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Should we see Santa Domingo or Casa de Campo?  We only have one day in port.  

Which port? And what are your interests? Altos de Chavon (the Heights above the Chavon River) is an imagination of the sort of village that Columbus might have left behind in Spain. It’s a bit artificial and kitchy for my taste but the views make it worth a trip. You catch the shuttle bus from the front door of the hotel and it takes you to the gate of the village. Don’t even think of walking it. But except for that, Casa de Campo is a 7,000 acre resort built for those who enjoy golf – its courses are famous – and tennis, horseback riding, etc. The CdC beach is a small gem but, let’s face it – it’s a beach, no more, no less. The DR has hundreds far better – but there is no beach at all in Santo Domingo where roughly 25% of the island’s 9 million live. My personal preference for a one day visit would be Santo Domingo. I was an editor of the Santo Domingo News amd lived in the DR for 3 and 1/2 years. I love cities and street theater. Not everyone does. The Zona Colonial can be covered in a day and has many art shops, decent restaurants and very interesting museums. The buildings are mostly authentic. The only real phony I know of is the alleged Columbus’ Place or Home – he was exiled and dead long before the original was built. There is little reason to believe that the current structure, built on the ruins of a large home bult by Diego Columbus (his son) , looks at all like the original. There are no records of what that original loooked like and the recent version is only about 70 years old. There are many friendly people there but be wary of the overly-friendly.  So-called guides and various street cons are too common. For an introduction to a street con that one might encounter there, a con that might happen in any city in the world, but did take place, as told, in SD’s Zona Colonial , read: The Santo Domngo Sting http://www.mycaribbean.info/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=43&s=99772b… CaribeJoe site: www.MyCaribbean.INFO free, non-commercoial forums: www.MyCaribbean.INF0/forums/index.php

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Should we see Santa Domingo or Casa de Campo?  We only have one day in port.  What about the Latin Reveiw in San Juan? Yours truly,     Jane

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Do Casa de Campo.  Santa Domingo is a LONG bus ride  JMO.

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I did the Santo Domingo Tour. It was very long. I enjoyed it because I like the old architecture and the cathedral. But if you aren’t particular interested in that , I would choose something else. Sean

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hould we see Santa Domingo or Casa de Campo?

If you enjoy history go to Santo Domingo. If you prefer the Beach go to Casa de Campo. Santo Domingo is a long bus ride but worth it if you enjoy a historical city.   Diane Giambalvo Travel Consultant GalaxSea Cruises And Tours East Brunswick, NJ 1-800-357-9393 http://www.galaxseaeb.com

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If you enjoy history go to Santo Domingo. If you prefer the Beach go to Casa de Campo. Santo Domingo is a long bus ride but worth it if you enjoy a historical city.

And as a tip, be sure to wear shorts that reach below the knee if you go to Santo Domingo.  As is the custom in Europe, you may be denied entry into the cathedral if your clothing is not deemed "appropriate." My wife’s family is actually from La Romana and on my first visit to Santo Domingo, the guards in front of the cathedral felt that my shorts were too short.  However, there was an enterprising young man who was willing to rent me a pair of pants so that I could go in.  Needless to say, I declined his offer. My mother-in-law tried to stick up for me by saying to the guards that the women who go in the cathedral wearing skin tight jeans and such were dressed much more inappropriately than I was, but they wouldn’t budge. As for Casa de Campo, the beach is beautiful.  Also, if you get the chance to see Altos de Chavon (a resort/artist retreat), the views are spectacular. If you want to see some pics from there, I can email them to you — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

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Should we see Santa Domingo or Casa de Campo?  We only have one day in port.  What about the Latin Reveiw in San Juan? Yours truly,     Jane

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Do Casa de Campo.  Santa Domingo is a LONG bus ride  JMO.

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I did the Santo Domingo Tour. It was very long. I enjoyed it because I like the old architecture and the cathedral. But if you aren’t particular interested in that , I would choose something else. Sean

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hould we see Santa Domingo or Casa de Campo?

If you enjoy history go to Santo Domingo. If you prefer the Beach go to Casa de Campo. Santo Domingo is a long bus ride but worth it if you enjoy a historical city.   Diane Giambalvo Travel Consultant GalaxSea Cruises And Tours East Brunswick, NJ 1-800-357-9393 http://www.galaxseaeb.com

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If you enjoy history go to Santo Domingo. If you prefer the Beach go to Casa de Campo. Santo Domingo is a long bus ride but worth it if you enjoy a historical city.

And as a tip, be sure to wear shorts that reach below the knee if you go to Santo Domingo.  As is the custom in Europe, you may be denied entry into the cathedral if your clothing is not deemed "appropriate." My wife’s family is actually from La Romana and on my first visit to Santo Domingo, the guards in front of the cathedral felt that my shorts were too short.  However, there was an enterprising young man who was willing to rent me a pair of pants so that I could go in.  Needless to say, I declined his offer. My mother-in-law tried to stick up for me by saying to the guards that the women who go in the cathedral wearing skin tight jeans and such were dressed much more inappropriately than I was, but they wouldn’t budge. As for Casa de Campo, the beach is beautiful.  Also, if you get the chance to see Altos de Chavon (a resort/artist retreat), the views are spectacular. If you want to see some pics from there, I can email them to you — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

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Should we see Santa Domingo or Casa de Campo?  We only have one day in port.  

Which port? And what are your interests? Altos de Chavon (the Heights above the Chavon River) is an imagination of the sort of village that Columbus might have left behind in Spain. It’s a bit artificial and kitchy for my taste but the views make it worth a trip. You catch the shuttle bus from the front door of the hotel and it takes you to the gate of the village. Don’t even think of walking it. But except for that, Casa de Campo is a 7,000 acre resort built for those who enjoy golf – its courses are famous – and tennis, horseback riding, etc. The CdC beach is a small gem but, let’s face it – it’s a beach, no more, no less. The DR has hundreds far better – but there is no beach at all in Santo Domingo where roughly 25% of the island’s 9 million live. My personal preference for a one day visit would be Santo Domingo. I was an editor of the Santo Domingo News amd lived in the DR for 3 and 1/2 years. I love cities and street theater. Not everyone does. The Zona Colonial can be covered in a day and has many art shops, decent restaurants and very interesting museums. The buildings are mostly authentic. The only real phony I know of is the alleged Columbus’ Place or Home – he was exiled and dead long before the original was built. There is little reason to believe that the current structure, built on the ruins of a large home bult by Diego Columbus (his son) , looks at all like the original. There are no records of what that original loooked like and the recent version is only about 70 years old. There are many friendly people there but be wary of the overly-friendly.  So-called guides and various street cons are too common. For an introduction to a street con that one might encounter there, a con that might happen in any city in the world, but did take place, as told, in SD’s Zona Colonial , read: The Santo Domngo Sting http://www.mycaribbean.info/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=43&s=99772b… CaribeJoe site: www.MyCaribbean.INFO free, non-commercoial forums: www.MyCaribbean.INF0/forums/index.php

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History Exam – OT

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d…@cheetah.net wrote:

You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) Well, Kathie, come and sit down with the Old Curmudgeon and let him tell ya how it works. Careful, Kathie, you might get ‘butted’ if you go into his circle. :-) Pullleeeeze! do not tip of the young lady. I am here to be supportive, the true meaning of ASMS.

I said I wasn’t old. I didn’t say I was born yesterday!  ;-) — Kathie

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Lynne wrote:

Oh, Kathie, … :-) I wish I had thought of that response.   – Lynne

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You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) — Kathie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:56:42 GMT, KT <adfa…@adfa.com

wrote: d…@cheetah.net wrote: You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) Well, Kathie, come and sit down with the Old Curmudgeon and let him tell ya how it works. Careful, Kathie, you might get ‘butted’ if you go into his circle. :-) Pullleeeeze! do not tip of the young lady. I am here to be supportive, the true meaning of ASMS. I said I wasn’t old. I didn’t say I was born yesterday!  ;-)

Ah my little flower, you mistake my intentions . . . Donn

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On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 05:58:18 GMT, KT <adfa…@adfa.com

wrote: Lynne wrote: Oh, Kathie, … :-) I wish I had thought of that response.   – Lynne How do you know you didn’t?  :-) Kathie

A thinking woman is always atractive to the Old Curmudgeons of the world. such a delight. Donn

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Maybe I did, … short term memory loss, you know.  <g

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wrote in message news:3E3B61FC.F4F29795@adfa.com… Lynne wrote: Oh, Kathie, … :-) I wish I had thought of that response.   – Lynne How do you know you didn’t?  :-) Kathie You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) — Kathie

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On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 00:21:45 -0600, "Lynne" <Lynne_Da…@baylor.edu

wrote: Maybe I did, … short term memory loss, you know.  <g  - Lynne

I am often aloud of my praise of a memory course I took 10 years ago to improve my retention of important facts, ‘er, was it 8 years ago to learn a method of memorizing things. Anyway, the class met twice a week, ‘er, was it once a week, for three months, it might have been two. Anyway, the teacher was one hell of an instructor. She always made the class interesting. Or was it a he. Oh, it’s not that important. At the time I was able to drive across town, or was it right here in my area. The price of the course was $250.00, or was it $25.00. Doesn’t matter. What really matters is, I improved my overall ability to memorize things the average person forgot. And the way I tested that was simple. I would ask the average person what it was he or she forgot. Once that was known, I would compare what they forgot and what I remembered. Of course those folks never knew what it was that they forgot or what I remembered. To make a long story short, I am signing up for the course set for this spring, or is it the summer, might be the fall. Nevertheless, one can never get too much training on the subject, whatever it was. Donn

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Perhaps you know someone who is… :) In article <3E3B2035.DB0C5…@adfa.com

, KT <adfa…@adfa.com wrote: d…@cheetah.net wrote: You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-)

— Take care, James http://www.geocities.com/hjbsam/theory.html

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"I remember it well." — Maurice Chavalier. Gaylan <d…@cheetah.net

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I am often aloud of my praise of a memory course I took 10 years ago to improve my retention of important facts, ‘er, was it 8 years ago to learn a method of memorizing things. Anyway, the class met twice a week, ‘er, was it once a week, for three months, it might have been two. Anyway, the teacher was one hell of an instructor. She always made the class interesting. Or was it a he. Oh, it’s not that important. At the time I was able to drive across town, or was it right here in my area. The price of the course was $250.00, or was it $25.00. Doesn’t matter. What really matters is, I improved my overall ability to memorize things the average person forgot. And the way I tested that was simple. I would ask the average person what it was he or she forgot. Once that was known, I would compare what they forgot and what I remembered. Of course those folks never knew what it was that they forgot or what I remembered. To make a long story short, I am signing up for the course set for this spring, or is it the summer, might be the fall. Nevertheless, one can never get too much training on the subject, whatever it was. Donn

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On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:19:07 -0400, "Gaylan" <gay…@attcanada.net

wrote: "I remember it well." — Maurice Chavalier. Gaylan

And don’t forget, "Thank heaven for little girls . . ." Donn

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d…@cheetah.net wrote:

Well, Kathie, come and sit down with the Old Curmudgeon and let him tell ya how it works. Careful, Kathie, you might get ‘butted’ if you go into his circle. :-) Pullleeeeze! do not tip of the young lady. I am here to be supportive, the true meaning of ASMS. I said I wasn’t old. I didn’t say I was born yesterday!  ;-) Ah my little flower, you mistake my intentions . . .

But did I mistake Joan’s warning?  ;-) — Kathie

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Lynne wrote:

Maybe I did, … short term memory loss, you know.  <g   – Lynne

I suppose the best answer here is "did what?"   ;-) Kathie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

Lynne wrote: Oh, Kathie, … :-) I wish I had thought of that response.   – Lynne How do you know you didn’t?  :-) Kathie

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You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:20:20 -0600, timmerma <timme…@brittonsd.com

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History Exam (Don’t peek at the answers ’til you try it) 1. In the 1940s, where were automobile headlight dimmer switches located? a. On the floor shift knob b. On the floor board, to the left of the clutch c. Next to the horn 2. The bottle top of a Royal Crown Cola bottle had holes in it. For what was it used? a. Capture lightning bugs b. To sprinkle clothes before ironing c. Large salt shaker 3. Why was having milk delivered a problem in northern winters? a. Cows got cold and wouldn’t produce milk b. Ice on highways forced delivery by dog sled c. Milkmen left deliveries outside of front doors and milk would freeze, expanding and pushing up the cardboard bottle top. 4. What was the popular chewing gum named for a game of chance? a. Blackjack b. Gin c. Craps! 5. What method did women use to look as if they were wearing stockings when none were available due to rationing during W.W.II? a. Suntan b. Leg painting c. Wearing slacks 6. What postwar car turned automotive design on its ear when you couldn’t tell whether it was coming or going? a. Studebaker b. Nash Metro c. Tucker 7. Which was a popular candy when you were a kid? a. Strips of dried peanut butter b. Chocolate licorice bars c. Wax coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water inside 8. How was Butch wax used? a. To stiffen a flat-top haircut so it stood up b. To make floors shiny and prevent scuffing c. On the wheels of roller skates to prevent rust 9. Before inline skates, how did you keep your roller skates attached to your shoes? a. With clamps, tightened by a skate key b. Woven straps that crossed the foot c. Long pieces of twine 10. As a kid, what was considered the best way to reach a decision? a. Consider all the facts b. Ask Mom c. Eeny-meeny-miney-mo 11. What was the most dreaded disease in the 1940’s? a. Smallpox b. AIDS c. Polio 12. "I’ll be down to get you in a ________, Honey" a. SUV b. Taxi c. Streetcar 13. What was the name of Caroline Kennedy’s pet pony? a. Old Blue b. Paint c. Macaroni 14. What was a Duck-and-Cover Drill? a. Part of the game of hide and seek b. What you did when your Mom called you in to do chores c. Hiding under your desk, and covering your head with your arms in an A-bomb drill 15. What was the name of the Indian Princess on the Howdy Doody show? a. Princess Summerfallwinterspring b. Princess Sacajewea c. Princess Moonshadow 16. What did all the really savvy students do when mimeographed tests were handed out in school? a. Immediately sniffed the purple ink, as this was believed to get you high b. Made paper airplanes to see who could sail theirs out the window c. Wrote another pupil’s name on the top, to avoid your failure. 17. Why did your Mom shop in stores that gave Green Stamps with purchases? a. To keep you out of mischief by licking the backs, which tasted like bubble gum. b. They could be put in special books and redeemed for various household items c. They were given to the kids to be used as stick-on tattoos. 18. Praise the Lord, and pass the _________? a. Meatballs b. Dames c. Ammunition 19. What was the name of the singing group that made the song "Cabdriver" a hit? a. The Ink Spots b. The Supremes c. The Esquires 20. Who left his heart in San Francisco? a. Tony Bennett b. Xavier Cugat c. George Gershwin ———————————————– ANSWERS 1. b) On the floor, to the left of the clutch. Hand controls, popular in Europe, took till the late ’60s to catch on. 2. b) To sprinkle clothes before ironing. Who had a steam iron? 3. c) Cold weather caused the milk to freeze and expand, popping the bottle top. 4. a) Blackjack Gum. 5. b) Special makeup was applied, followed by drawing a seam down the back of the leg with eyebrow pencil. 6. a) 1946 Studebaker. 7. c) Wax coke bottles containing super-sweet colored water. 8. a) Wax for your flat top (butch) haircut. 9. a) With clamps, tightened by a skate key, which you wore on a shoestring around your neck. 10. c) Eeny-meeny-miney-mo. 11. c) Polio. In beginning of August, swimming pools were closed, movies and other public gathering places were closed to try to prevent spread of the disease. 12. b) Taxi. Better be ready by half-past eight! 13. c) Macaroni. 14. c) Hiding under your desk, and covering your head with your arms in an A-bomb drill. 15. a) Princess Summerfallwinterspring. She was another puppet. 16. a) Immediately sniffed the purple ink to get a high. 17. b) Put in a special stamp book, they could be traded for household items at the Green Stamp store. 18. c) Ammunition, and we’ll all be free. 19. a) The all male, all black group: The Inkspots. 20. a) Tony Bennett, and he sounds just as good today.      Scoring the history exam 17- 20 correct: You are not only older than dirt, but obviously gifted with mind bloat. Now if you could only find your glasses. Definitely a GEEZER! 12 -16 correct: Not quite dirt yet, but your mind is definitely muddy. 0 -11 correct: You are a sad excuse for a geezer or you are younger than springtime! Bill Timmerman

