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Pardon my absolute medical ignorance, but… isn’t the thyroid located near the trachea?  Could an enlarged thyroid (not sure if that’s characteristic of hypo/hyperthyroidism) restrict the airflow? Just a thought…  I don’t really think I have thyroid problems, I’m pretty sure mine are plain old sleep apnea… — Tom Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Yes the thyroid can swell to the point that it puts pressure on the trachea.   I thought that would be an obvious problem even thought the doctors I’ve spoken to so far see the possibility, but none have "seen it happen".  The part that no one seems to be aware of or be able to explain is that my upper airway and soft palate is "tighter" since starting medication.  I don’t know how else to describe it, but my whole upper airway is less flabby than it was before I started taking levoxyl.  The third tie in is that you tend to have rapid weight gain when you have an under active thyroid.  I’m 5-10 and went from about 160 to 180 in the last couple of years.  That’s still not considered heavy, but it’s another symptom that had been attributed to my apnea.  After going on CPAP I continued to gain weight, it was only after I started to treat the thyroid that I began to loose it.   I realize that most people with apnea don’t have problems with their thyroid but I found research our of Canada indicating that 1 in 10 do (I don’t have the URL handy or I’d post it)  . . .seems like a high enough percentage that more people ought to be aware of it – especially doctors. Regards, Stuart – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -a_to…@my-deja.com wrote:

Pardon my absolute medical ignorance, but… isn’t the thyroid located near the trachea?  Could an enlarged thyroid (not sure if that’s characteristic of hypo/hyperthyroidism) restrict the airflow? Just a thought…  I don’t really think I have thyroid problems, I’m pretty sure mine are plain old sleep apnea… — Tom Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Hi Lee!  I live in Grafton ON and have just been informed that I have severe sleep apnea.  I find the CPAP mask so claustrophobic that I cannot sleep with it on.  I almost panic.  I also have an aversion to the idea that I am tied to a machine to maintain my health.  You are the first person that I have come across who believes that the weight is due to SA.  My current plan is to lose 40 lb. and work hard for greater cardio vascular fitness. If you come across any other treatment options than CPAP I would appreciate a heads up.  By the same token, If I find the approach I am taking makes a difference I will let you know. All the best. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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It almost doesn’t matter which came first (the weight or the apnea).  Also, not every single person who loses the weight loses the apnea.  However, many do have reduced symptoms and some lose the requirement for the machine altogether. Gary "Hoagie" <mhoganNOmhS…@eagle.ca.invalid

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Hi Lee!  I live in Grafton ON and have just been informed that I have severe sleep apnea.  I find the CPAP mask so claustrophobic that I cannot sleep with it on.  I almost panic.  I also have an aversion to the idea that I am tied to a machine to maintain my health.  You are the first person that I have come across who believes that the weight is due to SA.  My current plan is to lose 40 lb. and work hard for greater cardio vascular fitness. If you come across any other treatment options than CPAP I would appreciate a heads up.  By the same token, If I find the approach I am taking makes a difference I will let you know. All the best. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network

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Hi Lee!  I live in Grafton ON and have just been informed that I have severe sleep apnea.  I find the CPAP mask so claustrophobic that I cannot sleep with it on.  I almost panic.  I also have an aversion to the idea that I am tied to a machine to maintain my health.  You are the first person that I have come across who believes that the weight is due to SA.  My current plan is to lose 40 lb. and work hard for greater cardio vascular fitness. If you come across any other treatment options than CPAP I would appreciate a heads up.  By the same token, If I find the approach I am taking makes a difference I will let you know. All the best.

I hope you haven’t misinterpereted my  comments.  MY weight gain was DUE to the apnea.  The apnea was there BEFORE the weight gain and will be there AFTER the weight loss! I think that you need a better doctor, especially a specialist in Sleep Disorders.  I use Dr Gawel (pronounced gavel) a neurologist who heads the adult MD clinic at Sunnybrook hospital.   He is a sleep specialist and has a private practice on Ellemere Rd in Scarborough next to Centennary Hospital.  Maybe it would be worth a trip to Toronto! I think you are looking for a quick fix and there just isn’t one at this time.  I got used to CPAP, and so can you, but it will take some doing.  Mind you, I’m a pig headed loyalist stock type from Napanee, so when I make up my mind to do something, I do it.  You’re on the edge of loyalist country  — can’t you ‘catch’ a little of this attitude? <g

Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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<mhoganNOmhS…@eagle.ca.invalid

wrote: Hi Lee!  I live in Grafton ON and have just been informed that I have severe sleep apnea.  I find the CPAP mask so claustrophobic that I cannot sleep with it on.  I almost panic.  I also have an aversion to the idea that I am tied to a machine to maintain my health.  You are the first person that I have come across who believes that the weight is due to SA.  My current plan is to lose 40 lb. and work hard for greater cardio vascular fitness. If you come across any other treatment options than CPAP I would appreciate a heads up.  By the same token, If I find the approach I am taking makes a difference I will let you know. All the best. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s

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Hi, Sorry you are having problems with claustrophobia with the CPAP mask.  I also had problems for about the first year and was not getting better, only worse, because I would wake up 2 dozen times a night with the mask thrown.  I really felt like i was going to die. He had no answers for me and said that I just had to get used to it however I could. y mere chance at about the end of that first horrible year with the CPAP, my sleep disorders physician dropped off my HMO and I was forced to make a change to a new SD physician.  My new physician realized immediately that I was having an anxiety problem with the mask.  She prescribed Xanax 1 mg at bedtime, decreasing the dose to .5 mg after 3 months, and then discontinuing at the end of six months.  She gave me a .25 mg refill to be used only as needed, which wasn’t very often.  It took about 8 months for me to beat my claustrophobia and relax with the mask on.  My sleep because so good. I just could not believe it.  A simple medication addition made all the difference in the world.  Now I need nothing to sleep and look forward to putting on the mask because I sleep so well. This is just a suggestion. I know not everyone likes to take medicationto help them relax and/or sleep, but it was a very good solution in my case. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Are there really any surgeries that work with sleep apnea. ladymoon Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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It depends.  Most of the nasal surgeries help people tolerate xPAP better by providing a clearer airway, but they are not a cure for sleep apnea.  UPPP or LAUP may help for a short time (6 to 12 months), but most people need xPAP after that amount of time.  There are people with very mild sleep apnea that are helped long term by surgery.  However, if the site of obstruction is elsewhere such as at the base of the tongue they are of no help.  The one surgery that seems to be a definite cure is a tracheotomy.  My feeling is that if xPAP works and you can tolerate xPAP it’s worth waiting to for medical science to progress and possibly come up with a new solution. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ladymoondr…@my-deja.com wrote:

