Marijuana ?
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Begining an adventure I will never believe at age 58 … Well … I
hope it will add to my
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dove, that’s not much older than the age my oldest sister was the first time she smoked pot! she was dx’d with rheumatoid arthritis when she was in her 50s. her doc had told her she wasn’t a good candidate for some anti-rheumatic — is that correct? — drug that was much in the news at the time, so she did the vioxx/celebrex/mobic thing, used a TENS unit, had physical therapy, and her doc finally put her on Lortabs — i believe it’s either an opiate or a synth opiate. she and ihad talked about medical MJ before, but only to the extent that she knew i used it. my oldest sister was married at 17, a mom at 18, married to a career air force guy, living on bases in various countries and bringing up 3 kids — she just kind of skipped over the 60s/70s dope stuff. my sis didn’t liike the lortabs because of side FX. she’d talked with her doc about medpot, and the oc didn’t seem to be oppsed, but she figured it wasn’t something she’d ever try, because she didn’t know where to get some. then one day her husband’s neice showed up with a baggie…LOL. i found out the whole story whenshe came to visit us a year or so ago. she’d asked the neice how much it cost because she wanted to reimburse her; the neice refused; my sister told her she might want to get some of her own someday, so how much did it cost??? the neice finally told her she’d paid $50 for what she had. i hav no idea how much or what kind it was, but my sister — of course, LOL! — slipped the neice 50 bucks, and after our visit, i found that she’d left a $50 bill on the table wrapped up in a note that said ‘for medicine.’ the funny part — because she’d never been a recreational user, she didn’t know much about price — she got it into her head that ‘pot costs 50 dollars.’ ;-
the part that may be pertinent to your sitch — my sister said it worked aces for pain, the docs weaned her off the lortabs, and even tho she was a lifelong non-user, absolutely no psycho-freakout stuff happened when she began using medpot. i wish you the best and hope it works as well for you! :-
rose
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an ounce of leaves crushed and dried to look like spices do –
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:18:00 -0500, Yon…@webtv.net (Dove 1) wrote:
an ounce of leaves crushed and dried to look like spices do –
Then it probably won’t contain any parts of the plant that will produce a high. Remember only the female buds or their extracts will get you stoned. $110 an once for just the leaves is too expensive.
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:18:00 -0500, Yon…@webtv.net (Dove 1) wrote: an ounce of leaves crushed and dried to look like spices do – Then it probably won’t contain any parts of the plant that will produce a high. Remember only the female buds or their extracts will get you stoned. $110 an once for just the leaves is too expensive.
steve, i’m wondering — since dove has said that she’s COMPLETELY inexperienced with marijuana, perhaps there’s some confusion about ‘leaves’ vs. buds/flowers. $110 for an oz. of just leaf would be insanely expensive! the ‘crushed and dried to look like spices do’ part — dove, do you just mean MJ that looks like oregano or something when it’s in a baggie? if so, it probably IS crushed up buds, rather than leaves. when you grow your own plants, there are leaves — they look pretty much like the leaves [leafs? brain-fart this morning] of any flowering plant. i mean they have a distincitve appearance, but when looking at the plant itself, they stick off te branches like the leaves of other plants do. the buds, if the plant is not harvested, would eventually flower. male plants have really pretty flowers — if pot was legal across the board, i’d keep some ‘boyz’ around just because i like the way they look. ;-
just crossed my mind that people who have never used pot before, ever, may not understand that the plants have buds and leaves, but just think of it as ‘marijuana,’ and not understand that the unfamiliar terms they hear others use are not necessarily interchangeable. rose
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Oy – now there are male and female plants — and oils — and
blossoms —
I think I am not up to doing this properly !
dove, i think it’s possible that many of us didn’t/don’t realize HOW inexperienced you were with cannabis when we first started talking to you. once a person gets the hang of it, it’s really NOT all that hard to learn to grow one’s own, but folks need to learn their ABCs before they’re ready to start reading. yes, there are male and female plants — just as there are with all plants that reproduce ’sexually.’ the female plants are the ones that produce the cannabis that gives you both the high, and the medical benefits. there are hermaphrodite pot plants as well — if they fertilize themselves, all the seeds will be female. it can get extremely complicated, but i don’t reckon you need to concern yourself with all the specifics — it could end up something like trying to do calculus problems before you’ve learned basic addition and subtraction. just think of flowering plants generally — they’ve got stems with leaves sticking off them, and they’ve also got flowers. the terms ‘buds’ and ‘flowers’ are used fairly interchangeably when talking about growing medical MJ, but they’ll be the buds harvested before the plant has actually flowered. the leaves and stems will contain small amounts of THC, but the highest concentration is in the buds.
