here goes! I have mild depression, am not on medication, and I live alone. I am experiencing some sleep loss, memory loss, and inability to really focus hard on what I am doing at work. (I dont fly planes lol) Anyhow, I was wondering if there is some sort of vitamin therapy I could start on to help me regain my focus and "edge". Im a pretty happy person, just really concerned and somewhat aggravated with the way my body is functioning. This has been going on for several months now. thanks in advance chaz-

Hello Chaz and welcome to ASD. No flames here but I also don’t know what I could suggest for you either, just wanted to say welcome. Mary Beth

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Hello, I may get flamed for even being here but here goes! I have mild depression, am not on medication, and I live alone. I am experiencing some sleep loss, memory loss, and inability to really focus hard on what I am doing at work. (I dont fly planes lol) Anyhow, I was wondering if there is some sort of vitamin therapy I could start on to help me regain my focus and "edge". Im a pretty happy person, just really concerned and somewhat aggravated with the way my body is functioning. This has been going on for several months now. thanks in advance chaz-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I may get flamed for even being here but here goes! I have mild depression, am not on medication, and I live alone. I am experiencing some sleep loss, memory loss, and inability to really focus hard on what I am doing at work. (I dont fly planes lol) Anyhow, I was wondering if there is some sort of vitamin therapy I could start on to help me regain my focus and "edge". Im a pretty happy person, just really concerned and somewhat aggravated with the way my body is functioning. This has been going on for several months now. thanks in advance chaz- Hello Chaz and welcome to ASD. No flames here but I also don’t know what I could suggest for you either, just wanted to say welcome. Mary Beth

Thank you Mary Beth, After I posted my note I found the FAQ on the newsgroup regarding depression. Oh boy, didnt like what I read lol. I have been depressed for a few years now, however, I am not sad all the time nor am I hanging off the roof in euphoria. I was divorced a 3 years ago and have not really moved forward with my personal life. I "hide" behind what I feel my children would think (ages 7 and 10) My Former Spouse recently found herself pregnant and remarried, the children were really upset about it, naturally. I havent wanted to do that to them, and naturally, I dont really like being alone all the time either :) Its like living on top of a record player (remember those?)…..round and round. Anyhow, I understand now that my "symptoms" are that of depression. I dont know what to do. A few years ago I saw a psych who had me on luvix, them prozac. It smoothed me out some during a VERY trying time, but it also robbed me of my creativitiy and desire to do anything. I also tried effexor but it almost wiped me out, I just havent reacted well to medication, although I talk to some people who really do well on the stuff. I really dont know how to go about seeking help. I really didnt like seeing a psych, I did better with a counselor I saw at church years ago, the psych was more interested in "marking time" on the clock than with any "solutions" for me. I dont like walking in some place and they just look at you or listen and say, yes, you need prozac. Are there not any physical "tests" they can do on blood, etc to see perhaps what I am lacking (besides a few brain cells)? for listening to my rambling. chaz-

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snip I really dont know how to go about seeking help. I really didnt like seeing a psych, I did better with a counselor I saw at church years ago, the psych was more interested in "marking time" on the clock than with any "solutions" for me. I dont like walking in some place and they just look at you or listen and say, yes, you need prozac. Are there not any physical "tests" they can do on blood, etc to see perhaps what I am lacking (besides a few brain cells)? you for listening to my rambling.

I don’t know of any physical tests for Depression; the diagnosis is based on behaviour and observation.  There are illnesses (such as thyroid imbalance) that can mimic the symptoms of Depression, so it’s not a bad idea to get a doctor to arrange tests for that sort of thing.  A good ‘General Practioner’ should also be able to give advice about treatments for Depression, or refer you to someone who can. Current thinking is that Depression is associated with some sort of malfunction in the neurotransmitters in the brain; whether this is cause or effect is not certain.  Anti-depressant medications seek to re-adjust or compensate for this malfunction.  "Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors" (SSRIs) are probably the most widely used: "Prozac" (fluoxetine) is one of many such drugs.  Each person reacts differently to each drug, so the first one you try may well not be the most suitable for you.  They all take a month or so to take effect (but side-effects kick in much sooner). ‘Talking’ therapy along with medication seems to be very helpful to many (including me); finding the right ‘counsellor’ or whatever is important; again, a very personal thing. I hope that helps :) ) — —  Whiskers

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Hello Chaz; welcome to ASD :) ) No answer to your question, but I think if you can get the sleep sorted other things might improve too.  Avoid caffeine and sugary things late evening; possibly try one of those herbal ‘teas’ with chamomile (some are fairly palatable) to help relax.  Light regular exercise, if your work is sedentry.  I try; not a great success ;) — —  Whiskers

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Questions about depo-leupron

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If you want, check out my web pages on infertility, PCOS, and doctors. It gives you an idea of what to look for. I would certainly check out the infertility newsgroups (depending on which catagory you are in). They are the best wealth I’ve seen and can really help. Victoria "tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

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> news:I8318.57001$K36.18156242@news1.rdc1.va.home.com… > > Hi, > > Whoa, back up. Define fertility specialist. Is this person a board > certified > > reproductive endocrinologist? > > BCP is birth control pills. > > I know what I’m doing more than he does. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth. > You’ve > > gotten good info on this board and it is free, but worth more than what > this guy > > is telling you. > > March in there and ask this guy to put *in writing* how the Lupron is > supposed > > to get you pregnant. Menopause isn’t going to help you get pregnant. > Lupron used > > to stop the cycle before using GnRH drugs will, but that is a *totally* > > different animal. > > Victoria > > "tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

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> > news:a20mmo$oeh$1@ins22.netins.net… > > > The doctor that I’m seeing is a fertility specialist.  My regular doctor > > > sent us to him to find out options for fertility treatments.  The first > time > > > I saw him, he asked us a few questions and then did a pap test.  That > was > > > when he found the cyst.  My next appointment with him is Thursday and > this > > > is my 3rd visit in all.  He did tell me that I did have some lesions > from > > > the endometriosis removed during my laproascopy, but he didn’t tell me > where > > > they were or if he got them all.  What is BCP?  He really never gave me > an > > > option as far as what to do next.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron shot > > > will put my body through menopause for 6 months to treat the > endometriosis > > > and that it would help us to get pregnant.  I asked him if the > Depo-Leupron > > > would further prevent us from achieving pregnancy, and he told me I > needed > > > it to help me get pregnant.  After reading your message, I’m really > > > wondering if he knows what he is doing.  I don’t want to further lessen > my > > > chance of becoming pregnant.  And besides that it cost us and our > insurance > > > company almost $1,500.00 per shot and I have to have another one in > March. > > > Thank you for the information you gave me.  Oh, I’m from SW Iowa, so if > you > > > or anyone else knows of a good doctor in my area, please let me know. > > > Thank you, > > > Tiffany > > > Victoria wrote in message > > > <28J08.55431$K36.17857…@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>… > > > >Hi Tiffany, > > > >First, get another doctor. He has no clue of what he is talking about. > Is > > > this > > > >an ob/gyn? I can give you some tips on finding one, or if you want to > give > > > us a > > > >general area that you live in, maybe we can pass on some doctors’ names > for > > > you > > > >to check out. If your doctor has medical resources that say Lupron will > > > help, > > > >I’d want to know what they were. No matter what, you sound as if you > aren’t > > > >getting anything out of the relationship of your doctor. Why pay for > that? > > > >Second, if you have endometriosis, did your doctor remove it all when > he > > > did > > > >surgery? You said that a cyst had been removed, but didn’t state > anything > > > about > > > >whether the endometriosis had been removed, where it had been found, > etc. > > > What > > > >hormonal tests have been run? What were the values. It sounds like you > need > > > a > > > >little more thorough work up first. > > > >Third, you didn’t mention continuous BCP. That is a standard treatment > for > > > >endometriosis before Lupron, and is certainly easier on the body. So > I’m > > > kind of > > > >wondering why you got put on that without any other treatments being > used > > > first. > > > >Last, I have a email group for women with PCO and endometriosis on > > > >www.egroups.com. Its called Pcoendo. Maybe you can talk to some of the > > > ladies > > > >there. > > > >Victoria > > > >"tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

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> > > >news:a1ul5t$s4f$1@ins22.netins.net… > > > >> Hello all!  I’m new to this group so I don’t know how things work > around > > > >> here yet.  I am so glad I found this site to help me and if I’m able > to > > > help > > > >> others in information and even just to be able to chat with others > who > > > know > > > >> what I’m going through. > > > >> I want to know if anyone has any info on Depo-Leupron.  I have only > been > > > on > > > >> this shot for a little over a month and my doctor didn’t give me much > > > info > > > >> on it.  I feel like my body is  completely different.  I am only 25, > have > > > >> been trying to get pregnant for 6 years and never have been able to. > I > > > had > > > >> laproascopy done in September to remove a cyst on one of my ovaries. > My > > > >> doctor told my husband that the cyst was larger than a baseball but > > > smaller > > > >> than a softball.  Is that very big as far as cysts go.  Sometimes my > > > doctor > > > >> makes me feel really stupid for some of the questions I ask so I quit > > > asking > > > >> them.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron will help us to get pregnant > > > after > > > >> the 6 months of taking it is up, is this true?  When he first ordered > it > > > he > > > >> told me it was to treat my endometriosis.  I also have PCOD and he is > > > doing > > > >> nothing to treat that, is there anything I should be doing or taking > to > > > >> treat this?  I’m sorry if some of these questions are dumb, but I > really > > > >> feel like I don’t know much about either of these diseases.  I would > > > >> appreciate any info anyone can give me tremendously.  I’m  going to > my > > > >> doctor on Thursday and if anyone can think of any treatments or > anything > > > I > > > >> should know that I can ask him about  for my conditions I would > > > appreciate > > > >> it. > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> Tiff

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Hi, Whoa, back up. Define fertility specialist. Is this person a board certified reproductive endocrinologist? BCP is birth control pills. I know what I’m doing more than he does. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth. You’ve gotten good info on this board and it is free, but worth more than what this guy is telling you. March in there and ask this guy to put *in writing* how the Lupron is supposed to get you pregnant. Menopause isn’t going to help you get pregnant. Lupron used to stop the cycle before using GnRH drugs will, but that is a *totally* different animal. Victoria "tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

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news:a20mmo$oeh$1@ins22.netins.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The doctor that I’m seeing is a fertility specialist.  My regular doctor > sent us to him to find out options for fertility treatments.  The first time > I saw him, he asked us a few questions and then did a pap test.  That was > when he found the cyst.  My next appointment with him is Thursday and this > is my 3rd visit in all.  He did tell me that I did have some lesions from > the endometriosis removed during my laproascopy, but he didn’t tell me where > they were or if he got them all.  What is BCP?  He really never gave me an > option as far as what to do next.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron shot > will put my body through menopause for 6 months to treat the endometriosis > and that it would help us to get pregnant.  I asked him if the Depo-Leupron > would further prevent us from achieving pregnancy, and he told me I needed > it to help me get pregnant.  After reading your message, I’m really > wondering if he knows what he is doing.  I don’t want to further lessen my > chance of becoming pregnant.  And besides that it cost us and our insurance > company almost $1,500.00 per shot and I have to have another one in March. > Thank you for the information you gave me.  Oh, I’m from SW Iowa, so if you > or anyone else knows of a good doctor in my area, please let me know. > Thank you, > Tiffany > Victoria wrote in message > <28J08.55431$K36.17857…@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>… > >Hi Tiffany, > >First, get another doctor. He has no clue of what he is talking about. Is > this > >an ob/gyn? I can give you some tips on finding one, or if you want to give > us a > >general area that you live in, maybe we can pass on some doctors’ names for > you > >to check out. If your doctor has medical resources that say Lupron will > help, > >I’d want to know what they were. No matter what, you sound as if you aren’t > >getting anything out of the relationship of your doctor. Why pay for that? > >Second, if you have endometriosis, did your doctor remove it all when he > did > >surgery? You said that a cyst had been removed, but didn’t state anything > about > >whether the endometriosis had been removed, where it had been found, etc. > What > >hormonal tests have been run? What were the values. It sounds like you need > a > >little more thorough work up first. > >Third, you didn’t mention continuous BCP. That is a standard treatment for > >endometriosis before Lupron, and is certainly easier on the body. So I’m > kind of > >wondering why you got put on that without any other treatments being used > first. > >Last, I have a email group for women with PCO and endometriosis on > >www.egroups.com. Its called Pcoendo. Maybe you can talk to some of the > ladies > >there. > >Victoria > >"tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