Are there really any surgeries that work with sleep apnea. ladymoon Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:47:54 GMT, in alt.support.sleep-disorder ladymoondr…@my-deja.com wrote:

Are there really any surgeries that work with sleep apnea.

Tracheostomy has a near 100% success record.   And it is 100% reversible. — Tony Polson, North Yorkshire, UK

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On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:47:54 GMT, ladymoondr…@my-deja.com wrote:

Are there really any surgeries that work with sleep apnea.

It is pretty much Russian roulette as to whether anything works. Sometimes, fixing up the nose will resolve the problem if it’s in that area. — Your mouse has moved. Windows must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? [OK]

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There are other surgeries that you may consider. There are ways to advance the tounge by jaw advancement or cutting out a  little rectangle  below the lower jaw teeth and pull the tounge foward a little. I believe that the jaw advancement is probably the best surgery of all but it’s not to be taken lightly. It’s quite a complex surgery.                    Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:47:54 GMT, ladymoondr…@my-deja.com wrote:

Are there really any surgeries that work with sleep apnea. ladymoon Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Hi everyboody, I was after a sleep study diagnosed with mild sleep apnea and apart from a kind of denture I’m to use I was asked to lower my weight from 94 to 81 kg (BMI 29 to 24) I’m curious to know if my fairly recent weight gain was fully or partly due to sleep apnea or sleep apnea is a result of gaining weight? (it build up parallel over the same period of 6 month) Do other members of this forum also experience; – lack of ‘control’ with hands during the day i.e. handwriting become somewhat troublesome – pain in legs when climbing stairs – having this funny feeling of being ‘disengaged’ i.e. lower concentration, academic performance (slow in understanding) Some words of ‘confirmation’ will be appreciated as it will be nice to know that it (potential) can vanish if I can get my weight down. (a tough one!) Regards pha…@magix.com.sg

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Hi everyboody, I was after a sleep study diagnosed with mild sleep apnea and apart from a kind of denture I’m to use I was asked to lower my weight from 94 to 81 kg (BMI 29 to 24) I’m curious to know if my fairly recent weight gain was fully or partly

due

to sleep apnea or sleep apnea is a result of gaining weight? (it build up parallel over the same period of 6 month)

I can’t speak for anyone else, but my weight gain, which has not been enormous, has largely occurred after I noticed apnea symptoms.  I don’t think anyone knows the answer to this question at the moment.  It will take some studying.

Do other members of this forum also experience; – lack of ‘control’ with hands during the day i.e. handwriting become somewhat troublesome

I have become extremely clumsy with my hands.  I had to fix my TV remote the other day because I’d dropped it one too many times.

– pain in legs when climbing stairs

Not especially.

– having this funny feeling of being ‘disengaged’ i.e. lower

concentration,

academic performance (slow in understanding)

Yes.

Some words of ‘confirmation’ will be appreciated as it will be nice to

know

that it (potential) can vanish if I can get my weight down. (a tough one!)

That may happen if it is your weight gain that has caused your apnea.  I hope it is. Now, I have a question.  I often wake up with a lot of pain in the area of my diaphragm (not that one – the one you breathe with).  I have never read anything about that in the many articles & web sites that I’ve read/visited about OSA.  Has anyone else had this?  I think I can guess why it is so sore.  It can bother me all day long.

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thyroid checked and went on lovoxyl.  You need to know that while a

TSH

reading of 5.5 or less is considered normal by most doctors, you

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be treated if you have a reading over 2 as long as there are

associated

symptoms.  I’m still slowly working my way up on the lovoxyl dosage,

<SNIP

Do you want it to be high or low?  I remember that my TSH was 2.7, and the lab said this was "normal".  I know I have sleep apnea, hypothyroidism I’m not sure of… — Tom Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Tom, You want it to be low. Mine was 6.2 and my Doctor said that treatment was optional, but it was the best thing I’ve ever done.  From my research most doctors will tell you that any reading lower than 5.5 is ‘normal’.  There’s a growing number of doctors that believe the reading should be between .4 and 2 and that if you have any symptoms and the TSH is greater than two then you may have sub-clinical hypothyroidism and you might benefit from treatment.  There are few doctors that will be willing to put you on medication with a reading of 2.7 unless you have the other symptoms of hypothyroid (and you wouldn’t want to be on medication unless you have symptoms).   So many of my apnea symptoms (and the apnea itself) have been reduced or eliminated since starting levoxyl that I’m trying to get the word out to people here that they should do enough research to see if they should look at their thyroid.  My ENT didn’t suggest that I have my thyroid checked and my thyroid doctor has never heard of a link with apnea, but I’ve found two people who were able to go completely off CPAP without surgery after going on thyroid medication.  That’s a pretty low percentage but it still greater than zero. There’s a lot of information alt.support.thyroid if you want to know more. Regards, Stuart – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -a_to…@my-deja.com wrote:

In article <38F2B270.120FD…@home.com,   Stuart Harris <stuarthar…@home.com wrote: <SNIP thyroid checked and went on lovoxyl.  You need to know that while a TSH reading of 5.5 or less is considered normal by most doctors, you should be treated if you have a reading over 2 as long as there are associated symptoms.  I’m still slowly working my way up on the lovoxyl dosage, <SNIP Do you want it to be high or low?  I remember that my TSH was 2.7, and the lab said this was "normal".  I know I have sleep apnea, hypothyroidism I’m not sure of… — Tom Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Stan wrote:

I’ve been told by every doctor I’ve ever seen about my sleep problems that apnea can be caused/aggrivated by excessive weight.  I can’t imagine the apnea causing weight gain.  I would certainly give weight loss a try.