I am very glad to hear that it takes only 1 or 2 puffs for the spasms
to subside — while i tend to smoke the bud, rather than the leaf as steve does, my experience with speed of efficacy is identical. there’s no waiting time — i start to feel the muscles relaxing and the spasms easing up almost immediately. it’s much easier for me to tell if i’m going to need more or not than it has ever been taking a pill, waiting for the effects to kick in, taking another pill or half-pill, etc.
If you were buying already dried – how do you know that this is a
reputable source
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me personally, i buy from 2 people — my former compassionate care provider [prop 215, california-specific term, i believe -- the volunteer who helped me back in the old days], and a personal friend of the family who i’ve known and trusted for a long time. if i was going to buy some from someone whose opinion and intentions i didn’t trust absolutely — it would be proper pot smokers’ etiquette for that person to roll a joint and let me have a taste. obviously, neither of those situations applies to you, though! in your case, maybe start by thinking of the people in your life who you DO trust, and explain your situation to them. if they realize you’re not looking to turn stoner late in life, but rather seeking symptomatic relief, i doubt they’d look down on you for that. in my experience, most people DO know folks who smoke, or who at least know where to get smoke, even if they don’t realize it. maybe someone could steer you toward a reputable source. i’d also advise getting in touch with a local medical MJ group, but since i don’t personally know anyone in florida, or anything about your local law enforcement’s attitudes, it’s possible that could bring more attention than you want. excuse me for a momentary mini-rant — dammit, you’re exactly the kind of person medical use laws were designed for, and it BITES that your area doesn’t have any! if someone already knows a lot about pot and knows 10 different people they could call who are likely to have some, there’s not much of a problem, but someone who has NEVER smoked it and has no idea where to get it needs people who really do want to HELP, not take advantage of naivete. sadly, there are all too many of those latter kinds of people in the world. /mini-rant
How much of this ounce would I need to use at one time ? About how
much
would be necessary for 1 month – each night so I could SLEEP ? It
does help you
sleep right ???
it sure helps ME sleep!! while everyone’s physiology is different, considering the effects you’re interested in and the fact that you’re not a recreational user, it seems like an oz. is likely to last you a good long time. that being the case, you’ll also want to make sure it’s sealed up tightly in a ziplock baggie and stored someplace out of direct sunlight so it will stay fresh — LOL, but i am being serious. all the best, rose
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Oh No — Rob – ! I want to sleep – really sleep — cartoons and unusual movies are for people who are awake — My body is so exhausted — but my mind will not shut off — THIS is why I am wanting to know about everyones thoughts and experiences with the medical use of mj — make the pain stop for a bit — and relax me enough to SLEEP — But I will look online for bongs ??? Will I be arrested for that in Florida ??? Wow – it really is me writing about being arrested !!!! Amazing what can happen in a lifetime ! ….. dove
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Begining an adventure I will never believe at age 58 … Well … I hope it will add to my total life experiences ….. Enough has been taken away …. thanks for responding … Stay safe .. be well … dove
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:42:29 -0500, Yon…@webtv.net (Dove 1) wrote: Just what is STONED ? And – what is a bong ?and is this a beter way than tea ? which I had just decided would work best to try – and than read your post again …. LOL … Starting to wish I had had a more exciting youth ! 58 is a strange age to be learning about MJ !!! Dove, At 58, you are beginning a learning adventure you’ll never believe. Donn
Dove, buy a cartoon to watch for your first try. You know, if money is a factor I think smoking may be less expensive as I think making tea requires more, if I remember right. Rent a Cheech and Chong move! Enjoy. :*) A bong is a water pipe that filters the smoke and cools it down so it doesnt burn your lungs. I wouldnt have a clue how to go about getting one though. Ill bet a million bucks that stores here in Oregon sell them online. This is a BIG pot-state. Rob
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Just what is STONED ? And – what is a bong ?and is this a beter way than tea ? which I had just decided would work best to try – and than read your post again …. LOL … Starting to wish I had had a more exciting youth ! 58 is a strange age to be learning about MJ !!!