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> >news:a1ul5t$s4f$1@ins22.netins.net… > >> Hello all!  I’m new to this group so I don’t know how things work around > >> here yet.  I am so glad I found this site to help me and if I’m able to > help > >> others in information and even just to be able to chat with others who > know > >> what I’m going through. > >> I want to know if anyone has any info on Depo-Leupron.  I have only been > on > >> this shot for a little over a month and my doctor didn’t give me much > info > >> on it.  I feel like my body is  completely different.  I am only 25, have > >> been trying to get pregnant for 6 years and never have been able to.  I > had > >> laproascopy done in September to remove a cyst on one of my ovaries.  My > >> doctor told my husband that the cyst was larger than a baseball but > smaller > >> than a softball.  Is that very big as far as cysts go.  Sometimes my > doctor > >> makes me feel really stupid for some of the questions I ask so I quit > asking > >> them.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron will help us to get pregnant > after > >> the 6 months of taking it is up, is this true?  When he first ordered it > he > >> told me it was to treat my endometriosis.  I also have PCOD and he is > doing > >> nothing to treat that, is there anything I should be doing or taking to > >> treat this?  I’m sorry if some of these questions are dumb, but I really > >> feel like I don’t know much about either of these diseases.  I would > >> appreciate any info anyone can give me tremendously.  I’m  going to my > >> doctor on Thursday and if anyone can think of any treatments or anything > I > >> should know that I can ask him about  for my conditions I would > appreciate > >> it. > >> Thanks, > >> Tiff

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If Depo-Leupron is anything remotely similar to Depo-Provera, I wouldn’t touch it with a stick!! I took Depo for a few years, have been off it a year, and am STILL waiting for a period. Theoretically, you are supposed to resume menses within 3-6 months, but with PCOS, our bodies are already imbalanced enough that coming off is not a simple process of adjustment. You most likely will become progesterone dominant and basically never ovulate especially if you had trouble before. I wouldn’t do it or at least seek a 2nd opinion before you take it. Also, it aggravated ALL of my PCOS symptoms too. Acne, insulin resistance, weight gain, hirsutism, baldness, you name it. Squeezle "tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

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The doctor that I’m seeing is a fertility specialist.  My regular doctor sent us to him to find out options for fertility treatments.  The first

time

I saw him, he asked us a few questions and then did a pap test.  That was when he found the cyst.  My next appointment with him is Thursday and this is my 3rd visit in all.  He did tell me that I did have some lesions from the endometriosis removed during my laproascopy, but he didn’t tell me

where

they were or if he got them all.  What is BCP?  He really never gave me an option as far as what to do next.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron shot will put my body through menopause for 6 months to treat the endometriosis and that it would help us to get pregnant.  I asked him if the

Depo-Leupron

would further prevent us from achieving pregnancy, and he told me I needed it to help me get pregnant.  After reading your message, I’m really wondering if he knows what he is doing.  I don’t want to further lessen my chance of becoming pregnant.  And besides that it cost us and our

insurance

company almost $1,500.00 per shot and I have to have another one in March. Thank you for the information you gave me.  Oh, I’m from SW Iowa, so if

you

or anyone else knows of a good doctor in my area, please let me know. Thank you, Tiffany Victoria wrote in message <28J08.55431$K36.17857…@news1.rdc1.va.home.com… Hi Tiffany, First, get another doctor. He has no clue of what he is talking about. Is this an ob/gyn? I can give you some tips on finding one, or if you want to

give

us a general area that you live in, maybe we can pass on some doctors’ names

for

you to check out. If your doctor has medical resources that say Lupron will help, I’d want to know what they were. No matter what, you sound as if you

aren’t

getting anything out of the relationship of your doctor. Why pay for

that?

Second, if you have endometriosis, did your doctor remove it all when he did surgery? You said that a cyst had been removed, but didn’t state anything about whether the endometriosis had been removed, where it had been found, etc. What hormonal tests have been run? What were the values. It sounds like you

need

a little more thorough work up first. Third, you didn’t mention continuous BCP. That is a standard treatment

for > >endometriosis before Lupron, and is certainly easier on the body. So I’m > kind of > >wondering why you got put on that without any other treatments being used > first. > >Last, I have a email group for women with PCO and endometriosis on > >www.egroups.com. Its called Pcoendo. Maybe you can talk to some of the > ladies > >there. > >Victoria > >"tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

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> >news:a1ul5t$s4f$1@ins22.netins.net… > >> Hello all!  I’m new to this group so I don’t know how things work around

here yet.  I am so glad I found this site to help me and if I’m able to help others in information and even just to be able to chat with others who know what I’m going through. I want to know if anyone has any info on Depo-Leupron.  I have only

been

on this shot for a little over a month and my doctor didn’t give me much info on it.  I feel like my body is  completely different.  I am only 25,

have

been trying to get pregnant for 6 years and never have been able to.  I had laproascopy done in September to remove a cyst on one of my ovaries.

My

doctor told my husband that the cyst was larger than a baseball but smaller than a softball.  Is that very big as far as cysts go.  Sometimes my doctor makes me feel really stupid for some of the questions I ask so I quit asking them.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron will help us to get pregnant after the 6 months of taking it is up, is this true?  When he first ordered

it

he told me it was to treat my endometriosis.  I also have PCOD and he is doing nothing to treat that, is there anything I should be doing or taking to treat this?  I’m sorry if some of these questions are dumb, but I

really

feel like I don’t know much about either of these diseases.  I would appreciate any info anyone can give me tremendously.  I’m  going to my doctor on Thursday and if anyone can think of any treatments or

anything

I should know that I can ask him about  for my conditions I would appreciate it. Thanks, Tiff

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Wow … it lessened your thyroid balance? That’s cool. :) Well, I basically got reamed in a few different ways from women (not publically at least) who let me know that if that was their choice, they should be allowed that. That’s really fair. I can understand their feelings. I know I used to push Metformin. So … I learned a good lesson about taking a step back and letting people make their own choices. I try to remember that as much as I can when I put out information. It was a good lesson for me to learn. Victoria "Shena Delian O’Brien" <shena…@forget-it.com

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Victoria wrote: I really have to take issue with this. Birth control is a very acceptable treatment for PCOS. I’ve known people on it who are very happy with it, its I could argue but I’m not going to, the main thing is: if it works for you, keep with it. I’ve just known very few women w/PCOS who were happy w/birth control, myself included. It lessened the symptoms but brought others on. It even lessened my thyroid imbalance but hey, I still felt like sh*t. It wasn’t the kind of treatment I’m getting now, not in the least.

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Hi all! You have really made me think about a lot of things as far as all of this goes.  I found out some info about this "fertility specialist" that I don’t like.  I’m trying to find some more info about him or his practice.  I’ll keep ya updated on what I find out. Tiff "Victoria" <nicholl…@home.com

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Hi, Whoa, back up. Define fertility specialist. Is this person a board

certified

reproductive endocrinologist? BCP is birth control pills. I know what I’m doing more than he does. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth.

You’ve

gotten good info on this board and it is free, but worth more than what

this guy

is telling you. March in there and ask this guy to put *in writing* how the Lupron is

supposed

to get you pregnant. Menopause isn’t going to help you get pregnant.

Lupron used > to stop the cycle before using GnRH drugs will, but that is a *totally* > different animal. > Victoria > "tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

wrote in message

> news:a20mmo$oeh$1@ins22.netins.net… > > The doctor that I’m seeing is a fertility specialist.  My regular doctor > > sent us to him to find out options for fertility treatments.  The first time

I saw him, he asked us a few questions and then did a pap test.  That

was

when he found the cyst.  My next appointment with him is Thursday and

this

is my 3rd visit in all.  He did tell me that I did have some lesions

from

the endometriosis removed during my laproascopy, but he didn’t tell me

where

they were or if he got them all.  What is BCP?  He really never gave me

an

option as far as what to do next.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron shot will put my body through menopause for 6 months to treat the

endometriosis

and that it would help us to get pregnant.  I asked him if the

Depo-Leupron

would further prevent us from achieving pregnancy, and he told me I

needed

it to help me get pregnant.  After reading your message, I’m really wondering if he knows what he is doing.  I don’t want to further lessen

my

chance of becoming pregnant.  And besides that it cost us and our

insurance

company almost $1,500.00 per shot and I have to have another one in

March.

Thank you for the information you gave me.  Oh, I’m from SW Iowa, so if

you

or anyone else knows of a good doctor in my area, please let me know. Thank you, Tiffany Victoria wrote in message <28J08.55431$K36.17857…@news1.rdc1.va.home.com… Hi Tiffany, First, get another doctor. He has no clue of what he is talking about.

Is

this an ob/gyn? I can give you some tips on finding one, or if you want to

give

us a general area that you live in, maybe we can pass on some doctors’ names

for

you to check out. If your doctor has medical resources that say Lupron will help, I’d want to know what they were. No matter what, you sound as if you

aren’t

getting anything out of the relationship of your doctor. Why pay for

that?

Second, if you have endometriosis, did your doctor remove it all when

he

did surgery? You said that a cyst had been removed, but didn’t state

anything

about whether the endometriosis had been removed, where it had been found,

etc.

What hormonal tests have been run? What were the values. It sounds like you

need

a little more thorough work up first. Third, you didn’t mention continuous BCP. That is a standard treatment

for

endometriosis before Lupron, and is certainly easier on the body. So

I’m

kind of wondering why you got put on that without any other treatments being

used > > first. > > >Last, I have a email group for women with PCO and endometriosis on > > >www.egroups.com. Its called Pcoendo. Maybe you can talk to some of the > > ladies > > >there. > > >Victoria > > >"tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

wrote in message

> > >news:a1ul5t$s4f$1@ins22.netins.net… > > >> Hello all!  I’m new to this group so I don’t know how things work around

here yet.  I am so glad I found this site to help me and if I’m able

to

help others in information and even just to be able to chat with others

who

know what I’m going through. I want to know if anyone has any info on Depo-Leupron.  I have only

been

on this shot for a little over a month and my doctor didn’t give me much info on it.  I feel like my body is  completely different.  I am only 25,

have

been trying to get pregnant for 6 years and never have been able to.

I

had laproascopy done in September to remove a cyst on one of my ovaries.