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Sadly, Kathie, I don’t have MS.  So, … <sob

  – Lynne "KT" <adfa…@adfa.com> wrote in message news:3E3DA372.892206C@adfa.com… > Lynne wrote: > > You, too?  <g

> >   – Lynne > I blame the MS. My neurologist says it’s age. I’d rather it be the > MS, I think.  :-) > Kathie > > "KT" <adfa…@adfa.com> wrote in message

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> > > >   – Lynne > > > I suppose the best answer here is "did what?"   ;-) > > > Kathie > > > > > Lynne wrote: > > > > > > Oh, Kathie, … :-) > > > > > > I wish I had thought of that response. > > > > > >   – Lynne > > > > > How do you know you didn’t?  :-) > > > > > Kathie

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James wrote:

Perhaps you know someone who is… :) You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-)

Everybody "is" [I think, therefore I am]   :-) — Kathie

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You, too?  <g

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> >   – Lynne > I suppose the best answer here is "did what?"   ;-) > Kathie > > > Lynne wrote: > > > > Oh, Kathie, … :-) > > > > I wish I had thought of that response. > > > >   – Lynne > > > How do you know you didn’t?  :-) > > > Kathie

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Lynne wrote:

You, too?  <g   – Lynne

I blame the MS. My neurologist says it’s age. I’d rather it be the MS, I think.  :-) Kathie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -

"KT" <adfa…@adfa.com wrote in message news:3E3D60A9.ABD2FB08@adfa.com… Lynne wrote: Maybe I did, … short term memory loss, you know.  <g   – Lynne I suppose the best answer here is "did what?"   ;-) Kathie Lynne wrote: Oh, Kathie, … :-) I wish I had thought of that response.   – Lynne How do you know you didn’t?  :-) Kathie

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wrote in message news:3E3B2035.DB0C51EC@adfa.com… d…@cheetah.net wrote: You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) — Kathie

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<huge grin

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On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 01:17:39 GMT, KT <adfa…@adfa.com wrote: d…@cheetah.net wrote: You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) Well, Kathie, come and sit down with the Old Curmudgeon and let him tell ya how it works. Donn

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d…@cheetah.net wrote:

You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn

How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) — Kathie

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On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 01:17:39 GMT, KT <adfa…@adfa.com

wrote: d…@cheetah.net wrote: You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-)

Well, Kathie, come and sit down with the Old Curmudgeon and let him tell ya how it works. Donn

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On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 01:17:39 GMT, KT <adfa…@adfa.com wrote: d…@cheetah.net wrote: You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) Well, Kathie, come and sit down with the Old Curmudgeon and let him tell ya how it works. Donn

Careful, Kathie, you might get ‘butted’ if you go into his circle. :-) — Joan Tom Hennessy (ironjustice aka watchman) on: Message IDs follow. Loon – Pine.BSI.3.92.960506174611.1918A-100…@nucleus.com Police – 3b6af48…@news.nucleus.com Nobel prize – 20021214180459.28328.00000…@mb-fo.aol.com

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wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:29:02 -0800, d…@cheetah.net wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: On Sat, 01 Feb 2003 01:17:39 GMT, KT <adfa…@adfa.com wrote: d…@cheetah.net wrote: You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn How did that happen? _I_ knew all the answers and I’m not …  ;-) Well, Kathie, come and sit down with the Old Curmudgeon and let him tell ya how it works. Donn Careful, Kathie, you might get ‘butted’ if you go into his circle. :-) — Joan

Pullleeeeze! do not tip of the young lady. I am here to be supportive, the true meaning of ASMS. Donn

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I bow to you. I missed the one about the auto going or coming, … and we actually HAD a Studebaker, LOL!  (I thought the answer was the Metropolitan.) BTW, I really do miss the mimeographed tests, … they smelled really good. :-)   – Lynne <d…@cheetah.net

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You know you’re old when you know all – ALL! – the answers. I am old. Donn On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 15:20:20 -0600, timmerma <timme…@brittonsd.com wrote: History Exam (Don’t peek at the answers ’til you try it) 1. In the 1940s, where were automobile headlight dimmer switches located? a. On the floor shift knob b. On the floor board, to the left of the clutch c. Next to the horn 2. The bottle top of a Royal Crown Cola bottle had holes in it. For what was it used? a. Capture lightning bugs b. To sprinkle clothes before ironing c. Large salt shaker 3. Why was having milk delivered a problem in northern winters? a. Cows got cold and wouldn’t produce milk b. Ice on highways forced delivery by dog sled c. Milkmen left deliveries outside of front doors and milk would freeze, expanding and pushing up the cardboard bottle top. 4. What was the popular chewing gum named for a game of chance? a. Blackjack b. Gin c. Craps! 5. What method did women use to look as if they were wearing stockings when none were available due to rationing during W.W.II? a. Suntan b. Leg painting c. Wearing slacks 6. What postwar car turned automotive design on its ear when you couldn’t tell whether it was coming or going? a. Studebaker b. Nash Metro c. Tucker 7. Which was a popular candy when you were a kid? a. Strips of dried peanut butter b. Chocolate licorice bars c. Wax coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water inside 8. How was Butch wax used? a. To stiffen a flat-top haircut so it stood up b. To make floors shiny and prevent scuffing c. On the wheels of roller skates to prevent rust 9. Before inline skates, how did you keep your roller skates attached to your shoes? a. With clamps, tightened by a skate key b. Woven straps that crossed the foot c. Long pieces of twine 10. As a kid, what was considered the best way to reach a decision? a. Consider all the facts b. Ask Mom c. Eeny-meeny-miney-mo 11. What was the most dreaded disease in the 1940’s? a. Smallpox b. AIDS c. Polio 12. "I’ll be down to get you in a ________, Honey" a. SUV b. Taxi c. Streetcar 13. What was the name of Caroline Kennedy’s pet pony? a. Old Blue b. Paint c. Macaroni 14. What was a Duck-and-Cover Drill? a. Part of the game of hide and seek b. What you did when your Mom called you in to do chores c. Hiding under your desk, and covering your head with your arms in an A-bomb drill 15. What was the name of the Indian Princess on the Howdy Doody show? a. Princess Summerfallwinterspring b. Princess Sacajewea c. Princess Moonshadow 16. What did all the really savvy students do when mimeographed tests were handed out in school? a. Immediately sniffed the purple ink, as this was believed to get you high b. Made paper airplanes to see who could sail theirs out the window c. Wrote another pupil’s name on the top, to avoid your failure. 17. Why did your Mom shop in stores that gave Green Stamps with purchases? a. To keep you out of mischief by licking the backs, which tasted like bubble gum. b. They could be put in special books and redeemed for various household items c. They were given to the kids to be used as stick-on tattoos. 18. Praise the Lord, and pass the _________? a. Meatballs b. Dames c. Ammunition 19. What was the name of the singing group that made the song "Cabdriver" a hit? a. The Ink Spots b. The Supremes c. The Esquires 20. Who left his heart in San Francisco? a. Tony Bennett b. Xavier Cugat c. George Gershwin ———————————————– ANSWERS 1. b) On the floor, to the left of the clutch. Hand controls, popular in Europe, took till the late ’60s to catch on. 2. b) To sprinkle clothes before ironing. Who had a steam iron? 3. c) Cold weather caused the milk to freeze and expand, popping the bottle top. 4. a) Blackjack Gum. 5. b) Special makeup was applied, followed by drawing a seam down the back of the leg with eyebrow pencil. 6. a) 1946 Studebaker. 7. c) Wax coke bottles containing super-sweet colored water. 8. a) Wax for your flat top (butch) haircut. 9. a) With clamps, tightened by a skate key, which you wore on a shoestring around your neck. 10. c) Eeny-meeny-miney-mo. 11. c) Polio. In beginning of August, swimming pools were closed, movies and other public gathering places were closed to try to prevent spread of the disease. 12. b) Taxi. Better be ready by half-past eight! 13. c) Macaroni. 14. c) Hiding under your desk, and covering your head with your arms in an A-bomb drill. 15. a) Princess Summerfallwinterspring. She was another puppet. 16. a) Immediately sniffed the purple ink to get a high. 17. b) Put in a special stamp book, they could be traded for household items at the Green Stamp store. 18. c) Ammunition, and we’ll all be free. 19. a) The all male, all black group: The Inkspots. 20. a) Tony Bennett, and he sounds just as good today.      Scoring the history exam 17- 20 correct: You are not only older than dirt, but obviously gifted with mind bloat. Now if you could only find your glasses. Definitely a GEEZER! 12 -16 correct: Not quite dirt yet, but your mind is definitely muddy. 0 -11 correct: You are a sad excuse for a geezer or you are younger than springtime! Bill Timmerman

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That’s Geezerette.   – Lynne "timmerma" <timme…@brittonsd.com

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History Exam (Don’t peek at the answers ’til you try it) 1. In the 1940s, where were automobile headlight dimmer switches located? a. On the floor shift knob b. On the floor board, to the left of the clutch c. Next to the horn 2. The bottle top of a Royal Crown Cola bottle had holes in it. For what was it used? a. Capture lightning bugs b. To sprinkle clothes before ironing c. Large salt shaker 3. Why was having milk delivered a problem in northern winters? a. Cows got cold and wouldn’t produce milk b. Ice on highways forced delivery by dog sled c. Milkmen left deliveries outside of front doors and milk would freeze, expanding and pushing up the cardboard bottle top. 4. What was the popular chewing gum named for a game of chance? a. Blackjack b. Gin c. Craps! 5. What method did women use to look as if they were wearing stockings when none were available due to rationing during W.W.II? a. Suntan b. Leg painting c. Wearing slacks 6. What postwar car turned automotive design on its ear when you couldn’t tell whether it was coming or going? a. Studebaker b. Nash Metro c. Tucker 7. Which was a popular candy when you were a kid? a. Strips of dried peanut butter b. Chocolate licorice bars c. Wax coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water inside 8. How was Butch wax used? a. To stiffen a flat-top haircut so it stood up b. To make floors shiny and prevent scuffing c. On the wheels of roller skates to prevent rust 9. Before inline skates, how did you keep your roller skates attached to your shoes? a. With clamps, tightened by a skate key b. Woven straps that crossed the foot c. Long pieces of twine 10. As a kid, what was considered the best way to reach a decision? a. Consider all the facts b. Ask Mom c. Eeny-meeny-miney-mo 11. What was the most dreaded disease in the 1940’s? a. Smallpox b. AIDS c. Polio 12. "I’ll be down to get you in a ________, Honey" a. SUV b. Taxi c. Streetcar 13. What was the name of Caroline Kennedy’s pet pony? a. Old Blue b. Paint c. Macaroni 14. What was a Duck-and-Cover Drill? a. Part of the game of hide and seek b. What you did when your Mom called you in to do chores c. Hiding under your desk, and covering your head with your arms in an A-bomb drill 15. What was the name of the Indian Princess on the Howdy Doody show? a. Princess Summerfallwinterspring b. Princess Sacajewea c. Princess Moonshadow 16. What did all the really savvy students do when mimeographed tests were handed out in school? a. Immediately sniffed the purple ink, as this was believed to get you high b. Made paper airplanes to see who could sail theirs out the window c. Wrote another pupil’s name on the top, to avoid your failure. 17. Why did your Mom shop in stores that gave Green Stamps with purchases? a. To keep you out of mischief by licking the backs, which tasted like bubble gum. b. They could be put in special books and redeemed for various household items c. They were given to the kids to be used as stick-on tattoos. 18. Praise the Lord, and pass the _________? a. Meatballs b. Dames c. Ammunition 19. What was the name of the singing group that made the song "Cabdriver" a hit? a. The Ink Spots b. The Supremes c. The Esquires 20. Who left his heart in San Francisco? a. Tony Bennett b. Xavier Cugat c. George Gershwin ———————————————– ANSWERS 1. b) On the floor, to the left of the clutch. Hand controls, popular in Europe, took till the late ’60s to catch on. 2. b) To sprinkle clothes before ironing. Who had a steam iron? 3. c) Cold weather caused the milk to freeze and expand, popping the bottle top. 4. a) Blackjack Gum. 5. b) Special makeup was applied, followed by drawing a seam down the back of the leg with eyebrow pencil. 6. a) 1946 Studebaker. 7. c) Wax coke bottles containing super-sweet colored water. 8. a) Wax for your flat top (butch) haircut. 9. a) With clamps, tightened by a skate key, which you wore on a shoestring around your neck. 10. c) Eeny-meeny-miney-mo. 11. c) Polio. In beginning of August, swimming pools were closed, movies and other public gathering places were closed to try to prevent spread of the disease. 12. b) Taxi. Better be ready by half-past eight! 13. c) Macaroni. 14. c) Hiding under your desk, and covering your head with your arms in an A-bomb drill. 15. a) Princess Summerfallwinterspring. She was another puppet. 16. a) Immediately sniffed the purple ink to get a high. 17. b) Put in a special stamp book, they could be traded for household items at the Green Stamp store. 18. c) Ammunition, and we’ll all be free. 19. a) The all male, all black group: The Inkspots. 20. a) Tony Bennett, and he sounds just as good today.       Scoring the history exam 17- 20 correct: You are not only older than dirt, but obviously gifted with mind bloat. Now if you could only find your glasses. Definitely a GEEZER! 12 -16 correct: Not quite dirt yet, but your mind is definitely muddy. 0 -11 correct: You are a sad excuse for a geezer or you are younger than springtime! Bill Timmerman