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Just what is STONED ? And – what is a bong ?and is this a beter way than tea ? which I had just decided would work best to try – and than read your post again …. LOL … Starting to wish I had had a more exciting youth ! 58 is a strange age to be learning about MJ !!!
Dove, At 58, you are beginning a learning adventure you’ll never believe. Donn
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:18:00 -0500, Yon…@webtv.net (Dove 1) wrote: an ounce of leaves crushed and dried to look like spices do – Then it probably won’t contain any parts of the plant that will produce a high. Remember only the female buds or their extracts will get you stoned. $110 an once for just the leaves is too expensive.
Dont know about the price, but leaves off of male plants can certainly get you stoned. Why do you say it cant? I understand that experienced pot smokers like to smoke female buds, because of the higher THC content, but that doesnt mean the leaves of male plants dont have it. Rob
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Oy – now there are male and female plants — and oils — and blossoms — I think I am not up to doing this properly ! I am very glad to hear that it takes only 1 or 2 puffs for the spasms to subside — so – do you grow your own plants — or buy from someone else ??? If you were buying already dried – how do you know that this is a reputable source ? I have been told that here – to purchase from a repudable person ( who is selling for recreational use ) it will cost $110.00 an ounce — I am — on a limited income – How much of this ounce would I need to use at one time ? About how much would be necessary for 1 month – each night so I could SLEEP ? It does help you sleep right ??? Thanks for your help Steve … Be safe and well … Dove
Dove I think an ounce is a lot. A LOT! Id bet that would last a non-stoner 6 months. As Steve said, if you only take a couple of drags through a pipe, or a bong, each night, an ounce would last you forever. When I did it Im pretty sure it was for a gram. ($10.00) Theres 20 or 30… (cant recall at the moment) in an ounce. A gram lasted me a long time. But Im the ultimate light-weight in regard to pot. Most would use more I think. But still, an ounce should last you a long, long, time. Make sure you tell NOBODY you are using it. NOBODY. (you could ask your doc if hes willling to discuss your "hypothetical" use of it, off the record.) Just so he knows why you may no longer be needing some other med you might be taking. Just getting a bit stoned makes you feel better. That alone is good enough for me in regard to legalizing it for medical use. Hmmm… Its been a while, but Im thinking I may get some, lol. Rob
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My experience is that one or two puffs on a pipe full of cannabis
leaf
cures muscle spasms almost instantly. Dried, young leaf is very mild and does not produce a high. Only the buds from female flowering plants, resin or oil will produce a turn on but dried leaf from either the male or female plant cures spasms. I don’t mix it with the legal but highly addictive tobacco. Fresh leaf makes a pleasant tea. Steve
steve, is it leaf from some kind of special medical-use strain that you’re talking about, or just plain old leaf? when i smoked leaf, it did nothing for my spasms — only FX I noticed were my lips got slightly numb and i had a headache. consuming it in baked goods was slightly better, but again, didn’t cure the spasms. i’m not doubting you or anything — wish i had the same leaf you’ve had is all! rose
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st…@tropheus.demon.co.uk wrote: My experience is that one or two puffs on a pipe full of cannabis leaf cures muscle spasms almost instantly. Dried, young leaf is very mild and does not produce a high. Only the buds from female flowering plants, resin or oil will produce a turn on but dried leaf from either the male or female plant cures spasms. I don’t mix it with the legal but highly addictive tobacco. Fresh leaf makes a pleasant tea. Steve steve, is it leaf from some kind of special medical-use strain that you’re talking about, or just plain old leaf?
Just plain leaf but I only use the newly growing small ones. It may make a difference. I’ve never tried the older leaf.
when i smoked leaf, it did nothing for my spasms — only FX I noticed were my lips got slightly numb and i had a headache. consuming it in baked goods was slightly better, but again, didn’t cure the spasms.