Sleep Apnea CAN cause weight due to the disruption of the metabolic rate.  I put on 90 pounds over a ten year period with no apparent cause.  After diagosis of SA last year, it was apparent in retrospect, that I had been suffering worsening complications of SA.  Now, after a few months of CPAP, 30 pounds have just slipped away, with nothing done on my part other than treating the SA. Regards, Lee — Lee Babcock Scarborough (Toronto), Ontario, Canada Email —- babco…@idirect.ca

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Poul, Many people cite weight gain as a result of apnea, but mine turned out to be from hypothyroid . . . the trembling in the hands is also a thyroid symptom, and the lower concentration is a clasic symptom of both apnea and thyroid problems.  On the thyroid support group they refer to it as brain fog . . . As a results of posts on this board I had my thyroid checked and went on lovoxyl.  You need to know that while a TSH reading of 5.5 or less is considered normal by most doctors, you should be treated if you have a reading over 2 as long as there are associated symptoms.  I’m still slowly working my way up on the lovoxyl dosage, but each time I increase the dose my apnea goes away for a few days . . . YMMV Regards, Stuart – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Poul Lorentzen wrote:

Hi everyboody, I was after a sleep study diagnosed with mild sleep apnea and apart from a kind of denture I’m to use I was asked to lower my weight from 94 to 81 kg (BMI 29 to 24) I’m curious to know if my fairly recent weight gain was fully or partly due to sleep apnea or sleep apnea is a result of gaining weight? (it build up parallel over the same period of 6 month) Do other members of this forum also experience; – lack of ‘control’ with hands during the day i.e. handwriting become somewhat troublesome – pain in legs when climbing stairs – having this funny feeling of being ‘disengaged’ i.e. lower concentration, academic performance (slow in understanding) Some words of ‘confirmation’ will be appreciated as it will be nice to know that it (potential) can vanish if I can get my weight down. (a tough one!) Regards pha…@magix.com.sg

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Stan wrote:

<<snipped I’ve been told by every doctor I’ve ever seen about my sleep problems that apnea can be caused/aggrivated by excessive weight.  I can’t imagine the apnea causing weight gain.  I would certainly give weight loss a try.

Actually, one of the symptoms of OSA is weight gain with no change in diet.  The weight gain is because the OSA causes you to be tired all the time and you become much less active.  therefore you don’t burn as many calories and you gain weight while eating the same food. Big Al db-guru at bigfoot dot com

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Well,gee… Imagine you have apnea. Imagine you feel like s**t. What are the chance you will take a long walk/jog/swim/bike ride after work. What are the chances you might have a sugary snack in the PM at work in a futile hope to boost your energy level enough to survive the PM. Now imagine that instea you feel pretty good after work. You walk/jog for perhaps 30 mins. Perhaps 200-300 calories worth. Perhaps 6000-9000 calories per month. Perhaps 2-4 pounds not gained. Oh.  Don’t forget about 20 days per month of sugar snacks a month. Perhaps another pound or two. So relative to not having apnea, you have an *easy* opportunity to add maybe 3-6 pounds a month. Do this for a few years, and you get large. Which makes apnea worse. Repeat until dead. regards, eric pearson db2e…@nospammindspring.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:17:04 GMT, 29…@mailX.com (Stan) wrote:

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:31:45 +0800, "Poul Lorentzen" <pha…@magix.com.sg wrote: I’ve been told by every doctor I’ve ever seen about my sleep problems that apnea can be caused/aggrivated by excessive weight.  I can’t imagine the apnea causing weight gain.  I would certainly give weight loss a try.

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Poul Lorentzen wrote:

I’m curious to know if my fairly recent weight gain was fully or partly due to sleep apnea or sleep apnea is a result of gaining weight? (it build up parallel over the same period of 6 month)

It’s possible. Some people experience a weight when their apnea gets worse. The connection between weigh gain and/or the ability to lose weight while having untreated apneas is unknown at this point, No one has done a specific research study on it, all we have are anecdotal reports.

Do other members of this forum also experience; – lack of ‘control’ with hands during the day i.e. handwriting become somewhat troublesome – pain in legs when climbing stairs – having this funny feeling of being ‘disengaged’ i.e. lower concentration, academic performance (slow in understanding)

Lower concentration is a definite symptom  with apnea, will it improve if you lose weight and are treated for apnea, maybe, a lot depends on how long you have had the problem, the longer you have had the problem the more likely the damage can become permanent due to oxygen starvation in brain tissue. I don’t rule out the other problems as being cause by apnea because we all react to it in our own way. I will point out that there are a lot of  problems that get masked behind the symptoms of apnea. The problem with your hands and legs could be apnea or could be the beginning of arthritis or Parkinson’s, or could be due to the oxygen starvation caused by the apnea.

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Hi, Just my .02 worth here… when I had the same problem, my doc told me it was peripheral nervous system involvement.

Thanx for your reply. Was it caused by the Lupus? Hugs, Kris Address is SPAM blocked.  ****Remove map.son from address.****

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Yes, it was lupus related.  Fortunatly, it was nothing more than a strange sensation.  There was really only one time that it was truly painful.  Hope this helps. Hugs, Debra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Hi, Just my .02 worth here… when I had the same problem, my doc told me it was peripheral nervous system involvement. Thanx for your reply. Was it caused by the Lupus? Hugs, Kris

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I have been experiencing symptomsw where my spots on my body will start to go cold and then go warm without warning.