My

doctor told my husband that the cyst was larger than a baseball but smaller than a softball.  Is that very big as far as cysts go.  Sometimes my doctor makes me feel really stupid for some of the questions I ask so I quit asking them.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron will help us to get pregnant after the 6 months of taking it is up, is this true?  When he first ordered

it

he told me it was to treat my endometriosis.  I also have PCOD and he is doing nothing to treat that, is there anything I should be doing or taking

to

treat this?  I’m sorry if some of these questions are dumb, but I

really

feel like I don’t know much about either of these diseases.  I would appreciate any info anyone can give me tremendously.  I’m  going to

my

doctor on Thursday and if anyone can think of any treatments or

anything

I should know that I can ask him about  for my conditions I would appreciate it. Thanks, Tiff

Response:

Hello all!  I’m new to this group so I don’t know how things work around here yet.  I am so glad I found this site to help me and if I’m able to help others in information and even just to be able to chat with others who know what I’m going through. I want to know if anyone has any info on Depo-Leupron.  I have only been on this shot for a little over a month and my doctor didn’t give me much info on it.  I feel like my body is  completely different.  I am only 25, have been trying to get pregnant for 6 years and never have been able to.  I had laproascopy done in September to remove a cyst on one of my ovaries.  My doctor told my husband that the cyst was larger than a baseball but smaller than a softball.  Is that very big as far as cysts go.  Sometimes my doctor makes me feel really stupid for some of the questions I ask so I quit asking them.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron will help us to get pregnant after the 6 months of taking it is up, is this true?  When he first ordered it he told me it was to treat my endometriosis.  I also have PCOD and he is doing nothing to treat that, is there anything I should be doing or taking to treat this?  I’m sorry if some of these questions are dumb, but I really feel like I don’t know much about either of these diseases.  I would appreciate any info anyone can give me tremendously.  I’m  going to my doctor on Thursday and if anyone can think of any treatments or anything I should know that I can ask him about  for my conditions I would appreciate it. Thanks, Tiff

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Hi Tiffany… For more help and information, here are some pointers: http://www.pcosupport.org/ http://forums.obgyn.net/pcos/ http://forums.obgyn.net/pcos-diet/ http://forums.obgyn.net/pcos-medication/ http://www.aace.com/ (look under syndrome X – another name for this in men and women) There is a LOT to learn about PCOS! I don’t know if I should even begin here… basically there are treatments, there are specific medications. Is the shot you took a birth control shot? The depo is reminiscent of depo-provera. Birth control is NOT an acceptable treatment for PCOS! it can even make things worse, as birth control is known to create/worsen insulin resistance (the underlying endocrine disorder known to cause most cases of PCOS). There is a specific diet you should adhere to in order to properly treat this disorder. It is low carb, high protein. You can learn more about it by reading around, by doing searches for "insulin resistance" and "polycystic ovarian syndrome" and "pcos" as well as "low carb" etc. Also if you are always feeling run-down, some good vitamins are in order. People with IR (insulin resistance) have an impaired ability to utilize nutrients from the food they eat, so can suffer quite strongly from nutritional deficiencies. I use a multivitamin and essential oils geltab that is specifically catered to help maintain glucose levels, I buy them from the Atkins Diet online: http://www.atkinsdiet.com/ Anyway good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

wrote in message <news:a1ul5t$s4f$1@ins22.netins.net… Hello all!  I’m new to this group so I don’t know how things work around here yet.  I am so glad I found this site to help me and if I’m able to help others in information and even just to be able to chat with others who know what I’m going through. I want to know if anyone has any info on Depo-Leupron.  I have only been on this shot for a little over a month and my doctor didn’t give me much info on it.  I feel like my body is  completely different.  I am only 25, have been trying to get pregnant for 6 years and never have been able to.  I had laproascopy done in September to remove a cyst on one of my ovaries.  My doctor told my husband that the cyst was larger than a baseball but smaller than a softball.  Is that very big as far as cysts go.  Sometimes my doctor makes me feel really stupid for some of the questions I ask so I quit asking them.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron will help us to get pregnant after the 6 months of taking it is up, is this true?  When he first ordered it he told me it was to treat my endometriosis.  I also have PCOD and he is doing nothing to treat that, is there anything I should be doing or taking to treat this?  I’m sorry if some of these questions are dumb, but I really feel like I don’t know much about either of these diseases.  I would appreciate any info anyone can give me tremendously.  I’m  going to my doctor on Thursday and if anyone can think of any treatments or anything I should know that I can ask him about  for my conditions I would appreciate it. Thanks, Tiff

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Hi Tiffany, First, get another doctor. He has no clue of what he is talking about. Is this an ob/gyn? I can give you some tips on finding one, or if you want to give us a general area that you live in, maybe we can pass on some doctors’ names for you to check out. If your doctor has medical resources that say Lupron will help, I’d want to know what they were. No matter what, you sound as if you aren’t getting anything out of the relationship of your doctor. Why pay for that? Second, if you have endometriosis, did your doctor remove it all when he did surgery? You said that a cyst had been removed, but didn’t state anything about whether the endometriosis had been removed, where it had been found, etc. What hormonal tests have been run? What were the values. It sounds like you need a little more thorough work up first. Third, you didn’t mention continuous BCP. That is a standard treatment for endometriosis before Lupron, and is certainly easier on the body. So I’m kind of wondering why you got put on that without any other treatments being used first. Last, I have a email group for women with PCO and endometriosis on www.egroups.com. Its called Pcoendo. Maybe you can talk to some of the ladies there. Victoria "tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net

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Hello all!  I’m new to this group so I don’t know how things work around here yet.  I am so glad I found this site to help me and if I’m able to help others in information and even just to be able to chat with others who know what I’m going through. I want to know if anyone has any info on Depo-Leupron.  I have only been on this shot for a little over a month and my doctor didn’t give me much info on it.  I feel like my body is  completely different.  I am only 25, have been trying to get pregnant for 6 years and never have been able to.  I had laproascopy done in September to remove a cyst on one of my ovaries.  My doctor told my husband that the cyst was larger than a baseball but smaller than a softball.  Is that very big as far as cysts go.  Sometimes my doctor makes me feel really stupid for some of the questions I ask so I quit asking them.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron will help us to get pregnant after the 6 months of taking it is up, is this true?  When he first ordered it he told me it was to treat my endometriosis.  I also have PCOD and he is doing nothing to treat that, is there anything I should be doing or taking to treat this?  I’m sorry if some of these questions are dumb, but I really feel like I don’t know much about either of these diseases.  I would appreciate any info anyone can give me tremendously.  I’m  going to my doctor on Thursday and if anyone can think of any treatments or anything I should know that I can ask him about  for my conditions I would appreciate it. Thanks, Tiff

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Victoria wrote:

I really have to take issue with this. Birth control is a very acceptable treatment for PCOS. I’ve known people on it who are very happy with it, its

I could argue but I’m not going to, the main thing is: if it works for you, keep with it. I’ve just known very few women w/PCOS who were happy w/birth control, myself included. It lessened the symptoms but brought others on. It even lessened my thyroid imbalance but hey, I still felt like sh*t. It wasn’t the kind of treatment I’m getting now, not in the least.

Response:

The Depo-Leupron that I am on is a shot but is not a form of birth control. To be honest with you, I don’t really know what it’s classification is. Tiffany – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Shena Delian O’Brien wrote in message <3C4385A2.5D5A6…@darklock.com

… Victoria wrote: I really have to take issue with this. Birth control is a very acceptable treatment for PCOS. I’ve known people on it who are very happy with it,

its

I could argue but I’m not going to, the main thing is: if it works for you, keep with it. I’ve just known very few women w/PCOS who were happy w/birth control, myself included. It lessened the symptoms but brought others on. It even lessened my thyroid imbalance but hey, I still felt like sh*t. It wasn’t the kind of treatment I’m getting now, not in the least.

Response:

The doctor that I’m seeing is a fertility specialist.  My regular doctor sent us to him to find out options for fertility treatments.  The first time I saw him, he asked us a few questions and then did a pap test.  That was when he found the cyst.  My next appointment with him is Thursday and this is my 3rd visit in all.  He did tell me that I did have some lesions from the endometriosis removed during my laproascopy, but he didn’t tell me where they were or if he got them all.  What is BCP?  He really never gave me an option as far as what to do next.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron shot will put my body through menopause for 6 months to treat the endometriosis and that it would help us to get pregnant.  I asked him if the Depo-Leupron would further prevent us from achieving pregnancy, and he told me I needed it to help me get pregnant.  After reading your message, I’m really wondering if he knows what he is doing.  I don’t want to further lessen my chance of becoming pregnant.  And besides that it cost us and our insurance company almost $1,500.00 per shot and I have to have another one in March. Thank you for the information you gave me.  Oh, I’m from SW Iowa, so if you or anyone else knows of a good doctor in my area, please let me know. Thank you, Tiffany Victoria wrote in message

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Hi Tiffany, First, get another doctor. He has no clue of what he is talking about. Is

this

an ob/gyn? I can give you some tips on finding one, or if you want to give

us a

general area that you live in, maybe we can pass on some doctors’ names for

you

to check out. If your doctor has medical resources that say Lupron will

help,

I’d want to know what they were. No matter what, you sound as if you aren’t getting anything out of the relationship of your doctor. Why pay for that? Second, if you have endometriosis, did your doctor remove it all when he

did

surgery? You said that a cyst had been removed, but didn’t state anything

about

whether the endometriosis had been removed, where it had been found, etc.

What

hormonal tests have been run? What were the values. It sounds like you need

a

little more thorough work up first. Third, you didn’t mention continuous BCP. That is a standard treatment for endometriosis before Lupron, and is certainly easier on the body. So I’m

kind of

wondering why you got put on that without any other treatments being used

first.

Last, I have a email group for women with PCO and endometriosis on www.egroups.com. Its called Pcoendo. Maybe you can talk to some of the

ladies

there. Victoria "tiffany miller" <tiffa…@netins.net wrote in message news:a1ul5t$s4f$1@ins22.netins.net… Hello all!  I’m new to this group so I don’t know how things work around here yet.  I am so glad I found this site to help me and if I’m able to

help

others in information and even just to be able to chat with others who

know

what I’m going through. I want to know if anyone has any info on Depo-Leupron.  I have only been

on

this shot for a little over a month and my doctor didn’t give me much

info

on it.  I feel like my body is  completely different.  I am only 25, have been trying to get pregnant for 6 years and never have been able to.  I

had

laproascopy done in September to remove a cyst on one of my ovaries.  My doctor told my husband that the cyst was larger than a baseball but

smaller

than a softball.  Is that very big as far as cysts go.  Sometimes my

doctor

makes me feel really stupid for some of the questions I ask so I quit

asking

them.  He told me that the Depo-Leupron will help us to get pregnant

after

the 6 months of taking it is up, is this true?  When he first ordered it

he

told me it was to treat my endometriosis.  I also have PCOD and he is

doing

nothing to treat that, is there anything I should be doing or taking to treat this?  I’m sorry if some of these questions are dumb, but I really feel like I don’t know much about either of these diseases.  I would appreciate any info anyone can give me tremendously.  I’m  going to my doctor on Thursday and if anyone can think of any treatments or anything

I

should know that I can ask him about  for my conditions I would

appreciate

it. Thanks, Tiff

Response:

Hi, I really have to take issue with this. Birth control is a very acceptable treatment for PCOS. I’ve known people on it who are very happy with it, its never caused them trouble, and they can see no reason why they should take anything else. One of them has been on the pill for about 7 years now. No diabetes or anything else. Some doctors won’t prescribe anything else unless you show a medical reason for anything else. I would also take a look at Dr. Speroff’s book (one of the notable writers in ob/gyn) that birth control doesn’t worsen insulin resistance (pages 508 and 509). On page 898, he specifically addresses that the low dose pills don’t have the same effect as the higher dose pills on insulin resistance. He does state that changes in how carbs work are in the non-diabetic range, and that they are minimal. The Australian study that was done where 2 women got diabetes out of 16 is a sort of side note, and there are a good number of missing variables on whether or not we have a cause and effect relationship. Victoria "Shena Delian O’Brien" <sh…@darklock.com

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Birth control is NOT an acceptable treatment for PCOS! it can even make things worse, as birth control is known to create/worsen insulin resistance (the underlying endocrine disorder known to cause most cases of PCOS).