I’m talking about 100% leaf in a pipe – no tobacco.
i’m not doubting you or anything — wish i had the same leaf you’ve had is all!
Another possibility is the theory that my wife has. She reckons it’s all in my mind and I could smoke anything to get relief from spasms! Steve
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Oy – now there are male and female plants — and oils — and blossoms — I think I am not up to doing this properly ! I am very glad to hear that it takes only 1 or 2 puffs for the spasms to subside — so – do you grow your own plants — or buy from someone else ??? If you were buying already dried – how do you know that this is a reputable source ? I have been told that here – to purchase from a repudable person ( who is selling for recreational use ) it will cost $110.00 an ounce — I am — on a limited income – How much of this ounce would I need to use at one time ? About how much would be necessary for 1 month – each night so I could SLEEP ? It does help you sleep right ??? Thanks for your help Steve … Be safe and well … Dove
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:56:04 -0500, Yon…@webtv.net (Dove 1) wrote:
Oy – now there are male and female plants — and oils — and blossoms — I think I am not up to doing this properly ! I am very glad to hear that it takes only 1 or 2 puffs for the spasms to subside — so – do you grow your own plants — or buy from someone else ??? If you were buying already dried – how do you know that this is a reputable source ?
I have grown my own but these days it’s easier to let someone else do it. I know it is a reputable source by just looking at the leaves. If I was buying resin or oil then it would be more difficult to test the quality.
I have been told that here – to purchase from a repudable person ( who is selling for recreational use ) it will cost $110.00 an ounce — I am — on a limited income – How much of this ounce would I need to use at one time ? About how much would be necessary for 1 month – each night so I could SLEEP ? It does help you sleep right ???
An ounce of what? An ounce is quite a lot but the preparation is different for different types.
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:26:42 -0500, Yon…@webtv.net (Dove 1) wrote:
Has anyone here tried marijuana for symptom control ? If you have – what were the effects ? Positive and negetive ? What form did you use ? Which was most and least effective ? Have you continued to use it ? I am 58 yr old female – trying to manage symptoms with less Rxs daily – I do not want to break laws or get "high" This truely is a serious post …. Thank you
My experience is that one or two puffs on a pipe full of cannabis leaf cures muscle spasms almost instantly. Dried, young leaf is very mild and does not produce a high. Only the buds from female flowering plants, resin or oil will produce a turn on but dried leaf from either the male or female plant cures spasms. I don’t mix it with the legal but highly addictive tobacco. Fresh leaf makes a pleasant tea. Steve
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Oy Vey ! I was so NOT happy to read your very kind mail Rose
Now I understand why my Dr was so strange – when he is usually very open to my suggestions — We have been using Rxs to simply treat each symptom as they come and go – In the begining 3yrs ago – he did not know me yet — so was very cautious about prescribing things for me to use "as needed" — but now he knows that I am VERY cautious — even to the point where HE increased my vicodin before my surgery a month ago – the pain was causing my muscle spasms to be much worse — than I could not sleep — than YOU Know — the whole cycle goes nuts – I will go to the site you gave me — do you know if even the pill form of cannibus is not legal in Florida ? ( I think it has a different name ) I do not want to go to jail – I do want something that will ease my symptoms and pain — Do you know which States have better laws ? OK – Thanks – look forward to hearing back from you — but if I am being a pain – do not feel obligated Rose — Be safe and well …. Dove
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hi abdi, yup, even in states with a medical use provision, that means it can be used as a DEFENSE, but not necessarily that you won’t be arrested in the first place, even if your county has a program and you’re in complete compliance with all the regs. the way the state provision is viewed by law enforcement in each specific county — cali has 58 separae counties IIRC — will liikely play a big role in how the first responders treat medical users. in pre-prop-215 days, the law made a distinction between misdemeanor and felony cultivation — 5 plants or fewer was a misdemeanor; any more than 6 was a felony. after the counties got rolling — hee, no pun intended! — with their own medical use provisions [each county comes up with its own rules re the number of plants one is allowed, the method of joining the medical use program, etc.], the ‘generic’ rules were tightened up, so that now growing even one plant is a felony — no longer such a thing as misdemeanor cultivation now that prop 215 supposedly took care of