Hi, Just my .02 worth here… when I had the same problem, my doc told me it was peripheral nervous system involvement.  I would have strange tinglings… sometimes it felt like I had stepped or sat in warm water and then the sensation would just fade.  It was really very wierd.  Don’t be afraid to call your doc about this.  That’s what they’re paid for Hugs, Debra

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Hi Guys, For the last number of months I have been experiencing symptomsw where my spots on my body will start to go cold and then go warm without warning. Another thing which happens is that a spot in almost any given area will suddenly become *very* warm and then fade to cool. I’m pretty sure this isn’t a fibromyalgia, or thyroid symptom, but I don’t know what else it could be. Does anyone have a clue? Thanx, Hugs, Kris Address is SPAM blocked.  ****Remove map.son from address.****

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I am wondering if the aches and pains I am experiencing are a symptom of menopause. I have seen this referred to occasionally, but not much. Any threories as to what causes this? robyn

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To the extent that menopause represents the achievement of a certain degree of physical maturity, your aches and pains may be related.  Look to your mate.  If a male, is he starting to creak in the joints a little too? Are you speaking of pain related to musculoskeletal system or to your abdominal region – female organs?  Could you be a bit more specific? Glad you posted your question.  Whichever kind of aches and pains you report, you are not alone. fiona Devilbabie <devilba…@aol.com

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I am wondering if the aches and pains I am experiencing are a symptom of menopause. I have seen this referred to occasionally, but not much. Any threories as to what causes this? robyn

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I have no medical knowledge/background, but I’ve read that muscles have estogen receptors, and when denied their usual amount of estrogen, they "complain".  BTW, aches & pains of muscles & joints is also a thyroid symptom. One of many. And, BTW, I’ve had aches & pains since my late 30’s, and my sister who’s now 41, has started to complain of the exact same aches. Legs – after sitting for a while, and back of neck & shoulders. Cathy Devilbabie wrote in message

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I am wondering if the aches and pains I am experiencing are a symptom of menopause. I have seen this referred to occasionally, but not much. Any threories as to what causes this? robyn

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Cathy wrote:

I have no medical knowledge/background, but I’ve read that

muscles have estogen receptors, and when denied their usual amount of estrogen, they "complain".  BTW, aches & pains of muscles & joints is also a thyroid symptom. One of many. And, BTW, I’ve had aches & pains since my late 30’s, and my sister who’s now 41, has started to complain of the exact same aches. Legs – after sitting for a while, and back of neck & shoulders. Cathy Sounds possible Cathy as I have more pain in these area of my body since the hysterectomy; my arms,hands and shoulders and legs and in back bone and wrists.Wonder if I missed a part <g

?.This last week or more has been

particular bad.It has been raining so perhaps the weather is a factor too. Kit

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Well, where are your aches and pains?  If they’re in your legs, a banana may help.  If they’re in your feet, warm and supportive shoes and a dose of ibuprofen might help.  If they’re in your uterus they may be from a number of things…cramps, fibroids, ovulation, shrinking uterus.  If they’re in your back or neck it may be related to insomnia or trying too hard.  If they’re in your arms or hands, it could be your computer usage. Aches and pains are pretty common during parts of peri-menopause.  Care to elaborate on yours? Cool Runnings, HomemakerJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Devilbabie wrote:

I am wondering if the aches and pains I am experiencing are a symptom of menopause.

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, "Cathy Friedmann" <c…@borg.com wrote: I have no medical knowledge/background, but I’ve read that muscles have estogen receptors, and when denied their usual amount of estrogen, they "complain".

It is true that muscles have estrogen receptors.  This is why premenstrual women suffer less post exercise muscle soreness than men and it is a reason that a different type of exercise — namely lower weight and higher repetitions — may be more suitable for women (this is debatable).

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writes Well, where are your aches and pains?  If they’re in your legs, a banana may help.  

ROFLMAO..I’m sorry HJ but the image which floated before me was er..interesting.

If they’re in your feet, warm and supportive shoes and a dose of ibuprofen might help.  If they’re in your uterus they may be from a number of things…cramps, fibroids, ovulation, shrinking uterus.  If they’re in your back or neck it may be related to insomnia or trying too hard.  If they’re in your arms or hands, it could be your computer usage.

All very good suggestions.

Aches and pains are pretty common during parts of peri-menopause.  Care to elaborate on yours?

I’d really like to know with some certainty that they _are_ perimenopause and not the creaking doors of old age. Knowing that they will pass would help such a lot. Do we have any knowledge on this? Joanna

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I have no medical knowledge/background, but I’ve read that muscles have estogen receptors, and when denied their usual amount of estrogen, they "complain".

Robert wrote:

It is true that muscles have estrogen receptors.  This is why premenstrual women suffer less post exercise muscle soreness I wonder if  this is the case in post menopausal women as well ?I also wonder if women on estrogen suffer from muscle soreness ? I’m beginning to think this is a bout of tendentious in right hand,wrist and up to elbow.Is their a connection between tendentious and menopause,seems to me I read something ? Any suggestion would be great,I have tried the arm in the air and circulate the hand and it doesn’t seem to work.btw aspirin doesn’t work,Robaxacet seems to make a slight difference and the doctor gave me naproxen which I took a reaction to as usual. An other thought the doctor said several months ago that it may be fibromalaga does anyone with fibromalga have this muscle soreness? Thanks Kit

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   Back to the mind/body "naturopath" approaches to "aches and pains": difficulty with transitions, holding on to the past, lingering resentments, unfinished emotional work, lack of flexablity about transitions. j

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"Kit" <ma…@vianet.on.ca

wrote: Robert wrote: It is true that muscles have estrogen receptors.  This is why premenstrual women suffer less post exercise muscle soreness

Oops, is that what I wrote?  I meant premenopausal, of course. [re: tendonitis]

Any suggestion would be great,I have tried the arm in the air and circulate the hand and it doesn’t seem to work.btw aspirin doesn’t work,Robaxacet seems to make a slight difference and the doctor gave me naproxen which I took a reaction to as usual.