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History Exam (Don’t peek at the answers ’til you try it) 1. In the 1940s, where were automobile headlight dimmer switches located? a. On the floor shift knob b. On the floor board, to the left of the clutch c. Next to the horn 2. The bottle top of a Royal Crown Cola bottle had holes in it. For what was it used? a. Capture lightning bugs b. To sprinkle clothes before ironing c. Large salt shaker 3. Why was having milk delivered a problem in northern winters? a. Cows got cold and wouldn’t produce milk b. Ice on highways forced delivery by dog sled c. Milkmen left deliveries outside of front doors and milk would freeze, expanding and pushing up the cardboard bottle top. 4. What was the popular chewing gum named for a game of chance? a. Blackjack b. Gin c. Craps! 5. What method did women use to look as if they were wearing stockings when none were available due to rationing during W.W.II? a. Suntan b. Leg painting c. Wearing slacks 6. What postwar car turned automotive design on its ear when you couldn’t tell whether it was coming or going? a. Studebaker b. Nash Metro c. Tucker 7. Which was a popular candy when you were a kid? a. Strips of dried peanut butter b. Chocolate licorice bars c. Wax coke-shaped bottles with colored sugar water inside 8. How was Butch wax used? a. To stiffen a flat-top haircut so it stood up b. To make floors shiny and prevent scuffing c. On the wheels of roller skates to prevent rust 9. Before inline skates, how did you keep your roller skates attached to your shoes? a. With clamps, tightened by a skate key b. Woven straps that crossed the foot c. Long pieces of twine 10. As a kid, what was considered the best way to reach a decision? a. Consider all the facts b. Ask Mom c. Eeny-meeny-miney-mo 11. What was the most dreaded disease in the 1940’s? a. Smallpox b. AIDS c. Polio 12. "I’ll be down to get you in a ________, Honey" a. SUV b. Taxi c. Streetcar 13. What was the name of Caroline Kennedy’s pet pony? a. Old Blue b. Paint c. Macaroni 14. What was a Duck-and-Cover Drill? a. Part of the game of hide and seek b. What you did when your Mom called you in to do chores c. Hiding under your desk, and covering your head with your arms in an A-bomb drill 15. What was the name of the Indian Princess on the Howdy Doody show? a. Princess Summerfallwinterspring b. Princess Sacajewea c. Princess Moonshadow 16. What did all the really savvy students do when mimeographed tests were handed out in school? a. Immediately sniffed the purple ink, as this was believed to get you high b. Made paper airplanes to see who could sail theirs out the window c. Wrote another pupil’s name on the top, to avoid your failure. 17. Why did your Mom shop in stores that gave Green Stamps with purchases? a. To keep you out of mischief by licking the backs, which tasted like bubble gum. b. They could be put in special books and redeemed for various household items c. They were given to the kids to be used as stick-on tattoos. 18. Praise the Lord, and pass the _________? a. Meatballs b. Dames c. Ammunition 19. What was the name of the singing group that made the song "Cabdriver" a hit? a. The Ink Spots b. The Supremes c. The Esquires 20. Who left his heart in San Francisco? a. Tony Bennett b. Xavier Cugat c. George Gershwin ———————————————– ANSWERS 1. b) On the floor, to the left of the clutch. Hand controls, popular in Europe, took till the late ’60s to catch on. 2. b) To sprinkle clothes before ironing. Who had a steam iron? 3. c) Cold weather caused the milk to freeze and expand, popping the bottle top. 4. a) Blackjack Gum. 5. b) Special makeup was applied, followed by drawing a seam down the back of the leg with eyebrow pencil. 6. a) 1946 Studebaker. 7. c) Wax coke bottles containing super-sweet colored water. 8. a) Wax for your flat top (butch) haircut. 9. a) With clamps, tightened by a skate key, which you wore on a shoestring around your neck. 10. c) Eeny-meeny-miney-mo. 11. c) Polio. In beginning of August, swimming pools were closed, movies and other public gathering places were closed to try to prevent spread of the disease. 12. b) Taxi. Better be ready by half-past eight! 13. c) Macaroni. 14. c) Hiding under your desk, and covering your head with your arms in an A-bomb drill. 15. a) Princess Summerfallwinterspring. She was another puppet. 16. a) Immediately sniffed the purple ink to get a high. 17. b) Put in a special stamp book, they could be traded for household items at the Green Stamp store. 18. c) Ammunition, and we’ll all be free. 19. a) The all male, all black group: The Inkspots. 20. a) Tony Bennett, and he sounds just as good today.       Scoring the history exam 17- 20 correct: You are not only older than dirt, but obviously gifted with mind bloat. Now if you could only find your glasses. Definitely a GEEZER! 12 -16 correct: Not quite dirt yet, but your mind is definitely muddy. 0 -11 correct: You are a sad excuse for a geezer or you are younger than springtime! Bill Timmerman

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Casa Del Campo

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Looking for info on this port.  Any suggestions for excursions, nice beaches, motorized water toys, etc. Thanks…

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I just stayed at Casa de Campo (land vacation), but did check out  the town of  La Ramana.  While I didn’t go to the port area, the city (and it is big, I heard it was upwards toward 100,000 people) is not typical of a Caribbean island like St. Thomas or Cozumel. I would suggest taking the excursion to Casa.. there is a beautiful beach there complete with toys.  I didn’t inquire as to the prices. Play golf if you can afford it…..both courses, The Links and The Teeth of the Dog are gorgeous; The Teeth is on the Top 500 Worldwide. Jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on this port.  Any suggestions for excursions, nice beaches, motorized water toys, etc. Thanks…

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I just stayed at Casa de Campo (land vacation), but did check out  the town of  La Ramana.

The town is called La Romana.  My wife’s family lives across the street from the church in the center of town.  They also own a housewares store around the corner from there. As for tourist attractions, the artist retreat/resort called Altos de Chavon offers spectacular views of the Chavon river.  Not a bad place to spend an afternoon if an excursion is offered that will take you there.  If you want to see some pics, I can email them to you directly. Casa de Campo has a beautiful beach.  There is also a beach called Bayahive, which is about 20 minutes away.  Bayahive is my favorite due to a little open air restaurant right on the beach where we ate $15 lobster and drank $1.50 Presidente beer (the local brew). — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just stayed at Casa de Campo (land vacation), but did check out  the town of  La Ramana.  While I didn’t go to the port area, the city (and it is big, I heard it was upwards toward 100,000 people) is not typical of a Caribbean island like St. Thomas or Cozumel. I would suggest taking the excursion to Casa.. there is a beautiful beach there complete with toys.  I didn’t inquire as to the prices. Play golf if you can afford it…..both courses, The Links and The Teeth of the Dog are gorgeous; The Teeth is on the Top 500 Worldwide. Jean Looking for info on this port.  Any suggestions for excursions, nice beaches, motorized water toys, etc. Thanks…

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Looking for info on this port.  Any suggestions for excursions, nice beaches, motorized water toys, etc. Thanks…

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I just stayed at Casa de Campo (land vacation), but did check out  the town of  La Ramana.  While I didn’t go to the port area, the city (and it is big, I heard it was upwards toward 100,000 people) is not typical of a Caribbean island like St. Thomas or Cozumel. I would suggest taking the excursion to Casa.. there is a beautiful beach there complete with toys.  I didn’t inquire as to the prices. Play golf if you can afford it…..both courses, The Links and The Teeth of the Dog are gorgeous; The Teeth is on the Top 500 Worldwide. Jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on this port.  Any suggestions for excursions, nice beaches, motorized water toys, etc. Thanks…

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I just stayed at Casa de Campo (land vacation), but did check out  the town of  La Ramana.

The town is called La Romana.  My wife’s family lives across the street from the church in the center of town.  They also own a housewares store around the corner from there. As for tourist attractions, the artist retreat/resort called Altos de Chavon offers spectacular views of the Chavon river.  Not a bad place to spend an afternoon if an excursion is offered that will take you there.  If you want to see some pics, I can email them to you directly. Casa de Campo has a beautiful beach.  There is also a beach called Bayahive, which is about 20 minutes away.  Bayahive is my favorite due to a little open air restaurant right on the beach where we ate $15 lobster and drank $1.50 Presidente beer (the local brew). — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just stayed at Casa de Campo (land vacation), but did check out  the town of  La Ramana.  While I didn’t go to the port area, the city (and it is big, I heard it was upwards toward 100,000 people) is not typical of a Caribbean island like St. Thomas or Cozumel. I would suggest taking the excursion to Casa.. there is a beautiful beach there complete with toys.  I didn’t inquire as to the prices. Play golf if you can afford it…..both courses, The Links and The Teeth of the Dog are gorgeous; The Teeth is on the Top 500 Worldwide. Jean Looking for info on this port.  Any suggestions for excursions, nice beaches, motorized water toys, etc. Thanks…

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Improvements to Philadelphia Cruise Terminal

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S. Phila. Cruise Terminal Gets $3M Upgrade by KYW’s Ed Kasuba The Port Authority is spending $3 million to spruce up the cruise ship terminal in South Philadelphia. By September, a "Head House" will be in place, containing escalators and elevators, making it easier for passengers to get to the elevated walkway which gets you on board the ship. My Linh Nguyen of the Port Authority says Philadelphia needs to be competitive with terminals in New York and Baltimore: "Anything we can do to top our competitors and woo the cruise lines to us is something we need to do to generate business out of the Philadelphia cruise terminal. And it does give our cruise passengers exactly what they are expecting." Business is up — 16 cruises will leave from Philadelphia this year, most going to Bermuda. — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

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Um, all of this depends on the current mayor of Philadelphia being re-elected.  John Street only won by a little bit, and he will be challenged next time by the same guy that he almost lost to last time. — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – S. Phila. Cruise Terminal Gets $3M Upgrade by KYW’s Ed Kasuba The Port Authority is spending $3 million to spruce up the cruise ship terminal in South Philadelphia. By September, a "Head House" will be in place, containing escalators and elevators, making it easier for passengers to get to the elevated walkway which gets you on board the ship. My Linh Nguyen of the Port Authority says Philadelphia needs to be competitive with terminals in New York and Baltimore: "Anything we can do to top our competitors and woo the cruise lines to us is something we need to do to generate business out of the Philadelphia cruise terminal. And it does give our cruise passengers exactly what they are expecting." Business is up — 16 cruises will leave from Philadelphia this year, most going to Bermuda. — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

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Um, all of this depends on the current mayor of Philadelphia being re-elected.

— Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um, all of this depends on the current mayor of Philadelphia being re-elected.  John Street only won by a little bit, and he will be challenged next time by the same guy that he almost lost to last time. — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ S. Phila. Cruise Terminal Gets $3M Upgrade by KYW’s Ed Kasuba The Port Authority is spending $3 million to spruce up the cruise ship terminal in South Philadelphia. By September, a "Head House" will be in place, containing escalators and elevators, making it easier for passengers to get to the elevated walkway which gets you on board the ship. My Linh Nguyen of the Port Authority says Philadelphia needs to be competitive with terminals in New York and Baltimore: "Anything we can do to top our competitors and woo the cruise lines to us is something we need to do to generate business out of the Philadelphia cruise terminal. And it does give our cruise passengers exactly what they are expecting." Business is up — 16 cruises will leave from Philadelphia this year, most going to Bermuda. — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

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S. Phila. Cruise Terminal Gets $3M Upgrade by KYW’s Ed Kasuba The Port Authority is spending $3 million to spruce up the cruise ship terminal in South Philadelphia. By September, a "Head House" will be in place, containing escalators and elevators, making it easier for passengers to get to the elevated walkway which gets you on board the ship. My Linh Nguyen of the Port Authority says Philadelphia needs to be competitive with terminals in New York and Baltimore: "Anything we can do to top our competitors and woo the cruise lines to us is something we need to do to generate business out of the Philadelphia cruise terminal. And it does give our cruise passengers exactly what they are expecting." Business is up — 16 cruises will leave from Philadelphia this year, most going to Bermuda. — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

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Um, all of this depends on the current mayor of Philadelphia being re-elected.  John Street only won by a little bit, and he will be challenged next time by the same guy that he almost lost to last time. — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – S. Phila. Cruise Terminal Gets $3M Upgrade by KYW’s Ed Kasuba The Port Authority is spending $3 million to spruce up the cruise ship terminal in South Philadelphia. By September, a "Head House" will be in place, containing escalators and elevators, making it easier for passengers to get to the elevated walkway which gets you on board the ship. My Linh Nguyen of the Port Authority says Philadelphia needs to be competitive with terminals in New York and Baltimore: "Anything we can do to top our competitors and woo the cruise lines to us is something we need to do to generate business out of the Philadelphia cruise terminal. And it does give our cruise passengers exactly what they are expecting." Business is up — 16 cruises will leave from Philadelphia this year, most going to Bermuda. — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

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Um, all of this depends on the current mayor of Philadelphia being re-elected.

— Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um, all of this depends on the current mayor of Philadelphia being re-elected.  John Street only won by a little bit, and he will be challenged next time by the same guy that he almost lost to last time. — DG in Cherry Hill, NJ S. Phila. Cruise Terminal Gets $3M Upgrade by KYW’s Ed Kasuba The Port Authority is spending $3 million to spruce up the cruise ship terminal in South Philadelphia. By September, a "Head House" will be in place, containing escalators and elevators, making it easier for passengers to get to the elevated walkway which gets you on board the ship. My Linh Nguyen of the Port Authority says Philadelphia needs to be competitive with terminals in New York and Baltimore: "Anything we can do to top our competitors and woo the cruise lines to us is something we need to do to generate business out of the Philadelphia cruise terminal. And it does give our cruise passengers exactly what they are expecting." Business is up — 16 cruises will leave from Philadelphia this year, most going to Bermuda. — Ray "Captain Jack will get you high tonight And take you to your special island Captain Jack will get you by tonight Just a little push and you’ll be smilin’." Billy Joel – Captain Jack

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Intoxicating Chemicals in some wines like Dandalion

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FWIW, I’ve found that when fermenting toads, you *DEFINITELY* want to do the primary fermentation in a carboy, rather than a plastic bucket.  Otherwise, they just jump right out when you try to press down the pomace.

Dave, you remind me too well of why I love this ng.  Thanks…. Jack Keller, The Winemaking Home Page http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/

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Someone told me that there are natural chemicals, other than alcohol, that are produced in certain wines, which give an amplification to the intoxicating effect. Knowing that there are substances which are naturally produced by some yeasts, fermenting at certain temperatures, which aid in constricting the blood flow to the capillaries in the brain, thus producing a hangover effect, I am open to the possibility of  chemicals producing excess intoxification. I am not a chemist, so I am asking the gurus in this group if there is a possibility of this subject being true. Thanks, Larry P

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Larry, back in the ’60s people infused morning glory seeds, smoked dried banana peels, and licked toads in futile attemps to get high. People have been making wine for so long that if there were any "super-intoxicating" recipes out there we would have all heard about them long ago.  The only two wines I have ever heard of that qualify as "super-intoxicating" are wines made from marijuana and/or cocoa leaves, but I don’t advise anyone to go there. Final comment:  Among the hundreds of people I know who make their own wine, I can’t think of a single one who makes and drinks wine to get intoxicated.  If you drink to get intoxicated, there are far stronger beverages out there than wine that will do the job quicker and with far less ingestion. Jack Keller, The Winemaking Home Page http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Larry, back in the ’60s people infused morning glory seeds, smoked dried banana peels, and licked toads in futile attemps to get high. Actually morning glory seeds and toads can get you high, if they don’t cause you to barf up your guts first.  They both are documented to contain neuroactive substances, lysergic acid derivatives in the case of morning glory seeds and a subtance called "bufotenine" (sp) in toads that is closely related to certain neurotransmitters.  They also contain lots of other toxic stuff that can make someone good and sick (BTW, the general reason that some plants and animals contain substances like these is that these substances are, in fact, poisons that act on the nervous system.  It’s just one that some people develop a taste for these sort of things.  Insects and other creatures that eat seeds, and any animal that would ever try to eat a toad, apparently feel differently on the subject…).  As far as bananas go, I think that one *was* an urban myth. Now to the question at hand, I’ve never heard about anything in dandelions, or for that matter anything normally used in making wine.  And if you plan on making "toad and morning glory wine" I *DO NOT* want to hear about it… ;-) –arne

FWIW, I’ve found that when fermenting toads, you *DEFINITELY* want to do the primary fermentation in a carboy, rather than a plastic bucket.  Otherwise, they just jump right out when you try to press down the pomace. Dave

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I’m not sure if this is what Larry meant, but it is certainly the feel I get from his post.