the medical users. the city of san diego came up with its own program, no. of plants/amount of ‘dried marijuana’ permitted, acceptable medical conditions, a system with plastic ID cards and registration numbers, etc. since i live within the COUNTY of S.D., but not the city limits, i’m ineligible for the CITY program. the county had money set aside with which they’d PLANNED to establish their own medical use provisions, but when the county went broke [after the city went broke, which was after the state went broke!!], the money was used for something else and the county program put on hold. because california ‘generic’ drug law is lenient regarding cannabis, ie simple possession of 1 oz. or less is an infraction, not even a misdemeanor, no mandated jail time at all, $100 fine — very similar to a traffic ticket — and because cultivation laws have been tightened, and because the county has no program whose rules I CAN abide by, it really makes more sense for me to just buy my MEDICAL marijuana, an oz. at a time, from any old pot dealer, than to grow my own, which was the major point of prop 215 in the first place. it’s a conundrum, and i’d much prefer to just do what i’d done previously — grow my 5 little ‘girls’ myself and start on 5 new ones post-harvest — but i’d be in much more potential trouble doing it that way, than just buying weed from a dealer. i think that’s SAD, but OTOH, I also realize how fortunate i am compared to some folks who have to deal with draconian drug laws and no medical use exemptions. if your state doesn’t have medical use provisions, and you’ve got the energy and cognitive ability [generic 'you'], lobby for them! there’s no reason any sensible person should be unable to separate medical users from stoners, even if said person is extremely anti-drug in general. i think it’s generally recognized that a person taking morphine for intractable pain due to brain cancer [for instance] is very different from a junkie on the street slamming heroin. why shouldn’t it be generally recognized and acknowledged that the same is true for medical MJ? I’ve heard some supposed explanations, but they’ve never made sense to me. i’d like to see medical use provisions in every county in every state, but it takes effort to get the legislation proposed, and even more effort to get it passed. i’m glad to have been physcally and mentally healthy enough to have volunteered and helped get the prop 215 message across. if your state has no medical exemption, and if you’re [again, generic 'you'] able to even write a letter, then you can be a volunteer for such legislation. there are probably groups with that aim already in place in your area — check them out first, if they seem legit, contact them and ask what you can do. i realize ‘grass-roots’ makes a funny little pun, but i feel very strongly about this issue. we, the people, have a responsibility to get the word out — well ok, IMHO we do. rose
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Thanks for your replies –
)) Actually I now have more questions than answers — First off – I know little about this whole issue — I have serious cognitive disabilities — I have been hearing that studies were done – they seemed to show good results and less side effects — I live in N-E-Central Florida — I would like to grow the plants myself — I have heard that it is expensive to purchase — I do not – as Abdi said – want to go to jail – The tea idea sounds like I could benefit from it and control the dosage most easily I am also worried about interactions with medicines I must take – synthroid – premarin -……. My doctor would not discuss any of this – I read each of your posts – It sounds like this would at least be worth trying if only for muscle spasm pain —- I hope you all will have the patience to help me work through this since you are all more knowledgable than I — Thanks
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dove, yikes, florida. no medical use provision, and you can get 5 years in prison and a $5,000 fine for growing even ONE plant, AND y’all have got mandatory minimums out there. you’re in a BAD area for medical use, and i’m very sorry about that — but i can see why your doc isn’t even willing to discuss any of it with you! :{ there is a yahoo group that you might want to take a look at — http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MSMarijuana/ – as you can probably guess from the title, it deals specifically with M.S. and medical marijuana. it’s a very good place to get information. i’m not sure what i would do in your situation, to be honest. florida drug laws have even misdemeanor possession of less than 20 grams of marijuana showing sentences of a year in jail/$1,000 fine. it’s definitely a factor that needs to be weighed, the benefits you’d likely receive from medical use vs. the jail time and fines you’d likely receive for medical use in a state with no medical use provision. and it flat sucks! but it’s best to be realistic. i know there are groups in florida dedicated to getting medical use recognized, but i don’t know anyone from those groups personally, and am unfamiliar with them — maybe someone