They should have glucosamine sulfate in your drugs stores there. You could try icing it.  Partly fill one of those rubber water bags with water and freeze it.  Wrap the limb in a single thickness of towel or other cloth and apply the water bottle for 15 minutes at a time.

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I have to agree with Joan on this one.  Any kind of stress (both conscious and unconscious) can cause a myriad of physical complaints!
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J Prescott <Joa…@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote: I’d really like to know with some certainty that they _are_ perimenopause and not the creaking doors of old age. Knowing that they will pass would help such a lot. Do we have any knowledge on this?

Yes, I can attest to the terrible aches and pains passing.  I used to have it constantly.  Now, I get it sometimes just before a period, but not nearly to the degree I did before.  I guess those were the days when I was constantly posting about the revelation that middle age did indeed come before old age. Cool Runnings, HomemakerJ

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I don’t know anything about fibromyalgia. I do know someone who is disabled from tendinitis, however–please be careful with this! Karen Oh my Karen I didn’t know it could get that bad.Do you know of anything that can be done to help before it becomes that serious? I was thinking off adding voice to my computer,would that be helpful ? Thanks Kit

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J Prescott <Joa…@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote: I’d really like to know with some certainty that they _are_ perimenopause and not the creaking doors of old age. Knowing that they will pass would help such a lot. Do we have any knowledge on this?

Yes, I can attest to the terrible aches and pains passing.  I used to have it constantly.  Now, I get it sometimes just before a period, but not nearly to the degree I did before.  I guess those were the days when I was constantly posting about the revelation that middle age did indeed come before old age. Cool Runnings, HomemakerJ Thanks all I’m finally pain free today woke up this morning like their was nothing wrong! No change in the weather and but a change in me.So it’s not the rain. Thanks Kit

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An other thought the doctor said several months ago that it may be fibromalaga does anyone with fibromalga have this muscle soreness? Thanks Kit

kit… i don’t know what your doctor told you about fibromyalgia, but it is pain in the myofacia which is the muscle covering (i think–fibrofog and menofog make one VERY foggy some days).  if you haven’t done so, check out devin starlanyl’s book _fibromyalgia and myofacial pain syndrome_.  there are also several good sites on the web. hugs, kitten / /  ’my life is [still] a soap opera.  isn’t yours?’ {=.=}   kitt…@uiuc.edu  barbara trumpinski-roberts   ~     smotu         http://members.tripod.com/~barbarakitten

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i don’t know what your doctor told you about fibromyalgia, but it is pain in the myofacia which is the muscle covering (i think–fibrofog and menofog make one VERY foggy some days).  if you haven’t done so, check out devin starlanyl’s book _fibromyalgia and myofacial pain syndrome_.  there are also several good sites on the web. hugs, kitten / /  ’my life is [still] a soap opera.  isn’t yours?’ {=.=}   kitt…@uiuc.edu  barbara trumpinski-roberts   ~     smotu         http://members.tripod.com/~barbarakitten Not sure that’s what I have but thanks for the info. Kit

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J Prescott <Joa…@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote: I’d really like to know with some certainty that they _are_ perimenopause and not the creaking doors of old age. Knowing that they will pass would help such a lot. Do we have any knowledge on this? Yes, I can attest to the terrible aches and pains passing.  I used to have it constantly.  Now, I get it sometimes just before a period, but not nearly to the degree I did before.  I guess those were the days when I was constantly posting about the revelation that middle age did indeed come before old age. Cool Runnings, HomemakerJ Thanks all I’m finally pain free today woke up this morning like their was nothing wrong! No change in the weather and but a change in me.So it’s not the rain. Thanks Kit

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Hi, Been lurking here awhile, but this is my first posting. I am reading this group to gain knowledge about hormone replacement. I have just started taking premarin and medoxyprogesterone. I am 42 and had been having peri-menopausal symptoms. This thread caught my attention because I have rheumatoid arthritis, and have a family member with fibromyalgia. These autoimmune diseases can become more symptomatic when estrogen levels drop. It is possible, in addition to a myriad of other possibilities, that your pain might be due to fibromyalgia or other rheumatic conditions that affect the joints, muscles and connective tissues. Better get it checked out by a doctor, the specialist in this field would be a rheumatologist, a gp might be able to diagnose but diagnosing some of these conditions is tricky, so if your regular doctor can’t explain it to your satisfaction, ask for a referral. Don’t be alarmed as there are many possible explanations, but do get it checked if it persists, please, some of these conditions can be progressive.  Looking forward to getting to know you all, and thanks for the good info I have already read here! Please cc to e-mail if you write me and want a reply, as I can’t always get over here (3 kids, arthritis, etc. ) to read as often as I’d like.   Sincerely, Liz G PS  A special thanks to Pat Kight, whose cross-posted (and elegant, I might add) reply to a spammer showed up in an arthritis ng I read, and led me to this fine group!

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, Liz G. <pion…@neteze.com wrote: PS  A special thanks to Pat Kight, whose cross-posted (and elegant, I might add) reply to a spammer showed up in an arthritis ng I read, and led me to this fine group!

Argh. I try to avoid cross-posting as a general matter of netiquette, but sometimes I fire things off before I double-check all the headers. In any event, I’m glad my cross-post had a positive outcome. Welcome to a.s.m., Liz. –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org

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hendy…@aol.com (HENDY239) wrote:

Hope someone can point me in the right direction.   I started into menopause about five years ago, I think, and noticed visiblethinning of my hair.  Dr. says it isn’t uncommon in menopausal women.  Getting worse.  Aside from rogain, any advice.  Thank you.