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anxiety about blood tests

Question:

So glad you had your tests and got them over with.  You showed great courage to go through this in spite of your fear.  Asking to have the other blood test too was a great idea.  I am a night person, too, so certainly understand what you are saying. Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I had the blood test today, four hours after taking the xanax when it is usually fully at its peak. However I had that bad kind of energy (the xanax is not working the same anymore, I realized) that made it very, very hard to even stand there and speak to the woman, and thank God there was no one else waiting.  Waiting is the worst thing, and I was blessed that the nurse there was the cheery, sympathetic type who even called my dr. to ask if I could do the cortisol one today since it is usually done in the morning and I told her I had great difficulty coming in the morning. He said yes. I felt very happy that I had actually done it and the needle itself was not the problem, it was just the whole thing. It’s no different from getting a haircut, which I fleetingly thought of doing next since I was already out, but decided not to as that was something that could wait. It’s waited this long and it’s not anything except cosmetic. The haircut thing is just as invasive as giving blood only worse in that they will keep you there working on your head for at least twenty minutes and if you go to one like my daughters, two hours. I do not know how women handle it. I told myself these symptoms of jumping out of my skin are nothing new, that so what if the xanax isn’t working, it’s no wonder since I am evidently very hyperthyroid. And I told myself I held down a job when I was hyperthyroid before so I can handle this one task. So I did use some positive self talk and it helped me. I only wish clinics and so on were open after midnight when I am at my best.

– Problems are only opportunities in work clothes.                            –Henry Kaiser

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Well I had the blood test today, four hours after taking the xanax when it is usually fully at its peak. However I had that bad kind of energy (the xanax is not working the same anymore, I realized) that made it very, very hard to even stand there and speak to the woman, and thank God there was no one else waiting.  Waiting is the worst thing, and I was blessed that the nurse there was the cheery, sympathetic type who even called my dr. to ask if I could do the cortisol one today since it is usually done in the morning and I told her I had great difficulty coming in the morning. He said yes. I felt very happy that I had actually done it and the needle itself was not the problem, it was just the whole thing. It’s no different from getting a haircut, which I fleetingly thought of doing next since I was already out, but decided not to as that was something that could wait. It’s waited this long and it’s not anything except cosmetic. The haircut thing is just as invasive as giving blood only worse in that they will keep you there working on your head for at least twenty minutes and if you go to one like my daughters, two hours. I do not know how women handle it. I told myself these symptoms of jumping out of my skin are nothing new, that so what if the xanax isn’t working, it’s no wonder since I am evidently very hyperthyroid. And I told myself I held down a job when I was hyperthyroid before so I can handle this one task. So I did use some positive self talk and it helped me. I only wish clinics and so on were open after midnight when I am at my best.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to those who posted replies. Sorry if anyone has tried to write me; that is of course a made-up email address. My real address, which I will getting bulk mail in huge amounts and I am still getting it from the times when I posted my email address. But now I worry I might miss some replies if people were to try to write to my made up address. I didn’t mention that I have also developed a phobia about toothpaste and now brush my teeth with water. I got this low-foam toothpaste from India and yet it still has some mint in it. Could they control themselves with the mint? What is the obsession with mint? Does everyone else enjoy the burning feeling in the mouth? The alternatives, like the repulsive bubble gum flavoured ones, or something horrible like myrrh – those are no better. I was still unable to get to the lab yesterday. Four hours after I took the xanax I was calm enough but by then the lab was once again closed. My plan now is to take it earlier, to get there in time. I hope I am not being annoying by posting these recent posts. I feel the need to communicate with people who understand. My psych has no openings until June 13. Because I was "better" recently I was seeing him only when I called him so I can’t always get to see him when I need to. It used to be good for me to go once a week but now he can’t find the room for me, now that I am worse. I am surprised every morning when I wake up alive considering how many things are haywire in my body. Like the constant low fever. I suppose this is just anxiety-thinking. In a sense it is reassuring that maybe these horrible sensations I have are not some life threatening thing. For example I have constant abdominal pain. They find nothing wrong or say it is stress, so I live with it. What I eat or don’t eat has no effect – everything either causes indigestion, or doesn’t, at varying times. I used to be the healthiest person around and I continually wonder what is this nightmare and when will I wake up from it? But it’s not a dream. I realize the panicky feelings about giving blood etc. are just surges of adrenaline. I am supersensitive to all things – kind of a performance anxiety. Even if I am telling some good news to someone on the phone I will get the surge of adrenaline just like I used to get in the last classes I took (so I had to drop out). If this one hormone works so thrillingly well it is just too bad the others can’t follow along. I saw an interview with Michael J. Fox who said about his Parkinson’s symptoms, that any pain means you are alive – that is the good thing about it. I found that very profound. It’s true all right. The last time I gave blood was not the panic time; it was the time before that where the nurse said I looked "pale". That threw me into a panic for weeks that my blood pressure was low, or I had hypoglycemia, etc. I started loading up on carbohydrates all the time to avoid being weak and "pale". I don’t gain any weight from it as my metabolism seems to be churning in high gear. The only time I can eat without indigestion though is late at night, after midnight. What is that all about? The last time I gave blood, I told the nurse I had trouble with it and was afraid. She started asking me about my jacket and where I got it; she was I realized later, distracting me. That was a wonderful technique. I was elated when I didn’t feel ill during or after it – only before. I know it will be the same next time, it’s just forcing myself to get beyond the extreme tension in  my muscles and the dread. There are people like my mother who are so unconcerned about physical symptoms that they remain active up until they are felled by a horrific disease or accident. She never told us about any symptoms in the past year; surely she would have had transient ischemic attacks. But she was a non-hypochondriac and one of the blessed people who did not die a thousand deaths every day as worriers do. Why am I so opposite – I am more like my father who was so full of anxiety and medical problems like heart disease that he was on a dozen prescription pills and also probably messed with them not taking them right because he thought he knew better. Despite my doctors’ theory that my mom’s stroke is causing my indigestion and anxiety, I had these before that event. They forget that simple fact. The worry did exacerbate what I already had, it’s true. I was forced to go back to my sedatives. But now she is stable and there is no reason for my body to be in a constant state of war unless it is a prolonged grief for losing her, because she has lost the ability to communicate. But I felt I had come to terms with that. I wonder if the autonomous system works quietly in the background continuing to malfunction because of the grief and the dread of a funeral ahead, and the dread of having to help arrange her affairs with my siblings, who are going to cause me stress.  I don’t know any of this, but they wait for me to get "better" so I can come back and do all the work. I don’t know. I used to fear needles, but now have gotten over it by just having tests done so much at the hospital.  It is as if a tolerance has happened. Perhaps you could just take as much xanax as you need to get through it then reward yourself with handling it. Take care, Liz I never used to have a phobia about giving blood as I have had to do it frequently in the last ten years due to my thyroid condition. I thought nothing of it. But now I have a dread of getting the tests, afraid of feeling faint and weak which I did just once. How do I overcome this? Yesterday I sat outside the lab for a long time trying to get the courage and I never did. I have to get these tests to find out if my thyroid dose is incorrect. I took two half doses of xanax an hour apart (one half dose used to be enough) and finally some hours later felt calm enough to do it but by then the labs were closed. Today I am absolutely too shaky and hoping the xanax calms me enough to do it before the lab closes again. I cannot understand this as I recently flew to and from California when my mom had a stroke and had no fear of the airplane. I even tolerated the heat there although it was very very uncomfortable (102, even the natives were complaining; it was literally like a blast furnace and being in it for 30 seconds made me feel ill and faint so I learned to stay out of it) and I had to go back to using xanax daily. But I found the courage to go there to see my mother and I survived. In fact the usual half doseof xanax no longer works for extreme anxiety and so I end up taking a whole pill , .25, every day most days now. My doctors said this is perfectly safe and necessary if I cannot cope. I had been in the process of withdrawing from xanax when my mom’s crisis happened. The worrying about being dependent will have to wait – I am fully dependent and although the effect is short lived, they ease my nervousness at least by half, and give me a sense of calm, but the effect takes about two hours and the calmest period is after four hours. As it turned out my mom is not going to die, and I am not currently upset about that; I have adapted to her condition which is a sleep-like state. We believe with rehab she will recover some functions; she is a strong woman. But my anxiety symptoms are returning in full force. My thyroid pills suddenly have become too strong. I have abdominal pain and low grade fever, and constant tremors. But my doctors do not seem overly