Could be, Led.  Indeed, you’re probably right.  My reading was probably too literal. Jack Keller, The Winemaking Home Page http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/

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Thanks everyone!! Larry P – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Larry, back in the ’60s people infused morning glory seeds, smoked dried banana peels, and licked toads in futile attemps to get high. Actually morning glory seeds and toads can get you high, if they don’t cause you to barf up your guts first.  They both are documented to contain neuroactive substances, lysergic acid derivatives in the case of morning glory seeds and a subtance called "bufotenine" (sp) in toads that is closely related to certain neurotransmitters.  They also contain lots of other toxic stuff that can make someone good and sick (BTW, the general reason that some plants and animals contain substances like these is that these substances are, in fact, poisons that act on the nervous system.  It’s just one that some people develop a taste for these sort of things.  Insects and other creatures that eat seeds, and any animal that would ever try to eat a toad, apparently feel differently on the subject…).  As far as bananas go, I think that one *was* an urban myth. Now to the question at hand, I’ve never heard about anything in dandelions, or for that matter anything normally used in making wine.  And if you plan on making "toad and morning glory wine" I *DO NOT* want to hear about it… ;-) –arne

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Larry, back in the ’60s people infused morning glory seeds, smoked dried banana peels, and licked toads in futile attemps to get high.

Actually morning glory seeds and toads can get you high, if they don’t cause you to barf up your guts first.  They both are documented to contain neuroactive substances, lysergic acid derivatives in the case of morning glory seeds and a subtance called "bufotenine" (sp) in toads that is closely related to certain neurotransmitters.  They also contain lots of other toxic stuff that can make someone good and sick (BTW, the general reason that some plants and animals contain substances like these is that these substances are, in fact, poisons that act on the nervous system.  It’s just one that some people develop a taste for these sort of things.  Insects and other creatures that eat seeds, and any animal that would ever try to eat a toad, apparently feel differently on the subject…).  As far as bananas go, I think that one *was* an urban myth. Now to the question at hand, I’ve never heard about anything in dandelions, or for that matter anything normally used in making wine.  And if you plan on making "toad and morning glory wine" I *DO NOT* want to hear about it… ;-) –arne

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Larry, back in the ’60s people infused morning glory seeds, smoked dried banana peels, and licked toads in futile attemps to get high. People have been making wine for so long that if there were any "super-intoxicating" recipes out there we would have all heard about them long ago.  The only two wines I have ever heard of that qualify as "super-intoxicating" are wines made from marijuana and/or cocoa leaves, but I don’t advise anyone to go there.

With great trepidation, and acknowleding Jack’s knowledge of the subject… Isn’t this really a question about congeners, usually the taste and smell components of most wines, which are believed to have an effect on how we feel "after the event", as well as during it?  Even modest doses of some alcoholic products can produce disproportionate morning after effects, suggesting that there is a difference between the effects of the product. I’m not sure if this is what Larry meant, but it is certainly the feel I get from his post. Cheers Led

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Larry, back in the ’60s people infused morning glory seeds, smoked dried banana peels, and licked toads in futile attemps to get high. People have been making wine for so long that if there were any "super-intoxicating" recipes out there we would have all heard about them long ago.  The only two wines I have ever heard of that qualify as "super-intoxicating" are wines made from marijuana and/or cocoa leaves, but I don’t advise anyone to go there. With great trepidation, and acknowleding Jack’s knowledge of the subject… Isn’t this really a question about congeners, usually the taste and smell components of most wines, which are believed to have an effect on how we feel "after the event", as well as during it?  Even modest doses of some alcoholic products can produce disproportionate morning after effects, suggesting that there is a difference between the effects of the product. I’m not sure if this is what Larry meant, but it is certainly the feel I get from his post.

I wonder if he’s not thinking about absinthe. Absinthe allegedly has a number of ingredients contributing to its intoxicating effects, including the herb wormword. Whether or not this was true is apparently a matter of some debate. However, absinthe was between 50 and 75% alcohol, which without a doubt had a large effect on anybody who drank more than a glass or two of the stuff. I’m sure it’s possible that you could make a wine with unforeseen intoxicating or just plain toxic effects. You’re just not going to get them with any of the wine recipes I’ve seen, unless you add medicinal herbs to your wines. Or you ignore Jack Keller’s advice about positively identifying wild plants before you use them. [Or your ingredients are contaminated with mercury or other heavy materials, which is pretty unlikely.]

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guitar pickups

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have an Epiphone LesPaul Standard and a Marshall JCM900+4×12Marshall Box. But even though it’s a pretty standard setup, I don’t like the sound I’m getting. I want the clean to have much more attack/definition – it’s just muddy right now and the distortion I get is also just a bit to inagressive (I’m playing goth metal, like maybe evanescence). Now I thought, since the amp seems to be used by a lot of those bands just like the LesPaul by Gibson, it’s maybe the pickups Epiphone put in the guitar. Is it possible, that putting in some new pickups might help me? What pickups would you recommend? (if possible I’d like to avoid active ones like the EMG-81, but if there’s no way around – would I even be able to use them in a Les Paul?) Robert

it sounds like you have the jcm900 with the 5881 ubes…am i right?? georgio — spammers suck!!! remover the *no spam* part in my email for reply

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I’m picking up and installing a Dimarzio Super Distortion that will supposedly add & tighten up the bottom end (sounds like a infomercial for women, doesn’t it?) and give it some clarity, especially with my PRS (w/ floating tremolo).  I have a Seymour Duncan JB in the bridge now and the bass is too muddy without definition for me.  The Super Distortion is THE pickup of the 80s and although that may sound outdated to some, there was a reason why the guitar sound with these pickups was enjoyable to the ears. my .02 Chris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have an Epiphone LesPaul Standard and a Marshall JCM900+4×12Marshall Box. But even though it’s a pretty standard setup, I don’t like the sound I’m getting. I want the clean to have much more attack/definition – it’s just muddy right now and the distortion I get is also just a bit to inagressive (I’m playing goth metal, like maybe evanescence). Now I thought, since the amp seems to be used by a lot of those bands just like the LesPaul by Gibson, it’s maybe the pickups Epiphone put in the guitar. Is it possible, that putting in some new pickups might help me? What pickups would you recommend? (if possible I’d like to avoid active ones like the EMG-81, but if there’s no way around – would I even be able to use them in a Les Paul?) Robert

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Hi, I have an Epiphone LesPaul Standard and a Marshall JCM900+4×12Marshall Box. But even though it’s a pretty standard setup, I don’t like the sound I’m getting. I want the clean to have much more attack/definition – it’s just muddy right now and the distortion I get is also just a bit to inagressive (I’m playing goth metal, like maybe evanescence). Now I thought, since the amp seems to be used by a lot of those bands just like the LesPaul by Gibson, it’s maybe the pickups Epiphone put in the guitar. Is it possible, that putting in some new pickups might help me?

It is almost certain that the correct choice of pickups will improve your tone. What pickups would you recommend? (if possible I’d like to avoid active ones like the EMG-81, but if there’s no way around – would I even be able to use them in a Les Paul?) Robert

First of all, why do you want to avoid EMG’s?  They’re an excellent choice for high gain metal, especially if you add active tones.  There’s plenty of room for a battery, and they don’t need battery changes very often (active tones will cut battery life somewhat).  The aren’t difficult to install, and you lose the ground to the strings so no more annoying popping or hum/no hum when you touch the strings. I have a few guitars, including an Epiphone limited edition Slash signature model Classic.  Here’s a pic:  http://www.seattle-attorney.com/slash.jpg  I pulled the decent but not thrilling Epiphone pickups out, and put Seymour Duncan Jazz neck and JB in, along with a custom wiring scheme that gives tones of options with push/pull pots.  I love this setup for blues/classic rock, but it isn’t the best for high gain metal. One of my other guitars is an Epiphone limited edition Korina G-400 (SG).  It came with Gibson designed wax potted humbuckers, which really aren’t bad, but I don’t especially care for *real* Gibson pickpups to begin with and I wanted the SG to be my "metal" guitar.  I chose the "Zakk Wylde setup" (81 bridge, 85 neck).  I liked it fine for metal, but I wanted more versatility.  I then added the EMG SPC and RPC active tones.  Now I *love* the setup.  Here’s a pic, after removing pickguards and swapping knobs: http://www.seattle-attorney.com/G-400.jpg My recommendation for an Epi LP geared towards metal:  EMG 81 bridge; 85 neck; with active tones (SPC with either the RPC or EXG).  This will give you HIGH output at LOW noise.  This is very important for a high gain sound because your amp doesn’t know the difference between guitar signal and noise, it amplifies both.  Start with the EMG’s and you will get a nice, saturated tone WITHOUT excessive noise, even with insane gain levels.  The active tones make a big impact on tone.  The 81 bridge SPC combination really pushes my Marshall JMP 2204 into saturated distortion.  The 85 neck RPC sounds incredible, especially sweet at lower gain levels.  If you are more of the scooped mids type of guy, you could go for the EXG instead of the RPC.  It boosts both the highs and the lows at the same time.  The RPC only boosts the highs.  I opted for the RPC because I thought that the 85 had enough bottom, and I didn’t want it to go muddy. Like you, I think the pickups are probably the weak link in the chain.  But have you tried this guitar with another amp, or another guitar on your amp?  I’m not a huge fan of the JCM900 series, and this could be part of your problem.  There are mods that take out the clipping diodes that might help, but these tend to sound thin and buzzy compared to at 2203/2204 circuit. Then you have tube choice, which makes a big difference if you are using the amp for distortion, and not effects.  I actually prefer GE 6550A over EL34 for metal tones.  If you go with GE 6550A’s be prepared to play LOUD to get power tube distortion.  A lot of metal players like the GE’s over the EL34 outputs because they have more power in the bottom (although some 900 series seem to lack bottom no matter what you do).  There are also a lot of metal players that like the hard to find older silver Chinese preamp tubes.  They are supposed to get you high gain at low noise.  I happen to prefer Mullards, which will get you a creamier mids distortion.  Another good tube is the out of production Ei yugo gray plate, which is a little brighter than the Mullard. You also don’t mention what speakers are in your cab. But the answer is that changing your pickups can go a LONG way towards getting you the tone that you want.  Whether it is enough depends on the rest of your setup…

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Hi, I have an Epiphone LesPaul Standard and a Marshall JCM900+4×12Marshall Box. But even though it’s a pretty standard setup, I don’t like the sound I’m getting. I want the clean to have much more attack/definition – it’s just muddy right now and the distortion I get is also just a bit to inagressive (I’m playing goth metal, like maybe evanescence). Now I thought, since the amp seems to be used by a lot of those bands just like the LesPaul by Gibson, it’s maybe the pickups Epiphone put in the guitar. Is it possible, that putting in some new pickups might help me? What pickups would you recommend? (if possible I’d like to avoid active ones like the EMG-81, but if there’s no way around – would I even be able to use them in a Les Paul?) Robert

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I have an Epiphone LesPaul Standard and a Marshall JCM900+4×12Marshall Box. But even though it’s a pretty standard setup, I don’t like the sound I’m getting. I want the clean to have much more attack/definition – it’s just muddy right now and the distortion I get is also just a bit to inagressive (I’m playing goth metal, like maybe evanescence). Now I thought, since the amp seems to be used by a lot of those bands just like the LesPaul by Gibson, it’s maybe the pickups Epiphone put in the guitar. Is it possible, that putting in some new pickups might help me? What pickups would you recommend? (if possible I’d like to avoid active ones like the EMG-81, but if there’s no way around – would I even be able to use them in a Les Paul?) Robert

seymour duncan used to have on the website a breakdown of the characteristics of his pickups.. since some of these are modeled after classic gibson pickups, you get an idea of what each is like in comparison to each other, as well as classic pickups. I suggest you look for that, and check other manufacturers websites as well. I changed to a ceramic magnet pickup (500T)  in my epiphone sheraton, at the bridge, because the les paul custom pickups I had put in it didn’t quite give me the treble edge and clarity I wanted. Differing magnet strengths and materials affect the tone, of course, and I think you need to just find out what others will be like in comparison to yours. this is one way to get information and I hope you get some personal experience here, too. Twang! — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I am interested in a guitar I’ve seen in a local shop. It has two EMG HZ humbuckers. Can somebody tell me the pros and cons of those kinds of pickups? Are there any websites where I can learn more about pickups? Thanks in advance.

One other poster replied to this thread that he did not like EMG Select pickups. I installed the EMG Select stacked humbuckers (got them from Stew Mac) on my Japanese Strat and I am *quite* pleased with them. I do not find them characterless at all. They have plenty of ballz for distortion and, when using them without distortion, I find the tonal subtlties using the 5 position switch *quite* pleasing. I also have my Strat wired so I can run the neck and bridge together, or all three. All three is kind of muddy, but the neck and bridge give a sound similar to both PU on a Les Paul (or any other 2 humbucker equipped axe). Sweet, IMHO. The out of phase combinations are also useful. If one was looking for a Strat sound in a stacked humbucker, these are *not* the pickups you would want. I play through my old Peavey Bandit 65 as well as a J-station through a Soundblaster Audigy soundcard on my computer and find these pickups provide an excellent signal for processing. And there is *so* much less noise than the original stock Strat PU. There are as many opinions about pickups as there are guitar players who use them. Play the guitar your are looking at through your amp or one like it, and see if you like it. What someone else dislikes, you may find to be just right. The Old Guitar Player

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I am interested in a guitar I’ve seen in a local shop. It has two EMG HZ humbuckers. Can somebody tell me the pros and cons of those kinds of pickups? Are there any websites where I can learn more about pickups? I bought a stacked humbucker by EMG called the "Select", and, frankly, it was the most insipid, boring, caharcrer-lacking pickup I have ever known IMHO.  I can’t comment on their other pickips since I’ve never tried them.