Check out <http://www.drproctor.com

.  Dr. Peter Proctor is a

recognized authority in this area, holding several patents for hair restoration formulae.  Last time I checked, he was an occasional contributor to alt.bald-spot, the newsgroup devoted to alopecia (baldness).

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I "visited" Dr. Proctor on the web. It sounds as though he’s focused on "boy" stuff. Not sure there’s much here for those of us who simply have thinning hair. Regards, vlhb002 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Robert Ames wrote:

Check out <http://www.drproctor.com.  Dr. Peter Proctor is a recognized authority in this area, holding several patents for hair restoration formulae.  Last time I checked, he was an occasional contributor to alt.bald-spot, the newsgroup devoted to alopecia (baldness).

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Hope someone can point me in the right direction.   I started into menopause about five years ago, I think, and noticed visiblethinning of my hair.  Dr. says it isn’t uncommon in menopausal women.  Getting worse.  Aside from rogain, any advice.  Thank you.

Hi Hendy and welcome to a.s.m.  Hair loss has been mentioned on this group from time to time and while I neither suffer from it (being of the type mentioned on this thread who has coarse hair which goes grey early) nor know of any remedy, I hope it is of comfort to you that it is not an uncommon symptom.  I have two friends of menopausal age who have had significant hair loss and have handled it in different ways and I think both of them look great.  One friend is my age (52), Hispanic, with dark hair and no grey, who wears what hair she has very short and neat.  The hair loss is noticeable, but because she is otherwise so well groomed (makeup, hair and clothes always "together" it doesn’t look bad.  The other friend is very fair, what hair she has is light brown, she owns a clothing store and *always* wears a hat, which works great in her line of business.  Best wishes with this problem.  RuthJ

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vlhb…@aol.com (Vlhb002) wrote:

I "visited" Dr. Proctor on the web. It sounds as though he’s focused on "boy" stuff. Not sure there’s much here for those of us who simply have thinning hair. Check out <http://www.drproctor.com.  Dr. Peter Proctor is a

If you go to Dejanews, enter "alt.baldspot" for the forum, and "menopause" for the key word, you’ll find a lot of stuff on treatment of hairloss in women, much of it written by Proctor.  He also wrote the hairloss FAQ.  He writes that the treatments for men & women are about the same, except that women can take some oral medications that men can’t. The shampoo and conditioner he sells contain special antioxidants among other things.  This isn’t MLM type nonsense, he uses spin-trap antioxidants he’s patented and so forth.  Write to him if you like: pproc…@neosoft.com.

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On 26 Oct 1998 05:07:03 GMT, hendy…@aol.com (HENDY239) wrote:

Hope someone can point me in the right direction.   I started into menopause about five years ago, I think, and noticed visiblethinning of my hair.  Dr. says it isn’t uncommon in menopausal women.  Getting worse.  Aside from rogain, any advice.  Thank you.

It seems very common except for people who have that coarser sort of hair which goes grey early. Too much Vitamin E can cause it as can thyroid problems. I raised it with my last doctor (she of the thick coarse variety). She laughed and told me one answer was to become an orthodox Jew as they wear wigs. Rogaine has a better success rate with men according to the package insert. I tried it for 3 months back in my vainer days and I can’t say I noticed much difference. You could buy a lot of wigs with that sort of money. Best wishes Joanna

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Hi VIhb002: Hair loss sure is a symptom of hyper thyroid but after the tapazol drug it grow’s back thick.Tapazol is a drug that is used to treat Graves and the the thyroid goiter I have 6 lump’s and they sit so nicely on my vocal cord’s i would loss my voice if operated not good for a Gabby Hase thype.Shiney velvety skin is also another symptom of hyper thyroid as are shakey hand’s,bad balance,weight loss,anxiety,etc. I am sorry I don’t know much about hypo symptom’s except that their is weight gain,cold,nail changes dry skin.Hope this is helpful to someone.Honestly ladies have the TSH done if you feel lousey tsh is a blood test.Best Wishes.  Kit Vlhb002 <vlhb…@aol.com

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day,

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bought. I think, though, that hair loss is a symptom of fluctuating

hormone

levels as well as a variety of other insults to the system (poor

nutrition,

stress, radiation therapy, etc.). Meno hair loss isn’t necessarily

permanent.

Isn’t hair loss a thyroid symptom, too? Or is that dry and unshiny hair? Regards, vlhb…@aol.com

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J Prescott <joa…@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote: It seems very common except for people who have that coarser sort of hair which goes grey early. Me me me! Totally white. But my hair is still much thinner than it used to be.

*grin* I love the way that, every now and then, one of us will reveal a little detail like this. My mental images of a.s.m. posters grow detail by detail, like paint-by-number paintings. My hair’s always been fine but abundant. I’ve been perming and coloring it for so long you’d think it would have fallen out, but I have a very good hairdresser and it’s still more or less all there, except at the temples where it’s thinned rather dramatically … and in the fall, I find myself dredging great clots of hair out of my shower drains. My hairstyle (if you can call it that) is loose and curly, so it kind of camouflages what loss there is. –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org

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writes: J Prescott <joa…@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote: It seems very common except for people who have that coarser sort of hair which goes grey early. Me me me! Totally white. But my hair is still much thinner than it used to be.

Oh, wow, really?  I’ll have to change my mental picture.  Not that you ever said what color your hair was that I recall, but I pictured it as black. I have red hair.  Still.  And thinner than it used to be.  I should get it cut, but hair salons affect me much as the dentist does. — "Moreover, fantasticality does a good deal better than sham psychology."  – Virginia Woolf ———————————————————– Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet                        p…@ddb.com

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Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com writes: J Prescott <joa…@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote: It seems very common except for people who have that coarser sort of hair which goes grey early. Me me me! Totally white. But my hair is still much thinner than it used to be. Oh, wow, really?  I’ll have to change my mental picture.  Not that you ever said what color your hair was that I recall, but I pictured it as black.

Yeah, me too…..I pictured her with black hair as well. We should investigate the reasoning behind that one!