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Thanks to those who posted replies. Sorry if anyone has tried to write me; that is of course a made-up email address. My real address, which I will bulk mail in huge amounts and I am still getting it from the times when I posted my email address. But now I worry I might miss some replies if people were to try to write to my made up address. I didn’t mention that I have also developed a phobia about toothpaste and now brush my teeth with water. I got this low-foam toothpaste from India and yet it still has some mint in it. Could they control themselves with the mint? What is the obsession with mint? Does everyone else enjoy the burning feeling in the mouth? The alternatives, like the repulsive bubble gum flavoured ones, or something horrible like myrrh – those are no better. I was still unable to get to the lab yesterday. Four hours after I took the xanax I was calm enough but by then the lab was once again closed. My plan now is to take it earlier, to get there in time. I hope I am not being annoying by posting these recent posts. I feel the need to communicate with people who understand. My psych has no openings until June 13. Because I was "better" recently I was seeing him only when I called him so I can’t always get to see him when I need to. It used to be good for me to go once a week but now he can’t find the room for me, now that I am worse. I am surprised every morning when I wake up alive considering how many things are haywire in my body. Like the constant low fever. I suppose this is just anxiety-thinking. In a sense it is reassuring that maybe these horrible sensations I have are not some life threatening thing. For example I have constant abdominal pain. They find nothing wrong or say it is stress, so I live with it. What I eat or don’t eat has no effect – everything either causes indigestion, or doesn’t, at varying times. I used to be the healthiest person around and I continually wonder what is this nightmare and when will I wake up from it? But it’s not a dream. I realize the panicky feelings about giving blood etc. are just surges of adrenaline. I am supersensitive to all things – kind of a performance anxiety. Even if I am telling some good news to someone on the phone I will get the surge of adrenaline just like I used to get in the last classes I took (so I had to drop out). If this one hormone works so thrillingly well it is just too bad the others can’t follow along. I saw an interview with Michael J. Fox who said about his Parkinson’s symptoms, that any pain means you are alive – that is the good thing about it. I found that very profound. It’s true all right. The last time I gave blood was not the panic time; it was the time before that where the nurse said I looked "pale". That threw me into a panic for weeks that my blood pressure was low, or I had hypoglycemia, etc. I started loading up on carbohydrates all the time to avoid being weak and "pale". I don’t gain any weight from it as my metabolism seems to be churning in high gear. The only time I can eat without indigestion though is late at night, after midnight. What is that all about? The last time I gave blood, I told the nurse I had trouble with it and was afraid. She started asking me about my jacket and where I got it; she was I realized later, distracting me. That was a wonderful technique. I was elated when I didn’t feel ill during or after it – only before. I know it will be the same next time, it’s just forcing myself to get beyond the extreme tension in  my muscles and the dread. There are people like my mother who are so unconcerned about physical symptoms that they remain active up until they are felled by a horrific disease or accident. She never told us about any symptoms in the past year; surely she would have had transient ischemic attacks. But she was a non-hypochondriac and one of the blessed people who did not die a thousand deaths every day as worriers do. Why am I so opposite – I am more like my father who was so full of anxiety and medical problems like heart disease that he was on a dozen prescription pills and also probably messed with them not taking them right because he thought he knew better. Despite my doctors’ theory that my mom’s stroke is causing my indigestion and anxiety, I had these before that event. They forget that simple fact. The worry did exacerbate what I already had, it’s true. I was forced to go back to my sedatives. But now she is stable and there is no reason for my body to be in a constant state of war unless it is a prolonged grief for losing her, because she has lost the ability to communicate. But I felt I had come to terms with that. I wonder if the autonomous system works quietly in the background continuing to malfunction because of the grief and the dread of a funeral ahead, and the dread of having to help arrange her affairs with my siblings, who are going to cause me stress.  I don’t know any of this, but they wait for me to get "better" so I can come back and do all the work. I don’t know.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to fear needles, but now have gotten over it by just having tests done so much at the hospital.  It is as if a tolerance has happened. Perhaps you could just take as much xanax as you need to get through it then reward yourself with handling it. Take care, Liz I never used to have a phobia about giving blood as I have had to do it frequently in the last ten years due to my thyroid condition. I thought nothing of it. But now I have a dread of getting the tests, afraid of feeling faint and weak which I did just once. How do I overcome this? Yesterday I sat outside the lab for a long time trying to get the courage and I never did. I have to get these tests to find out if my thyroid dose is incorrect. I took two half doses of xanax an hour apart (one half dose used to be enough) and finally some hours later felt calm enough to do it but by then the labs were closed. Today I am absolutely too shaky and hoping the xanax calms me enough to do it before the lab closes again. I cannot understand this as I recently flew to and from California when my mom had a stroke and had no fear of the airplane. I even tolerated the heat there although it was very very uncomfortable (102, even the natives were complaining; it was literally like a blast furnace and being in it for 30 seconds made me feel ill and faint so I learned to stay out of it) and I had to go back to using xanax daily. But I found the courage to go there to see my mother and I survived. In fact the usual half doseof xanax no longer works for extreme anxiety and so I end up taking a whole pill , .25, every day most days now. My doctors said this is perfectly safe and necessary if I cannot cope. I had been in the process of withdrawing from xanax when my mom’s crisis happened. The worrying about being dependent will have to wait – I am fully dependent and although the effect is short lived, they ease my nervousness at least by half, and give me a sense of calm, but the effect takes about two hours and the calmest period is after four hours. As it turned out my mom is not going to die, and I am not currently upset about that; I have adapted to her condition which is a sleep-like state. We believe with rehab she will recover some functions; she is a strong woman. But my anxiety symptoms are returning in full force. My thyroid pills suddenly have become too strong. I have abdominal pain and low grade fever, and constant tremors. But my doctors do not seem overly concerned and think these things will resolve themselves. I don’t want to be a hypochondriac, therefore I am just bearing this current attack alone. I considered going to the clinic just for reassurance. But I just saw my main two doctors this week. What would be the point? My other recent phobias include getting a haircut, washing my hair, taking care of my plants, cooking, cleaning, going to the store, returning calls, going to the bank, you name it. I never used to have any of these fears. On the days when I feel stable enough, I can do some of these things and enjoy them. Except the haircut. I have a deep fear of hair salons so I had to grow my hair long and straight. It looks fine but it is so heavy and hard to wash. But during the unstable days I am a bundle of nervous energy that is unusable and I just want to get a million tests done to find out what is wrong. Yet on the days when I feel that ill I cannot stand to go to a dr. and wait in the waiting room, let alone dealing with the traffic. I did ok yesterday and went, and I have the order for the 3 blood tests and I am feeling to sick to go and get it done. I tell myself that it doesn’t matter if I collapse and perish from whatever is wrong that they cannot diagnose; and also that I have had attacks like this before and they went away. But in the middle of them they seem eternal and they seem unprecedented. With xanax I get a calm acceptance and nothing bothers me anymore. I could not give that up now for anything. It is the one thing that works to lessen the suffering and I am thankful it exists. I have to learn some techniques for doing the difficult things I am so afraid of. I know techniques, I have seen a psychiatrist for 4 years, but these techniques do not work in my high state of anxiety currently. My mind and body are racing

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I used to fear needles, but now have gotten over it by just having tests done so much at the hospital.  It is as if a tolerance has happened. Perhaps you could just take as much xanax as you need to get through it then reward yourself with handling it.   Take care, Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never used to have a phobia about giving blood as I have had to do it frequently in the last ten years due to my thyroid condition. I thought nothing of it. But now I have a dread of getting the tests, afraid of feeling faint and weak which I did just once. How do I overcome this? Yesterday I sat outside the lab for a long time trying to get the courage and I never did. I have to get these tests to find out if my thyroid dose is incorrect. I took two half doses of xanax an hour apart (one half dose used to be enough) and finally some hours later felt calm enough to do it but by then the labs were closed. Today I am absolutely too shaky and hoping the xanax calms me enough to do it before the lab closes again. I cannot understand this as I recently flew to and from California when my mom had a stroke and had no fear of the airplane. I even tolerated the heat there although it was very very uncomfortable (102, even the natives were complaining; it was literally like a blast furnace and being in it for 30 seconds made me feel ill and faint so I learned to stay out of it) and I had to go back to using xanax daily. But I found the courage to go there to see my mother and I survived. In fact the usual half doseof xanax no longer works for extreme anxiety and so I end up taking a whole pill , .25, every day most days now. My doctors said this is perfectly safe and necessary if I cannot cope. I had been in the process of withdrawing from xanax when my mom’s crisis happened. The worrying about being dependent will have to wait – I am fully dependent and although the effect is short lived, they ease my nervousness at least by half, and give me a sense of calm, but the effect takes about two hours and the calmest period is after four hours. As it turned out my mom is not going to die, and I am not currently upset about that; I have adapted to her condition which is a sleep-like state. We believe with rehab she will recover some functions; she is a strong woman. But my anxiety symptoms are returning in full force. My thyroid pills suddenly have become too strong. I have abdominal pain and low grade fever, and constant tremors. But my doctors do not seem overly concerned and think these things will resolve themselves. I don’t want to be a hypochondriac, therefore I am just bearing this current attack alone. I considered going to the clinic just for reassurance. But I just saw my main two doctors this week. What would be the point? My other recent phobias include getting a haircut, washing my hair, taking care of my plants, cooking, cleaning, going to the store, returning calls, going to the bank, you name it. I never used to have any of these fears. On the days when I feel stable enough, I can do some of these things and enjoy them. Except the haircut. I have a deep fear of hair salons so I had to grow my hair long and straight. It looks fine but it is so heavy and hard to wash. But during the unstable days I am a bundle of nervous energy that is unusable and I just want to get a million tests done to find out what is wrong. Yet on the days when I feel that ill I cannot stand to go to a dr. and wait in the waiting room, let alone dealing with the traffic. I did ok yesterday and went, and I have the order for the 3 blood tests and I am feeling to sick to go and get it done. I tell myself that it doesn’t matter if I collapse and perish from whatever is wrong that they cannot diagnose; and also that I have had attacks like this before and they went away. But in the middle of them they seem eternal and they seem unprecedented. With xanax I get a calm acceptance and nothing bothers me anymore. I could not give that up now for anything. It is the one thing that works to lessen the suffering and I am thankful it exists. I have to learn some techniques for doing the difficult things I am so afraid of. I know techniques, I have seen a psychiatrist for 4 years, but these techniques do not work in my high state of anxiety currently. My mind and body are racing and I fear having various undiagnosed illnesses or flat out dying before I am ready. When you talk about any of this they assume you are just disturbed mentally, which I am not. I am distressed physically, and it all stems from the thyroid imbalance, as when it is in balance I am placid and cheerful and can do plenty of things. But they can’t seem to find the right treatment for it so my health remains erratic. Today I got the courage to call the world famous woman gynecologist in my city whom I’ve been planning to see for a long time, and now I find she is not taking new patients. So I blew that chance. Oh yes I also have a pill phobia, and dread any new drug that is prescribed, yet fearless about the ones I know have had no bad effects. What is the answer?

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I forgot to mention that I also have a long standing phobia about movie theatres, but to please my daughter I went with her the other day and although the tenseness was horrible, the xanax calmed me enough after a while to be able to stand it and I did enjoy the movie in spite of myself (Bridget Jones’ Diary). It seems my senses usually cannot stand the loud booming speakers, the huge screen with its moving colours, and of course if the theatre is not well chilled or if it is too crowded I could not stay there. But none of these conditions were present and the sound was for once not turned up full blast and it was a light comedy. Still, I would not want to repeat it. I had not gone to a theatre since Pleasantville. That must be 3 years ago. These things are an ordeal, and not fun. I used to love movies. But this is an example of my practicing non-avoidance of my phobias. I do sometimes force myself to do things especially when they are for someone else, and yet, why should everything have to be an ordeal? Then last night I thought I felt stable and agreed to go food shopping with daughter, but after just ten minutes or so my legs became too weak to walk around that huge, huge supermarket and I had to get the keys to her car and wait there for her. And I had thought I was fine as it was the midst of the xanax calmness, but apparently not. When an attack of weakness or nerves hits me it just doesn’t care the circumstances or inconvenience it causes. I suppose I can increase my dosage and I am not unwilling. I always took less than prescribed or just enough to dull the suffering but not cause me to fall asleep. I Realize this is a very low dose, .25 a day.  I in general always try to tough it out and deal with my anxiety and yet lately I do not feel able to do that. So I am seeing my psychiatrist more than usual, as I have to have at least one person I can talk to about my fears. Another bizarre thing is, I have smoked for about 25 years, but not excessively. In the past year I increased to over a pack a day, and smoke incessantly but waste half of them. I only like lighting them up and a few puffs. Then I know I have to save the butts and smoke the rest of them as it is just wasting money, they cost so much. Then it looks bizarre to keep full ashtrays around the house and sometimes I just empty them. That always coincides with not being able to get to the store and get more….. to throw them out is an act of faith that I will be able to go to the store soon. But they are my main crutch – more so than anything else. It’s a true, horrific addiction, but I fear giving them up. I do wonder if the nicotine dependence has anything to do with my anxiety. I always thought they calmed me. As for coffee I long ago cut down to one cup in the morning and if especially tense I don’t have any. So I am not getting too much of that. Paradoxically sometimes I crave coffee in the mid afternoon or evening and it has a calming effect. That is not very often.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never used to have a phobia about giving blood as I have had to do it frequently in the last ten years due to my thyroid condition. I thought nothing of it. But now I have a dread of getting the tests, afraid of feeling faint and weak which I did just once. How do I overcome this? Yesterday I sat outside the lab for a long time trying to get the courage and I never did. I have to get these tests to find out if my thyroid dose is incorrect. I took two half doses of xanax an hour apart (one half dose used to be enough) and finally some hours later felt calm enough to do it but by then the labs were closed. Today I am absolutely too shaky and hoping the xanax calms me enough to do it before the lab closes again. I cannot understand this as I recently flew to and from California when my mom had a stroke and had no fear of the airplane. I even tolerated the heat there although it was very very uncomfortable (102, even the natives were complaining; it was literally like a blast furnace and being in it for 30 seconds made me feel ill and faint so I learned to stay out of it) and I had to go back to using xanax daily. But I found the courage to go there to see my mother and I survived. In fact the usual half doseof xanax no longer works for extreme anxiety and so I end up taking a whole pill , .25, every day most days now. My doctors said this is perfectly safe and necessary if I cannot cope. I had been in the process of withdrawing from xanax when my mom’s crisis happened. The worrying about being dependent will have to wait – I am fully dependent and although the effect is short lived, they ease my nervousness at least by half, and give me a sense of calm, but the effect takes about two hours and the calmest period is after four hours. As it turned out my mom is not going to die, and I am not currently upset about that; I have adapted to her condition which is a sleep-like state. We believe with rehab she will recover some functions; she is a strong woman. But my anxiety symptoms are returning in full force. My thyroid pills suddenly have become too strong. I have abdominal pain and low grade fever, and constant tremors. But my doctors do not seem overly concerned and think these things will resolve themselves. I don’t want to be a hypochondriac, therefore I am just bearing this current attack alone. I considered going to the clinic just for reassurance. But I just saw my main two doctors this week. What would be the point? My other recent phobias include getting a haircut, washing my hair, taking care of my plants, cooking, cleaning, going to the store, returning calls, going to the bank, you name it. I never used to have any of these fears. On the days when I feel stable enough, I can do some of these things and enjoy them. Except the haircut. I have a deep fear of hair salons so I had to grow my hair long and straight. It looks fine but it is so heavy and hard to wash. But during the unstable days I am a bundle of nervous energy that is unusable and I just want to get a million tests done to find out what is wrong. Yet on the days when I feel that ill I cannot stand to go to a dr. and wait in the waiting room, let alone dealing with the traffic. I did ok yesterday and went, and I have the order for the 3 blood tests and I am feeling to sick to go and get it done. I tell myself that it doesn’t matter if I collapse and perish from whatever is wrong that they cannot diagnose; and also that I have had attacks like this before and they went away. But in the middle of them they seem eternal and they seem unprecedented. With xanax I get a calm acceptance and nothing bothers me anymore. I could not give that up now for anything. It is the one thing that works to lessen the suffering and I am thankful it exists. I have to learn some techniques for doing the difficult things I am so afraid of. I know techniques, I have seen a psychiatrist for 4 years, but these techniques do not work in my high state of anxiety currently. My mind and body are racing and I fear having various undiagnosed illnesses or flat out dying before I am ready. When you talk about any of this they assume you are just disturbed mentally, which I am not. I am distressed physically, and it all stems from the thyroid imbalance, as when it is in balance I am placid and cheerful and can do plenty of things. But they can’t seem to find the right treatment for it so my health remains erratic. Today I got the courage to call the world famous woman gynecologist in my city whom I’ve been planning to see for a long time, and now I find she is not taking new patients. So I blew that chance. Oh yes I also have a pill phobia, and dread any new drug that is prescribed, yet fearless about the ones I know have had no bad effects. What is the answer?