Yeah, those were junk. Nothing like EMGs active pickups. FWIW, I don’t really like EMGs, but there are a couple local guys who swear by them ( Tele and Strat styles), and those guys always sound great. Top notch great. I pick up their guitars, though, and I sound horrible. The pickups aren’t very forgiving of slop and mush and mis-fretted notes…you’ve got to have your picking and fretting really together, and pay attention to each note. I could even see where having them might force you to be a better player, because of the attention you have to lavish on good playing mechanics. Dan

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I actually quite like the tone of the EMG select humbucker shaped pickup (they are all humbuckers) – but only for a neck pickup. It has a very mellow smooth tone, and is totally noiseless. Doesn’t cut it at the bridge though — Making the world a louder place! http://www.stircrazy.org

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in a guitar I’ve seen in a local shop. It has two EMG HZ humbuckers. Can somebody tell me the pros and cons of those kinds of pickups? Are there any websites where I can learn more about pickups? I bought a stacked humbucker by EMG called the "Select", and, frankly, it was the most insipid, boring, caharcrer-lacking pickup I have ever known IMHO.  I can’t comment on their other pickips since I’ve never tried them The "Select" EMG’s are the bottom of the line passive pickups.  Nothing like active EMG’s.

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EMG make a special series of passive high impedance (Hz) for manufacturers such as ESP which are not available as retail items. The Selects are budget passives and a totally different beast from either the Hz or the EMG actives. There’s a lot of pickup info on the US EMG site. www.emginc.com — Clive Norris Selectron (UK) Ltd www.espguitars.co.uk www.espshop.co.uk www.emgpickups.co.uk www.tube-shop.com www.whirlwindusa.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in a guitar I’ve seen in a local shop. It has two EMG HZ humbuckers. Can somebody tell me the pros and cons of those kinds of pickups? Are there any websites where I can learn more about pickups? Thanks in advance.

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I am interested in a guitar I’ve seen in a local shop. It has two EMG HZ humbuckers. Can somebody tell me the pros and cons of those kinds of pickups? Are there any websites where I can learn more about pickups? Thanks in advance.

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I am interested in a guitar I’ve seen in a local shop. It has two EMG HZ humbuckers. Can somebody tell me the pros and cons of those kinds of pickups? Are there any websites where I can learn more about pickups?

Never heard of HZ.  H is a single coil in a humbucker case.   Here’s EMG’s info: http://www.emginc.com/Humbuck.html

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I am interested in a guitar I’ve seen in a local shop. It has two EMG HZ humbuckers. Can somebody tell me the pros and cons of those kinds of pickups? Are there any websites where I can learn more about pickups?

I bought a stacked humbucker by EMG called the "Select", and, frankly, it was the most insipid, boring, caharcrer-lacking pickup I have ever known IMHO.  I can’t comment on their other pickips since I’ve never tried them. Alan

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I am interested in a guitar I’ve seen in a local shop. It has two EMG HZ humbuckers. Can somebody tell me the pros and cons of those kinds of pickups? Are there any websites where I can learn more about pickups? I bought a stacked humbucker by EMG called the "Select", and, frankly, it was the most insipid, boring, caharcrer-lacking pickup I have ever known IMHO.  I can’t comment on their other pickips since I’ve never tried them

The "Select" EMG’s are the bottom of the line passive pickups.  Nothing like active EMG’s.

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Squiggles re: anxiety and heroin

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Squiggles, don’t you think that EVERYONE suffers a bit from anxiety even if they do not have bipolar?  I think that is why so many people use nicotine and alcohol.  They are self-medicating. Regarding the lithium "must be what heroin feels like."  I doubt it.  <G  I don’t see people selling lithium on the streets.  Maybe they should, but they don’t.  I can just see it now…   "Here buddy, I don’t have any heroin today, but you just take this lithium."  He.  He.  Makes me giggle. — Val in Boise

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Squiggles, don’t you think that EVERYONE suffers a bit from anxiety even if they do not have bipolar?  I think that is why so many people use nicotine and alcohol.  They are self-medicating. Regarding the lithium "must be what heroin feels like."  I doubt it.  <G  I don’t see people selling lithium on the streets.  Maybe they should, but they don’t.  I can just see it now…   "Here buddy, I don’t have any heroin today, but you just take this lithium."  He.  He.  Makes me giggle. — Val in Boise

– I tell ya they should!  Many people could benefit from this drug – especially the hyper aggressive Alpha serial killers – it is a great drug.  It does not get you high – true.  I agree about the self-mecicating part – you’re quite right; i think many alcoholics started drinking for some emotional or psychiatric problem. Squiggles

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Oil Is The Semen Of The Devil

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I didn’t write that stuff you damn fool! This guy did: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Christ" Osama Yo Mama….you are funny to read, and so easy ro provoke. Sunken chested and pimply necked  right? Your daddy.

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The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment. Or…. we could simply accept the fact that we were involved in a war. And so could the rest of the world. But, since we are the ‘evil America’ I doubt if this will ever happen. But we ARE evil Amerika. We have been harassing the entire planet. Fine. Then why don’t we just let the rest of the planet go to hell? Period. Why should we offer food, medicine or anything else to anyone outside the United States?

What’s this?! What’s all this stuff Amerika has been offering? Why, it’s not more than everyone else is doing. But something Amerika does do that many don’t is foment terrorism throughout the world. The Arabs, The Russians, Amerika, Israel and China are the main terror sponsors. Amerika is right in the middle of it, there is no excuse for it all. America is evil. So, let’s prove it. LET THE REST OF THE WORLD DIE.

Hehhe. Do you see how deluded Amerika has become. Look at what you wrote there. Shocking, isn’t it? The world cannot survive w/o Amerika. Is that it? Amerika, who created the means to destroy the world with atomic weaponry, this is who is the saviour of the world? No. Amerika creates problems so it can then come in to fix them…for a very heavy price. Our socio-economic system doesn’t even work. And….. you live where? You speak as if you live in the United States. The ‘our’ portion of your sentence indicates this. So, using that as a measuring stick… Why dosen’t it work?

Never ending inflation, a never ending deficit, no social support for the poor, sick and elderly, and one of the higher rates of violent crime in the world. Rather pitiful for the supposed leader of the free world. A leader that actively tries to convert the entire world into its own twisted image. Could it be Unions holding companies hostage to the point where it does make more sense to move out of the country? Could that have anything to do with it? Even a small part of it?

Could it be our leaders selling the country out to terrorists. Or all the white collar crime? Or that the monopolies have full control of the US government and siphon billions of our $$$ for their own private gain? Or that we engage in unwinnable wars for the sake of even more corporate welfare and oil? All this because the one thing they don’t want above all else is for the people to realize just where all these problems are coming from. Right back here at home. Not some fucking cave in Bumfuckstan. Even the Anthrax came from US labs, and so far it seems most likely from a US army colonel! Yes, yes… I know. Unions are our friends. They do nothing but love us and support us. By extortion. Lying, Theft of power of the people of the United States. Right. So, what do you do for a living? Are you using a computer in a public library? Of course, if you aren’t, then apparently ‘our’ socio-ecomonic system is working for someone. And if you are, then the same system is still working for you as a citizen.

I could be paying alot less in taxes. I could be driving over bridges for free, rather than paying $8.00 in tolls a day! I could be paying less for electricity, I could get free medical care, I could get better retirement benefits. Oh the system works. It works about as much as it doesn’t work. To accept what we have right now as "good" is ludicrous. What we have is the bare minimum, it’s a freakin’ disaster! Gee. Life must suck, living in a total void, without human companionship, medical treatment, social help for food, a place to sleep. Or even living without a home or apartment, a bank account, credit cards, dependence on the local goverment to protect you… and don’t say you don’t. You use them during traffic stops, at your local bank, even the 7-11 you go to. They all depend on the cops.

Cops are the least of the problem. What about the fire department? Unless you are living in a shack in Montana, it is likely that in the event of a fire, you would be able to make use of them.

The fire department has nothing on the Pentagone, which stole $2.3 trillion over the last 10 years. In addition to $35 million in credit theft by them. That’s just the Pentagone. Then you’ve got the rest of the government, the military/industrial contractors, and the military itself. Quite a bit of money being stolen. More than entire budgets of many nations. That is the true reason why we look for wars. War is profitable, if you can win it. Actually, even if you lose it. Look at post war Japan, Germany, Italy, Austria. Losing a war to a more powerful enemy, who holds close the same empathy we have for the loser, could actually do America some good. Maybe a nice, benevolent dictator ruling the US from Denver, or even Memphis? His first act could be to remove all the unpatriotic citizens from the nation, making more jobs, homes, and medical care for the rest of us.

That’s what you think. You wouldn’t get a penny of the extra $$$. Oh yes, there would be alot of extra $$$, but you wouldn’t get a penny of it. Taxes would go up again as well. And you’d need a microchip implanted in your ass to have access to you cubicle which you would call home from now on. His second act could be to stop the influx of illegal aliens into the US.

Yes, that should definitely be done. We have plenty of unqualified workers here already. If it wasn’t for all these illegal aliens, we could put all the welfare leeches that are already here to work instead. The only reason the illegal aliens are coming here is because US corporations are giving them jobs. Amerika has gone a step further, it makes even the threat of war profitable. The so-called arms race. The "war on drugs". It’s all to make $$$. Of Course. And if were to simply decide to disregard the so-called international ‘laws’ that defend drug over-lords, and destroy every crop, every center of manufacture, every cartel that exist that imports narcotics into the US, that would solve the problem. And the moment we do, some clown would start spouting off about how the US is simply trying to force our standards on some poor defenseless nation, who is just trying to support it’s people.

No, no. You don’t get it. The war on drugs is unwinnable. Period. There is no point in bothering if what you really intend is to stop drug use. The govt simply makes $$$ off of it, that is the only reason it continues. Irregardless of the fact that most of the same people in the nation they are trying to support are starving, living like animals with very little help from their rulers.

I’ve always thought people should stop trying to come here and deal with the problems in their own countries. The same way I think Amerika needs to stop harassing the rest of the world and deal with its own problems as well. Ever wonder why the Russians and Chinese just happen to get all the latest US tech? Do you think that their spies are THAT good? Guess who’s giving away all the tech secrets? Actually, they aren’t giving them away. Some cowardly, cock-sucking, greedy prick, who thinks more of his wallet then the rest of the nation, including his own family and friends is selling our secrest to anyone who offers enough money.

You mean like Bill Klinton? George Bush? Both have done it. Read up on the Carlyle Group. Tell me if you think the Bin Laden family is a good business partner for Amerika. Ask yourself why the US just gave $95m to North Korea, after all that "axis of evil" talk. If there’s $$$ to be made, some piece of shit politician or corporate scumbag will sell the country out without a second thought. Then you get to go clean up the mess. And you get to pay for the mess. That’s right, the very same people who make the stuff. So they can justify making even more expensive stuff next year. Bull. While I do think you are full of crap,

I’m not full of crap, the cost of living in most states is fucking ridiculous! It should not be this bad. Our government is bullshitting us. It’s using our tax $$$ for corporate welfare, rather than our benefit. The same corporations that turn around and use this $$$ to hire illegal aliens, or to produce their products completely outside the country. You see, with the disposeable quality of Amerika citizens, it’s quite easy for the US to fuck over everyone that currently lives here. There is always new cannon fodder they can bring in. I will admit that if we were to use about half the money we normally use for the military for schools and homeless children and veterans, I think we would be a lot better off; but, that would entail removing all of our troops from foreign nations and allowing them to drop dead.

No, that’s not the main problem. Military contractors get the government to pay 100x than what it needs to. It’s corporate welfare, and it’s really no different from Communism. It’s not a level playing field. Monopolies set the standard, and there is no one who can compete with them for the contracts. They’ve already bought all the politicians they need to get what they want. Just look at Enron. The same thing is going on with many, many more govt-subsidized monopolies. No, it isn’t so we can justify building more stuff…. it is because some clown in Lawrence Livermore Labs wanted a little head on Friday nights, so he sold out his own country.

There were some like that too.

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The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment. Or…. we could simply accept the fact that we were involved in a war. And so could the rest of the world. But, since we are the ‘evil America’ I doubt if this will ever happen. But we ARE evil Amerika. We have been harassing the entire planet.

Fine. Then why don’t we just let the rest of the planet go to hell? Period. Why should we offer food, medicine or anything else to anyone outside the United States? America is evil. So, let’s prove it. LET THE REST OF THE WORLD DIE. Our socio-economic system doesn’t even work.

And….. you live where? You speak as if you live in the United States. The ‘our’ portion of your sentence indicates this. So, using that as a measuring stick… Why dosen’t it work? Could it be Unions holding companies hostage to the point where it does make more sense to move out of the country? Could that have anything to do with it? Even a small part of it? Yes, yes… I know. Unions are our friends. They do nothing but love us and support us. By extortion. Lying, Theft of power of the people of the United States. Right. So, what do you do for a living? Are you using a computer in a public library? Of course, if you aren’t, then apparently ‘our’ socio-ecomonic system is working for someone. And if you are, then the same system is still working for you as a citizen. Gee. Life must suck, living in a total void, without human companionship, medical treatment, social help for food, a place to sleep. Or even living without a home or apartment, a bank account, credit cards, dependence on the local goverment to protect you… and don’t say you don’t. You use them during traffic stops, at your local bank, even the 7-11 you go to. They all depend on the cops. What about the fire department? Unless you are living in a shack in Montana, it is likely that in the event of a fire, you would be able to make use of them. That is the true reason why we look for wars. War is profitable, if you can win it.

Actually, even if you lose it. Look at post war Japan, Germany, Italy, Austria. Losing a war to a more powerful enemy, who holds close the same empathy we have for the loser, could actually do America some good. Maybe a nice, benevolent dictator ruling the US from Denver, or even Memphis? His first act could be to remove all the unpatriotic citizens from the nation, making more jobs, homes, and medical care for the rest of us. His second act could be to stop the influx of illegal aliens into the US. Amerika has gone a step further, it makes even the threat of war profitable. The so-called arms race. The "war on drugs". It’s all to make $$$.

Of Course. And if were to simply decide to disregard the so-called international ‘laws’ that defend drug over-lords, and destroy every crop, every center of manufacture, every cartel that exist that imports narcotics into the US, that would solve the problem. And the moment we do, some clown would start spouting off about how the US is simply trying to force our standards on some poor defenseless nation, who is just trying to support it’s people. Irregardless of the fact that most of the same people in the nation they are trying to support are starving, living like animals with very little help from their rulers. Ever wonder why the Russians and Chinese just happen to get all the latest US tech? Do you think that their spies are THAT good? Guess who’s giving away all the tech secrets?

Actually, they aren’t giving them away. Some cowardly, cock-sucking, greedy prick, who thinks more of his wallet then the rest of the nation, including his own family and friends is selling our secrest to anyone who offers enough money. That’s right, the very same people who make the stuff. So they can justify making even more expensive stuff next year.

Bull. While I do think you are full of crap, I will admit that if we were to use about half the money we normally use for the military for schools and homeless children and veterans, I think we would be a lot better off; but, that would entail removing all of our troops from foreign nations and allowing them to drop dead. No, it isn’t so we can justify building more stuff…. it is because some clown in Lawrence Livermore Labs wanted a little head on Friday nights, so he sold out his own country.