reading who’s closer to the area could give you some feedback about local groups. in the early prop 215 days, i learned a lot from working with ‘grow-ops,’ cooperative efforts to assist people with no experience in growing, but when the ‘grow-ops’ were the first to go down, the ‘medpot movement’ became somewhat fragmentary, with ‘authorized sellers’ who charged ripoff prices that no street dealer would dare to charge, people wanting to get licensed as compassionate providers simply so they could grow their own weed and have a defense — the kind of person who’s willing to name every name he knows because he was never interested in helping sick people to begin with, but only trying to play the system for his own benefit — in an area without a well-established medical MJ movement, there are various things that can pop up and cause trouble, and it’s always best to have someone who knows the area and the folks involved who can give you tips on what to watch out for, who wants to help vs. who just wants to take your money, that kind of thing. i’m more than happy to help you work through specifics re growing and such, but it would probably be wiser to take things slow, because of your area and the risks involved…and lso because, as you admit you’re inexperienced, i’d hate to see profiteering jerks take advantage of you or others in your situation. all the best, rose
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I am jealous of you. I did not take any medication when I had the chance
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Dove 1 wrote: Has anyone here tried marijuana for symptom control ? If you have – what were the effects ? Positive and negetive ? What form did you use ? Which was most and least effective ? Have you continued to use it ? I am 58 yr old female – trying to manage symptoms with less Rxs daily – I do not want to break laws or get "high" This truely is a serious post …. Thank you hi dove1, yes, i use medical MJ for symptom control, and have been regularly since the passage of california’s prop 215. as with other meds, it does affect some of us differently, but i’ll give you my personal experiences. in addition to spasticity, i have very painful muscle spasms, and hands-down, there’s NOTHING I’ve tried that works better for the spasms. it works to an extent with spasticity — i’d say approximately the same as valium or zanaflex, the anti-spasticity drugs the neuro prescribes. also in my own case, weight loss has been a problem, so i use MJ for appetite stimulation and as an anti-nausea agent, again very effective, but i realize that the munchies are not a desireable side effect for everyone! in my case it’s effective to a degree with neuropathic pain, but i must admit this is the one area where i’ve found prescription drugs to work better — i generally do a ‘combination treatment’ thing there, using cannabis as an adjunct. it relaxes me and helps with my quality of sleep — i don’t wake up with a ’stoned hangover’ feeling when using marijuana, while i DO wake up with that ‘hung over’ feeling when using prescription meds. in my case, it also has mood elevating effects, one of the things i like the best about medpot is that it does cover many symptoms all by itself, rather than having a pill for each separate one. i know some folks have trouble with paranoia — i actually analyzed this, LOL, and found that my ‘paranoia’ is the kind that stems from heightened senses — you hear a car door slam up the street, it sounds like it’s right out front, you jump and wonder who the hell is out there — look out the window, and see that the neighbor 4 doors down has just got home. once i realized this, it no longer ‘bothered’ me. for some people, possibly those predisposed in some way, the paranoia is much worse — unfortunately, i don’t really know any way to predict how it ight affect any given person — if you’ve had problems with paranoia and such previously, i would guess adding MJ would increase those feelings. i do use smoking as my primary method, because it seems much easier to ‘titrate’ the doses with inhaled cannabis. my lungs are ok, but i definitely understand many folks might not want to risk lung damage. i’ve also brewed it up into a traditional indian [hindu] drink called ‘bhang’ [it is the word that we get the word 'bong' from, LOL]. i have a recipe if you’re interested, but it makes use of an entire ounce of marijuana. i’ve also baked it in food — among stoners, it’s common to use the leaf to make brownies and such, but when i’ve made them, i used the buds rather than the leaves — BECAUSE I’m not looking for just a high, but for pain and spasticity relief, and the buds have a higher THC content than the leaf. the bad side effects, the only one for me is that smoking pot gets me high. since i’m retired and have no need to be regularly ‘on,’ it’s not such a problem for me, tho if i was still working, most likely i’d be using pot much less frequently and counting on less-effective prescription meds that don’t make me feel/act quite as goofy! i imagine the munchies would be an unwanted side effect for many, although in my case, it’s a benefit. if you live