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Hi Pouring rain, I love your addy…anyone who loves the Beatles is already on the road to recovery. From what you have written you are under alot of stress…when giving blood, don’t hesitate to tell the nurse or whomever that you are feeling overwhelmed and apprehensive about being pricked for blood. You can lie down, which is what I do..and you have nothing to be ashamed about. As long as you are communicating with your doctor about your xanax use you will be in good shape. Give yourself permission to feel anxious under the major amount of stress you are enduring. You’ll get past this. Peace Blessings and Joy, John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never used to have a phobia about giving blood as I have had to do it frequently in the last ten years due to my thyroid condition. I thought nothing of it. But now I have a dread of getting the tests, afraid of feeling faint and weak which I did just once. How do I overcome this? Yesterday I sat outside the lab for a long time trying to get the courage and I never did. I have to get these tests to find out if my thyroid dose is incorrect. I took two half doses of xanax an hour apart (one half dose used to be enough) and finally some hours later felt calm enough to do it but by then the labs were closed. Today I am absolutely too shaky and hoping the xanax calms me enough to do it before the lab closes again. I cannot understand this as I recently flew to and from California when my mom had a stroke and had no fear of the airplane. I even tolerated the heat there although it was very very uncomfortable (102, even the natives were complaining; it was literally like a blast furnace and being in it for 30 seconds made me feel ill and faint so I learned to stay out of it) and I had to go back to using xanax daily. But I found the courage to go there to see my mother and I survived. In fact the usual half doseof xanax no longer works for extreme anxiety and so I end up taking a whole pill , .25, every day most days now. My doctors said this is perfectly safe and necessary if I cannot cope. I had been in the process of withdrawing from xanax when my mom’s crisis happened. The worrying about being dependent will have to wait – I am fully dependent and although the effect is short lived, they ease my nervousness at least by half, and give me a sense of calm, but the effect takes about two hours and the calmest period is after four hours. As it turned out my mom is not going to die, and I am not currently upset about that; I have adapted to her condition which is a sleep-like state. We believe with rehab she will recover some functions; she is a strong woman. But my anxiety symptoms are returning in full force. My thyroid pills suddenly have become too strong. I have abdominal pain and low grade fever, and constant tremors. But my doctors do not seem overly concerned and think these things will resolve themselves. I don’t want to be a hypochondriac, therefore I am just bearing this current attack alone. I considered going to the clinic just for reassurance. But I just saw my main two doctors this week. What would be the point? My other recent phobias include getting a haircut, washing my hair, taking care of my plants, cooking, cleaning, going to the store, returning calls, going to the bank, you name it. I never used to have any of these fears. On the days when I feel stable enough, I can do some of these things and enjoy them. Except the haircut. I have a deep fear of hair salons so I had to grow my hair long and straight. It looks fine but it is so heavy and hard to wash. But during the unstable days I am a bundle of nervous energy that is unusable and I just want to get a million tests done to find out what is wrong. Yet on the days when I feel that ill I cannot stand to go to a dr. and wait in the waiting room, let alone dealing with the traffic. I did ok yesterday and went, and I have the order for the 3 blood tests and I am feeling to sick to go and get it done. I tell myself that it doesn’t matter if I collapse and perish from whatever is wrong that they cannot diagnose; and also that I have had attacks like this before and they went away. But in the middle of them they seem eternal and they seem unprecedented. With xanax I get a calm acceptance and nothing bothers me anymore. I could not give that up now for anything. It is the one thing that works to lessen the suffering and I am thankful it exists. I have to learn some techniques for doing the difficult things I am so afraid of. I know techniques, I have seen a psychiatrist for 4 years, but these techniques do not work in my high state of anxiety currently. My mind and body are racing and I fear having various undiagnosed illnesses or flat out dying before I am ready. When you talk about any of this they assume you are just disturbed mentally, which I am not. I am distressed physically, and it all stems from the thyroid imbalance, as when it is in balance I am placid and cheerful and can do plenty of things. But they can’t seem to find the right treatment for it so my health remains erratic. Today I got the courage to call the world famous woman gynecologist in my city whom I’ve been planning to see for a long time, and now I find she is not taking new patients. So I blew that chance. Oh yes I also have a pill phobia, and dread any new drug that is prescribed, yet fearless about the ones I know have had no bad effects. What is the answer?

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I never used to have a phobia about giving blood as I have had to do it frequently in the last ten years due to my thyroid condition. I thought nothing of it. But now I have a dread of getting the tests, afraid of feeling faint and weak which I did just once. How do I overcome this? Yesterday I sat outside the lab for a long time trying to get the courage and I never did. I have to get these tests to find out if my thyroid dose is incorrect. I took two half doses of xanax an hour apart (one half dose used to be enough) and finally some hours later felt calm enough to do it but by then the labs were closed. Today I am absolutely too shaky and hoping the xanax calms me enough to do it before the lab closes again. I cannot understand this as I recently flew to and from California when my mom had a stroke and had no fear of the airplane. I even tolerated the heat there although it was very very uncomfortable (102, even the natives were complaining; it was literally like a blast furnace and being in it for 30 seconds made me feel ill and faint so I learned to stay out of it) and I had to go back to using xanax daily. But I found the courage to go there to see my mother and I survived. In fact the usual half doseof xanax no longer works for extreme anxiety and so I end up taking a whole pill , .25, every day most days now. My doctors said this is perfectly safe and necessary if I cannot cope. I had been in the process of withdrawing from xanax when my mom’s crisis happened. The worrying about being dependent will have to wait – I am fully dependent and although the effect is short lived, they ease my nervousness at least by half, and give me a sense of calm, but the effect takes about two hours and the calmest period is after four hours. As it turned out my mom is not going to die, and I am not currently upset about that; I have adapted to her condition which is a sleep-like state. We believe with rehab she will recover some functions; she is a strong woman. But my anxiety symptoms are returning in full force. My thyroid pills suddenly have become too strong. I have abdominal pain and low grade fever, and constant tremors. But my doctors do not seem overly concerned and think these things will resolve themselves. I don’t want to be a hypochondriac, therefore I am just bearing this current attack alone. I considered going to the clinic just for reassurance. But I just saw my main two doctors this week. What would be the point? My other recent phobias include getting a haircut, washing my hair, taking care of my plants, cooking, cleaning, going to the store, returning calls, going to the bank, you name it. I never used to have any of these fears. On the days when I feel stable enough, I can do some of these things and enjoy them. Except the haircut. I have a deep fear of hair salons so I had to grow my hair long and straight. It looks fine but it is so heavy and hard to wash. But during the unstable days I am a bundle of nervous energy that is unusable and I just want to get a million tests done to find out what is wrong. Yet on the days when I feel that ill I cannot stand to go to a dr. and wait in the waiting room, let alone dealing with the traffic. I did ok yesterday and went, and I have the order for the 3 blood tests and I am feeling to sick to go and get it done. I tell myself that it doesn’t matter if I collapse and perish from whatever is wrong that they cannot diagnose; and also that I have had attacks like this before and they went away. But in the middle of them they seem eternal and they seem unprecedented. With xanax I get a calm acceptance and nothing bothers me anymore. I could not give that up now for anything. It is the one thing that works to lessen the suffering and I am thankful it exists. I have to learn some techniques for doing the difficult things I am so afraid of. I know techniques, I have seen a psychiatrist for 4 years, but these techniques do not work in my high state of anxiety currently. My mind and body are racing and I fear having various undiagnosed illnesses or flat out dying before I am ready. When you talk about any of this they assume you are just disturbed mentally, which I am not. I am distressed physically, and it all stems from the thyroid imbalance, as when it is in balance I am placid and cheerful and can do plenty of things. But they can’t seem to find the right treatment for it so my health remains erratic. Today I got the courage to call the world famous woman gynecologist in my city whom I’ve been planning to see for a long time, and now I find she is not taking new patients. So I blew that chance. Oh yes I also have a pill phobia, and dread any new drug that is prescribed, yet fearless about the ones I know have had no bad effects. What is the answer?