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Osama Yo Mama….you are funny to read, and so easy ro provoke. Sunken chested and pimply necked  right? Your daddy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is so much stupidty in this post the mind boggles. A: There are Taxis in Italy running off water (i.e. steam engines), as we speak. Steam engines do not run on water. The water is heated by a heat source until it is in its gaseous state (steam), and then forced into cylinders where it is converted into kinetic energy by the movement of pistons. The fuel tank in a car would have to be much bigger than a normal car, a minor inconvenience, but the advantage is that the fuel is free. There  is never a free lunch in physics. Learn the laws of the conservation of energy B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam. Steam is not a fuel…it is not combustible. It the gaseous state of water. just as ice is the solid state. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device There is not now and never has been, and never can be. The idea of perpetual motion is counter to all laws of physids (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies) Now, here’s what you do…realize you’re the product of a failed public school education, and before it’s too late, get yourself a good education, even if it means giving up the dope so’s you’re not one. Dennis Mars www.swordofjustice.tv Oil is the semen of the Devil? Well oil can also be used as a lake of fire in which to drown the Devil and that is the purpose of napalm; which as all anti-Capitalists know, is just sugar and petroleum. Oil can also be used to burn the banks and the petrol stations and is the weapon of the proletariat to bring Judgement by Fire to Capitalism’s heart. What goes around comes around. The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment. Whoa…you are fun to read….give us more silliness, such as who is giong to make us "atone" (your mis-use of the word)? Dennis

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And no, none of this is some crazy theory, it’s all FACT. In order to replace all petrol products with hemp products you would have to cut down vast tracks of forest and farmland and dedicate it all to hemp.

What makes you think that vast tracts would be needed? Hemp is  one of the few plants that actually improves the soil. Hemp is the perfect fallow crop. Fuel: Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America’s energy needs. 1 Hemp is Earth’s number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months. 1 Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at a cost comparable to petroleum, and hemp is much better for the environment. Pyrolysis (charcoalizing), or biochemical composting are two methods of turning hemp into fuel.2 Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn. Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution. The use of hemp fuel does not contribute to global warming. Food: Hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. Essential oils are responsible for our immune system responses, and clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.2 The byproduct of pressing the oil from hemp seed is high quality protein seed cake. It can be sprouted (malted) or ground and baked into cakes, breads, and casseroles. Hemp seed protein is one of mankind’s finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins. 2 Hemp seed was the world’s number one wild and domestic bird seed until the 1937 Marijuana prohibition law. Four million pounds of hemp seed for songbirds were sold at retail in the U.S. in 1937. Birds will pick hemp seeds out and eat them first from a pile of mixed seed. Birds in the wild live longer and breed more with hemp seed in their diet, using the oil for the feathers and their overall health. 2 Fiber: Hemp is the oldest cultivated fiber plant in the world. Low-THC fiber hemp varieties developed by the French and others have been available for over 20 years. It is impossible to get high from fiber hemp. Over 600,000 acres of hemp is grown worldwide with no drug misuse problem. One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton. Trees cut down to make paper take 50 to 500 years to grow, while hemp can be cultivated in as little as 100 days and can yield 4 times more paper over a 20 year period. Until 1883, from 75-90% of all paper in the world was made with cannabis hemp fiber including that for books, Bibles, maps, paper money, stocks and bonds, newspapers, etc. 2 Hemp paper is longer lasting than wood pulp, stronger, acid-free, and chlorine free. (Chlorine is estimated to cause up to 10% of all Cancers.) 2 Hemp paper can be recycled 7 times, wood pulp 4 times. If the hemp pulp paper process reported by the USDA in 1916, were legal today it would soon replace 70% of all wood paper products. 2 Rag paper containing hemp fiber is the highest quality and longest lasting paper ever made. It can be torn when wet, but returns to its full strength when dry. Barring extreme conditions, rag paper remains stable for centuries. 2 Hemp particle board may be up to 2 times stronger than wood particleboard and holds nails better. Hemp is softer, warmer, more water absorbent, has three times the tensile strength, and is many times more durable than cotton. Hemp production uses less chemicals than cotton. 2 From 70-90% of all rope, twine, and cordage was made from hemp until 1937. 2 A strong lustrous fiber; hemp withstands heat, mildew, insects, and is not damaged by light. Oil paintings on hemp and/or flax canvas have stayed in fine condition for centuries. 2 Medicine: Deaths from marijuana use: 0 From 1842 through the 1880s, extremely strong marijuana (then known as cannabis extractums), hashish extracts, tinctures, and elixirs were routinely the second and third most-used medicines in America for humans (from birth through old age). These extracts were also used in veterinary medicine until the 1920s and longer. 2 For at least 3,000 years prior to 1842 widely varying marijuana extracts (bud, leaves, roots, etc.) were the most commonly used real medicines in the world for the majority of mankind’s illnesses. 2 The U.S. Pharmacopoeia indicated cannabis should be used for treating such ailments as fatigue, fits of coughing, rheumatism, asthma, delirium tremens, migraine headaches, and the cramps and depressions associated with menstruation. 3 In this century, cannabis research has demonstrated therapeutic value and complete safety in the treatment of many health problems including asthma, glaucoma, nausea, tumors, epilepsy, infection, stress, migraines, anorexia, depression, rheumatism, arthritis, and possibly herpes. 3 Deaths from aspirin (U.S. per year): 180 – 1,000 + Deaths from legal drugs (U.S. per year) at doses used for prevention, diagnosis, or therapy: 106,000 Industry: Almost any product that can be made from wood, cotton, or petroleum (including plastics) can be made from hemp. There are more than 25,000 known uses for hemp. For thousands of years virtually all good paints and varnishes were made with hemp seed oil and/or linseed oil. 2 Hemp stems are 80% hurds (pulp by-product after the hemp fiber is removed from the plant). Hemp hurds are 77% cellulose – a primary chemical feed stock (industrial raw material) used in the production of chemicals, plastics, and fibers. Depending on which U.S. agricultural report is correct, an acre of full grown hemp plants can sustainably provide from four to 50 or even 100 times the cellulose found in cornstalks, kenaf, or sugar cane (the planet’s next highest annual cellulose plants). 2 One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, making hemp a perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board, and concrete construction molds. 2 Heating and compressing plant fibers can create practical, inexpensive, fire-resistant construction materials with excellent thermal and sound-insulating qualities. These strong plant fiber construction materials could replace dry wall and wood paneling. William B. Conde of Conde’s Redwood Lumber, Inc. near Eugene, Oregon, in conjunction with Washington State University (1991-1993), has demonstrated the superior strength, flexibility, and economy of hemp composite building materials compared to wood fiber, even as beams. 2 Isochanvre, a rediscovered French building material made from hemp hurds mixed with lime petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for many centuries. Archeologists have found a bridge in the south of France from the Merovingian period (500-751 A.D.), built with this process. 2 Hemp has been used throughout history for carpet backing. Hemp fiber has potential in the manufacture of strong, rot resistant carpeting – eliminating the poisonous fumes of burning synthetic materials in a house or commercial fire, along with allergic reactions associated with new synthetic carpeting. 2 Plastic plumbing pipe (PVC pipes) can be manufactured using renewable hemp cellulose as the chemical feed stocks, replacing non-renewable coal or petroleum based chemical feed stocks. 2 In 1941 Henry Ford built a plastic car made of fiber from hemp and wheat straw. Hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not.

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Fuel: Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America’s energy needs. 1 Hemp is Earth’s number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months. 1 Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at a cost comparable to petroleum, and hemp is much better for the environment. Pyrolysis (charcoalizing), or biochemical composting are two methods of turning hemp into fuel.2 Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn. Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution. The use of hemp fuel does not contribute to global warming. top   Food: Hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. Essential oils are responsible for our immune system responses, and clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.2 The byproduct of pressing the oil from hemp seed is high quality protein seed cake. It can be sprouted (malted) or ground and baked into cakes, breads, and casseroles. Hemp seed protein is one of mankind’s finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins. 2 Hemp seed was the world’s number one wild and domestic bird seed until the 1937 Marijuana prohibition law. Four million pounds of hemp seed for songbirds were sold at retail in the U.S. in 1937. Birds will pick hemp seeds out and eat them first from a pile of mixed seed. Birds in the wild live longer and breed more with hemp seed in their diet, using the oil for the feathers and their overall health. 2 top   Fiber: Hemp is the oldest cultivated fiber plant in the world. Low-THC fiber hemp varieties developed by the French and others have been available for over 20 years. It is impossible to get high from fiber hemp. Over 600,000 acres of hemp is grown worldwide with no drug misuse problem. One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton. Trees cut down to make paper take 50 to 500 years to grow, while hemp can be cultivated in as little as 100 days and can yield 4 times more paper over a 20 year period. Until 1883, from 75-90% of all paper in the world was made with cannabis hemp fiber including that for books, Bibles, maps, paper money, stocks and bonds, newspapers, etc. 2 Hemp paper is longer lasting than wood pulp, stronger, acid-free, and chlorine free. (Chlorine is estimated to cause up to 10% of all Cancers.) 2 Hemp paper can be recycled 7 times, wood pulp 4 times. If the hemp pulp paper process reported by the USDA in 1916, were legal today it would soon replace 70% of all wood paper products. 2 Rag paper containing hemp fiber is the highest quality and longest lasting paper ever made. It can be torn when wet, but returns to its full strength when dry. Barring extreme conditions, rag paper remains stable for centuries. 2 Hemp particle board may be up to 2 times stronger than wood particleboard and holds nails better. Hemp is softer, warmer, more water absorbent, has three times the tensile strength, and is many times more durable than cotton. Hemp production uses less chemicals than cotton. 2 From 70-90% of all rope, twine, and cordage was made from hemp until 1937. 2 A strong lustrous fiber; hemp withstands heat, mildew, insects, and is not damaged by light. Oil paintings on hemp and/or flax canvas have stayed in fine condition for centuries. 2 top   Medicine: Deaths from marijuana use: 0 From 1842 through the 1880s, extremely strong marijuana (then known as cannabis extractums), hashish extracts, tinctures, and elixirs were routinely the second and third most-used medicines in America for humans (from birth through old age). These extracts were also used in veterinary medicine until the 1920s and longer. 2 For at least 3,000 years prior to 1842 widely varying marijuana extracts (bud, leaves, roots, etc.) were the most commonly used real medicines in the world for the majority of mankind’s illnesses. 2 The U.S. Pharmacopoeia indicated cannabis should be used for treating such ailments as fatigue, fits of coughing, rheumatism, asthma, delirium tremens, migraine headaches, and the cramps and depressions associated with menstruation. 3 In this century, cannabis research has demonstrated therapeutic value and complete safety in the treatment of many health problems including asthma, glaucoma, nausea, tumors, epilepsy, infection, stress, migraines, anorexia, depression, rheumatism, arthritis, and possibly herpes. 3 Deaths from aspirin (U.S. per year): 180 – 1,000 + Deaths from legal drugs (U.S. per year) at doses used for prevention, diagnosis, or therapy: 106,000 top   Industry: Almost any product that can be made from wood, cotton, or petroleum (including plastics) can be made from hemp. There are more than 25,000 known uses for hemp. For thousands of years virtually all good paints and varnishes were made with hemp seed oil and/or linseed oil. 2 Hemp stems are 80% hurds (pulp by-product after the hemp fiber is removed from the plant). Hemp hurds are 77% cellulose – a primary chemical feed stock (industrial raw material) used in the production of chemicals, plastics, and fibers. Depending on which U.S. agricultural report is correct, an acre of full grown hemp plants can sustainably provide from four to 50 or even 100 times the cellulose found in cornstalks, kenaf, or sugar cane (the planet’s next highest annual cellulose plants). 2 One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, making hemp a perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board, and concrete construction molds. 2 Heating and compressing plant fibers can create practical, inexpensive, fire-resistant construction materials with excellent thermal and sound-insulating qualities. These strong plant fiber construction materials could replace dry wall and wood paneling. William B. Conde of Conde’s Redwood Lumber, Inc. near Eugene, Oregon, in conjunction with Washington State University (1991-1993), has demonstrated the superior strength, flexibility, and economy of hemp composite building materials compared to wood fiber, even as beams. 2 Isochanvre, a rediscovered French building material made from hemp hurds mixed with lime petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for many centuries. Archeologists have found a bridge in the south of France from the Merovingian period (500-751 A.D.), built with this process. 2 Hemp has been used throughout history for carpet backing. Hemp fiber has potential in the manufacture of strong, rot resistant carpeting – eliminating the poisonous fumes of burning synthetic materials in a house or commercial fire, along with allergic reactions associated with new synthetic carpeting. 2 Plastic plumbing pipe (PVC pipes) can be manufactured using renewable hemp cellulose as the chemical feed stocks, replacing non-renewable coal or petroleum based chemical feed stocks. 2 In 1941 Henry Ford built a plastic car made of fiber from hemp and wheat straw. Hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not.

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The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment. Or…. we could simply accept the fact that we were involved in a war. And so could the rest of the world. But, since we are the ‘evil America’ I doubt if this will ever happen.

But we ARE evil Amerika. We have been harassing the entire planet. Our socio-economic system doesn’t even work. That is the true reason why we look for wars. War is profitable, if you can win it. Amerika has gone a step further, it makes even the threat of war profitable. The so-called arms race. The "war on drugs". It’s all to make $$$. Ever wonder why the Russians and Chinese just happen to get all the latest US tech? Do you think that their spies are THAT good? Guess who’s giving away all the tech secrets? That’s right, the very same people who make the stuff. So they can justify making even more expensive stuff next year.

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A: There are Taxis in Italy running off water (i.e. steam engines), as we speak. The fuel tank in a car would have to be much bigger than a normal car, a minor inconvenience, but the advantage is that the fuel is free.

No need for that. There are much easier ways. Go look up what the Leopard 2 battle tank runs on. A nice multi-fuel diesel engine. I guess they wanted to make sure they wouldn’t run out of gas next time they invade Russia. They could now just use all the vodka to fuel their tanks. That’s just one example. Even natural gas is possible. But really, easiest of all is alcohol, or diesel made from hemp. And to think…they’re coming up with hydrogen fuel cells and other COMPLICATED, HIGH TECH nonsense to make $$$ from. You see, they want to control the energy sources. If they didn’t, who would ever listen to them? B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam.

True. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies)

I dunno about the perpetual motion machine. :^) No comment. Although, there WILL be one eventually…something to do with the interaction between space and time. Mars www.swordofjustice.tv Oil is the semen of the Devil? Well oil can also be used as a lake of fire in which to drown the Devil and that is the purpose of napalm; which as all anti-Capitalists know, is just sugar and petroleum.

The devil seed is petroleum. It is from this that the devil has given birth to the means to gain ultimate control of all mankind. Oil has made possible the enslavement of the Earth. It is because some members of mankind looked for the easy way, and did not consider the consequences. And it is because they wanted power and wealth. Science is not evil, but what we use it for can often be. Scientists are not evil. But those that take the knowledge gained and exploit it, regardless of better judgement, are in fact committing murder on a global scale. Murder of ALL of us. These are the only truly evil people on Earth. The ones who knowingly commit these crimes. Oil can also be used to burn the banks and the petrol stations and is the weapon of the proletariat to bring Judgement by Fire to Capitalism’s heart. What goes around comes around.