in an area with a medical use provision, there are folks on the NG who could help you with tips on how to grow your own plants, all you’ve gotta do is ask! :- i’m a 41-year-old woman who’s had M.S. for 15 years. i didn’t even start using medpot till the prop 215 days — i was very much a ‘citizen’ at the time — and i’ve continued using it since. the benefits i receive from it — THE best muscle relaxer i’ve ever had, including prescription pills, and minus the tolerance and addiction issues. spasticity control — to a degree, and easier to find the line between too much spasticity and not enough spasticity when using cannabis than when using prescription pills. sleep aid — works very well, but if fatigue is a big issue for you, be prepared to get sleepy after a certain point. mood elevator — for me, yes. appetite stimulant — oh yeah, LOL, and as i said before, a good thing for me, but probably an unwanted side effect for many. ;- anti-nausea — again, THE best i’ve ever found, including prescription compazine, whch i had after a case of food poisoning. the bad parts — smoking causes lung damage. this can be gotten around by using brewed or baked cannabis. i made some delicious chocolate chip canna-cookies, using a recipe from ‘the joy of cooking’ and just adding crumbled-up buds to the mix. smoking often makes me feel lazy and/or sleepy. if one is buying the weed, the strength will be variable — growing one’s own is my preference anyway. it gives me the munchies — i actually DO try to eat healthy stuff when i’m munching. for some folks whose paranoia gets kicked up in a way that goes beyond the heightened senses, it could be a problem, so use care if you’re inexperienced. that’s all i can think of off the top — if you have further questions or want more details, feel free to ask! not everyone in the NG is a medical user, but there are plenty of folks who are, and who are willing to share the knowledge. rose
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Has anyone here tried marijuana for symptom control ? If you have – what were the effects ? Positive and negetive ? What form did you use ? Which was most and least effective ? Have you continued to use it ? I am 58 yr old female – trying to manage symptoms with less Rxs daily – I do not want to break laws or get "high" This truely is a serious post …. Thank you
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Has anyone here tried marijuana for symptom control ? If you have – what were the effects ? Positive and negetive ? What form did you use ? Which was most and least effective ? Have you continued to use it ? I am 58 yr old female – trying to manage symptoms with less Rxs daily – I do not want to break laws or get "high" This truely is a serious post …. Thank you
Well, Ive tried it. Smoking it is just too strong for me. It hits me to strongly. But I think Im becoming more accustomed to it as I had some a couple of months ago and I didnt get sick. However, I have used it for my MS in the past. Knowing I couldnt smoke it, I experimented. Eventually ending up with me grinding some up in a coffee been grinder. Take a cup and a half of water, pour it into a pan, dump in a little ground up pot, bring to a boil, boil for at least 5 minutes, Poor the water into a coffee mug, place your favorite tea bag or two in there. Let it cool and then drink. Its as simple as that. The chems are activated at much higher temps than boiling, so you get a different effect by boiling and drinking it. Not nearly as harsh, it hits you slower, and lasts longer. I wouldnt even say it stones you, but it still made life fun when I did it. LOL. It never once made me sick, in fact, I always found it to be a relaxing and pleasent experience. In regard to coordination effects… after drinking some I felt particularly giddy and went to the park with Stef’s identical twin sisters boyfriend, a friend who was a linebacker at Willamete Universtiy, and promptly kicked his ass in a one-on-one basketball game. And I hadnt touched a basketball in 5 years. Probably could never have done that straight. LOL I think twice, well meaning friends gave me brownies, and THOSE really stone ya. But they didnt make me sick, it felt heavily buzzy, but not unpleasently so. Much different than smoking and making tea. I recomend tea. But people who are experienced smokers may not even notice such effects, but I sure can. Sorry for yammering. Oh yeah, when you get to the bottom of the cup, swirl it around and drink the ground up pot. If you dont do that youde lose much, if not most, of the desired effect. It works like a charm. Rob
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Has anyone here tried marijuana for symptom control ? If you have – what were the effects ? Positive and negetive ? What form did you use ? Which was most and least effective ? Have you continued to use it ? I am 58 yr old female – trying to manage symptoms with less Rxs daily
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I do not want to break laws or get "high" This truely is a serious post …. Thank you