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lump on my dog's throat

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i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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Let us all know the results ASAP. Last October, Snow, our 9 year old RC Collie was diagnoised with terminal cancer. She had a lump in her throat. Hopefully it won’t be cancer. i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

Roger C. Covalt If you have a pet, check out our Homeopathic Vet’s web site: http://hometown.aol.com/drsblakecs/petwhisperer.html

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Good to have it checked out as soon as possible. If its a hard lump it may be a lymph node. It may be nothing or it may be something. Try to have the Vet asperate it if he/she can.  My dog had a lump diagnosied earlier this week..results came back positive for lymphatic cancer, so now we have to go down the chemo road.  This is not your fault keep that in mind, these lumps appear very quickly…good luck…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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came in from work today and the lump has increased in size… we can’t wait to get her to the doctor in the morning… so far nothing is wrong with her other than the lump is there… we’re just real scared its something bad… seeya…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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Hoping all will be well with your dog…. please let us know what it is.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – came in from work today and the lump has increased in size… we can’t wait to get her to the doctor in the morning… so far nothing is wrong with her other than the lump is there… we’re just real scared its something bad… seeya… i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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I hope it is nothing serious.  Best wishes for tomorrow. Deb K. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – came in from work today and the lump has increased in size… we can’t wait to get her to the doctor in the morning… so far nothing is wrong with her other than the lump is there… we’re just real scared its something bad… seeya… i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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i’m sitting here with the laptop trying to wait patiently for time to leave to go to the doctor… cinnamon is just a usual, we went out for a half hour this morning and she and her brother pepper went thru their normal routine… the only difference was that it was 2 hours later as i stayed home from work today and we could all sleep in… the knot hasn’t increased any since last night… but it went from walnut size to 2 walnut sizes in 24 hours… maybe she has a thyroid imbalance and needs a supplement… but then, she shows NO symptoms that go along with that problem… we’re in a state of mourning…  expect the worst and hope for the best.. kind of thing… thank you for your consoling messages…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – came in from work today and the lump has increased in size… we can’t wait to get her to the doctor in the morning… so far nothing is wrong with her other than the lump is there… we’re just real scared its something bad… seeya… i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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GREAT NEWS!!!! just got back from the doctor and Cinnamon’s sins have been found out… it seems she has had a run-in with a splinter/thorn… and the huge knot was just infection which the doctor used a HUGE hypodermic needle and withdrew 2 1/2 tubes of fluid…. we knew that something had been into the rose bushes, we had seen some signs of digging… so the evidence points to good old Cinnamon  <grin… i have made several phone calls to family this morning and everyone is happy and ready to party this weekend… looks like we’re gonna get to keep our baby a while longer yet…. so lets break out the diet cola and the oven baked chips, the no fat dip, and the veggie burgers!!! the parties on!!! thank you all for the support!!!  it was a worrisome 24 hours… i almost called doc for permission to double my paxil dosage… i was really getting depressed again… have a happy and safe memorial weekend!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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YAAAY! I am so glad for you! Nancy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GREAT NEWS!!!! just got back from the doctor and Cinnamon’s sins have been found out… it seems she has had a run-in with a splinter/thorn… and the huge knot was just infection which the doctor used a HUGE hypodermic needle and withdrew 2 1/2 tubes of fluid…. we knew that something had been into the rose bushes, we had seen some signs of digging… so the evidence points to good old Cinnamon  <grin… i have made several phone calls to family this morning and everyone is happy and ready to party this weekend… looks like we’re gonna get to keep our baby a while longer yet…. so lets break out the diet cola and the oven baked chips, the no fat dip, and the veggie burgers!!! the parties on!!! thank you all for the support!!!  it was a worrisome 24 hours… i almost called doc for permission to double my paxil dosage… i was really getting depressed again… have a happy and safe memorial weekend! i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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So happy to hear the good news!! Paula

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Heck, for news this good you should have sirloins all around, and liquor for the humans!  I am so glad for you and Cinnamon that she isn’t too bad off. jdoee and Stacey Dog – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GREAT NEWS!!!! just got back from the doctor and Cinnamon’s sins have been found out… it seems she has had a run-in with a splinter/thorn… and the huge knot was just infection which the doctor used a HUGE hypodermic needle and withdrew 2 1/2 tubes of fluid…. we knew that something had been into the rose bushes, we had seen some signs of digging… so the evidence points to good old Cinnamon  <grin… i have made several phone calls to family this morning and everyone is happy and ready to party this weekend… looks like we’re gonna get to keep our baby a while longer yet…. so lets break out the diet cola and the oven baked chips, the no fat dip, and the veggie burgers!!! the parties on!!! thank you all for the support!!!  it was a worrisome 24 hours… i almost called doc for permission to double my paxil dosage… i was really getting depressed again… have a happy and safe memorial weekend! i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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Great news…I’m happy for you……

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GREAT NEWS!!!! just got back from the doctor and Cinnamon’s sins have been found out… it seems she has had a run-in with a splinter/thorn… and the huge knot was just infection which the doctor used a HUGE hypodermic needle and withdrew 2 1/2 tubes of fluid…. we knew that something had been into the rose bushes, we had seen some signs of digging… so the evidence points to good old Cinnamon  <grin… i have made several phone calls to family this morning and everyone is happy and ready to party this weekend… looks like we’re gonna get to keep our baby a while longer yet…. so lets break out the diet cola and the oven baked chips, the no fat dip, and the veggie burgers!!! the parties on!!! thank you all for the support!!!  it was a worrisome 24 hours… i almost called doc for permission to double my paxil dosage… i was really getting depressed again… have a happy and safe memorial weekend! i have a 2 year old lab mix female… i discovered a lump on her throat just under the jaw… i can’t imagine having not felt it before as she loves to be rubbed, but its right under where her collar rides… we have an appointment friday morning with our regular doctor… its very difficult for me to wait… she doesn’t seem to be in any pain, no appetite loss, or any different acting… what’s the problem?  a cancer?  i hope not…

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Wonderful news!!! Do you ever watch emergency pet channel on the tv? Last week they showed a golden retriever that had a branch lodged in his throat. It was hard to believe but but I guess anything is possible. I’m so glad though that everything has turned out ok for you.

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GREAT NEWS!!!! just got back from the doctor and Cinnamon’s sins have been found out… it seems she has had a run-in with a splinter/thorn… and the huge knot was just infection which the doctor used a HUGE hypodermic needle and withdrew 2 1/2 tubes of fluid….

Chuffed to bits for you that it was nothing serious – I`m sure they do these things to keep us on our toes <g Patch

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Depression: A Stepping Stone to Learning

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Robert,      I have said to a few people the problem with people with "borderline mental" problems is they are not taken seriously until about 1/2 way down to the river!  Somebody like me that struggles to keep clear headed is borderline to get help,  kind of like a person that should be on welfare but is just a hair above minimum qualifying standards.  It is kind of interesting that at midspan on the Mid-Hudson Bridge in Poughkeepsie, NY there is a hot line phone number and phone call box on a steel collumn, offering help.  If a person has walked out to midspan I don’t think the sight of a phone is going to stop him.   I noticed it driving accross once,  not because I was thinking about it, well at least not that day.  I have never gotten past the contemplating stage actually and because of my wife, never will.         I have a job at work and also hobbies that demand a clear head to think thru projects with little information to work with and have to use deduction and logic to think things thru.  If I am foggy or stale I can’t function.  Running and even a 2 mile brisk walk helps much.  Take care. Kurt {:{)

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    I have already apologised personally to Ozzie.  I did read him wrong.  I got to admit I am a bit gun shy with shrink types. Your letter is as good a place as any to let this board know I was wrong about Ozzie. I think I will learn much from this guy.  Keeping an open mind is easy to say, not so easy to practice!  

  Agreed.  Also hard is to say in public that you made a mistake. Yet you managed that with grace.     Best hopes for you in dealing with your circumstances.   — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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Robert,      I have already apologised personally to Ozzie.  I did read him wrong.  I got to admit I am a bit gun shy with shrink types. Your letter is as good a place as any to let this board know I was wrong about Ozzie. I think I will learn much from this guy.  Keeping an open mind is easy to say, not so easy to practice!   Kurt {:{)

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Ozzie,      A few years ago something happened in  my life and something got out of whack.  I did not crawl out of bed for a week, I was a "little" down.  Thanks to my lovely wife she got me to a $150 an hour shrink, he wrote me a script for some medicine, and I got back on track, but I still struggle sometimes.  It is important to keep active, don’t sit around and dwell.   I honestly believe it is a chemical imbalance, but I can’t get anybody to verify it.  Running really helps clear the cobwebs, so I can see and think clearly.  Don’t make light of depression or "mental illness"  unless you have been there, not just read a few books, wrote a few papers.  Maybe I am reading you wrong and if so I apologise.

  Oz has been here a long time, and I think I’m safe in saying that he doesn’t take depression lightly.   For your own situation, a couple of thoughts.  One is: Does it really matter to you if it is a chemical imbalance that can be largely moderated by exercise, or something else that can be largely moderated by exercise?  Either way, it seems that exercise is a good thing for you mentally so it worth doing regardless of the biochemistry that may or may not be involved.  Another is, there was a clinical study (or two) reported recently in which it was found that exercise was as effective as drugs in treating depression, and had better results in the longer term.  Better yet, as you already know, the exercise is good for more than just the depression.   One of Ozzie’s themes in his posts is one shared with cognitive therapy (which may well be where he gets it from, see, for example, _The Feeling Good Handbook_ by David Burns.  I dislike the title, but the contents are good.) — how you feel depends significantly on how you view things.  Your situation is different from mine, but I do have a rest of life situation that is very trying for me.  That’s one reason I don’t like that title.  ’tools for coping’ would be closer.  I can’t say it helps me feel good, as such, but it definitely helps cope.  Thursday-Friday were not good days, by the way.   Back to the newsgroup: Many of the same tools work fine for running and racing.  That’s part of what I was doing mentally at HAT.   — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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I too have suffered depression that has required medication and would like to reiterate that depression of this kind is not the "blues" but truly is something that is out of the hands of the beholder and is at this stage a neurobiological problem and not a "mental" problem. All the talk therapy in the world cannot help certain kinds of depression because it’s etiology is biochemical. P.

Ditto for me. Chemicals helped me in the past but hindered me too in some ways. These last four months running the roads have been a revelation in so many ways for me, not least in how I feel in spirit. I’m not going to go overboard on this yet but I’ve read some reports that exercise can have physiological benefits for depressives and so far, I feel I’m reaping some of them. Charlie

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Ozzie,       A few years ago something happened in  my life and something got out of whack.  I did not crawl out of bed for a week, I was a "little" down.  Thanks to my lovely wife she got me to a $150 an hour shrink, he wrote me a script for some medicine, and I got back on track, but I still struggle sometimes.  It is important to keep active, don’t sit around and dwell.   I honestly believe it is a chemical imbalance, but I can’t get anybody to verify it.  Running really helps clear the cobwebs, so I can see and think clearly.  Don’t make light of depression or "mental illness"  unless you have been there, not just read a few books, wrote a few papers.  Maybe I am reading you wrong and if so I apologise. Kurt {:{)

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I too have suffered depression that has required medication and would like to reiterate that depression of this kind is not the "blues" but truly is something that is out of the hands of the beholder and is at this stage a neurobiological problem and not a "mental" problem. All the talk therapy in the world cannot help certain kinds of depression because it’s etiology is biochemical. P.

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Hi, One of my dearest and best friends has a thyroid imbalance and needs medication.  If me or any of my other friends get the blues for whatever reason  I realize that this friend not only has to fight the regular ‘ol blues but, also the magnification that her imbalance causes.  That has to be one heckofa battle!! Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I too have suffered depression that has required medication and would like to reiterate that depression of this kind is not the "blues" but truly is something that is out of the hands of the beholder and is at this stage a neurobiological problem and not a "mental" problem. All the talk therapy in the world cannot help certain kinds of depression because it’s etiology is biochemical. P.

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PPD and dizziness–help!!