I have red hair.  Still.  And thinner than it used to be.  I should get it cut, but hair salons affect me much as the dentist does.

I am a brunette with a fair amount of greying, that is what prompted me to become a chemically treated natural blonde. But my hair started thinning and I decided to stop the natural blonde thingy and also the Vit E I was taking. This slowed it down, but I find did not stop it, now that I have stopped the estrogen I hope it will stop the thinning totally. AneeBear

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  hendy…@aol.com (HENDY239) wrote:

Hope someone can point me in the right direction.   I started into menopause about five years ago, I think, and noticed visiblethinning of my hair.  Dr. says it isn’t uncommon in menopausal women.  Getting worse.  Aside from

rogain,

any advice.  Thank you. Hi there Hendy,

How old are you now?  And please describe exactly where you have thinned and lost?  Is it the front hairline area?  Is it on top.  Also, have you had all the blood tests?  Are you taking vitamins. Linda ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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  march1…@seesig.pobox.com (Lianne McNeil) wrote:

On 26 Oct 1998 05:07:03 GMT, hendy…@aol.com (HENDY239) wrote: Hope someone can point me in the right direction.   I started into menopause about five years ago, I think, and noticed visiblethinning of my hair.  Dr. says it isn’t uncommon in menopausal women.  Getting worse.  Aside from

rogain,

any advice.  Thank you. I had visible thinning of my hair when I began peri-menopause, about five years ago. I have seen some older women with very thin hair, so it worried me.  But after about 2 years it grew back.  However, I have not reached menopause yet, and it sounds like you might already be post-menopausal?  (Did you mean that you stopped having periods five

HI there, When you say you were in peri-menopause.  What is that and how old were you. How old are you now.  What type of hairloss.  Location?  frontal, top? What exactly did you do.  What vitamins are you taking. I am 45 and I have had noticeable thinning and loss in hairline, temples are receding.  Very smooth and tender scalp.  Going nuts. Thanks for your help. Linda

years ago?)  If so, I’m not sure how well my experience would relate to your situation. There are hairstyles that can maximize what hair you have left.  I’ve seen some post-menopausal women who wear wigs because of their thin hair.  It probably wouldn’t hurt to be especially careful to get a good balanced diet and possibly take vitamin and mineral supplements…  though there’s no assurance that this would make your hair grow back.  But you can make sure your body has all the elements it needs to grow healthy hair. Lianne To reply by e-mail, remove "seesig." from my address.  No spam, no announcements, no commercial e-mail, no mailing lists.

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hendy…@aol.com (HENDY239) wrote:

Hope someone can point me in the right direction.   I started into menopause about five years ago, I think, and noticed visiblethinning of my hair.  Dr. says it isn’t uncommon in menopausal women.  Getting worse.  Aside from rogain, any advice.  Thank you.

I also have thinning hair and because it is still dark my scalp shows through!  Very distressing.  There is a discussion group at alt.baldspot which I have found to be helpful.  It is mostly younger men, but the forum is a good place to learn about what works and what doesn’t.  There are women who post there, too.  Also, Regrowth! at http://www/regrowth.com is a very informative site.  They also have a chat feature, including a forum on Female Hair Loss.  Hope this information is helpful!

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 like my hairdresser a lot as a person; I’m totally spoiled. I look forward to seeing her. I don’t know what I’ll do if I ever move. Be unhappy for a long time, I guess! Karen   ka…@wordwrite.com I just have to get in on this topic.o.k.light blond so the gray’s don’t show so bad think we all look fabulous now that we have hair colors Regard’s Kit Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com

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Pamela Dean Dyer-Bennet <p…@ddb.com wrote: Karen Kay <ka…@wordwrite.com writes: J Prescott <joa…@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote: It seems very common except for people who have that coarser sort of hair which goes grey early. Me me me! Totally white. But my hair is still much thinner than it used to be. Oh, wow, really?  I’ll have to change my mental picture.  Not that you ever said what color your hair was that I recall, but I pictured it as black. It was a very dark brown, almost black. Then it was interestingly greying… I’ve never seen it all white, except for once at my hairdresser. It looks terrible with my skin. I have red hair.  Still.  And thinner than it used to be.  I should get it cut, but hair salons affect me much as the dentist does. There is a Chinese herb, he shou wu, that is supposed to be good for hair. I looked it up on the web and started taking it because the side effects were benign. I haven’t noticed a big improvement, but I’m not taking large amounts of it. I like my hairdresser a lot as a person; I’m totally spoiled. I look forward to seeing her. I don’t know what I’ll do if I ever move. Be unhappy for a long time, I guess! Karen   ka…@wordwrite.com

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linda5…@my-dejanews.com wrote:

When you say you were in peri-menopause.  What is that

Hi, Linda, and welcome to alt.support.menopause. Perimenopause is the technical term for the time (months or years) leading up to menopause, when your body is beginning to change its chemical balance to a non-reproductive state. It’s just a more specific term for the whole process a lot of us always thought of as "menopause" — which is actually defined as the *end* of those periods. Most doctors say we’re don’t really reach menopause until we haven’t had a period for a year. You’ll hear the term a lot in this newsgroup. I’ll leave the your hair loss questions for Lianne, since she’s the one who mentioned the subject.

I am 45 and I have had noticeable thinning and loss in hairline, temples are receding.  Very smooth and tender scalp.  Going nuts.

Forty-five is right smack in the middle of what seems to be the normal age for most of us to be experiencing the "joys" of perimenopause, which can include all kinds of strange symptoms that often leave us feeling like we’re going nuts. Some we can do things about, some we can’t, but it usually helps to know you’re not alone. –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org

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J Prescott <joa…@lotos-land.demon.co.uk wrote: It seems very common except for people who have that coarser sort of hair which goes grey early. Me me me! Totally white. But my hair is still much thinner than it used to be. Karen   ka…@wordwrite.com

Karen that’s funny, I visualized you with sort of chestnut brown hair with some grey mixed in.  I thought you said on a related thread some time ago that your grey/white hairs themselves were *coarser* than your brown ones had been.  Mine are *much* finer and I attribute that to the fact that, since they contain less pigment, there’s less "there" there. Is this the same reason that the cat-hairs which get stuck in your eyes are always the white ones you can’t see to get them out?  RuthJ

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I have my hair colored to look like I’m going grey.