hi dove1, yes, i use medical MJ for symptom control, and have been regularly since the passage of california’s prop 215. as with other meds, it does affect some of us differently, but i’ll give you my personal experiences. in addition to spasticity, i have very painful muscle spasms, and hands-down, there’s NOTHING I’ve tried that works better for the spasms. it works to an extent with spasticity — i’d say approximately the same as valium or zanaflex, the anti-spasticity drugs the neuro prescribes. also in my own case, weight loss has been a problem, so i use MJ for appetite stimulation and as an anti-nausea agent, again very effective, but i realize that the munchies are not a desireable side effect for everyone! in my case it’s effective to a degree with neuropathic pain, but i must admit this is the one area where i’ve found prescription drugs to work better — i generally do a ‘combination treatment’ thing there, using cannabis as an adjunct. it relaxes me and helps with my quality of sleep — i don’t wake up with a ’stoned hangover’ feeling when using marijuana, while i DO wake up with that ‘hung over’ feeling when using prescription meds. in my case, it also has mood elevating effects, one of the things i like the best about medpot is that it does cover many symptoms all by itself, rather than having a pill for each separate one. i know some folks have trouble with paranoia — i actually analyzed this, LOL, and found that my ‘paranoia’ is the kind that stems from heightened senses — you hear a car door slam up the street, it sounds like it’s right out front, you jump and wonder who the hell is out there — look out the window, and see that the neighbor 4 doors down has just got home. once i realized this, it no longer ‘bothered’ me. for some people, possibly those predisposed in some way, the paranoia is much worse — unfortunately, i don’t really know any way to predict how it ight affect any given person — if you’ve had problems with paranoia and such previously, i would guess adding MJ would increase those feelings. i do use smoking as my primary method, because it seems much easier to ‘titrate’ the doses with inhaled cannabis. my lungs are ok, but i definitely understand many folks might not want to risk lung damage. i’ve also brewed it up into a traditional indian [hindu] drink called ‘bhang’ [it is the word that we get the word 'bong' from, LOL]. i have a recipe if you’re interested, but it makes use of an entire ounce of marijuana. i’ve also baked it in food — among stoners, it’s common to use the leaf to make brownies and such, but when i’ve made them, i used the buds rather than the leaves — BECAUSE I’m not looking for just a high, but for pain and spasticity relief, and the buds have a higher THC content than the leaf. the bad side effects, the only one for me is that smoking pot gets me high. since i’m retired and have no need to be regularly ‘on,’ it’s not such a problem for me, tho if i was still working, most likely i’d be using pot much less frequently and counting on less-effective prescription meds that don’t make me feel/act quite as goofy! i imagine the munchies would be an unwanted side effect for many, although in my case, it’s a benefit. if you live in an area with a medical use provision, there are folks on the NG who could help you with tips on how to grow your own plants, all you’ve gotta do is ask! :-
i’m a 41-year-old woman who’s had M.S. for 15 years. i didn’t even start using medpot till the prop 215 days — i was very much a ‘citizen’ at the time — and i’ve continued using it since. the benefits i receive from it — THE best muscle relaxer i’ve ever had, including prescription pills, and minus the tolerance and addiction issues. spasticity control — to a degree, and easier to find the line between too much spasticity and not enough spasticity when using cannabis than when using prescription pills. sleep aid — works very well, but if fatigue is a big issue for you, be prepared to get sleepy after a certain point. mood elevator — for me, yes. appetite stimulant — oh yeah, LOL, and as i said before, a good thing for me, but probably an unwanted side effect for many. ;-
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again, THE best i’ve ever found, including prescription compazine, whch i had after a case of food poisoning. the bad parts — smoking causes lung damage. this can be gotten around by using brewed or baked cannabis. i made some delicious chocolate chip canna-cookies, using a recipe from ‘the joy of cooking’ and just adding crumbled-up buds to the mix. smoking often makes me feel lazy and/or sleepy. if one is buying the weed, the strength will be variable — growing one’s own is my preference anyway. it gives me the munchies — i actually DO try to eat healthy stuff when i’m munching. for some folks whose paranoia gets kicked up in a way that goes beyond the heightened senses, it could be a problem, so use care if you’re inexperienced. that’s all i can think of off the top — if you have further questions or want more details, feel free to ask! not everyone in the NG is a medical user, but there are plenty of folks who are, and who are willing to share the knowledge. rose
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