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She never said he isn’t on table food. Many women nurse well into the second year and beyond. In the first year, most of a child’s nutrition should come from breast milk/formula. Tara P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think that I can help you with your problem, but I have a question for you.  Why are you starting your son on baby food so late (11 months old)?  My son is 10 1/2 and on all table food (our ped. said it is ok).  He loves it, every thing from pizza to mashed potatos and meatloaf. Jennifer

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I know it seems late to start on table food, but he doesn’t like it and he is thriving so we decided to just keep nursing him longer.  The other two started earlier on table food or baby food.  He is a really fussy baby and just hates the whole high chair thing–nursing him is easier and he is so healthy we didn’t see any reason not to.  kendra I don’t think that I can help you with your problem, but I have a question for you.  Why are you starting your son on baby food so late (11 months old)?  My son is 10 1/2 and on all table food (our ped. said it is ok).  He loves it, every thing from pizza to mashed potatos and meatloaf. Jennifer * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

– Kendra mom to Cody, 6; Josie, 2; and Patrick, less than a year "Theatre is life; Film is art; Television is Furniture"

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PPD is post partum depression and I think I whine about it all the time! :-)  I have been pregnant or nursing for 3 1/2 years now and I feel like I haven’t had a normal hormone day in that entire time.  kendra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pardon my ignorance, Kendra, but what is PPD? I don’t recall you ever posting about it before. I guess I missed it. Charlene I know you guys are getting sick of hearing me talk about this PPD–but there are some new and scarry things going on that I was hoping you could help me with.  They may not even be connected, but I feel that they are.  I have a doctor’s appointment Friday morning to discuss these things (I know, you are thinking FINALLY) and she mentioned Buspahr on the phone.  First of all, any info on Buspahr and nursing?  Patrick is 11 months old and I was thinking of cutting back on nursing in a little over a month when the school year starts.  BUT I really don’t want to take anything that would hurt him, no matter how crazy I am.  BTW–right now I am feeling really, really "off" and crazy and sick, so ignore me if I rant. Anyway, the new stuff–for the past 3 months or so I have been getting diarrhea attacks with no other symptoms like fever or cold or anything. Happens semi-regularly.   Not pleasant at all.  Missed some school–several days, in fact–because of this.  I think that may be stress related or something. The past month or so I have been getting extremely dizzy–all hours of day and night–has woken me up several times–and it has happened every 10-15 minutes or so today for the past hour and a half or so.  Very delibilitating.  I have about 8 minutes here at the computer before it happens again.  This is extremely frightening to me. Does anyone have any thoughts.  The lactation nurse seemed to think I was hyperventilating without knowing it or something.  Said her daughter did the same thing. I still haven’t re-started my period, btw, and Patrick nurses extremely regulary or I pump.  He eats NO baby food and really doesn’t have the solid thing down, even though we are trying. If anyone has any words of wisdom or help, please e-mail me, as I check that more regularly than the use-net group.  Thank you so much–you guys are always so helpful. — Kendra mom to Cody, 6; Josie, 2; and Patrick, less than a year "Theatre is life; Film is art; Television is Furniture"

– Kendra mom to Cody, 6; Josie, 2; and Patrick, less than a year "Theatre is life; Film is art; Television is Furniture"

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Kendra, This is my first peek at this group so I hope you don’t mind if I jump right in here. By any chance have you had your thyroid checked??? I experienced both PPD and have a thyroid condition.  Symptoms can overlap and thyroid imbalance can worsen PPD. An overactive thyroid can cause diarrhea. I experience dizziness when my thyroid is imbalanced. It might be worth checking into! Beth mom to Rachel,Grace,Will and Leah

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Boy, have you got your hands full.  There is nothing worse than knowing something is up with your own health and trying to hold it all together.  I did not suffer from PPD with either of my children, the last being born in November of last year. However, a lot of the symptoms you are describing were similar to what I experienced after my son was born almost 5 years ago. I went in and had a full bloodwork done and found I had hypothyroid disease.  I was dizzy all the time, fell really off, physically exhausted and just awful.  I still have occassional bouts where my meds have to be adjusted, but life is a lot more worth living.  Please visit your gp and, if you don’t like what he/she has to say, see someone else.  I am concerned for you. In the meantime, I send you a big hug and hope things soon get better.  BTW, don’t be afraid to ask for help from close friends who may be able to spell you for a bit.  Sometimes, we take on so much by ourselves we forget to ask those around us to help out when we really need it.  If you don’t, later on you’ll find they may have been more than willing to help, had you only asked.  Good luck!! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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DUH…Of course. Last night I sat here and tried to figure it out…"PPD?" until I finally gave up. It’s so obvious now though. Thanks. Good luck with your battle. This is something, thank God, that I have never had to experience yet and hope not to with this baby. Someone with a history of depression such as myself usually has to worry a lot more than others about developing PPD. I’ll have to keep my fingers crossed this time! — ….Charlene (ICQ# 2906164) SD Kaitlin, 11 BD Danielle, 7 BS James, 1.5 ??? Due in Nov/00-TBA

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PPD is post partum depression and I think I whine about it all the time! :-)  I have been pregnant or nursing for 3 1/2 years now and I feel like I haven’t had a normal hormone day in that entire time.  kendra Pardon my ignorance, Kendra, but what is PPD? I don’t recall you ever posting about it before. I guess I missed it. Charlene I know you guys are getting sick of hearing me talk about this PPD–but there are some new and scarry things going on that I was hoping you could help me with.  They may not even be connected, but I feel that they are.  I have a doctor’s appointment Friday morning to discuss these things (I know, you are thinking FINALLY) and she mentioned Buspahr on the phone.  First of all, any info on Buspahr and nursing?  Patrick is 11 months old and I was thinking of cutting back on nursing in a little over a month when the school year starts.  BUT I really don’t want to take anything that would hurt him, no matter how crazy I am. BTW–right now I am feeling really, really "off" and crazy and sick, so ignore me if I rant. Anyway, the new stuff–for the past 3 months or so I have been getting diarrhea attacks with no other symptoms like fever or cold or anything. Happens semi-regularly.   Not pleasant at all.  Missed some school–several days, in fact–because of this.  I think that may be stress related or something. The past month or so I have been getting extremely dizzy–all hours of day and night–has woken me up several times–and it has happened every 10-15 minutes or so today for the past hour and a half or so.  Very delibilitating.  I have about 8 minutes here at the computer before it happens again.  This is extremely frightening to me. Does anyone have any thoughts.  The lactation nurse seemed to think I was hyperventilating without knowing it or something.  Said her daughter did the same thing. I still haven’t re-started my period, btw, and Patrick nurses extremely regulary or I pump.  He eats NO baby food and really doesn’t have the solid thing down, even though we are trying. If anyone has any words of wisdom or help, please e-mail me, as I check that more regularly than the use-net group.  Thank you so much–you guys are always so helpful. — Kendra mom to Cody, 6; Josie, 2; and Patrick, less than a year "Theatre is life; Film is art; Television is Furniture" — Kendra mom to Cody, 6; Josie, 2; and Patrick, less than a year "Theatre is life; Film is art; Television is Furniture"

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Pardon my ignorance, Kendra, but what is PPD? I don’t recall you ever posting about it before. I guess I missed it. Charlene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know you guys are getting sick of hearing me talk about this PPD–but there are some new and scarry things going on that I was hoping you could help me with.  They may not even be connected, but I feel that they are.  I have a doctor’s appointment Friday morning to discuss these things (I know, you are thinking FINALLY) and she mentioned Buspahr on the phone.  First of all, any info on Buspahr and nursing?  Patrick is 11 months old and I was thinking of cutting back on nursing in a little over a month when the school year starts.  BUT I really don’t want to take anything that would hurt him, no matter how crazy I am.  BTW–right now I am feeling really, really "off" and crazy and sick, so ignore me if I rant. Anyway, the new stuff–for the past 3 months or so I have been getting diarrhea attacks with no other symptoms like fever or cold or anything. Happens semi-regularly.   Not pleasant at all.  Missed some school–several days, in fact–because of this.  I think that may be stress related or something. The past month or so I have been getting extremely dizzy–all hours of day and night–has woken me up several times–and it has happened every 10-15 minutes or so today for the past hour and a half or so.  Very delibilitating.  I have about 8 minutes here at the computer before it happens again.  This is extremely frightening to me. Does anyone have any thoughts.  The lactation nurse seemed to think I was hyperventilating without knowing it or something.  Said her daughter did the same thing. I still haven’t re-started my period, btw, and Patrick nurses extremely regulary or I pump.  He eats NO baby food and really doesn’t have the solid thing down, even though we are trying. If anyone has any words of wisdom or help, please e-mail me, as I check that more regularly than the use-net group.  Thank you so much–you guys are always so helpful. — Kendra mom to Cody, 6; Josie, 2; and Patrick, less than a year "Theatre is life; Film is art; Television is Furniture"

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I don’t think that I can help you with your problem, but I have a question for you.  Why are you starting your son on baby food so late (11 months old)?  My son is 10 1/2 and on all table food (our ped. said it is ok).  He loves it, every thing from pizza to mashed potatos and meatloaf. Jennifer * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I had PPD after both of my children. Did not seek treatment first time, did second time. I worked through it unmedicated, but do what you feel is needed for you. Check into any medication before you start it, though. DO a web search, and you’ll find tons of info. The diarrhea could certainly be stressed related, the dizziness could be from stress or hormones or something else. Talk to your doctor. The only other advice I can give you is don’t quit nursing cold turkey! Ease off slowly. PPD is most likely caused by hormone fluctuations, and quitting nursing would cause a drastic change in your hormone production. Ease of slowly. Eliminate as much stress as possible for now, and know that you will feel like yourself again eventually! Another thought… you could look into dietary changes. I quit eating meat, chocolate and cheese recently, and since have gone from severe PMS to none. Tara P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know you guys are getting sick of hearing me talk about this PPD–but there are some new and scarry things going on that I was hoping you could help me with.  They may not even be connected, but I feel that they are.  I have a doctor’s appointment Friday morning to discuss these things (I know, you are thinking FINALLY) and she mentioned Buspahr on the phone.  First of all, any info on Buspahr and nursing?  Patrick is 11 months old and I was thinking of cutting back on nursing in a little over a month when the school year starts.  BUT I really don’t want to take anything that would hurt him, no matter how crazy I am.  BTW–right now I am feeling really, really "off" and crazy and sick, so ignore me if I rant. Anyway, the new stuff–for the past 3 months or so I have been getting diarrhea attacks with no other symptoms like fever or cold or anything. Happens semi-regularly.   Not pleasant at all.  Missed some school–several days, in fact–because of this.  I think that may be stress related or something. The past month or so I have been getting extremely dizzy–all hours of day and night–has woken me up several times–and it has happened every 10-15 minutes or so today for the past hour and a half or so.  Very delibilitating.  I have about 8 minutes here at the computer before it happens again.  This is extremely frightening to me. Does anyone have any thoughts.  The lactation nurse seemed to think I was hyperventilating without knowing it or something.  Said her daughter did the same thing. I still haven’t re-started my period, btw, and Patrick nurses extremely regulary or I pump.  He eats NO baby food and really doesn’t have the solid thing down, even though we are trying. If anyone has any words of wisdom or help, please e-mail me, as I check that more regularly than the use-net group.  Thank you so much–you guys are always so helpful. — Kendra mom to Cody, 6; Josie, 2; and Patrick, less than a year "Theatre is life; Film is art; Television is Furniture"

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I know you guys are getting sick of hearing me talk about this PPD–but there are some new and scarry things going on that I was hoping you could help me with.  They may not even be connected, but I feel that they are.  I have a doctor’s appointment Friday morning to discuss these things (I know, you are thinking FINALLY) and she mentioned Buspahr on the phone.  First of all, any info on Buspahr and nursing?  Patrick is 11 months old and I was thinking of cutting back on nursing in a little over a month when the school year starts.  BUT I really don’t want to take anything that would hurt him, no matter how crazy I am.  BTW–right now I am feeling really, really "off" and crazy and sick, so ignore me if I rant. Anyway, the new stuff–for the past 3 months or so I have been getting diarrhea attacks with no other symptoms like fever or cold or anything. Happens semi-regularly.   Not pleasant at all.  Missed some school–several days, in fact–because of this.  I think that may be stress related or something. The past month or so I have been getting extremely dizzy–all hours of day and night–has woken me up several times–and it has happened every 10-15 minutes or so today for the past hour and a half or so.  Very delibilitating.  I have about 8 minutes here at the computer before it happens again.  This is extremely frightening to me. Does anyone have any thoughts.  The lactation nurse seemed to think I was hyperventilating without knowing it or something.  Said her daughter did the same thing. I still haven’t re-started my period, btw, and Patrick nurses extremely regulary or I pump.  He eats NO baby food and really doesn’t have the solid thing down, even though we are trying. If anyone has any words of wisdom or help, please e-mail me, as I check that more regularly than the use-net group.  Thank you so much–you guys are always so helpful. — Kendra mom to Cody, 6; Josie, 2; and Patrick, less than a year "Theatre is life; Film is art; Television is Furniture"

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