It will. But we will all suffer if it happens that way. I guess there isn’t really a choice. The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment.

True.

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And no, none of this is some crazy theory, it’s all FACT. Actually, you are quite wrong…but that’s usual for someone of your apparent educational and probable intelligence level. Plastic is plastic is plastic is chemically impossible. Certain sources are needed for certain plastic properties. You simply cannot make everything from one thing.

Wait a minute, you just made a judgement on my intelligence, and turned around and spewed this nonsense? Do you realize you sound like a high school student? I dunno, maybe you are a high school student? First year chemistry, is that it? As for fuel, there simply isn’t enough BTU’s in ethanol to provide the power needed to tranport anything; that’s why it’s still blended with gasoline.

Nice bit of urban legend, isn’t it? Now how about doing some research before making a complete fool out of yourself in front of all of Usenet. Here you go, something easy to read, I wouldn’t want you to strain yourself: http://www.energy.ca.gov/education/AFVs/alcohols.html Now, here’s what you do…realize you’re the product of a failed public school education, and before it’s too late, get yourself a good education, even if it means giving up the dope so’s you’re not one.

If you’re an example of private school, or whatever it is that filled your head full of shit, your teachers (aka brainwashers) need to be strung up by the testicles (or suitably equal sensitive parts) and flogged. Now go back to sucking Satan’s cock, you petroleum-loving maggot.

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All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers! See, I didn’t know your family was dealing in oil.

I didn’t know that either.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is so much stupidty in this post the mind boggles. A: There are Taxis in Italy running off water (i.e. steam engines), as we speak. Steam engines do not run on water. The water is heated by a heat source until it is in its gaseous state (steam), and then forced into cylinders where it is converted into kinetic energy by the movement of pistons. The fuel tank in a car would have to be much bigger than a normal car, a minor inconvenience, but the advantage is that the fuel is free. There  is never a free lunch in physics. Learn the laws of the conservation of energy B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam. Steam is not a fuel…it is not combustible. It the gaseous state of water. just as ice is the solid state. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device There is not now and never has been, and never can be. The idea of perpetual motion is counter to all laws of physids (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies) Now, here’s what you do…realize you’re the product of a failed public school education, and before it’s too late, get yourself a good education, even if it means giving up the dope so’s you’re not one. Dennis Mars www.swordofjustice.tv Oil is the semen of the Devil? Well oil can also be used as a lake of fire in which to drown the Devil and that is the purpose of napalm; which as all anti-Capitalists know, is just sugar and petroleum. Oil can also be used to burn the banks and the petrol stations and is the weapon of the proletariat to bring Judgement by Fire to Capitalism’s heart. What goes around comes around. The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment.

Whoa…you are fun to read….give us more silliness, such as who is giong to make us "atone" (your mis-use of the word)? Dennis

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There is so much stupidty in this post the mind boggles.   A: There are Taxis in Italy running off water (i.e. steam engines), as we speak.

Steam engines do not run on water. The water is heated by a heat source until it is in its gaseous state (steam), and then forced into cylinders where it is converted into kinetic energy by the movement of pistons. The fuel tank in a car would have to be much bigger than a normal car, a minor inconvenience, but the advantage is that the fuel is free. There  is never a free lunch in physics. Learn the laws of the conservation of energy B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam.

Steam is not a fuel…it is not combustible. It the gaseous state of water, just as ice is the solid state. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device

There is not now and never has been, and never can be. The idea of perpetual motion is counter to all laws of physids  (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies) Now, here’s what you do…realize you’re the product of a failed public school education, and before it’s too late, get yourself a good education, even if it means giving up the dope so you’re not one. Dennis Mars www.swordofjustice.tv Oil is the semen of the Devil? Well oil can also be used as a lake of fire in which to drown the Devil and that is the purpose of napalm; which as all anti-Capitalists know, is just sugar and petroleum. Oil can also be used to burn the banks and the petrol stations and is the weapon of the proletariat to bring Judgement by Fire to Capitalism’s heart. What goes around comes around. The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers! Is that so?  How do you get your groceries home from the store? How do you move your funiture around? Where do the plastic commponants for your computer come from? All this could be made from hemp. You are going to bring home groceries with hemp? You don’t get it, do you? PLASTIC CAN BE MADE FROM HEMP. You can also make soy-bean like food products from it, so not only will you bring home your groceries with it, you can eat it too. you are going to haul a couch across the state with hemp? That’s right. In my hemp fiber body car, running on ethanol made from hemp, wearing my hemp clothes, and smoking a big fat joint (not hemp, since hemp doesn’t get you high). And no, none of this is some crazy theory, it’s all FACT. In order to replace all petrol products with hemp products you would have to cut down vast tracks of forest and farmland and dedicate it all to hemp.

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B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies) No, there’s not.  Laws of physics prevent a device from having 100% efficiency…actually, because of friction, air resistance, etc., no device can have 100% efficiency either.

Well actually I heard matter/anti-matter annihilation comes pretty darn close (still off by a few percentage points), but then again that would require you to blow up most of the planet in the process…so that’s out of the question.  ;) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Kurt Weber ROW Software and Web Design http://www.rowsw.com

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There is so much stupidty in this post the mind boggles.   A: There are Taxis in Italy running off water (i.e. steam engines), as we speak.

Steam engines do not run on water. The water is heated by a heat source until it is in its gaseous state (steam), and then forced into cylinders where it is converted into kinetic energy by the movement of pistons. The fuel tank in a car would have to be much bigger than a normal car, a minor inconvenience, but the advantage is that the fuel is free. There  is never a free lunch in physics. Learn the laws of the conservation of energy B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam.

Steam is not a fuel…it is not combustible. It the gaseous state of water. just as ice is the solid state. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device

There is not now and never has been, and never can be. The idea of perpetual motion is counter to all laws of physids  (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies) Now, here’s what you do…realize you’re the product of a failed public school education, and before it’s too late, get yourself a good education, even if it means giving up the dope so’s you’re not one. Dennis – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mars www.swordofjustice.tv Oil is the semen of the Devil? Well oil can also be used as a lake of fire in which to drown the Devil and that is the purpose of napalm; which as all anti-Capitalists know, is just sugar and petroleum. Oil can also be used to burn the banks and the petrol stations and is the weapon of the proletariat to bring Judgement by Fire to Capitalism’s heart. What goes around comes around. The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment.

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A: There are Taxis in Italy running off water (i.e. steam engines), as we speak. The fuel tank in a car would have to be much bigger than a normal car, a minor inconvenience, but the advantage is that the fuel is free.

Care to prove it? B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies)

No, there’s not.  Laws of physics prevent a device from having 100% efficiency…actually, because of friction, air resistance, etc., no device can have 100% efficiency either. — Kurt Weber ROW Software and Web Design http://www.rowsw.com

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A: There are Taxis in Italy running off water (i.e. steam engines), as we speak. The fuel tank in a car would have to be much bigger than a normal car, a minor inconvenience, but the advantage is that the fuel is free.

Yes. This is a great idea. I support this completely. I would be happy to drive a steam car. B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam.

Several. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies)

I have heard of this. I don’t know if it is an ‘urban legend’or not, but I seem to have read about it somewhere. And to be honest, if the inventor cared about something other then money, he would blow off the idea of a patent, and publish the blueprints and information on the WWW. If he did this, he would never go hungry or do without. He could live quite nicely on what he would get as a ‘hero’ to the human race. He would certainly go down in history. But, it all comes down to how much money we can get, dosen’t it? The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment.

Or…. we could simply accept the fact that we were involved in a war. And so could the rest of the world. But, since we are the ‘evil America’ I doubt if this will ever happen. JL

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A: There are Taxis in Italy running off water (i.e. steam engines), as we speak. The fuel tank in a car would have to be much bigger than a normal car, a minor inconvenience, but the advantage is that the fuel is free. B: There are other fuels that are as harmless to the environment as steam. C: Electricity: there is such a thing as a perpetual motion device (i.e. it puts out more electricity than it takes in to operate it, so most of the electricity it produces is used to run itself, and it produces a surplus,) but the American inventor has been refused a ‘patent,’ allegedly since this would affect the share prices of oil, and energy companies) Mars www.swordofjustice.tv Oil is the semen of the Devil? Well oil can also be used as a lake of fire in which to drown the Devil and that is the purpose of napalm; which as all anti-Capitalists know, is just sugar and petroleum. Oil can also be used to burn the banks and the petrol stations and is the weapon of the proletariat to bring Judgement by Fire to Capitalism’s heart. What goes around comes around. The napalming of the Vietnamese has to be attoned for. America can chose repentance or punishment.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers! Is that so?  How do you get your groceries home from the store? How do you move your funiture around? Where do the plastic commponants for your computer come from? All this could be made from hemp. You are going to bring home groceries with hemp? You don’t get it, do you? PLASTIC CAN BE MADE FROM HEMP. You can also make soy-bean like food products from it, so not only will you bring home your groceries with it, you can eat it too. you are going to haul a couch across the state with hemp? That’s right. In my hemp fiber body car, running on ethanol made from hemp, wearing my hemp clothes, and smoking a big fat joint (not hemp, since hemp doesn’t get you high). And no, none of this is some crazy theory, it’s all FACT.

In order to replace all petrol products with hemp products you would have to cut down vast tracks of forest and farmland and dedicate it all to hemp.

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All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers! Is that so?  How do you get your groceries home from the store? How do you move your funiture around? Where do the plastic commponants for your computer come from? All this could be made from hemp. You are going to bring home groceries with hemp?

You don’t get it, do you? PLASTIC CAN BE MADE FROM HEMP. You can also make soy-bean like food products from it, so not only will you bring home your groceries with it, you can eat it too. you are going to haul a couch across the state with hemp?

That’s right. In my hemp fiber body car, running on ethanol made from hemp, wearing my hemp clothes, and smoking a big fat joint (not hemp, since hemp doesn’t get you high). And no, none of this is some crazy theory, it’s all FACT.

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All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!

See, I didn’t know your family was dealing in oil.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers! Is that so?  How do you get your groceries home from the store? How do you move your funiture around? Where do the plastic commponants for your computer come from? All this could be made from hemp. You are going to bring home groceries with hemp? You don’t get it, do you? PLASTIC CAN BE MADE FROM HEMP. You can also make soy-bean like food products from it, so not only will you bring home your groceries with it, you can eat it too. you are going to haul a couch across the state with hemp? That’s right. In my hemp fiber body car, running on ethanol made from hemp, wearing my hemp clothes, and smoking a big fat joint (not hemp, since hemp doesn’t get you high). And no, none of this is some crazy theory, it’s all FACT.

Actually, you are quite wrong…but that’s usual for someone of your apparent educational and probable intelligence level. Plastic is plastic is plastic is chemically impossible. Certain sources are needed for certain plastic properties. You simply cannot make everything from one thing. As for fuel, there simply isn’t enough BTU’s in ethanol to provide the power needed to tranport anything; that’s why it’s still blended with gasoline. Now, here’s what you do…realize you’re the product of a failed public school education, and before it’s too late, get yourself a good education, even if it means giving up the dope so’s you’re not one. Dennis

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All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!

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All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers!

Is that so?  How do you get your groceries home from the store? How do you move your funiture around? Where do the plastic commponants for your computer come from?

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All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers! Is that so?  How do you get your groceries home from the store? How do you move your funiture around? Where do the plastic commponants for your computer come from?

All this could be made from hemp.

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All those dealing in oil are cocksuckers! Is that so?  How do you get your groceries home from the store? How do you move your funiture around? Where do the plastic commponants for your computer come from? All this could be made from hemp.

You are going to bring home groceries with hemp? you are going to haul a couch across the state with hemp?

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Please understand that Jack is a troll, likely a juvenile troll, and is just here for the effect (read: nothing better to do, & infantile).

   Excuse me?   Shows how much you know. Go away if you    can’t play nice.

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If a person wishes to communicate in a particular language, that person should have a sufficient command of that language so that he or she will be comprehensible to others who use that language.

Which doesn’t necessarily mean that proper spelling and grammar matter.  If you can’t comprehend what someone typed because of misspellings and grammatical errors, your own intelligence needs to be reevaluated.

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Which doesn’t necessarily mean that proper spelling and grammar matter.  If you can’t comprehend what someone typed because of misspellings and grammatical errors, your own intelligence needs to be reevaluated,

and you need to stay away from medical doctors.

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I think we should all grow thicker skins and not hyperventilate over each and every post in which we think someone else is being a meanyhead. <snip

I guess you’re right. I shouldn’t have judged so quickly. It’s just that when you first become part of a group, you usually expect the subjects to be about the subject of the group. You know, in rec.pets.dogs, you’d expect to find treads and such about dogs instead of a spelling bee. In rec.pets.herp, about reptiles, etc. No hard feelings towards anybody. I am glad to be part of the group. :^) Bentley

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I am new to this group and am disappointed in the first couple of treads that I have come across. I am wondering if this group’s name should be rec.pets.birds&grammarlessons. From ‘Stupid People I, II, etc’ to this.

I think we should all grow thicker skins and not hyperventilate over each and every post in which we think someone else is being a meanyhead.  I cut my Usenet teeth on a group more demanding of thoughtful and correct writing than RPB will ever be.  Rather than cry and moan over how cruel everyone was, I simply upped my standards of writing to (hopefully) those of the group.  Rather than feel put out, I consider it a valuable learning experience.  I would also like to point out here that you cannot accurately judge the overall culture of a newsgroup based on a few days’ or weeks’ worth of experience. On Usenet, you are judged entirely on how your present yourself in your writing.  If you don’t take the time to reflect on your writing and present yourself in an intelligent manner, than don’t expect others to treat you in an intelligent way.  The people that were flamed were not being flamed because they can’t spell, or because they are nonnative speakers of English, but because their writing was ignorant, as were the opnions expressed. If you really want to see nastiness in a newsgroup, I will be more than happy to start educating people in the wonderful ways of quoting correctly.         -J. — Jennifer Mullen                                          !psu.edu!redjen "I guess it’s that old wives’ tale that redheads do everything with vim and vigor and a hint of overkill."  –Captain Oblivion

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Hi to all – I am new to this group and am disappointed in the first couple of treads that I have come across. I am wondering if this group’s name should be rec.pets.birds&grammarlessons. From ‘Stupid People I, II, etc’ to this. I think that we should accept a couple of typos in a subject. In ‘my bird is dead. . .’ that subject was terribly hard to read. My guess is that the author was: 1) a kid 2) a person who wasn’t that good at English 3) a person making up something and using bad grammar. (Hey, I really doubt a cockatiel that could fly could get killed by a rat. Also, if this owner owned a tiel, the majority of to be cockatiel owners read books and stuff about the care and needs of the bird. When reading these books and  stuff, that person should know that ‘cocteil’ is spelled cockatiel just by seeing it over and over.) I’m not trying to cause ill feelings towards me. I’m just giving my opinion, so don’t say that I’m being mean and nasty. I’m kinda glad to be part of this group in the good things, other things don’t really belong in a bird group. Posts about parrots not able to pronounciate english and write it is one thing (meant to be a joke, but has some truth to it,) posts about people is another. Peace, Pumpkin

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If a person wishes to communicate in a particular language, that person should have a sufficient command of that language so that he or she will be comprehensible to others who use that language.