Lol ! yeah, me too, but only the roots usually I’ll remember that line the next time I’ve let it go a little to long!

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From a newbie lurker who is hypothyroid (and peri-menopausal) here is a short list of many of the symptoms of hypothyroidism: -Irregular menstrual cycles (longer, heavier or more frequent) -Hair loss -Fatigue -Weight gain -Increased or decreased appetite -Breathlessness -Depression -Infertility -Miscarriage -Carpal Tunnel Syndrome -Feeling of "something in my throat" -Coarse, dry, scaley skin -Constipation -Restlessness -Moody -Feelings of worthlessness -Loss of interest in normal daily activities -Memory loss, or "Brain Fog" -Aches in joints and muscles Since the thyroid effects every part of your body (as most hormones do) – you can get LOTS of symptoms, or perhaps only a few.  Some people get diagnosed by a routine blood test and don’t even realize they have a problem until their doctor tells them. (I wish I had been so lucky).  Many of the hypo symptoms are similar to perimenopausal symptoms, so it is a good idea to have your thyroid checked if you are having problems. For more info in Thyroid Disease see the following web sites:    http://thyroid.miningco.com/     Sue

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… Kris <nob…@replay.com wrote: Karen Kay wrote in message <71b3mp$kh4 I have my hair colored to look like I’m going grey. Lol ! yeah, me too, but only the roots usually No, no, I pay big bucks for an elaborate weave! It’s not a simple thing at all, and not just the roots. Karen  ka…@wordwrite.com

I thought that might be the case even as I answered; but I still love the line as an answer to my own occasional neglect. How often does this weaving need to be redone? For big bucks, may I assume it looks quite natural?

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From a newbie lurker who is hypothyroid (and peri-menopausal) here is a short list of many of the symptoms of hypothyroidism: -Irregular menstrual cycles (longer, heavier or more frequent) -Hair loss -Fatigue -Weight gain -Increased or decreased appetite -Breathlessness -Depression -Infertility -Miscarriage -Carpal Tunnel Syndrome -Feeling of "something in my throat" -Coarse, dry, scaley skin -Constipation -Restlessness -Moody -Feelings of worthlessness -Loss of interest in normal daily activities -Memory loss, or "Brain Fog" -Aches in joints and muscles

Thanks, Sue. This givs me a much clearer picture of why  some a.s.m. posters, the ones with thyroid problems, seem to be having an especially hard time with perimenopause. Compare this with the famous "list of 34 symptoms" (http://www.howdyneighbor.com/menopaus/symptoms.htm") and you’ll see a *lot* of overlap. Sorting out which problems are due to which causes must be difficult beyond belief. –Pat Kight kig…@peak.org

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Thanks, Sue. This givs me a much clearer picture of why  some a.s.m. posters, the ones with thyroid problems, seem to be having an especially hard time with perimenopause. Compare this with the famous "list of 34 symptoms" (http://www.howdyneighbor.com/menopaus/symptoms.htm") and you’ll see a *lot* of overlap. Sorting out which problems are due to which causes must be difficult beyond belief.

Throw this factoid into the mix: the three drugs most recently prescribed in 1996, in rank order, were amoxicillin, Premarin, and Synthroid. (http://www.rxlist.com/top200.htm) Regards, vlhb…@aol.cm

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LESS-THAN-FACTOID ALERT: I should look up a reference — I was reading *something* just the other day, and it might have been Susan Love’s Hormone Book, which I finally went out and bought. I think, though, that hair loss is a symptom of fluctuating hormone levels as well as a variety of other insults to the system (poor nutrition, stress, radiation therapy, etc.). Meno hair loss isn’t necessarily permanent. Isn’t hair loss a thyroid symptom, too? Or is that dry and unshiny hair? Regards, vlhb…@aol.com

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On 26 Oct 1998 05:07:03 GMT, hendy…@aol.com (HENDY239) wrote:

Hope someone can point me in the right direction.   I started into menopause about five years ago, I think, and noticed visiblethinning of my hair.  Dr. says it isn’t uncommon in menopausal women.  Getting worse.  Aside from rogain, any advice.  Thank you.

I had visible thinning of my hair when I began peri-menopause, about five years ago. I have seen some older women with very thin hair, so it worried me.  But after about 2 years it grew back.  However, I have not reached menopause yet, and it sounds like you might already be post-menopausal?  (Did you mean that you stopped having periods five years ago?)  If so, I’m not sure how well my experience would relate to your situation. There are hairstyles that can maximize what hair you have left.  I’ve seen some post-menopausal women who wear wigs because of their thin hair.  It probably wouldn’t hurt to be especially careful to get a good balanced diet and possibly take vitamin and mineral supplements…  though there’s no assurance that this would make your hair grow back.  But you can make sure your body has all the elements it needs to grow healthy hair. Lianne To reply by e-mail, remove "seesig." from my address.  No spam, no announcements, no commercial e-mail, no mailing lists.

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Hope someone can point me in the right direction.   I started into menopause about five years ago, I think, and noticed visiblethinning of my hair.  Dr. says it isn’t uncommon in menopausal women.  Getting worse.  Aside from rogain, any advice.  Thank you.

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Hi welcome to the new’s I don’t have hair loss but I do think that it is a symptom of menopause,I see product’s at my hair dresser’s for that perhap’s  you could look into  I’am sure the other ladie will be able to help you more. Regard’s Kit  HENDY239 <hendy…@aol.com

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