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<One thing some people do not understand is that not all people who post are <from the US. To expect perfect posts from everyone is arrogant. In addition, <some people are a whiz at math, and are crappy at writing. <Who cares?   Who’s talking about perfect?  I’ve been around Usenet a long time and I’ve never seen a non-native English speaker get crap for imperfect English.  In fact, I’ve never ever even once in my life seen anyone demand perfect English on Usenet.

The only non-English speakers I’ve seen get crap for their English *anywhere*, Usenet or "real life", are those that can’t or won’t take the time to express themselves intelligently in ANY language. If you can’t take the time to read over your posts, QUOTE CORRECTLY, and express yourself clearly, than I see absolutely no need to waste my time reading and responding to it.         -J. — Jennifer Mullen                                          !psu.edu!redjen "I guess it’s that old wives’ tale that redheads do everything with vim and vigor and a hint of overkill."  –Captain Oblivion

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – < BTW, I like birds. < <Copyright violation I am calling the Usenet cops and you will be punished! < <Bob W-"I like birds" is my line twill always be MY line and don’t you silly <people ever forget it! < And that’s obvious from Debbie’s lead-in: "BTW, I like birds."  BTW. What could that be other than "Bob ‘The’ Wheeler"? Yeah, he’s got you, Debbie. Vicki — Family and Divorce Mediation Resources http://xcski.com/~mediator/ —

 I am now awaiting the arrival of the Usenet cops.They will have to get by my killer cockatoo first, though. — Debbie, Dusty(CAG) and Casperella(U2)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — We have a couple of web sites, check them out have fun, http://www.onemorebird.com/ http://home.pacifier.com/~rivercst/index.html I agree that this newsgroup is for bird-lovers, not grammar experts or spelling bee finalists. Please understand that Jack is a troll, likely a juvenile troll, and is just here for the effect (read: nothing better to do, & infantile).  When people can’t find positive attention, they go for the desperate and will beg to be noticed no matter what the form of attention. Let’s keep this a good place for the real bird-lovers and ignore the trolls, particularly the juvenile trolls. Remember:  Even the BEST bird cages have crap in them <grin. Cheers! :0) ~Donna~ From beautiful New England Jack a troll? Not hardly. Use your kill file if you find certain posters’ comments to be offensive to you. BTW, I like birds. — Debbie, Dusty(CAG) and Casperella(U2) Copyright violation I am calling the Usenet cops and you will be punished! Bob W-"I like birds" is my line twill always be MY line and don’t you silly people ever forget it!

My apologies. A slight mental lapse due to turkey overload and too much company.:P — Debbie, Dusty(CAG) and Casperella(U2)

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<One thing some people do not understand is that not all people who post are <from the US. To expect perfect posts from everyone is arrogant. In addition, <some people are a whiz at math, and are crappy at writing. <Who cares?   Who’s talking about perfect?  I’ve been around Usenet a long time and I’ve never seen a non-native English speaker get crap for imperfect English.  In fact, I’ve never ever even once in my life seen anyone demand perfect English on Usenet. < <In addition, even though most of us can write and understand English, the less <than perfect people in the world will, on occasion, make typos. Normally not a <huge deal, but for some reason it is here. < No one gets all hinky about typos, or even occasional misspellings. It’s the willful run-on sentences, lacking punctuation or capitalization that bug me, personally.  Some folks seem to think it stylish or original when all it really is, is difficult to parse.  Other people have other bugbears. And spellcheckers are easy.  If you can’t spell, your computer can. It doesn’t help the there/their/they’re problems, but it can clear up a lot of confusion. <If it were just about people posting hard to understand posts, it would be one <thing. <It is nit-picking a post to death instead of addressing the concern that is <annoying. < Well, I don’t nit-pick.  Maybe other folks do.  But really, do you think it’s necessary to start a whole new thread to complain about all the mean people here?  If people are supposed to ignore poor English, then maybe the poor writers could also ignore the criticisms. Vicki — Family and Divorce Mediation Resources http://xcski.com/~mediator/ —

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< BTW, I like birds. < <Copyright violation I am calling the Usenet cops and you will be punished! < <Bob W-"I like birds" is my line twill always be MY line and don’t you silly <people ever forget it! < And that’s obvious from Debbie’s lead-in: "BTW, I like birds."  BTW. What could that be other than "Bob ‘The’ Wheeler"? Yeah, he’s got you, Debbie. Vicki — Family and Divorce Mediation Resources http://xcski.com/~mediator/ —

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One thing some people do not understand is that not all people who post are from the US. To expect perfect posts from everyone is arrogant. In addition, some people are a whiz at math, and are crappy at writing. Who cares?   In addition, even though most of us can write and understand English, the less than perfect people in the world will, on occasion, make typos. Normally not a huge deal, but for some reason it is here. If it were just about people posting hard to understand posts, it would be one thing. It is nit-picking a post to death instead of addressing the concern that is annoying. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ll never understand why anyone would choose to post in a way that makes their message difficult to understand.  When I post, I want people to understand what I’m saying, and using punctuation and capitals and all of those good things like Miss McConnell taught you in third grade really does help.

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– We have a couple of web sites, check them out have fun, http://www.onemorebird.com/ http://home.pacifier.com/~rivercst/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree that this newsgroup is for bird-lovers, not grammar experts or spelling bee finalists. Please understand that Jack is a troll, likely a juvenile troll, and is just here for the effect (read: nothing better to do, & infantile).  When people can’t find positive attention, they go for the desperate and will beg to be noticed no matter what the form of attention. Let’s keep this a good place for the real bird-lovers and ignore the trolls, particularly the juvenile trolls. Remember:  Even the BEST bird cages have crap in them <grin. Cheers! :0) ~Donna~ From beautiful New England Jack a troll? Not hardly. Use your kill file if you find certain posters’ comments to be offensive to you. BTW, I like birds. — Debbie, Dusty(CAG) and Casperella(U2)

Copyright violation I am calling the Usenet cops and you will be punished! Bob W-"I like birds" is my line twill always be MY line and don’t you silly people ever forget it! — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Many of the people on this newsgroup (not all) are seriously hungup on spelling and grammar within the message post… Hi Fig!    You are right of course, but stick with the group…..most of people "seriously hungup" are the most experienced and the most helpful.

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<I agree that this newsgroup is for bird-lovers, not grammar experts or spelling <bee finalists. < <Please understand that Jack is a troll, likely a juvenile troll, and is just <here for the effect (read: nothing better to do, & infantile).   Oh, please.  Someone starts a new (off-topic) thread on a bird newsgroup, just to complain that some of us are big old meanyheads who actually believe that well-written, accurately-spelled English enhances readability and communication.  Jack characterizes the post as a whine, which it most *certainly* is, having nothing whatsoever to do with the care and nurture of birds.  You call him a troll? Geez, you youngsters don’t know anything about Usenet, about trolls or trolling, or about the regulars in this newsgroup.  It’s very sad. Here’s a hint: not everyone who disagrees with you is trolling. I’ll never understand why anyone would choose to post in a way that makes their message difficult to understand.  When I post, I want people to understand what I’m saying, and using punctuation and capitals and all of those good things like Miss McConnell taught you in third grade really does help. Vicki — Family and Divorce Mediation Resources http://xcski.com/~mediator/ —

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So cheeit fig, talk about birds and stop whining about the other silly stuff. Bob W — We have a couple of web sites, check them out have fun, http://www.onemorebird.com/ http://home.pacifier.com/~rivercst/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just started coming to this newsgroup…why??, because I love birds.  I thought that by coming here I would meet other people with this common interest. I was wrong!! Many of the people on this newsgroup (not all) are seriously hungup on spelling and grammar within the message post and not the real contents of the post itself. I find this extremely unfortunate!  I want to talk about birds not grammar. Couldn’t those people who are compelled to criticize others spelling and grammar start another newsgroup for their common interest, like ‘Spelling and Grammar’ and leave the bird lovers to discuss birds.  Imagine, there may actually be birds lovers who can’t spell properly…what a sin. Please just leave us alone!

— Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree that this newsgroup is for bird-lovers, not grammar experts or spelling bee finalists. Please understand that Jack is a troll, likely a juvenile troll, and is just here for the effect (read: nothing better to do, & infantile).  When people can’t find positive attention, they go for the desperate and will beg to be noticed no matter what the form of attention. Let’s keep this a good place for the real bird-lovers and ignore the trolls, particularly the juvenile trolls. Remember:  Even the BEST bird cages have crap in them <grin. Cheers! :0) ~Donna~ From beautiful New England

Jack a troll? Not hardly. Use your kill file if you find certain posters’ comments to be offensive to you. BTW, I like birds. — Debbie, Dusty(CAG) and Casperella(U2)

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Jack do you go through life so negative?  Or are you just compelled to be negative to people that you can’t see. Is it easier to pick on them? Not everyone here is out to pick a fight. If you hang around a little bit you will find that there’s a nice bunch of bird people here. And not all of us can spell or use punctuation correctly!  And some of us also use a web tv…..But we still love our birds. Lisa ~If your ship doesn’t come in, Swim out to it~

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LOL, I’m not to sure about that. He’s been here for quite a long time. He can be quite abrasive, but He offers a lot of help too. If anyone bothers you, and your using a PC learn to use a filter. Whining about how "mean" someone is will get you no where. Filter his posts if they bother you and you never have to read them. I think anyone with the exception of people using Webtv have this ability, so learn to use it, and all will be fine. — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree that this newsgroup is for bird-lovers, not grammar experts or spelling bee finalists. Please understand that Jack is a troll, likely a juvenile troll, and is just here for the effect (read: nothing better to do, & infantile).  When people can’t find positive attention, they go for the desperate and will beg to be noticed no matter what the form of attention. Let’s keep this a good place for the real bird-lovers and ignore the trolls, particularly the juvenile trolls. Remember:  Even the BEST bird cages have crap in them <grin. Cheers! :0) ~Donna~ From beautiful New England

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I just started coming to this newsgroup…why??, because I love birds.  I thought that by coming here I would meet other people with this common interest. I was wrong!! Many of the people on this newsgroup (not all) are seriously hungup on spelling and grammar within the message post and not the real contents of the post itself. I find this extremely unfortunate!  I want to talk about birds not grammar. Couldn’t those people who are compelled to criticize others spelling and grammar start another newsgroup for their common interest, like ‘Spelling and Grammar’ and leave the bird lovers to discuss birds.  Imagine, there may actually be birds lovers who can’t spell properly…what a sin. Please just leave us alone!

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I agree that this newsgroup is for bird-lovers, not grammar experts or spelling bee finalists. Please understand that Jack is a troll, likely a juvenile troll, and is just here for the effect (read: nothing better to do, & infantile).  When people can’t find positive attention, they go for the desperate and will beg to be noticed no matter what the form of attention. Let’s keep this a good place for the real bird-lovers and ignore the trolls, particularly the juvenile trolls. Remember:  Even the BEST bird cages have crap in them <grin. Cheers! :0) ~Donna~ From beautiful New England

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The only persons afraid of Ed are the ones who have tried to abuse this group!  To the rest of he is sort of like an Andy Rooney – a crusty curmudgeon who is usually somewhere near the right track!

Hah! And to think I used to be considered benevolently "avuncular". I must be getting jaded. Dunno when I started taking my role too seriously, but I hear Rooney isn’t as funny as he used to be, either. Still, I’m honored. http://www.chickenhead.com/features/rooney/ http://www.learner.org/collections/multimedia/writing/nwseries/interv… — Ed "somewhere near the third rail, lately" AndyRooneyson

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You have been misinformed.

Anyone who comes across a post from Ed Anderson will find themselves horribly misinformed.  Do not be sucked into his manipulation and authoritative persona.  It is ALL LIES.  He is just a highly paid street corner THUG.  He uses psoriasis newsgroups as a soapbox to generate income for the NPF.  He carries a bat in one hand and a tin cup in the other to collect

Make it stop (sp for ideations)

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you express what i feel.  sitting on computer all day not doing what i have to, will do now and stay up all night and not be able to go to work

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I just want this shit to stop, but it’s not going to until I do, is it?

I hear you! I often feel the same way, but I believe this is the depression talking. It will stop, you just have to hold on until then. And do everything you can to help yourself (which is sometimes just sitting tight until the ideation passes, I know). Lousy day.  Aside from swinging dead branches into live trees as hard as I could this afternoon.  I’m so sad right now, so agitated…  I want to be gone, I want to sit out side and freeze, I want to punish myself into nonexistence.  I want to cry, I want to hit things, I want to give up.

You do NOT deserve this kind of punishment, no one does! Go ahead and cry and hit things if it will help you. Pillows are great for taking a beating this way. I’m not going to tell you to "not give up." Go ahead, give up for tonight — take a rest from the struggle and the fight. Read a book, surf the ‘net, go to sleep, whatever. In the morning you’ll have the strength to carry on, and even if you don’t know that it will come to you. Just don’t do anything to hurt yourself. I’ve given up lots of times. I’ve even told my pdoc/therp that I’ve given up and it’s all up to him, that I’m staying alive only because it would break my promise to him if I hurt myself and I don’t have the energy or ability to do it right anyway. I’d probably just screw that up to. And I’ve found that after awhile, the intensity fades and I do have the strength to not give up after all. And I carry on. <snip and inside, the mocking will continue while I continue to chastise myself for having amounted to nothing, for not having made any dreams come true, and for the stupidity involved in having dreams in the first place.

This vision does not have to happen. It’s not even likely to happen. And it’s not stupid to have dreams; it’s human. You make progress toward making those dreams come true every day, every moment, you don’t hurt yourself! Don’t chastise yourself for what you haven’t done, no one can come out well in that game. Instead, try to congratulate yourself on resisting the "voices" of the depression and staying alive. <snip I have an appointment at 11 tomorrow morning, yeah I’ll hang on til then.  Of course i’ll hang on i’m a goddamn chickenshit.  I’ll hibernate.  Get stoned and hibernate.  "captain jack will get you high tonight"

I’m not sure getting stoned is really going to help your depression in the long term, but if that’s what it takes to get you alive to your appointment tomorrow morning then so be it. why do i have to disappoint people so much?  why do i pisse them off?  why is that one day i hear "i’;ll be your frined no matter what" and the next the same person is pissed off at me, giving me the silent treatment?  what is so fundamentally wrong with me?  it has to be something fundamental, doesn’t it, when everything gets so screwed up?

Nothing fundamental is wrong with you, that’s the depression talking again. Some people don’t know how to be around someone who’s depressed, or they’re dealing with their own stuff to intensely to be able to give much support. This is not a reflection on you at all! I often feel that something must be fundamentally wrong with me. But that’s the depression and the ideation talking. Depression doesn’t happen because we’re "bad" people, or disappointments, or any of the rest of that. As my pdoc/therp often tells me, "Sometimes, shit just happens." Fiona who knows this is easier to say than do — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, properity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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